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Thursday, December 03, 2020

The numbers are ominous: It was reported Wednesday that 3,100 Americans died of COVID-19. And that number will climb with over 100,000 sick enough to be hospitalized and over 200,000 new infections detected.

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The record-breaking numbers come as reporting was expected to slowly trickle in after Thanksgiving's holiday break, raising concerns that the surge in cases, hospitalizations and deaths will only get worse as the country approaches the two-week mark after the surge in travel prompted by the holiday.
Be safe. Protect yourself, protect others. Wear a mask whenever in public. Let's put an end to the unfettered spread of covid as quickly as possible.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-12-02 07:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thanks Trump, thanks GOP.

#2 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-12-03 08:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anti-maskers should be denied medical treatment when they contract Coronavirus. They should not be allowed to put healthcare professionals in danger just because they want to parrot that idiot Trump.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2020-12-03 09:09 AM | Reply

According to Dr. Redfield of the CDC "We are facing the worst healthcare crisis this country has ever seen". But of course there will be a (sadly) high percentage of morons who will prefer to take the medical advice from a Facebook stranger.

#4 | Posted by Sezu at 2020-12-03 09:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Please, sir, we can't take all the winning...

#5 | Posted by catdog at 2020-12-03 09:26 AM | Reply

#3 So true Magda Goebbels. Add any person who shows up with advanced Aids, no condom, no treatment! Show up with TB? No mask, no treatment. Kid has Pink Eye? No googles, no treatment! Magda, cash only hospitals can wipe out millions, cleanse portions of society you don't like. You are a nasty little person.

#6 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-12-03 09:33 AM | Reply

This looks like a great time for a White House Xmas Partaaay!

We're roundin' the corner!

#7 | Posted by anton at 2020-12-03 09:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Add any person who shows up with advanced Aids, no condom, no treatment!

You do realize that it is against the law for a person to knowingly and intentionally infect another person with HIV, don't you? And HIV is not transmitted through the air nor potentially internalized through simple surface contacts.

Danni's point is rhetorical obviously, but its thrust is valid: Why should healthcare providers risk their own lives trying to treat Covid patients who did not try to protect themselves from contracting the communicable disease themselves? At last count over 2000 have contracted Covid and died - leaving their own families with a hopeless void - simply for doing their jobs.

Of course, that doesn't mean that every infected patient was reckless in contracting the disease, but since mitigation slows or stops the spread, practicing its rules and methods would lessen the numbers of infected and the exposure of those caring for them.

Where I live this is called being responsible for ones' behavior and not negatively impacting others' lives or health without their consent.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-12-03 09:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A few hours from now this will bump to the 4th or 5th most important story on the Retort. Lol

#9 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-12-03 10:17 AM | Reply

I kinda agree with the point Gracie's making, except for her last sentence. Hell done froze over.

#10 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-12-03 10:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

That's just the advanced AIDS talking.

#11 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-12-03 10:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Magda wants to be judge and jury in the hospital with not a shred of proof how the person contracted COVID and deny them treatment, just by their voter registration card. Healthcare workers are at risk everyday on the job. They are in the wrong profession if they are afraid to go to work o the chance they might catch something from the person they are treatig. They were provided PPE for a reason long before COVID ever existed.

#12 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-12-03 10:24 AM | Reply

~Wishes for an edit post function to correct typos~

#13 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-12-03 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Against the law? You can't be serious, can you?

#14 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-12-03 10:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

And let me clarify, the left here has deemed all anti-maskers as conservative's, which is simply not true.

#15 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-12-03 10:32 AM | Reply

@#13 ... Wishes for an edit post function to correct typos~ ...

You and me both. :)

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-12-03 10:34 AM | Reply

@#12 ... deny them treatment, just by their voter registration card. ...

Wasn't the Trump administration threatening to do something similar with the blue states in the earlier days of the pandemic, i.e., denying them treatment because they were Democratic-governed states?

Lemme see if I can find a link...

Here's one...

Trump Can't Play Politics With Aid to States
www.lawfareblog.com

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-12-03 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#16 And a delete post for immediately regretting hitting publish. Maybe RCADE will give us Christmas gifts this year!

#18 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-12-03 10:38 AM | Reply

Against the law? You can't be serious, can you?

#14 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

You seriously can't be that ignorant, can you?

As of 2020, 37 states have laws that criminalize HIV exposure. The laws for the 50 states and the District of Columbia were assessed and categorized into five categories. HIV-specific laws that criminalize or control behaviors that can potentially expose another person to HIV.

The laws for the 50 states and the District of Columbia were assessed and categorized into five categories.

1. HIV-specific laws that criminalize or control behaviors that can potentially expose another person to HIV.

2. Sexually transmitted disease (STD), communicable, contagious, infectious disease (STD/communicable/infectious disease-specific) laws that criminalize or control behaviors that can potentially expose another person to STDs/communicable/infectious disease-specific. This might include HIV.

www.cdc.gov

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-12-03 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of course I'm serious. Look at gun laws and look at Chicago crime stats. Tell me how laws work again. If people with STD's and or Aids followed those 'laws' there would no longer be any sexually transmitted diseases.

#20 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-12-03 10:45 AM | Reply

If the people who continue to minimize this pandemic spent half as much time taking precautions and following guidelines as they do complaining about it, the spread of COVID would be much slower.

#21 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-12-03 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Look at gun laws"

We have the weakest gun laws in the world.

The Second Amendment tremendously limits what gun laws can do.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-03 10:47 AM | Reply

And even further, YES Gracie, it's against the law to knowingly attempt to fly into Hawaii if you know that you are actively infected with Covid:

Couple who tested positive for Covid are arrested after boarding flight

"They knowingly boarded a flight aware of their positive COVID-19 test results, placing the passengers of the flight in danger of death," a Kauai police spokeswoman said.

Moribe, 41, and Peterson, 46, residents of Wailua, were arrested on second-degree reckless endangerment charges.

Apparently your arguments would be better served by spending a few more minutes doing research on Google than vaingloriously expressing gratefulness for the gift of daily life we all should cherish through our deeds, not just empty words and meaningless gestures.

And lastly, I would never speak for others, but I believe that non-mask wearers span every demographic and political persuasion. It just seems that those on the right who trumpet individual liberty as their personal North Star take up most of the oxygen on the subject publicly.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-12-03 10:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Healthcare workers are at risk everyday on the job. They are in the wrong profession if they are afraid to go to work o the chance they might catch something from the person they are treatig."

Using GracieAmazed logic, cops should be okay with getting shot.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-03 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

A law is a law. People still die from sexually transmitted diseases in spite of laws. We could have the strongest gun laws in the world and get rid of the second and people will still have guns and kill each other. Remember Prohibition?

#25 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-12-03 10:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Cops know full well when they walk out their front door there is a possibility they won't return home. Now I am done. I made a vow to not respond to Snoofy after his cries of TWO MILLION DEAD BY MAY all day everyday on the Retort up to August when he was disappointed that didn't become a reality.

#26 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-12-03 10:56 AM | Reply

If people with STD's and or Aids followed those 'laws' there would no longer be any sexually transmitted diseases.

Good grief you fail Reasoning 101. No law can stop individual behavior unless the individual chooses to follow the law.

I specifically qualified how the laws apply - violations only occur if the infected person does not inform others of their condition and THEN potentially infects those persons without their consent. If a person divulges their HIV or STD status and others proceed with that knowledge, then no crime is committed.

You cannot legislate the elimination of disease any more than you can legislate the end of gun usage for criminal acts. That doesn't mean that the law is ineffective because obviously many DO FOLLOW the law because they do not want to face the penalty. You cannot quantify things that do not happen because deterrence through a law was indeed effective.

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-12-03 10:57 AM | Reply

I am curious about the number of anti-maskers who are on the left. There has to be a certain percentage of new-age granola raw-water-drinker anti-maskers, who will soon be COVID19 anti-vaxers. Still, Tr***ers are definitely the most loud and proud stupid people when it comes to masks and vaccinations

#28 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-12-03 10:59 AM | Reply

I wouldn't call what Danni posted in 3 as rhetorical.....more like wild ass hyperbole.

Of course we aren't going to refuse treatment for COVID to an anti-masker.

Any more than we'll refuse treatment to anybody else who engaged in risky and dangerous behavior. even criminal behavior.

Try and ignore the hyperbole next time, Gracie.

Look what happens when you bother to address it.......the ridiculous hyperbole is ignored but your willingness to address it for what it is is what gets challenged.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2020-12-03 11:07 AM | Reply

What Danni posts is just her justifying her votes for war, she always does that, best to ignore her.

#30 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-12-03 11:10 AM | Reply

I wouldn't call what Danni posted in 3 as rhetorical.....more like wild ass hyperbole.

Okay, please explain to me (for the sake of argument) why any healthcare provider could not deny their personal services to a patient if they found out that patient did not believe in nor practice mitigation themselves? There is no "right" to healthcare is there? Don't providers have individual "freedom" to offer their services to whomever they choose? Conversely can't they withhold those services if the providers object to the patient's conduct prior to arriving before them? (With allowance that personal contracts with hospitals/practices might codify that all patients are indeed entitled to care regardless of the provider's personal feelings about them)

Hasn't the SCOTUS ruled that businesses can deny their services on grounds of religious beliefs of said businesses' owners? Catholic hospitals do not provide abortion services, so there are actually no laws against denying anyone specific medical service is there?

Trust me, I understand that morally and ethically this will likely not happen. But what happens if a staunchly religious surgeon-on-call is asked to operate on a transsexual who has life-threatening injuries from an accident? Can that surgeon withhold their service because of their own personal beliefs on that patient's lifestyle?

#31 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-12-03 11:22 AM | Reply

There's only two things that will end this.

The vaccine.

Herd immunity.

At this point. There's no other solutions.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-12-03 11:25 AM | Reply

First, do no harm, but that doesn't mean it isn't challenging:

Branch Talley @BranchTalley

Must-read thread. Doctor's ER team provides life-saving emergency therapy to a Covid victim covered with Nazi tattoos. Attending staff includes a Jew, a Black and an Asian. All risking their life for his.

twitter.com

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-12-03 11:27 AM | Reply

31

A lot of questions.....that I don't have answers to. I know there is a ton of law on the books now regarding healthcare.

Pharmacists who won't fill prescriptions, etc....things like that.

"Hasn't the SCOTUS ruled that businesses can deny their services on grounds of religious beliefs of said businesses' owners? Catholic hospitals do not provide abortion services, so there are actually no laws against denying anyone specific medical service is there?"

Whatever case law that exists I believe it's all religious freedom based.

Not just reckless behavior based, which tells me an MD can choose not to perform an abortion and have legal protection for that choice but doesn't have that same protection if he refuses to operate on someone in an car accident who wasn't wearing a seatbelt.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2020-12-03 11:29 AM | Reply

I know of doctors who won't prescribe birth control because of their cult beliefs

#35 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-12-03 11:29 AM | Reply

#33

Unfortunately.

If tables were turned.

The wannabe Nazi would let the attending staff die.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-12-03 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Anti-maskers should be denied medical treatment when they contract Coronavirus. They should not be allowed to put healthcare professionals in danger just because they want to parrot that idiot Trump."

I don't think they should be denied treatment per se, but here's a thought worth considering. If care is being rationed due to limited resources, as is potentially going to happen in some areas, maybe anti-maskers should go to the end of the line instead of someone who is deemed less likely to survive based on age and/or pre-existing conditions?

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-12-03 11:42 AM | Reply

Dr. Charles Drew - the man who invented the process of separating blood plasma from whole blood - died from injuries he received in a car accident in North Carolina because he was taken to a "white's only" hospital in 1950 and refused care. He died before he could be transported to a hospital that would treat Black patients.

I too have no idea what laws may or may not be on the books today, but there is no doubt physicians and healthcare providers have denied care outside of "religious objections" and not been sanctioned or faced criminal charges for doing so.

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-12-03 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

IOW, if you didn't bother to take preventive measures to protect your own health (and that of others) during a pandemic, why should you be given preferential treatment over someone who did everything they could not to get covid? Anti-maskers may literally have caused others to become sick, so again, why should they get preferential treatment?

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-12-03 11:47 AM | Reply

if he refuses to operate on someone in an car accident who wasn't wearing a seatbelt.

#34 | POSTED BY EBERLY

We treat reckless drivers after they crash even if they hurt others.

Then we prosecute them for criminal negligence and violations of traffic laws and manslaughter if they manage to kill someone with their negligence.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-12-03 11:52 AM | Reply

CV-19 is virulent. It will get you no matter precautions taken. If you have been neglectful taking care of yourself, it will exploit your physical liability. We can go back and forth about mitigation, but it's conjecture. There isn't a cure. Everyone will get it, at some point. Herd immunity won't work because it reoccurs. It's part of our evolution. There will be therapeutics, but CV-19 ain't going nowhere.

Signed Debbie Downer

#41 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-12-03 11:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Okay, please explain to me (for the sake of argument) why any healthcare provider could not deny their personal services to a patient if they found out that patient did not believe in nor practice mitigation themselves? There is no "right" to healthcare is there?

There are professional standards that would bounce said doctor/nurse from practice.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2020-12-03 12:06 PM | Reply

Then we prosecute them for criminal negligence and violations of traffic laws and manslaughter if they manage to kill someone with their negligence.

Thanks for that, helpy helperstein.

I can't imagine we're going to criminalize spreading a virus but whatever.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2020-12-03 12:06 PM | Reply

prosecute them for criminal negligence

Prosecute for what? Freedom of assembly? If someone hasn't been diagnosed spreads it to 50 people, how are you going to prosecute them? Are you going to arrest people based on their beliefs? On your beliefs?

#44 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-12-03 12:09 PM | Reply

Unfortunately I think Debbie Downer is right. Masks will become or have already a standard part of getting dressed to go outside of your house. Handshakes and hugs will become a memory. Social distancing the norm. And the vaccines being developed will probably need to be updated yearly like the flu vaccines.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2020-12-03 12:18 PM | Reply

"Prosecute for what? Freedom of assembly?"

I think the organizers of the event should be held accountable if they don't require the CDC's recommended mitigation for all attendees. I wonder if Herman Caine's widow would agree with me about that?

#46 | Posted by danni at 2020-12-03 12:20 PM | Reply

So I was outside the courthouse this; morning screening clients before they go in. For obvious reasons we are trying to reduce the number of people actually going into the court rooms. One guy I dealt with was a real Qanon winner. He refused to wear a mask. He was annoyed at me for insisting he stand at least 6 feet away. He proclaimed that Covid is a hoax. And when I checked his criminal charges it turned out he behaved 'aggressively' towards some cops who he claimed were enabling Antifa and The Socialists. Based on all the info, I determined he would need to go into the courtroom, - which requires him to wear a mask and socially distance. Should be fun.

I am glad that my job exposes me to people like this. If I did not personally interact with them, I would not believe they really exist. We hear about them or read about them and probably think that it is mostly exaggeration and false drama by the media, but no, these people really do exist.

#47 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-12-03 12:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Magda, Herman Caine's widow could give two -----. She is extremely busy in an estate war to keep every dime he made versus granting his wishes.

#48 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-12-03 12:42 PM | Reply

#46

Prosecute people for not recognizing CDC recommendations? I realize we live in a different world, but lord is that draconian and ripe for abuse.

#49 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-12-03 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

safetyland.
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#50 | Posted by president_erect at 2020-12-03 12:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Prosecute people for not recognizing CDC recommendations?

I don't think so.

Now, more to reality......what about civil suits regarding not following CDC guidelines?

I know many would like to see organizations held accountable in civil court for their refusal to follow CDC guidelines......but seriously doubt even that's going to happen.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2020-12-03 12:49 PM | Reply

Trumps and the GOP's legacy is cruelty, suffering and death.

#52 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-12-03 12:56 PM | Reply

Ebs,

Did you miss THIS? Knowingly spreading Covid to unsuspecting others is already a crime:

Couple who tested positive for Covid are arrested after boarding flight

"They knowingly boarded a flight aware of their positive COVID-19 test results, placing the passengers of the flight in danger of death," a Kauai police spokeswoman said.

Moribe, 41, and Peterson, 46, residents of Wailua, were arrested on second-degree reckless endangerment charges.

www.nbcnews.com

#53 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-12-03 12:59 PM | Reply

OK, so you think prosecution is out of line, I wonder how the people of Sturgis, SD feel about it now? These gatherings do not only put the attendee's life at risk, they also put the lives of everyone who happens to be near those attendees while working, shopping, etc. That meeting has probably cost thousands of people their lives because a bunch of a******s wouldn't bother to wear masks.

#54 | Posted by danni at 2020-12-03 01:02 PM | Reply

Re: #50

Wow, the comments, and the video, so many proud stupid anti-maskers

#55 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-12-03 01:05 PM | Reply

Let me be clear, the conduct I'm referring to as criminal is KNOWINGLY (meaning that there is incontrovertible evidence that you are currently infected) spreading the virus by endangering others in your physical proximity who do not know that you're infected and have no ability to protect themselves from you.

Asymptomatic carriers would not be liable under the law unless they tested positive and THEN took no efforts to mitigate their infection from spreading to others who don't know of the person's infection.

Guidelines exist to mitigate risk, not to guarantee a risk-free environment.

#56 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-12-03 01:09 PM | Reply

53

I did miss that. Thanks for posting it.

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2020-12-03 02:16 PM | Reply

Hey, righties, "freedom" is not (or certainly shouldn't be) a suicide pact. Between our COVID response and the 2nd Amendment, we are our own worst enemies. We, through our collective actions/inactions, kill more of our own people than any foreign (or domestic) enemy ever has.

#58 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-12-03 02:29 PM | Reply

We could have the strongest gun laws in the world and get rid of the second and people will still have guns and kill each other. Remember Prohibition?
#25 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

We didn't have strong gun laws during Prohibition.

If we got rid of the Second Amendment, people would kill less.

Nobody ever said it would go to zero. We're not dummies like Trump lying about Rona going to zero.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-03 04:00 PM | Reply

"I know many would like to see organizations held accountable in civil court for their refusal to follow CDC guidelines......"

We can make people wear seat belts. We can make people stop at stop signs. We can make people stay under the speed limit (mostly).

We can separate children from their parents and keep them in cages.

We can do all those things and more.but we can't make people wear a mask. It's too hard!

#60 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-12-03 04:21 PM | Reply

The US recorded nearly as many COVID-19 deaths on Wednesday as the number of people killed on 9/11

On Wednesday, the US recorded 2,804 coronavirus deaths, marking a new single-day high, according to Johns Hopkins University.

More than 273,000 COVID-19 deaths have been reported in the US, which is closing in on 14 million confirmed cases.

CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield on Wednesday warned that the coming months could be the "most difficult in the public-health history" of the country.

www.businessinsider.com.au


I'm old enough to remember when the deaths of Americans was considered a bad thing and brought America together.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-12-03 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I wonder if Herman Caine's widow would agree with me about that?
#46 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-12-03 12:20 PM

Probably not, most people aren't psychos.

#62 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-12-03 05:18 PM | Reply

We can do all those things and more.but we can't make people wear a mask. It's too hard!
#60 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

We can make people not smoke in public places (specifically to prevent harm to others. Why can't we make them wear masks?

#63 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-12-03 08:01 PM | Reply

#64 yep

#65 | Posted by darkmatter at 2020-12-03 09:16 PM | Reply

Why can't we make them wear masks?

#63 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN AT 2020-12-03 08:01 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Because it's not up to you who wears a mask. And if it's not up to the Federal Government to decide what states mandate what rules, then close your piehole.

#66 | Posted by darkmatter at 2020-12-03 09:18 PM | Reply

#66 Do seatbelts next.
Do shirts and shoes after that.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-03 09:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If society has the right to prevent you from blowing your tobacco smoke over other people, what exempts your unmasked virus-breath? The principle is the same: you don't have the right to endanger others.

#68 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-12-03 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Big ---- you to black dudes but hey whatever it takes to make white liberals feel safe about leaving their front door.
#64 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

You don't serm to understand:
Thats's American history in a nutshell.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-03 09:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#69 - totally agree with you saying white people are a huge problem for black people.

FTFY

#71 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-12-04 09:26 AM | Reply

totally agree with you saying white liberals are a huge problem for black people.

#70 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

Stand back and stand by!

Liberals ain't their problem bro.

Not as much a problem as them proud white boys and the boogalosers.

That's for sure.

#72 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-12-04 11:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#66 Do seatbelts next.
Do shirts and shoes after that.

#67 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-12-03 09:32 PM

You mean the part where the federal government threatens to withhold money from states that don't make the laws they want them to?

#74 | Posted by darkmatter at 2020-12-04 01:38 PM | Reply

Re: #74

Careful, though likely, it isn't proven that Tr*** and Kushner withheld Coronavirus aid to Blue States www.nbcnews.com

#75 | Posted by hamburglar at 2020-12-04 01:43 PM | Reply

You mean the part where the federal government threatens to withhold money from states that don't make the laws they want them to?

#74 | POSTED BY DARKMATTER

Naw..that would be highway speed limits.

#76 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-12-04 03:10 PM | Reply

COVID is now the #1 cause of death in America

#77 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-12-04 06:22 PM | Reply

COVID is now the #1 cause of death in America

#77 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

That's in reality-based America. In Trumplandia, not so much because there's no such thing. It's just a ------- conspiracy to destroy Donald Trump (and all his followers).

#78 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-12-04 07:10 PM | Reply

Trump has appointed Lewandowski to head a new Defense head position, He has replaced the heads of the Defense Policy board, he has decapitated the intelligence agencies and Mark Esper has been fired. Remember when Esper said something like "God help us if I am fired and there's no guard rail with Donald Trump. "? I don't remember the exact quote, but there is something seriously wrong with the Trump replacement of people in military and intelligence people. The military will do as they're told.

#79 | Posted by iloveyou at 2020-12-04 09:39 PM | Reply

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