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Wednesday, November 25, 2020

There's little evidence that herd immunity is helping Sweden combat the coronavirus, according to the country's top epidemiologist.



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Shockingly predictable

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2020-11-25 12:22 PM | Reply

"People should admit that herd immunity is an outcome; not a strategy."

I recall our very own virology expert (JPW) saying something similar.

Something along the lines of: my plan to get skinnier is to lose weight.

#2 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-11-25 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Herd immunity only becomes a strategy when vaccines are available.

Vaccines, you see, render individuals immune. When enough individuals are immune, even the unvaccinated members of the herd benefit from the immunity of others, since if you're immune you can't get sick in the first place, so you can't transmit the disease to the unvaccinated.

In the absence of a vaccine, there's no functional difference between a policy of "herd immunity" and "ignoring the disease."

Truly understand the dynamics of this requires differential equations, and I'd wager about 1% of Americans understand differential equations.

But to get the gist of it, all you have to to is not be an idiot. I like to think about 70% of Americans -- all of us who aren't Deplorables -- can pull that off.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-25 09:10 PM | Reply

"Inconceivable!" - Mythbummer

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2020-11-25 09:46 PM | Reply

Something along the lines of: my plan to get skinnier is to lose weight.


I'll wait to get skinnier when I die. It's easier and I don't have to cut out the carbs.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-11-25 09:47 PM | Reply

This statement is somewhat hilarious in a sad way:

"We also see that many other countries in Europe that had a big effect during the spring, that had lockdowns and now again have lockdowns also see a big increase now. So it seems to follow this pattern that if you had a lot of cases during the spring you also see a lot of cases now ... We don't know why this is."

While we don't know why with 100% certainty, it was all predicted. Herd immunity never emerged in Sweden. Now people are back in doors and mingling. The weather has again changed to cold weather. Etc, etc, etc. The same reasons it is blowing up all over the rest of Europe (and in the US for that mater) right now. People vacationed and mingled and did what not over the summer and that simmer that was never put out has exploded due to the right conditions.

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-11-26 11:35 PM | Reply

If natural immunity were not able to be improved in a person's body, none of us would EVER get past the age of 5 without being hooked up to hospital devices out entire lives. Herd immunity does happen naturally and it would in this case too. But why would anyone use it as a strategy when we have modern medicine that can help make it happen quicker? I don't recall anyone ever saying to stop all medical testing and ignore vaccinations as herd immunity will take care of it. All I've heard is that herd immunity will start kicking in and help decrease the amount of infections over a long period of time. And less than a year is nowhere near a long period of time in this case. So, can someone post any evidence that any country said they are not going to continue with medicinal support as it becomes available because herd immunity will cure us of covid? I'd love to see that.

#7 | Posted by humtake at 2020-11-27 12:11 PM | Reply

"But why would anyone use it as a strategy when we have modern medicine that can help make it happen quicker"

But... we don't have modern medicine that can help make it happen quicker.

A vaccine is the only modern medicine that can make it happen quicker.

We don't have that yet.


#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-27 12:35 PM | Reply

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