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Sunday, November 29, 2020

Photographer Go Nakamura has visited a COVID-19 intensive care unit in Houston about 20 times, but he never gets used to what he sees there.

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God bless these medical workers.

#1 | Posted by Tor at 2020-11-29 09:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This picture should be on the front page of every newspaper in the country so that all people truly know what is happening with covid.
It will be amazing if all these front line workers don't end up with PTSD. God bless them.

#2 | Posted by rukiddin at 2020-11-30 08:10 AM | Reply

When I first saw this, I cried for the sheer humanity of the embrace and the selfishness and stupidity of those who continue to deny the pandemic and the use of the simple, best prophylactic: a properly worn mask.

#3 | Posted by Bluetgr at 2020-11-30 10:26 AM | Reply

It's a heartbreaker and an icon.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2020-11-30 11:13 AM | Reply

heartbreaking humanity...
much needed in these days.

#5 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-11-30 11:38 AM | Reply

heartbreaking humanity...much needed in these days.

Really?

We just moved through Thanksgiving, which I understand for many of my friends living in the US was under lock-down. I heard on several occasions politicians stating, "let's hunker down through this holiday, so we can be together next year."

Statistically, more than 2.7 million people will die before the next Thanksgiving comes around. I wonder how many of those dead are now looking at their last Thanksgiving in the rear-view mirror.

I don't think the last chapter on the COVID saga will be written for years. But when it is, I have no doubts that people will be asking what in the actual ---- happened in 2020.

#6 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 12:57 PM | Reply

I have no doubts that people will be asking what in the actual ---- happened in 2020.

The president made the virus political and allowed it to spread.

People decided their rights to personal freedom meant more than acting responsibly to protect society.

The president attacked local governments and encouraged treason. He forced people back to work. Forced kids back into schools. Gave the relief money to his friends and supporters.

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

What the f**k happened in 2020? Trump decided his best shot at winning re-election was to let America die.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-30 01:43 PM | Reply

"People decided their rights to personal freedom meant more than acting responsibly to protect society."

"Acting responsibly?"

As of the end of May, 25% of the population had lost their jobs as a result of government-imposed restrictions. There were 100,000 businesses that had shuttered their doors by May of 2020. Experts predicted in May that more than one million very small businesses could fail by the end of the year.

And the effects are not uniform. For workers earning more than $100k per year, 60% of their work can be done from anywhere. About 10% of those making $40k per year are able to work from home.

But many larger companies have gone under as well. Aircraft are sitting mothballed in the desert. Cruise ships are being scrapped by the droves, more valuable as scrap than as luxury cruisers.

I doubt that we have any idea what the impacts resulting from personal isolation or mental health will be. It's probably something that will never be possible to quantify.

We can't say how the future will judge how the decision makers in the COVID. That will be for our children to determine. Maybe even their children. And maybe all of the collateral damage will be deemed worth whatever number of lives may have been saved.

#8 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 02:22 PM | Reply

"As of the end of May, 25% of the population had lost their jobs as a result of government-imposed restrictions."

So what? You always tell us anyone without a job can just go live in the woods.

"There were 100,000 businesses that had shuttered their doors by May of 2020."

So what? You always tell us anyone without a job can just go live in the woods.

"Experts predicted in May that more than one million very small businesses could fail by the end of the year."

So what? You always tell us anyone without a job can just go live in the woods.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-30 02:31 PM | Reply

Trump and his administration handled it horribly.

But the left had no trouble politicizing it before we had a handle on just how big this was going to be.

They couldn't wait to try and fry Trump for wanting to stop(in a horribly ham handed way) travel from china to the US... So they went out and encouraged people to head to chinatown and eat at the local authentic chinese establishments. In hindsight I don't think that would age so well, if AOC wasn't given such a huge free pass.

Just another entry in the parties are the same, just different.

#10 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-11-30 02:32 PM | Reply

Statistically, more than 2.7 million people will die before the next Thanksgiving comes around. I wonder how many of those dead are now looking at their last Thanksgiving in the rear-view mirror.

This has got to be some of the most desperately stupid reasoning I've seen.

Today might be the last time I ever drive a car. Might as well drive recklessly and without a seat belt, right?

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-30 02:32 PM | Reply

"But the left had no trouble politicizing it before we had a handle on just how big this was going to be."

The left was right, and you were wrong.

Story of your life.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-30 02:34 PM | Reply

#8 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Maybe they should have run their businesses better so they could be more adaptable and able to take some economic woes into stride.

BTW there's no right to make a living.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-30 02:45 PM | Reply

"So what? You always tell us anyone without a job can just go live in the woods."

And living in the woods is an even easier way to avoid COVID.

So maybe the people who wanted employment and the employers should have been allowed to do their thing, and the people who wanted to avoid COVID could go live in the woods?

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 02:45 PM | Reply

What's the story of your life... As inane open ended questions as if they're insightful?

So AOC was right to encourage people to travel to different areas to mingle with new people? The story of your life is out of tune.

#15 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-11-30 02:47 PM | Reply

"This has got to be some of the most desperately stupid reasoning I've seen."

How so?

Do you think it's stupid to those old people who won't be spending time with their families this holiday season because they've been told not to? Because they've been told to hunker down until the 2021 Christmas season?

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 02:48 PM | Reply

Just another entry in the parties are the same, just different.

#10 | POSTED BY KWRX25

If you're going to reach such an absurd conclusion you should at least have an accurate assessment of the facts.

But the left had no trouble politicizing it before we had a handle on just how big this was going to be.

I knew how big it would be. Other scientists/doctors/public health officials knew how big it was going to be.

But even now policy isn't being driven by those people. So spare me.

They couldn't wait to try and fry Trump for wanting to stop(in a horribly ham handed way) travel from china to the US...

Because the ban was only for Chinese nationals. Not US citizens or anybody else. And not any sort of restriction on flights from anywhere other than mainland China.

It wasn't ham handed. It was a shallow, half hearted swing and a miss.

So they went out and encouraged people to head to chinatown and eat at the local authentic chinese establishments.

Because as usual Americans are dumb as dirt and thought that any Chinese (or even asian person...) just inherently had it. They were avoiding these places because they're ignorant dumb -----.

In hindsight I don't think that would age so well, if AOC wasn't given such a huge free pass.

It would only be a problem because restaurants and businesses as a whole are suffering now under the ineptitude and negligence of our elected officials.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-30 02:49 PM | Reply

How so?

You're arguing one should ignore a known high current risk for an abstract, always present low risk.

But I suspect it's more because you have to cling to whatever argument you can, no matter how lame, to justify your immovable opinion on the matter.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-30 02:51 PM | Reply

"So AOC was right to encourage people to travel to different areas to mingle with new people?"

What are you even talking about?

Since when does anyone take orders from AOC or Pelosi?

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-30 02:54 PM | Reply

-BTW there's no right to make a living.

There's also no right to NOT be evicted for not paying ones rent.

except there was for a while until that right expired.

But we have a thread here where 10K of the deaths from COVID are because folks got evicted.

Why were they not paying their rent? Could it be in large part because they lost their job due to COVID?

I said from the beginning of this that there will be deaths due to a lack of economic activity.

I'm not saying the choices were wrong...but TOUGH choices that will result in loss of life either way.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-30 02:59 PM | Reply

"Today might be the last time I ever drive a car. Might as well drive recklessly and without a seat belt, right?"

Not sure your age, but it's entirely likely you're at greater risk on your morning commute than you are from COVID.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 03:00 PM | Reply

I have nothing but respect and admiration for these workers like the MD in the photo.

But keep in mind that physician and many other nurses, etc. have been embracing folks like that forever.

Folks in hospice....alone, folks in a nursing home....alone...at the end of their lives.

not because of a pandemic but alone all the same in need of consolation and humanity.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2020-11-30 03:04 PM | Reply

"Maybe they should have run their businesses better so they could be more adaptable and able to take some economic woes into stride."

It's this sort of "---- em" attitude, which seems to be common in some circles, that will factor in to future judgement. I don't think you really mean that, BTW, I just don't think you find yourself in a somewhat indefensible position. Like telling people they aren't allowed to drive because there is a very slight possibility they may kill themselves or someone else.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 03:04 PM | Reply

"BTW there's no right to make a living."

You mean except at the pleasure of the government?

I'm not sure what you mean. Because of COVID?

It's like saying there's no right to vote.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 03:07 PM | Reply

"You're arguing one should ignore a known high current risk for an abstract, always present low risk."

Not really. But any COVID Task Force should have been staffed with a multi-disciplined team that included experts from numerous fields. So far it's been doctors. Their focus, maybe as directed, has been on figuring out how minimize the number of COVID deaths. The collateral damage from that policy has been left to play out unmitigated. I think that the last chapter written will bear this out, that the government should have found a way to minimize the overall damage to everyone, rather than limit the concern to those who tend to be vulnerable.

In other words, a whole of government approach, rather than just focusing on what the experts in communicable diseases were saying.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 03:25 PM | Reply

"But any COVID Task Force should have been staffed with a multi-disciplined team that included experts from numerous fields."

Why?

What does, say, a meat processing plant expert have to do with the COVID-19 Task Force mission?

Perhaps you could explain what you think the COVID-19 Task Force mission is... because processing meat seems pretty far out of scope.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-30 03:29 PM | Reply

"The collateral damage from that policy has been left to play out unmitigated."

There's no Collateral Damage Task Force?

Sad. Bigly sad!

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-30 03:32 PM | Reply

There's also no right to NOT be evicted for not paying ones rent.

Never said there was.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-30 03:38 PM | Reply

Not sure your age, but it's entirely likely you're at greater risk on your morning commute than you are from COVID.

#21 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

For the umpteenth time, there's more to it than death.

And neither small risk means I'm going to avoid taking precautions out of some misguided self-absorbed line of thinking.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-30 03:39 PM | Reply

"But I suspect it's more because you have to cling to whatever argument you can, no matter how lame, to justify your immovable opinion on the matter."

The mortality rate drops with each passing day. If the CDC is correct and there are 6-24 unreported COVID cases for each that was reported, then the mortality rate would be even lower.

So what would be the metric you would be looking for as a trigger? Lower cases? lower deaths? Lower overall deaths?

Is it that keep the world in lock-down until the last COVID virion has been removed from the planet?

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 03:44 PM | Reply

"What does, say, a meat processing plant expert have to do with the COVID-19 Task Force mission?"

Are you serious?

Some of the most notable outbreaks worldwide occurred in meat processing plants?

It's been suggested that this whole thing began with meat processing. That's where a lot of these things seem to have started.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 03:46 PM | Reply

"Some of the most notable outbreaks worldwide occurred in meat processing plants?"

Wait... are you saying the plants would have been shut down sooner, and the outbreaks lessened, if executives from Perdue and Tyson had a voice in the Task Force which shut them down?

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-30 03:54 PM | Reply

"For the umpteenth time, there's more to it than death."

Yeah. Just like with cars. Death is a possibility, but injuries can range from something that you forget about in minutes to something that ruins your life. And you can take precautions yourself, but you'll never be able to stop someone from driving after drinking, or playing on their phone while driving. The only way you can maximize protection against injury in a car accident is to avoid being close to a road.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 03:54 PM | Reply

"The only way you can maximize protection against injury in a car accident is to avoid being close to a road."

Yeah, so?

The only way you can maximize protection against injury from a falling tree is by not living in the forest.

Yet you keep advising people to go live in the woods.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-30 03:58 PM | Reply

"Wait... are you saying the plants would have been shut down sooner, and the outbreaks lessened, if executives from Perdue and Tyson had a voice in the Task Force which shut them down?"

No, but they would have been able to inform any sort of task force in the event of a COVID breakout in a meat packing facility, particularly if it were going to result in recalls or the culling of animals.

Like I said, most lethal viruses have emerged as a result of human interaction with livestock.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 04:02 PM | Reply

"Yet you keep advising people to go live in the woods."

Not if you're scared of a tree you don't.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 04:03 PM | Reply

"No, but they would have been able to inform any sort of task force in the event of a COVID breakout in a meat packing facility"

This function is already handled by public health. No need to double up.
You don't know what public health is, so that's why you don't understand what I'm saying.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-30 04:09 PM | Reply

Here is how the meat packing experts responded to COVID-19, MadBomber:

There's A Cover-Up Happening In Iowa
iowastartingline.com

The Tyson plant in Perry refused to release any information to the public or their employees for weeks about the extent of their outbreak. In mid-April, the plant said some employees had tested positive, but wouldn't release the number out of unfounded privacy concerns. State Auditor Rob Sand got involved, local officials were furious, and local new outlets brought pressure on Tyson's secrecy and the state's.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-30 04:11 PM | Reply

As of the end of May, 25% of the population had lost their jobs as a result of government-imposed restrictions.

Thanks to Trump and the Republican controlled Senate.

Glad they ignored and politicized covid from January through March. Then demanded the economy reopen in May. Gave away the entire pandemic care package to the wealthy. Started schools again in September. And proceeded to act like Covid didn't exist anymore.

Of course you approve. You're a fkkking rhetard.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-30 04:16 PM | Reply

the left had no trouble politicizing it before we had a handle on just how big this was going to be.

I totally remember Democrats screaming how the dangers of Covid were a Democratic hoax and wearing masks is pointless... Oh wait. That was Trump.

I remember when Democrats were telling Bob Woodward how dangerous covid was and then downplaying it to the American public... Oh no, that was Trump again.

Trump is 100% responsible for the lack of response to the virus and the downplaying of the virus.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-30 04:22 PM | Reply

Trump on wearing masks:

* "I have a hard time understanding people when they talk, so that's why I don't wear it."

* "Because there's no Covid. It's a fake pandemic created to destroy the United States of America."

* "I am not wearing a mask because I had my temperature taken already and I'm not sick."

* "Why am I not wearing a mask? I am not wearing a mask or a couple different reasons. Mainly because a lot of the numbers that have come out on coronavirus are not as big as -- ... the media makes them a lot bigger than they actually are ... one other reason is that I'm very young and people who are here, coronavirus is a very serious issue..."

* "Part of it, I'm not really worried about it. Because the death rate for this is pretty low unless you have low immunities."

* "Why? Because it really doesn't do anything really. These little things? *pulls out mask* This is the worst pandemic in the world and a little mask? A little mask? This protects you from the world's deadliest and serious virus that ruined our economy? We have to wear this?"

* "To me there isn't as big of a concern as it really is. If everybody's afraid of it, you could die in a car crash. I mean heart disease is one of the leading killers in the country, no one has stopped making cheeseburgers."

* " I'm not afraid. The good Lord takes care of me. If I die, I die! We gotta get this country moving. What are we gonna do? Wear masks and stay inside for another year? Where will that get us? Let's just mail out more checks to everybody and let the country go bankrupt."

www.cnn.com

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-30 04:23 PM | Reply

AOC was right to encourage people to travel to different areas to mingle with new people?
#15 | POSTED BY KWRX25

She did?

Any citations to what ever it is you're claiming she said?

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-30 04:28 PM | Reply

The mortality rate drops with each passing day.

No, it doesn't. It's certainly improved over the autumn and early winter when compared to the early months of the pandemic for a variety of reasons, but it's not dropping at the same rate it was.

ourworldindata.org

Is it that keep the world in lock-down until the last COVID virion has been removed from the planet?

#30 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Throwing out more absurdities doesn't make your last statements less absurd.

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-30 04:45 PM | Reply

The only way you can maximize protection against injury in a car accident is to avoid being close to a road.

#33 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You're using the logical fallacy reductio ab absurdum.

One has far more options than accept all risk or stop driving.

Just as there are more options than accept all COVID risk or be a recluse.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-30 04:46 PM | Reply

"Thanks to Trump and the Republican controlled Senate."

100%. They were in charge. They ------ it away.

I'm just curious what a president Clownshack would have done differently?

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 04:58 PM | Reply

"Of course you approve. You're a fkkking rhetard."

Does anything I've posted make it sound like I approve?

That's kind of been the point of everything I've posted here.

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 04:59 PM | Reply

I'm just curious what a president Clownshack would have done differently?

I'd have followed Obama's protocol. Such as was done with H1N1, Avian flu, Swine flu, Ebola...

I wouldn't have defunded the CDC. Would have listen to intelligence reports, scientists, WHO. Wouldn't have downplayed the seriousness of the virus to the public. Wouldn't have given away our PPE. Would have used the power of the federal government to increase production of PPE. Wouldn't have put Kushner or Pence in charge of the Covid task force. Etc etc etc...

But. If you don't know this yet. You're either willfully ignorant or an idiot.

I know what I'd bet on.

Especially considering we've been discussing this same topic for almost a year now.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-30 05:07 PM | Reply

"Throwing out more absurdities doesn't make your last statements less absurd."

It's not absurd.

If you were given absolutely authority, what would your objective be? Minimize COVID cases? Minimize hospitalizations? Minimize COVID deaths? Minimize economic impact? Minimize social impact?

When you focus your efforts on one aspect, you do so at the expense of the others. From my vantage point, the focus has been on minimizing COVID cases, which I think is the absolute worst are you could focus on. The vast majority of people who get COVID will cough it out and move on.

And if you're serious about controlling it writ large...China did that. You turn the operation over to the military, set up camps, and shut down the country.

If your intent is to control the virus, China might be the world's one success story. They appear to be doing it.

#48 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 05:13 PM | Reply

"I wouldn't have defunded the CDC. Would have listen to intelligence reports, scientists, WHO. Wouldn't have downplayed the seriousness of the virus to the public. Wouldn't have given away our PPE. Would have used the power of the federal government to increase production of PPE. Wouldn't have put Kushner or Pence in charge of the Covid task force. Etc etc etc..."

You would have "listened?"

And then what?

I'm sorry. I feel like I asked you a question you're not cognitively capable of actually answering.

That was rude of me.

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 05:16 PM | Reply

"If you were given absolutely authority, what would your objective be? Minimize COVID cases? Minimize hospitalizations? Minimize COVID deaths? Minimize economic impact? Minimize social impact?"

All of the above, dummy.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-30 05:19 PM | Reply

"All of the above, dummy."

Admirable.

You would have been the only person on the planet to have done so.

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-11-30 05:23 PM | Reply

You would have "listened?"

And then what?

Did you skip the part where pandemic like viruses have come to America and where prevented from spreading?

You do realize Trump did literally nothing to stop the spread of covid, correct?

Literally didn't nothing to stop it and in fact caused this very pandemic by downplaying the dangers and insisting it's a Democratic hoax to hurt him.

He ignored everything he was told and went golfing.

I would have listened to what I was being told and would have reacted accordingly using Obama's strategy.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-30 05:24 PM | Reply

Apparently QAnonBomber is sure that, despite Trump not doing anything, nothing more could have been done.

Also. He's been going to a gym. I'm going to assume a private gym the US military provides him. So there's his proof covid isn't dangerous.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-11-30 05:28 PM | Reply

You would have been the only person on the planet to have done so.
#51 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Really?

In that case... What would you have done?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-11-30 05:34 PM | Reply

Madbomber sure chose the right
moniker...

"Much anger in him I sense..." -Yoda

Not much sense, logic, or reason,
but looooooooooooooads of anger...

Ergo, must be a Trumptard.

What? Election didn't go well for you?
What? Too soon? :D

But seriously, don't understand such
misplaced aggression(?), anger(?),
futile rage(?), at me expressing that I
thought the gesture by the healthcare worker
was a touching one...

You still have some humanity under all
that angst and anger right? A little
holiday spirit? No?

#55 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-11-30 09:14 PM | Reply

If you were given absolutely authority, what would your objective be? Minimize COVID cases? Minimize hospitalizations? Minimize COVID deaths? Minimize economic impact? Minimize social impact?

The first is the only objective necessary.

Everything else falls into place if you succeed in limiting cases.

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2020-11-30 10:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Everything else falls into place if you succeed in limiting cases."

Let's pull this thread.

The best way to minimize COVID cases that we've seen is the Chinese model. And really, they could have done a better job. The North Koreans also appear to have been successful in containing the virus.

But we're back to where we started. A model where any and all collateral damage is acceptable, provided you get as close to zero new cases as possible. Over an infinite timeline, the collateral damage becomes immeasurable. It may already be. It would be impossible to quantify how many lives you could save with a lock-down. It would also be somewhat difficult to quantify how many of those who "died" of COVID would have been shortly dead of a co-morbidity even if the virus hadn't emerged.

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-12-01 02:09 AM | Reply

Here you go clown...

www.fox32chicago.com

#58 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-12-01 04:33 AM | Reply

Sounds like the left politicized it early on too...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

#59 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-12-01 04:43 AM | Reply

The best way to minimize COVID cases that we've seen is the Chinese model. And really, they could have done a better job. The North Koreans also appear to have been successful in containing the virus.

Why did you choose those? Why not New Zealand, South Korea or Taiwan?

Right. Because you want the association of unfavorable regimes and effective COVID counter measures.

Piss off. I'm not going to bother addressing the rest of your absurdities.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2020-12-01 09:05 AM | Reply

And BTW if you have to sink so low as to ask "how many would have died anyway?" in order to float your opinions...well...you need to really think long and hard about your attitude towards other people.

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2020-12-01 09:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Why did you choose those? Why not New Zealand, South Korea or Taiwan?"

New Zealand and Taiwan have no borders. They're protected by Ocean. They're naturally isolated. In general, islands have had it pretty easy. South Korea did better initially, but they've recently seen significant upticks in the number of new cases. Probably for the same reason as much of Europe.

#62 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-12-01 11:34 AM | Reply

"And BTW if you have to sink so low as to ask "how many would have died anyway?" in order to float your opinions...well...you need to really think long and hard about your attitude towards other people."

This is why you'd need multiple views in any sort of effective COVID task force. Your position would that any amount of economic destruction, any amount of despair or trauma, even loss of life, would be justified if it meant preventing one more COVID death.

#63 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-12-01 11:37 AM | Reply

South Korea has done better all along, and they're still doing better than just about anybody else.

Why is that?

"New Zealand and Taiwan have no borders. They're protected by Ocean."

Same can be said for Australia. But you didn't.

Why is that?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-01 11:39 AM | Reply

Re#63

How many deaths should we subtract from 9/11, since a percentage of those who died had co-morbidities?

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-12-01 11:41 AM | Reply

"Why is that?"

Australia. Another island that has effectively tackled the COVID challenge.

#66 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-12-01 11:49 AM | Reply

"How many deaths should we subtract from 9/11, since a percentage of those who died had co-morbidities?"

If those Co-morbidities contributed to an airplane flying into the side of a building, then by all means, remove them as a casualty of 9/11.

#67 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-12-01 11:50 AM | Reply

New Zealand and Taiwan have no borders. They're protected by Ocean. They're naturally isolated.

Yeah, and we all know that in this disconnected world where islands can only be reached by boats this is a legit point... *eye roll*

This is why you'd need multiple views in any sort of effective COVID task force. Your position would that any amount of economic destruction, any amount of despair or trauma, even loss of life, would be justified if it meant preventing one more COVID death.

#63 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

When you're done throwing straw can we have a real discussion?

#68 | Posted by jpw at 2020-12-01 02:11 PM | Reply

"Yeah, and we all know that in this disconnected world where islands can only be reached by boats this is a legit point... *eye roll*"

Eye roll?

Really?

When you can explicitly control all entry points, you can explicitly control who enters and what they do once they are there.

#69 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-12-01 02:35 PM | Reply

"When you're done throwing straw can we have a real discussion?"

Do we need to? I feel like you provided your position in #56.

What we can do is discuss what happens next:

"Governors To Decide On Who Gets Vaccine First"

drudge.com

This was the topic on Michael Smerconish's show this afternoon. The arguments as to who the governors should offer the vaccine to first were pretty evenly split between those who are most at risk, and those who are most likely to spread the virus. If you're looking to expedite the spread of the virus and reduce the number of cases, it would seem the clear answer would be to vaccinate people based on how many other people they come into contact with. School children, teachers, office workers, frequent travelers, etc. If you're looking to reduce deaths, then you take the opposite approach and provide the vaccine first to vulnerable populations. Of course that path means vaccinating those who are least likely to expose themselves to other people, thus minimizing the rate of new infections. In fact it would seem entirely possible that COVID numbers could continue to increase even after the vaccine became available for months, as those most likely to spread the disease would be the last to be vaccinated.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-12-01 02:43 PM | Reply

Eye roll?
Really?
When you can explicitly control all entry points, you can explicitly control who enters and what they do once they are there.

#69 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

So COVID entered the US via the Mexican or Canadian border via illegal immigrant?

We don't control our ports of entry?

Yes, *eye roll*.

#71 | Posted by jpw at 2020-12-01 04:34 PM | Reply

When you're done throwing straw can we have a real discussion?
#68 | POSTED BY JPW

You know by now that he will never stop.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-01 04:37 PM | Reply

"When you can explicitly control all entry points, you can explicitly control who enters and what they do once they are there."

Trump had and still has explicit control of the entry points.

Trump didn't control who enters.

He could have, but he didn't.

And here we are.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-01 04:39 PM | Reply

"We don't control our ports of entry?"

Yes, but I don't know if there has been any attempt to manage entry into the US or conduct COVID testing on new arrivals. Especially at the Federal level, where the US is more like the EU than it is like Taiwan.

#74 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-12-02 12:51 AM | Reply

"He could have, but he didn't. And here we are."

Could he have?

I don't know the answer. Do the states determine the public health entry requirements, or does that happen at the Federal level. And if it did happen at one level, could it be overturned at another?

The other thing about the US is the sheer size and population. In that way it more like China, and would have likely required not only locking down national borders, but state borders as well. I don't know if that's something that even be done constitutionally.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-12-02 12:56 AM | Reply

"He could have, but he didn't. And here we are."

"Could he have?
I don't know the answer."

I do know the answer.
Listen carefully:
He could have.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-02 01:52 AM | Reply

"If those Co-morbidities contributed to an airplane flying into the side of a building, then by all means, remove them as a casualty of 9/11."

Well, Falling Man wasn't killed by an airplane flying into the side of a building; should we remove him?

And you're not claiming co-morbidities killed them; you're claiming anyone with any co-morbidity whatsoever should be subtracted.

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-12-02 12:06 PM | Reply

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