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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, November 24, 2020

John K. Delaney: It is clear that soon multiple covid-19 vaccines will be ready for distribution. Now comes the hard work of vaccine distribution, and most important, ensuring that Americans get vaccinated. The solution is simple: Pay people to take a covid vaccine. To that end, the federal government should pay every American $1,500 to get vaccinated. Send proof of vaccination, receive a $1,500 check or money via direct deposit.

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The vaccines are likely to arrive at the same moment Washington is, belatedly, taking up much-needed stimulus legislation. The timing couldn't be better: Money would go into Americans' pockets just when the U.S. economy can begin fully reopening with a vaccinated population that can go about their daily lives without fear of catching the disease or infecting others.

Cash payments would function as a double-stimulus. They would provide relief to struggling Americans, as the stimulus earlier this year did, but they also would accelerate the reopening of the economy. That's worth the cost. The key variable that has been missing from the stimulus debate in Washington has been not money but time. Time really matters: The sooner Americans get relief, the better. The sooner the federal government can reduce spending on enhanced unemployment insurance, on the Paycheck Protection Program for small businesses and on state and local aid, the better. And the sooner the federal government can start getting revenue from income taxes for people who are back to work and from businesses that are reopening at full capacity, the better.

So, despite the price of approximately $383 billion if every American adult over 18 took advantage of the program, this would be the fiscally responsible thing to do - in addition to its being a life-saving boon for public health.

This sounds like the best idea that I've heard of recently to overcome public skepticism surrounding vaccine safety concerns, but I have no illusions that such a program is anything but what it is - government coercion.

But I do think the topic is worthy of open debate regardless.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-11-24 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Those who refuse to be vaccinated due to religious reasons will want the money without getting the vaccine, otherwise they will yell religious discrimination.


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-11-24 02:29 PM | Reply

#2

Nope, it doesn't work like that Lamplighter. The vaccine payment has nothing to do with religion.

Either someone takes it and receives a credit or they don't and receive no credit - which is the status quo to begin with.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-11-24 02:43 PM | Reply

... The vaccine payment has nothing to do with religion. ...

Oh, but it does.

A person is denied the payment because of their religious beliefs.

Their religious beliefs prevent them from receiving the vaccine, therefore a payment system based upon the vaccine is biased against them.


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-11-24 03:12 PM | Reply

A person is denied the payment because of their religious beliefs.

NO, they are not. Every person has the free will of whether to do something or not do something. If a person is offered a stipend to do something, that does not create a religious exemption allowing another person to be paid for NOT doing the same thing.

This is not a controversial construct. Do something, get a bonus. Don't do something, no bonus for you regardless of the reason why.

The only way your supposition would make sense is that the government mandated that everyone HAD to take the vaccine and the money was just a sweetner. That is not the case. Everyone still has the free will choice of whether to do so or not without a penalty of any type whatsoever, the reason why they don't is irrelevant.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-11-24 03:23 PM | Reply

@#5 ... regardless of the reason why ...

Ah, there's the rub.

There is regard to the reason why, discrimination based upon religious beliefs.

(fwiw, I tend to agree with you more than I agree with me. But it would not surprise me to see the argument I am presenting used in this scenario, and to see court cases on it. If it makes it to the SCOTUS...)

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-11-24 03:35 PM | Reply

There is regard to the reason why,

These people are already NOT taking vaccines as a matter of their religious beliefs - ergo there is no alteration to the status quo, ergo, no harm.

Offering payments to those who DO choose to take a vaccine does not inhibit anyone's right NOT to. The payment is for choosing to DO something. NO ONE gets paid for NOT doing something - regardless of why they choose not to.

There is no case. Many Americans will choose not to take the vaccine and many will make that decision outside of religion. Those people won't be paid either.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-11-24 04:08 PM | Reply

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Doctors are telling the CDC that they should tell people that these vaccines are no "walk in the park"; that it takes a couple of injections and probably some virus side effects.

They are afraid people won't want to come back for the second round.

So... this payment plan might be a good idea. Would not be surprised if it were tied conditionally to stimulus check, though, which might open another can of worms.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2020-11-24 04:16 PM | Reply

Isn't it going to take time to get everyone vaccinated? 300 million+ people?

we'll start with healthcare workers, then move on to the elderly, then the sick, then the teachers, then the students, etc.

IOW, won't we have a protocol and some sort of hierarchy to follow to distribute the vaccines?

If we offer money....won't that cause a whole bunch of people to demand it before it's their turn?

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-24 05:22 PM | Reply

@#7 ... Offering payments to those who DO choose to take a vaccine does not inhibit anyone's right NOT to. The payment is for choosing to DO something. ...

If receipt of the payment is closely tied to taking the vaccine, as the op-ed suggests, then the person's right to receive the government payment is inhibited due to religious beliefs. It is like the government is basing the receipt of the payment upon whether or not one's religion allows such vaccines, and by extension upon one's choice of religion. That has the government getting a little too deep into one's choice of religion.

I dunno. I see a possible minefield. While I tend to agree with your comments, I do not think it is as cut and dry as your comments suggest.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-11-24 07:13 PM | Reply

So now people will hold off on getting the vaccine until someone pays them to do it?

#11 | Posted by censored at 2020-11-24 07:22 PM | Reply

So now people will hold off on getting the vaccine until someone pays them to do it?

#11 | Posted by censored at 2020-11-24 07:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't you get it? America has fallen so far that we have to pay people not to be complete morons.

#12 | Posted by cbob at 2020-11-24 10:14 PM | Reply

What next pay them to wipe with TP?

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2020-11-24 10:36 PM | Reply

The truth is we have a very conservative Supreme Court and I could easily see them siding with those religious lunatics refusing to take the vaccine. That isn't my agreement but just my acknowledgement of the nut jobs we have allowed to be given lifetime appointments. Example: Hobby Lobby. A ridiculous decision but it is what happened. Elections have consequences as we surely learned these past 4 years. We will be paying a terrible price for decades.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2020-11-25 08:43 AM | Reply

"What next pay them to wipe with TP?
#13 | POSTED BY TOR"

There is actually some truth to that. I know people that would rather have beda$$ than use a wet wipe.

#15 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-11-25 08:51 AM | Reply

Jesus never used TP! Thus TP is unholy and should be avoided by all true Christians.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2020-11-25 09:25 AM | Reply

Ah...no, its them "other" people that use they bare hand.

#17 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-11-25 09:32 AM | Reply

Jesus never used TP! Thus TP is unholy and should be avoided by all true Christians.

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-11-25 09:25 AM | REPLY

TP better be "unholy" or else you'll get stink finger.

#18 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-11-25 09:48 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just implement UBI.

The economic situation imposed by Capitalism and the pandemic practically necessitates it.

And make it so if you're rich you can just have the government pay your share directly to the charity or non-profit of your choice.

I can't imagine this isn't supported by something like 70% of Americans.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-25 11:52 PM | Reply

There is actually some truth to that. I know people that would rather have beda$$ than use a wet wipe.

#15 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

I know people who would rather live their lives according to ancient mythology instead of facts and science. People refusing to accept progress are crazy huh?

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-11-26 02:05 PM | Reply

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