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Tuesday, December 15, 2020

For the first time, police body camera video reveals what an innocent woman said happened to her nearly two years ago: police officers wrongly entered her home with guns drawn and handcuffed her naked as she watched in horror.

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#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-15 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why did they turn off the camera to have a private conversation? If they messed up they just need to admit it.

#2 | Posted by boaz at 2020-12-15 04:03 PM | Reply

Come on Boaz. What? Were you born yesterday? When do police ever admit they messed up? The first reaction is to always collaborate with the DA and figure out what bogus charge they can stick the victim with.

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-12-15 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If they messed up they just need to admit it."

LOL dude.

Serious question:
Do you know any cops?
Do you know any cops who ever let a suspect know that the cops messed up?

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-15 04:44 PM | Reply

Possibly related:

Do you know any soldiers who admit Bush messed up, invading Iraq or Afghanistan?

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-15 04:45 PM | Reply

"Why did they turn off the camera to have a private conversation?"

Rhetorical, yes?

#6 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-12-15 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I make a comment and the next 4 comments are about the comment I made instead of the article..

Wow.

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2020-12-16 06:58 AM | Reply

I make a comment and the next 4 comments are about the comment I made instead of the article..

You ask a question and then wonder why people respond?

Wow.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-12-16 09:29 AM | Reply

"Why did they turn off the camera to have a private conversation?"
Rhetorical, yes?
#6 | POSTED BY SUNTZUMEOW AT 2020-12-15 11:06 PM

Another golden retort award. Beautifully played, even the Romanians give you a ten.

We need secure, non-tampered video for EVERY police encounter involving a drawn weapon. EVERY time. Anything less is rhetorical, yes.

#9 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-12-16 11:09 AM | Reply

You ask a question and then wonder why people respond?

I expect people to respond to the subject of the thread, not comment on me personally..

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2020-12-16 12:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Why did they turn off the camera to have a private conversation?
#2 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Because they are smart enough to know not to record their crimes?

#11 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-12-16 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We really have to do something about making sure that if cops raid a residence that they have the right one.

It's dangerous for everybody on the premise if they go into the wrong location and that includes the cops since they have no idea who is in the house and the residents can legally shoot Intruders and it has happened at least a few times already.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2020-12-16 01:04 PM | Reply

Decriminalize all drugs, ban no knock raids and hold cops to account for their crimes.

#13 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-12-16 01:42 PM | Reply

"at least a few times"

Oh my sweet summer child!

It probably happens a few times a week, we just don't hear about it because it doesn't make the national news until the cops injure or kill someone.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-16 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Decriminalize all drugs, ban no knock raids"

Worth mentioning that no-knock raids were invented, and legalized by the Supreme Court, to fight the War on Drugs.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-16 01:45 PM | Reply

We really have to do something about making sure that if cops raid a residence that they have the right one.
It's dangerous for everybody on the premise if they go into the wrong location and that includes the cops since they have no idea who is in the house and the residents can legally shoot Intruders and it has happened at least a few times already.
#12 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2020-12-16 01:04 PM

What I want is revenge for the police raiding private citizens homes in their "war against drugs".

So many people have lost their lives, not just their jobs and families.

They commonly shoot pets. Some cops - the drug raid people and SWAT in particular are plainly evil MF's.

Police must be held accountable - and they are 100% replaceable, so I look forward to that purge.

I don't just want them defunded, but running for their greasy disgusting lives.

#16 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-12-16 02:30 PM | Reply

Take a breath red.

There are cops who have never been part of a raid.

And if you think things are bad with cops imagine Society without them.

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2020-12-16 03:25 PM | Reply

And if you think things are bad with cops imagine Society without them.
#17 | POSTED BY TOR

There are exactly zero times in my life where cops have showed up and made things better.

What's your number?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-16 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I have seen exactly zero posts where Snoofy makes a valid point, What's your number?

#19 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-12-16 03:46 PM | Reply

Well snoof there was that time I had to detain two guys I caught shoplifting at my former place of work.

There was also the time my crazy landlady threatened to shoot me.

And there was even a Time a pair of tweakers threatened to kill me if I left the building I was in.

I guess not everyone has lived as privileged life as you.

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2020-12-16 04:28 PM | Reply

"Well snoof there was that time I had to detain two guys I caught shoplifting at my former place of work."

You don't need the police to trespass someone from your property.

I guess not everyone lives in fear like you.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-16 05:07 PM | Reply

What I mean is that those people have never gotten justice and the police get to maintain their jobs, salaries and corruption.

Police unions should be exterminated - utterly and totally. Their services won't be needed if the police are re-formed properly as BLM is demanding.

Screw those who protect their guilty comrades. Their thin blue line isn't very straight whatsoever.

#22 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-12-16 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trespass? They were stealing not trespassing.

But it's not a big deal since they weren't stealing from you right?

#23 | Posted by Tor at 2020-12-16 06:21 PM | Reply

It's not a big deal because it's not a big deal.

What happened to the two guys?

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-16 06:45 PM | Reply

"What I mean is that those people have never gotten justice and the police get to maintain their jobs, salaries and corruption."

The Buffalo cops who pushed down that old man and cracked his skull are back on the job this week.

Tor, does that make you feel safer too?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-16 06:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You ever been robbed snoof?

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2020-12-16 07:54 PM | Reply

Yep, a strongarm robbery, and I called the cops. But they didn't help.

If anything, I helped them. The responding unit had a ride-along, a new trainee. She was taken aback at how much blood was on me. She seemed to convey compassion and sorrow at my plight. I wondered if she was in the right line of work.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-16 08:11 PM | Reply

So, you happy those two Buffalo cops are back on the streets?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-16 08:12 PM | Reply

I'm with Snoofy with this, there is not a single time where a police officer has made me feel safer, nor have I ever felt less safe due to a lack of police presence. So much time and effort is put into the drug war and other BS crimes that very little is left for little things like protecting and serving.

#29 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-12-16 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tor,

"We really have to do something about making sure that if cops raid a residence that they have the right one"

The sad reality is no matter how well law enforcement works, it will never be perfect.

The very nature of a surprise break-in is hard to do any other way.

I'm glad my job isn't apprehending really bad people. There's a lot of bad people out there.

btw...Snoofy and John...do we know this is a drug raid and not simply and attempt to capture someone?

Sounds like a racist insult somehow to me.....when you think about it.

Is this your thinking? Women in video is black...man being apprehended is probably black too. It must be a drug raid?

"I do apologize for bothering you tonight," was their response to her.

I would hate being a cop. What a thankless job and the public is unforgivable.

As far as her nudity....well...it's only a problem because everyone is carrying cameras.

Keep in mind throughout most of the video these trained men are more concerned with some man popping out from behind some corner with a gun than her breasts.

Most cops are good and doing their job well. This sounds like an honest mistake and handled as well as could be considering.

#30 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-17 03:54 AM | Reply

In another post I said Democrats' are becoming increasingly irrational.

To see this particular event, any other reaction than what I said is simply being irrational.

Based on the facts we were given, it sounds like someone will be informed they made a mistake and the city will apologize to the woman.

Her response will depend on her disposition.

Whoever let this video out into the public didn't do her any favors.

#31 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-17 03:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

RTFA Bill

#32 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-12-17 07:43 AM | Reply

This sounds like an honest mistake and handled as well as could be considering.

#30 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

No Bill, this isn't an honest mistake. An honest mistake occurs when people perform their due diligence and still get it wrong. This is laziness on the part of the police department at what I suspect or at least what should be several points of failure. They had all of the information on the actual suspect and no one bothered to verify the information they received from the informant. It was inexcusable negligence that results in them trampling all of this woman's privacy and any sense of security she had. If I made such a simple easy to avoid mistake on my job then I would be fired and I probably wouldn't be able to find work in my field again. This stuff happens all too often because police are allowed to act with impunity. It got Breonna Taylor and others killed. Maybe the city gets sued and tax payers get stuck with the tab but cops keep their jobs and the police unions fight any attempts to hold them accountable. Why are you ok with police across the country getting away with the same mistakes over and over again?

#33 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-12-17 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I have to wonder how the sentiment of FXXK DA PO-LEECE could ever have come to be a thing.

#34 | Posted by john47 at 2020-12-17 11:46 AM | Reply

John,

Handled on the spot I was saying. Sounds like they left.

Absolutely.. someone dropped the ball on the front end. I'm not saying that was handled well. This day and age where AI is becoming a member of the team, this is going to happen at times.

My only point is so long as there are bad guys evading the police, and some one has the job of going aftet them, and considering humans make mistakes, this is going to occur.

And how unfortunate to be a cop on this call. Someone else's fault and they will catch the heat by the public.

By irrational I mean not considering this will always be an inevitable occurancd so long as we have dangerous types in society being stopped by an imperfect system.

What should be done? Just let criminals run free?

#35 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-17 12:02 PM | Reply

Tao,

"RTFA Bill"

Your post is pretty alarming.

What you wrote is exactly what conservatives fear for the future.

I'm not a risk to myself or society but you suggest I should be in a Residential Treatment Facility.

Now THAT is the danger of the direction things may go if we're not careful.

Locking up people for no reason other than they have a different perspective.

Their only risk is spreading ideas so they need locked up.

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-17 12:15 PM | Reply

>>Locking up people for no reason other than they have a different perspective.

You mean like gathering in a mob and chanting 'Lock her up!' even though the person you're referring to hasn't committed any crimes?

#37 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2020-12-17 12:24 PM | Reply

Sch,

Not all people who wear the MAGA hat are even sane.

A 2 party system is going to have some kooks on each side.

Lock er up is over the top in my opinion.

You do know lots of conservatives had a falling out with Trump for his behavior?

#38 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-17 12:35 PM | Reply

Defund the police and see how fun it is to have you car stolen the same week.

#39 | Posted by Tor at 2020-12-17 12:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

BillJohnson, how's the weather in China?

I mean, that is, if you are there yet. You might not yet be. But the hole you have been digging for yourself on this website over the past several months, nay YEARS, must be pretty deep by now and I just thought that there would be a fairly high probability that you (if I may paraphrase the immortal words of Jim Morrison) have broken "on through to the other side."

Anyway, if you have reached China, say "hi" to comrades Brian Kemp, Brad Raffensperger and all those other seditious political chimera that your amoral, rapacious cult leader thinks are working against him. If you haven't gotten there yet, I suggest you heed the prescient warnings of Edgar Rice Burroughs and bring something more than a stone age axe (and mentality) to defend yourself from all those hollow earth monsters that find themselves in the same situation as yourself.

#40 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2020-12-17 12:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"You do know lots of conservatives had a falling out with Trump for his behavior?"

I don't see any evidence of that. Quite the contrary.

Trump votes 2016: 61,201,031
Trump votes 2020: 74,223,744

#41 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-12-17 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"As far as her nudity....well...it's only a problem because everyone is carrying cameras."

Wow. That's some callous stuff there man. It's only a problem because there was a recorded record?

Wow. Just wow.

What should be done? Just let criminals run free?

#35 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Isn't that what they did? Effectively? These kinds of mistakes can be very costly and should never happen. Not with professionals and not when guns and the use of deadly force is authorized.

While they were in the wrong house what were the real criminals doing? They were just lucky. That time. Cant say the poor victim was all that lucky.

Yet.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-12-17 01:22 PM | Reply

Hag,

You're being irrational.

If a person has conservative leaning values, do you think they won't vote for Trump and vote for a Democrat instead because they find Trump personally distasteful?

Of the 2 candidates which one has the greater likelyhood of making policy I can agree with?

And don't even get started about Russia and China. I don't trust or believe everything I'm being told. Leave it at that.

The real war being fought in this country and around the world isn't for anything tangible.

It's for control of our minds.

I'm not quick to grasp onto any opinions or facts until I've seen and read enough.

There's always new information coming out.

#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-17 01:25 PM | Reply

Pump,

You know...without the insults I'm not overly concerned at this point.

I know I do not support some of the liberal ideas I hear about, so guess where that leaves me?

Voting for Trump.

I don't get on here talking about all the players involved. I'll leave that to the "experts" on this site.

#44 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-17 01:31 PM | Reply

"You're being irrational. If a person has conservative leaning values, do you think they won't vote for Trump and vote for a Democrat instead because they find Trump personally distasteful?"

"... lots of conservatives had a falling out with Trump for his behavior..."

Which of the above two statements do you want to admit are meaningless? It has to be at least one.

#45 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-12-17 01:40 PM | Reply

"It's for control of our minds."

Actually it is our "hearts and minds" .

Personally I think it my hearts and minds and all my money too.

But do go on.

It is fun to watch you rationalize your ignorance and your vote for a corrupt fascist dictator and an all around horrible human being.

And not even a very smart one. Not like Trumpy's old best butt buddy Pooty Poot. No sir. Pooty Poot is at least a reasonably smart corrupt fascist dictator that you could be proud to vote for. Which you basically did. You voted for more of Pooty Poots type of corruption in the world.

Thx.

#46 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-12-17 01:50 PM | Reply

According to the independent, non-partisan Cook Political Report, Clinton's final tally came in at 65,844,610, compared to Donald Trump's 62,979,636, with a difference of 2,864,974. The total number of votes for other candidates was 7,804,213.

time.com

Biden 81,281,502
Trump 74,222,593
Other 2,890,510

Raw Votes vs. '16 +15.9%

cookpolitical.com

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-12-17 02:21 PM | Reply

Absolutely.. someone dropped the ball on the front end. I'm not saying that was handled well. This day and age where AI is becoming a member of the team, this is going to happen at times.
My only point is so long as there are bad guys evading the police, and some one has the job of going aftet them, and considering humans make mistakes, this is going to occur.
And how unfortunate to be a cop on this call. Someone else's fault and they will catch the heat by the public.
By irrational I mean not considering this will always be an inevitable occurancd so long as we have dangerous types in society being stopped by an imperfect system.
What should be done? Just let criminals run free?

#35 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

It wasn't just someone who dropped the ball. It was multiple people, or at least it should be because I would hope it takes more than just one cop to launch a no knock raid that puts the lives of the other cops and occupants at risk. In this case one of those people was the cop who took part in the raid who requested the warrant. The one who in the video is taken outside and talked to by the other cop. A conversation that is lost because they both turned their cameras off because they knew they f'd up.

Your "only point" isn't even valid in regard to this situation. No one here is saying cops are immune from simple mistakes because this was not just a simple mistake. This is the result a systemic failure. And by that I mean that if a single negligent cop can go get a warrant that results in a raid like this then that is a problem with the system and should have long ago been reformed. And if this is the result of negligence spread across multiple people who should have taken the simple step of verifying the address of the real suspect but did not then that is a problem with the system and should have been reformed. And I believe the reason why those protections and reforms are not in place is because police are far too often not held accountable for their actions. If cops had any concern that they might lose their jobs and/or face a lawsuit just like will happen to most of the rest of us for acts of gross negligence like this then those systemic issues would have already been addressed and this would not have happened.

#48 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-12-17 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

John,

The problem for me is people who are "cop haters" and then use stories like this to justify it.

I mean....this is a far cry from the cops who deliberately held down a black man and killed him yet your level of offense seems no less.

You are talking as if a deliberate act of violence against someone is no worse than a computer or clerical oversite. That's how it appears to me.

Or to reword it, a clerical or computer oversite is just as bad as kneeing someone till they are dead.

I can see your concern for law enforcement targeting blacks but is this really on that same plane?

You don't seem to be able to differentiate between the 2.

This doesn't really justify the same level of outrage you seem to have and I suspect you're not alone in your zealotry.

#49 | Posted by Billjohnson at 2020-12-17 03:40 PM | Reply

"Is this your thinking? Women in video is black...man being apprehended is probably black too. It must be a drug raid?"

Nope.
Is that yours?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-17 03:43 PM | Reply

"The very nature of a surprise break-in is hard to do any other way."

But you still support surprise break-ins, right, BillJohnson?
Why is that?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-17 03:45 PM | Reply

This woman certainly deserves some compensation but not revenge.

We don't know what actually was the reason but I would guess it was someone fat fingered something on a computer.

If you can't see the difference in certain scenerios, it will be much harder to zero in on problems and fix them.

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-17 03:47 PM | Reply

"I mean....this is a far cry from the cops who deliberately held down a black man and killed him yet your level of offense seems no less."

It's not that far.
It's exactly one itchy trigger finger away.

"Or to reword it, a clerical or computer oversite is just as bad as kneeing someone till they are dead."

Especially when the clerical error results in a surprise break-in.
So, why do you support surprise break-ins, more properly called No-Knock raids?

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-17 03:47 PM | Reply

I'm not quick to grasp onto any opinions or facts until I've seen and read enough.
There's always new information coming out.
#43 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

This case was from Feb. 21, 2019. Almost two years ago.
How long until you have enough information to form an opinion?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-17 03:48 PM | Reply

What should be done? Just let criminals run free?
#35 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Apparently your answer is yes.
The criminals were in fact running free while the cops were at the wrong house.
"police failed to check the bad tip that led them there" but you still don't think the police did anything wrong.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-17 03:51 PM | Reply

"Police did have bad information, CBS 2 Investigators uncovered, and they failed to do basic checks to confirm whether they had the correct address before getting the search warrant approved."

Still think the police did the right thing, BillJohnson?

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-17 03:52 PM | Reply

"CBS 2 also found police could have easily tracked the suspect's location and where he really lived because at the time of the raid, he was wearing an electronic monitoring device."

Still think the police did the right thing, BillJohnson?

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-17 03:53 PM | Reply

So, you happy those two Buffalo cops are back on the streets?
#28 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Tor?
Are you out there?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-12-17 03:58 PM | Reply

Without the War on Drugs, the practicality for No Knock Raids is rendered to zero.

Since the writing is FINALLY on the wall, seems as though some law enforcement are bending the knee.

#59 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-12-17 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

TOR-

People's cars are stolen even with full police funding.

What's your point?

#60 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-12-17 04:18 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"you still don't think the police did anything wrong."

And that's what makes a troll.

You're following up behind me claiming I said something I didn't say.

#61 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-17 06:02 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Ignoring you.

#62 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-17 06:04 PM | Reply

John,
The problem for me is people who are "cop haters" and then use stories like this to justify it.
I mean....this is a far cry from the cops who deliberately held down a black man and killed him yet your level of offense seems no less.
You are talking as if a deliberate act of violence against someone is no worse than a computer or clerical oversite. That's how it appears to me.
Or to reword it, a clerical or computer oversite is just as bad as kneeing someone till they are dead.
I can see your concern for law enforcement targeting blacks but is this really on that same plane?
You don't seem to be able to differentiate between the 2.
This doesn't really justify the same level of outrage you seem to have and I suspect you're not alone in your zealotry.

#49 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT

I'm not sure where you got any of that from what I said. Yes, I am concerned about police targeting minorities but I don't think that plays any role here. I didn't say they acted intentionally but I do think they acted recklessly and everyone involved is fortunate that the homeowner was a naked unarmed social worker instead of someone who might have produced a weapon or even opened fire thinking they were defending themselves from a breakin.
And I in no way equated this with police brutality or George Floyd. I have no idea where you came up with that notion.

What I am concerned about is, and I don't know how you failed to arrive at this since I explained it twice, is that mistakes like this happen frequently with law enforcement across the country because the cops themselves are shielded from accountability. While there is no national database that tracks no knock raids, Vox reports that there are around 20,000 carried out in the US annually. And some in law enforcement, including former New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, estimate that as many as 10% of them are carried out on the wrong address. That's 2000 per year if that estimate is accurate. And even if those law enforcement source inflated that number by 100% that's still 1000 per year.
Why should cops be held to a lower standard of accuracy than the average pizza delivery driver? These cops failed to do the simplest of verification, violated this woman's civil rights by busting down her door door with guns drawn and terrified her and what comes of it? An apology and the fund the city setup to cover lawsuits for police malfeasance has a little less money in it but the cops go on about their own consequence free business and the system doesn't change and someone else is getting their door kicked in at the wrong address again tomorrow.
When I used to drive delivery and gave the wrong order to the wrong address at least I knew better than to expect a tip when I returned with the right item. A lot of cops don't even face that much as far as consequences go.

#63 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-12-17 06:37 PM | Reply

John,

Your grievances sound legit.

I don't know as much as you about the subject.

It's a big country with thousands of cops making hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of arrests a year.

2000 per year. Yea...that sounds bad.

What do you consider a fair punishment?

What should be done to the cops that broke in her house?

#64 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-18 04:07 AM | Reply

What should be done to the cops that broke in her house?

#64 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Fired then prosecuted.

#65 | Posted by Zed at 2020-12-18 07:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Zed,

That sounds about right.

All people associated with this should have their livelihoods destroyed. Families tossed into chaos. Careers ended.

I read an informant gave the wrong address.

#66 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-18 11:05 AM | Reply

Don't imply I believe this was ok because it wasn't and she deserves compensation.

I also don't think the cops should be treated on the same par as those who are genuinely racist and harming people with intent.

#67 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-12-18 11:10 AM | Reply

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