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Wednesday, January 06, 2021

The US Capitol is on lockdown during a tense situation with demonstrators outside the building, according to Capitol police officers. A CNN employee tried to leave the building and couldn't because police said the building is on lockdown. Congress is currently in session to count and certify the Electoral College votes for president and vice president.

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There isn't any doubt.
Stop trying to find a false equivalence to rationalize the obvious differences in your attempt to make both sides "the same."

#751 | Posted by YAV at 2021-01-07 07:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yesterday's storming of the Capitol? Ugly, embarrassing, and even deadly. It amazes even me that Trump supporters would take it that far....and that we would let them.

#750 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-01-07 07:43 AM | FLAG:

How many people do you want to shoot in the face for minor property damage? With the high proportion of anti-maskers and the propensity to go to repeat protests as it is their hobby, enforcement after the incident has never been easier.

#752 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-07 07:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This "I'm so cool I don't care about this" pose is getting old, Eberly. Take it someplace else. We don't care whether you care.

#257 | POSTED BY RCADE

How many times was I referenced on this thread yesterday? (biggest thread you've had in a long time, BTW)

Are you sure nobody cares whether I care? Hell, some people posted specifically referencing what my motivations are.

Some ------ upthread called me a "bore"? who does that? I ignore the bores here...I don't address them.

Hate me all you want....but you're full of ----. I simply didn't agree with the 9/11 comparison and I thought the "---- you!!" had gone far enough.

Apparently you didn't.

Good for you. There was a time when you wouldn't tolerate such language being thrown at someone. Today, apparently, you are fine with it but have a larger problem with someone trying to stay above it.

Your site...your rules. Do whatever you want.

#753 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 07:54 AM | Reply

-How many people do you want to shoot in the face for minor property damage?

Good question. Inside the US Capitol, I can understand taking a different approach with regards to property damage and trespassing.

#754 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 08:01 AM | Reply

751

I don't know who you are talking to or what about.

#755 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 08:01 AM | Reply

The some very reliable posters here, like JPW and others that today I can't agree with on one point. This is a disastrous day for the US but it's not close to 9/11.

POSTED BY CRISISSTILLS

9/11 were coordinated physical attacks on BUILDINGS through acts of foreign-born terrorism that cost 3000 American lives but never threatened the continuation or legitimacy of the US Government.

1/6 was a coordinated attack on the US Government and its lawful functioning instigated by the sitting PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES that used propaganda and lies - first to rally a mob of thousands within yards of the US Capitol building, whipping them into a frenzy by spewing vitriol and conspiracies, and then siccing them upon members of Congress and the house of US Government, which they proceeded to sack and pillage as hundreds were forced to seek shelter in fear for their lives from American citizens waving flags of allegiance to one man's power lust while desecrating the citadel of democracy.

This was an attempted coup against the US Constitution led by a President committing crimes against America seeking to overturn the constitutional procedure that codifies the legitimacy of his opponent to assume his office through the constitutionally defined process codifying our election's results - a process and results when challenged in court was upheld by over 90 US judges.

1/6 is exponentially worse than 9/11 could ever be. 9/11 brought every American - those personally affected along with those not - TOGETHER in unity to defend the country instead of splinter as the attackers hoped would happen. 1/6 was an act to DIVIDE Americans against each other through the lies and malignancy of a mentally-ill demagogue who places personal allegiance to him above his oath to the Constitution - IOW the person given the most power and responsibility to defend our government and its processes - instead threw gasoline on the entire edifice of our laws and government in service only to him.

Insurrection and terrorism exist on two separate planes that possibly intersect. 9/11 was merely terrorism. 1/6 was both.

#756 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-01-07 08:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Yesterday's storming of the Capitol? Ugly, embarrassing, and even deadly. It amazes even me that Trump supporters would take it that far....and that we would let them.
But I don't have the same level of concern of how much our world will change after what happened yesterday."

I think a lot depends on what happens in the next few weeks. What does Trump do and encourage his supporters to do? What do the most radical Trump supporters do? Do they go quietly into that good night? Do they storm state capitals, perhaps with weapons and plans to kidnap, try and execute Democratic officials and Republican officials they deem are not sufficiently loyal to Trump? Do they go after judges who they think have betrayed Trump? Or something in-between? What do Republican officials, on the local, state and federal, do and say during that time? Do they acknowledge Biden's victory, or do they keep pushing discredited conspiracy theories about a stolen election?

#757 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-07 08:14 AM | Reply

The Republican Party is a terrorist organization.

#758 | Posted by anton at 2021-01-07 08:23 AM | Reply

I finally understood on a visceral level how brother turned against brother during the civil war. As I've mentioned, a number of my family members are Trump supporters and believe a lot of the conspiracy theories he spouts. They are entitled to their opinions and to espousing them, but if they decided to take up arms against the rest of the country in defense of Trump, that would be it for me. I hope it would never come to that, but I understand how someone who believes the things Trump is telling them about the election being stolen from them might be motivated to participate in an armed insurrection. The problem is they have been brainwashed by disinformation and propaganda, and like cult members, are beyond appeals to reason and reality.

#759 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-07 08:25 AM | Reply

Was yesterday, on its own, comparable to 9/11?

No.

At least not as far as the death toll is concerned. But it still was a BFD and something that could easily be called the single most significant event in this country since 9/11.

But was yesterday the cap on a Presidency that time will show to be as damaging to our country as 9/11? Something that is going to have serious repercussions for our country and that will take decades to recover from? Arguably yes.

I don't think anything you posted yesterday necessarily warranted a GFY, though several other posters may have been overdue for it, and the events of yesterday certainly were a reasonable trigger. But I'm also somebody who doesn't think that being told to GFY is some pearl clutching, beyond the pale insult. Maybe that's just the New Yorker in me.

That said, your go along to get along philosophy, which may have a place in the world you live in a thousand miles away, debatably so, was out of place on this thread. Taking a meta, above it all, approach was taken as belittling the anger, fear, and frustration that yesterday generated in many of us. The reaction you got was predictable and understandable. You're smart enough to know that and could have done better.

Are we all some random no name people on the internet? Yes and no. Rcade and a few others here have chosen to share their real identities with us, but let's not kid ourselves after 15+ years posting here that we don't know one another as much as a forum like this will allow. That is why your words, and the reaction you got from them, were so hurtful to one another.

#760 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2021-01-07 08:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"first to rally a mob of thousands within yards of the US Capitol building, whipping them into a frenzy by spewing vitriol and conspiracies, and then siccing them upon members of Congress and the house of US Government, which they proceeded to sack and pillage as hundreds were forced to seek shelter in fear for their lives from American citizens waving flags of allegiance to one man's power lust while desecrating the citadel of democracy."

Until they "sack and pillaged" the building, it was a legal protest.

I would hope that Pence and the leadership from both parties would tell Trump this...."if you utter one more ------- comment or instigate anything like this again, we will ------- throw your ass in jail and charge you with everything possible under the law".

In fact, that should happen right now.

#761 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 08:38 AM | Reply

757

fair questions. I hope they shut this down. Not peaceful protests outside state capitols....I'm talking about what Trump or any other elected official does to incite such actions like yesterday.

#762 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 08:41 AM | Reply

"But I'm also somebody who doesn't think that being told to GFY is some pearl clutching, beyond the pale insult. Maybe that's just the New Yorker in me."

If the same people who hurled that out could take the same hurled at them, then you have a point.

but there is no way in the world that is true.

"Taking a meta, above it all, approach was taken as belittling the anger, fear, and frustration that yesterday generated in many of us."

Agreed.

"Was yesterday, on its own, comparable to 9/11?
No."

A point you're comfortable making now.....but it wasn't such a comfortable point to make yesterday around 2 PM

I was comfortable making that point at the time. And you're right, the responses were predictable.

Almost all responses here are very predictable.

#763 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 08:51 AM | Reply

Until they "sack and pillaged" the building, it was a legal protest.

And so was every non-violent protest ever held - before its participants started violating laws.

Obviously I'm speaking from a hindsight view, speaking to the actions after they've been done and looking at how the build-up to the point of illegality catalyzed the eventuality of what did happen.

There is no need to talk about how lawful a gunman was being until the point the trigger was pulled releasing the bullets which then caused the injury.

#764 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-01-07 09:00 AM | Reply

764

that brings up a question....were any of the protesters who entered the Capitol building armed?

#765 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 09:04 AM | Reply

-which may have a place in the world you live in a thousand miles away

Does anybody here think their address renders their opinion more relevant and more important?

Unless you live in DC and work in or near the US Capitol, I don't see how anyone's address matters.

I have a daughter who has already been hired to intern for our congressman this summer.

IOW, she will be working in the very place this occurred yesterday.

Anybody else here have more skin in the game than me?

#766 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 09:07 AM | Reply

"If the same people who hurled that out could take the same hurled at them, then you have a point."

So you were just trolling pretending to have a problem with it?

"A point you're comfortable making now"

This thread was moving fast yesterday and you can't be expected to opine on every subject raised.

"Does anybody here think their address renders their opinion more relevant and more important?"

I wasn't suggesting that.

"I have a daughter who has already been hired to intern for our congressman this summer."

That makes your behavior less understandable, not more.

#767 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2021-01-07 09:41 AM | Reply

that brings up a question....were any of the protesters who entered the Capitol building armed?
#765 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-01-07 09:04 AM | FLAG:

Does a spear count?

There were 55 arrests so we'll have to wait and sort through the charges to see if anybody managed to get caught with a firearm inside the capitol.

#768 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-07 10:02 AM | Reply

Viking guy apparently brings a spear to every protest as his flag pole. Giant blade on the end of that thing, definitely lethal.

#769 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-07 10:02 AM | Reply

"They are entitled to their opinions and to espousing them, but if they decided to take up arms against the rest of the country in defense of Trump, that would be it for me. I hope it would never come to that, but I understand how someone who believes the things Trump is telling them about the election being stolen from them might be motivated to participate in an armed insurrection. "

I am so very glad I was not there. Glad I don't have to live with what I would have done to defend my Capitol.

I think I would be dead or severely injured. But many would have gone with me. I think the ratio is 10 to 1 for a marine.

100 to 1 if we are armed.

Semper Fi.

#770 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-07 10:21 AM | Reply

"There were 55 arrests ..."

A drop in the bucket. The FBI has a lot of work to do today.

There needs to be about a thousand more.

#771 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-07 10:32 AM | Reply

A drop in the bucket. The FBI has a lot of work to do today.
There needs to be about a thousand more.

#771 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2021-01-07 10:32 AM | FLAG:

If we're making a betting pool, I'd go with total arrests related to this at 150 playing out over a couple months.

#772 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-07 11:05 AM | Reply

Start the arrests in the Oval Office!

#773 | Posted by LiquidCake at 2021-01-07 11:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And now for something completely different:

Throwing Muses--Dizzy

#774 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-07 11:30 AM | Reply

Wow... people are really still not saying this is bigger than 9/11?

I really thought Eberly would come to Jesus, but apparently he's doubled down.

I've said for years that Too Big to Fail was worse for the country than 9/11.

This was a literal assault on our institution of government by it's own citizens.

The only thing worse than yesterday was the Civil War.

Maybe I'm overeducated, but I understand the long-term ramifications of yesterday. I've seen this happen to dozens of governments.

We withstood 9/11, we kind of got past Too Big to Fail,

I pray we will withstand this.

I hope my gut is wrong.

#775 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-01-07 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I have a daughter who has already been hired to intern for our congressman this summer.
IOW, she will be working in the very place this occurred yesterday.
Anybody else here have more skin in the game than me?

#766 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-01-07 09:07 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Since neither her nor I were there yesterday, I will bite.

In 2008, I interviewed for the position that would have essentially been the person in charge of evacuating the senators from the Capitol. I interviewed for the Transportation Services Manager.

I pulled a "57 states" during the interview. I meant to say that I knew the layout for the Senators of all 50 states but I said that I knew that layout for all 50 senators. I didn't realize my slip until I was corrected, and by then you could tell the interview was "over."

Granted it would be highly unlikely I would have had the same position twelve years later, but I feel like I got some skin in the game, that and what I understand academically about populist/dictatorial regimes.

#776 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-01-07 11:40 AM | Reply

A drop in the bucket. The FBI has a lot of work to do today.
There needs to be about a thousand more.

#771 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2021-01-07 10:32 AM | FLAG:

If we're making a betting pool, I'd go with total arrests related to this at 150 playing out over a couple months.

#772 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

I will take that bet. The FBI just set up a website to report terrorist violations of our capitol.

I will stick with around 1 thousand.

These people were terrorists and committed terrorist acts and should be treated accordingly.

#777 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-07 11:43 AM | Reply

They plan on holding each and every one accountable.

And I support that. We are still responsible for our actions in this world. I don't care who convinced us to do it.

They committed acts of terror and treason. Arrest every single one of them.

And you will get a thousand dollar award if you can provide information that leads to an arrest!

#778 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-07 11:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

White privilege runs amok!

#779 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2021-01-07 11:55 AM | Reply

Question: What do you think the response by authorities would have been yesterday if the 'protesters' had been carrying BLM banners and had been marching to the Capital in SUPPORT of Congress following the processes proscribed by the US Constitution?

OCU

#780 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-01-07 11:56 AM | Reply

#780

2,120 dead after the second worst terrorist attack in the history of the U.S.

The authorities tried to show restraint due to the sensitivity of the issue, but when they were overwhelmed they were forced to defend themselves.

#781 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-01-07 11:59 AM | Reply

#714 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Good god man! Get control of that woman! SHE'S INSATIABLE!

#715 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Thank you for your concern!!

Everything is fine now. I took care it. It was just a small problem. Easily taken care of by hand. I am a lucky man. And very relaxed this morning.

#782 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-07 12:04 PM | Reply

Everyone calm down. Trump was just joking!

#783 | Posted by LiquidCake at 2021-01-07 12:04 PM | Reply

In related alternative news:

President Hillary Clinton watches as the 368 Electoral votes for her replacement are counted. Clinton, who faced impeachment and large-scale condemnation for her administration's failure to contain the novel Coronavirus pandemic that killed almost 6,000 Americans, or double the amount of people killed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Americans from both parties have acknowledged a sense of relief, and that "Clinton fatigue" has largely derailed efforts to cohesively manage the out of control pandemic.

#784 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-01-07 12:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

" Everyone calm down. Trump was just joking!"

Schrdinger's Douchebag
A guy who says offensive things and decides whether he was joking based on the reaction of people around him.

tinyurl.com

#785 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2021-01-07 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-Wow... people are really still not saying this is bigger than 9/11?

No, they aren't. Where are you seeing anyone making that comparison?

NY Times?
CNN?

-The only thing worse than yesterday was the Civil War.

How old are you? seriously....how old were you on 9/11?

-We withstood 9/11, we kind of got past Too Big to Fail

9/11 eventually killed millions of people. Changed lives forever in so many ways....all over the entire globe.

And you still think I'M doubling down on yesterday....and you're not?

Who agrees with you?

#786 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 12:12 PM | Reply

-Question: What do you think the response by authorities would have been yesterday if the 'protesters' had been carrying BLM banners and had been marching to the Capital in SUPPORT of Congress following the processes proscribed by the US Constitution?

Depends...in this scenario, do the protestors attempt to storm the building and enter like they did yesterday?

If yes...then it would have stayed outside. I doubt they would have allowed BLM protestors inside the building. deadly force would have been used outside to prevent that.

#787 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 12:17 PM | Reply

On 9/11 the American people on the plane destined for the Capital building fought back and the plane went down in a field instead. Yesterday those were American people attacking our Capital building. I think one of those things is worse than the other... especially when you consider that the current POTUS stirred up the hornets nest and sent them there!

#788 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2021-01-07 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not in any measurable way.
Is it unprecedented? Yes. Significant? Yes

And that's precisely why you're wrong. You think only in terms of body counts and damage to buildings ect.

For me it's more about the size and reach of the monster behind the act.

This monster is here. It's us.

Is that more abstract than 9/11? Absolutely. But we shouldn't ignore the abstract because we don't understand it or to avoid the uncomfortable conclusions it brings.

I think the level of anger and hostility displayed yesterday on this thread was driven NOT by what was done or what happened.....it was all about WHO did it. You're all so upset with Trump and his supporters, you chose to elevate the events of yesterday to 9/11.

Again, I posit your ignorance of history.

This was the first time our capital building was seized since 1814 during the War of 1812. The first time by citizens of this country.

I also think that playing significantly into your opinion is the same complacent, "this can't happen here" attitude that made so many surprised this happened despite all the warning signs blinking bright red for weeks before.

If you think this is over you're a fool. If you can't see why internal, civil strife is worse than an attack from others you're a fool.

But to those of you who were blogging angry yesterday.....take some responsibility for your choices.
#750 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Save your ignorant chiding for somebody who cares.

#789 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#756 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I wish I could give you more than one NW flag.

#790 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 12:29 PM | Reply

-For me it's more about the size and reach of the monster behind the act.

No doubt, that's the worst part of this.

-This was the first time our capital building was seized since 1814 during the War of 1812.

Seized? I read the definition of that term....I'm not sure that's what happened. At no time did the protestors have control of the Capitol. They were allowed in and went too far. If our govt felt like the Capitol building was susceptible to being "seized"....I'm confident the response would have been different. They "entered" and "occupied" parts of the building they shouldn't have and were acting in a threatening manner and destroying property. It was cause for deadly force to protect the building, IMO. THAT is significant.

But I think "seizing" is too strong of a term.

-Again, I posit your ignorance of history

See your last sentence in #789, Mr. History teacher.

I remember 9/11. I had a job, wife, children, business interests, and investments when 9/11 happened. I had clients that were impacted by 9/11 tremendously.

So, you'll just have to live with the fact that I consider my perspective superior to yours.

#791 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 12:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How old are you? seriously....how old were you on 9/11?

I love it how you keep saying this. It's like asking Trumpers for evidence of widespread voter fraud (already knowing what the "evidence" is and how poor it stands up to scrutiny) and getting "do your research!" as a response.

Considering many of us have been posting here for about 15 years that puts the youngest of us in our mid thirties at least. Plenty old to remember 9/11.

9/11 eventually killed millions of people. Changed lives forever in so many ways....all over the entire globe.

You're leveling decades of consequences separated by many degrees from the initiating event (9/11) to compare against a single day.

On a single day vs single day comparison I put this above 9/11. Now if Pence 25th amendments Trump's ass and this fizzles you'll be correct.

But again, this isn't over. The ugliness that bubbled over yesterday has been simmering too long to simply go away now.

#792 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 12:43 PM | Reply

Eb is now parsing words, time to plonk him for a while

#793 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-01-07 12:45 PM | Reply

Seized? I read the definition of that term....I'm not sure that's what happened. At no time did the protestors have control of the Capitol.

How do you figure? They had officials in safe rooms. A woman was shot and killed breaching the last defense Secret Service barrier of an unknown official.

But they didn't have control?

There are pictures of a MAGA douchebag sitting with his feet up on Pelosi's desk, which he stole mail from.

But they didn't have control?

The Q Shaman ------- was standing on the Senate dais with his hands raised.

But they didn't have control?

Pictures were posted on Twitter by insurrectionists showing computer screens displaying the emails warning of the intrusion on aid's computers.

But they didn't have control?

The EC ballots were only saved by the quick thinking and action of an aid (to Pence IIRC).

For the final time, they didn't have control?

The only reason it didn't last was because they weren't prepared to make the next step. This was mouth breathing anger by people who luckily didn't plan more than one step ahead.

#794 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 12:48 PM | Reply

-You're leveling decades of consequences separated by many degrees from the initiating event (9/11) to compare against a single day.

Actually, that's what you are doing by declaring yesterday to be worse.

I'm saying yesterday was not and is not bigger than 9/11 in any measurable way.........yet.

When it heads that direction then I'll retract.

#795 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 12:49 PM | Reply

See your last sentence in #789, Mr. History teacher.

Sometimes your inner Trumper slips through. Proud ignorance is one of those times.

I remember 9/11. I had a job, wife, children, business interests, and investments when 9/11 happened. I had clients that were impacted by 9/11 tremendously.

So do I.

The rest is meaningless drivel.

So, you'll just have to live with the fact that I consider my perspective superior to yours.
#791 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Of course you do, you even have a list of irrelevant reasons to back your opinion! Good for you.

Unfortunately for you the significance of world events is decided on planes much higher than Eberly from the Drudge retort and his job, wife, kids, investments and clients.

#796 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 12:50 PM | Reply

-For the final time, they didn't have control?

no

#797 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 12:51 PM | Reply

Actually, that's what you are doing by declaring yesterday to be worse.

No. That's your interpretation of what I said.

When I said 9/11 I meant 9/11.

Not the GWoT. Not the Iraq debacle.

Just 9/11.

#798 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 12:51 PM | Reply

no

#797 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Then there's no reason to continue this conversation.

You're denying the obvious. Why? I don't know but I do know it's been your MO to downplay and ignore the danger Trump has represented for four years. It makes complete sense that you'd deny and downplay his grand finale.

#799 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 12:53 PM | Reply

798

Even if we ignored everything that happened after 9/11, we still don't have 2 massive buildings on the ground, 4 planes crashed, Pentagon on fire, thousands dead, etc.....

All we have yesterday is a building that was breached (not seized) and an outgoing president who was complicit in the breach.

Big deal....but I'll never compare it to 9/11.

#800 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 12:56 PM | Reply

-It makes complete sense that you'd deny and downplay his grand finale.

But it might not be his grand finale. remember that......

#801 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 12:58 PM | Reply

"At no time did the protestors have control of the Capitol. They were allowed in and went too far. If our govt felt like the Capitol building was susceptible to being "seized"....I'm confident the response would have been different."
They didn't send in FBI tactical teams for no reason:

Frank Figliuzzi
@FrankFigliuzzi1

19h
FBI tactical teams are inside the Capitol: @FBI

twitter.com

#802 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-07 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-The only reason it didn't last was because they weren't prepared to make the next step

I think they were shocked they were allowed in the building.

They had no next step. Without weapons and an intent to start killing people in an attempt to actually control the building, they had nowhere else to go.

#803 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 01:01 PM | Reply

"JPW is now inventing definitions, time to plonk Eberly for a while"

ft

#804 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 01:03 PM | Reply

Fort Sumter, April 12 1861
"There were no deaths on either side as a direct result of this engagement, although a gun explosion during the surrender ceremonies on April 14 caused two Union deaths."

#805 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-01-07 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

-They didn't send in FBI tactical teams for no reason:"

Was the building seized, in your opinion?

Or is that an overreach?

The sent in the tactical team for good reason....but not because the building was controlled by protesters.

#806 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 01:05 PM | Reply

I think the building was overrun by the rioters for a time. During that time, the capitol was not under the control of law enforcement. I don't think that what happened yesterday was as bad as 9/11. It had that potential, and as the scene was unfolding, no one knew what would happen. If the rioters had kidnapped or killed the VP, VP-elect or members of Congress, I would say that would have been worse than 9/11. Fortunately, Pence, Grassley, Harris and Pelosi were whisked to safety, and the other members of Congress barricaded themselves until law enforcement cleared the capitol and regained control of it.

#807 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-07 01:17 PM | Reply

I'll never compare it to 9/11.
#800 | POSTED BY EBERLY

That's fine.

Like I was saying yesterday. It's all a matter of perspective.

For some people, the Capitol Building being so easily overrun and overwhelmed, was a big deal. It's symbolic of how weak Trump has made this nation and how dangerous his cult is.

I'm not sure if this helps. But, Iran was a liberal Middle Eastern nation back in the 60s and 70s. Everyone loved western liberalism, wore the latest fashions from Paris, rock and roll, miniskirts, and Hollywood movies were everywhere. Sounded like it was a great time to be an Iranian. But a bunch of religious conservative idiots stormed the capitol and literally turned the nation into a hard core, conservative, Theocratic hell hole.

Luckily. Thankfully. That didn't happen yesterday. I wasn't worried it would happen. But it's difficult in life to know when you're living through a moment that will change the world forever.

#808 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-01-07 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

They had no next step. Without weapons and an intent to start killing people in an attempt to actually control the building, they had nowhere else to go.
#803 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Not true. Some did have weapons.

www.reddit.com

Some in that crowd were very much prepared to go further than posing for selfies and milling around.

#809 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 01:26 PM | Reply

Even if we ignored everything that happened after 9/11, we still don't have 2 massive buildings on the ground, 4 planes crashed, Pentagon on fire, thousands dead, etc.....
All we have yesterday is a building that was breached (not seized) and an outgoing president who was complicit in the breach.
Big deal....but I'll never compare it to 9/11.

#800 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Because your brain only grasps the tangible, physical aspects. If you can't go beyond that then I can't make you understand my position.

Finally, it was seized. You're playing semantics games to downplay it but for several hours there was complete control of the capital outside of a few safe spots guarded by Secret Service.

That they left because they were unprepared for the next step doesn't change that fact.

#810 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 01:31 PM | Reply

On October 16, 1859, John Brown lead an assault on the federal arsenal at Harper's Ferry VA. His goal was to start a slave revolt. It failed, quickly.

The impact, however, was tremendous. It was the last major event prior to the the attempts at secession following Lincoln's victory. It lead to Lincoln's election. It was the manifestation of southern fears.

So, to think that an attack on the Capitol like happened yesterday is not something to be concerned about, or reaches a level of 9/11 in impact, well you are being nave. That assault reflects the divisions in this country, which will only be exacerbated by the ongoing and coming economic strife. We may very well see that this assault was a changing point to a radical new direction for our country.

John Brown is a fascinating figure in our nation's history-from his trial:
"Had I so interfered in behalf of the rich, the powerful, the intelligent, the so-called great, or in behalf of any of their friends, either father, mother, brother, sister, wife, or children, or any of that class, and suffered and sacrificed what I have in this interference, it would have been all right; and every man in this court would have deemed it an act worthy of reward rather than punishment."

You think that class injustice is a relatively recent phenomenon?

#811 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-01-07 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But it's difficult in life to know when you're living through a moment that will change the world forever.
#808 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

It's impossible.

Last night while lying in bed trying to sleep I realized something. I was thinking how whenever you read about significant historical events you feel like it must have felt different. That the change would be palpable and people must have known a storm was coming.

But I realized that's not true. For the vast vast vast majority of people it's just another day. I took my dog out, shut the lights, brushed my teeth...

Nothing felt different. There was no palpable sense of change despite change being very much here.

#812 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 01:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

$750,000,000,000 per year on defense and our capitol is breached in 20 minutes by Duck Dynasty and Chewbacca in a bikini.

#813 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-01-07 01:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

So, to think that an attack on the Capitol like happened yesterday is not something to be concerned about, or reaches a level of 9/11 in impact, well you are being nave.

Some can only think in terms of body counts and property damage. There's no explaining to them, but they'll get it (I hope) when the next steps fall into place.

#814 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 01:36 PM | Reply

#808 - I think that was a great post.
#813 - visually stunning representation.

#815 | Posted by YAV at 2021-01-07 01:42 PM | Reply

#785 Hagbard

That "Trump was just joking" was sarcasm with expectations of seeing that card pulled in the near future...if not already.

I was reminding everyone one of the justifications used by Trump supporters to explain away outrageous speech or behavior that got us here.

Thanks for the educational link.

#816 | Posted by LiquidCake at 2021-01-07 01:43 PM | Reply

$750,000,000,000 per year on defense and our capitol is breached in 20 minutes by Duck Dynasty and Chewbacca in a bikini.

#813 | POSTED BY NIXON AT 2021-01-07 01:35 PM | FLAG:

lol, stop stealing Yousef's tweets uncredited like that.

#817 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-07 01:44 PM | Reply

So, anyone still think Kathy Griffin was wrong, for holding Trump's severed head?
She knew exactly what was coming. Republicans pretended they didn't.

The Faux Outrage was off the charts!
Remember, Eberly?

#818 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-07 02:00 PM | Reply

FWIW, my Congressman was on the radio this morning talking about yesterday's events. He said the building he was on was surrounded by rioters on 3 sides. Scary stuff.

#819 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-07 02:05 PM | Reply

anyone still think Kathy Griffin was wrong, for holding Trump's severed head?

It was shock art and didn't deserve the reaction it received.

If Trump wasn't the president at the time, I doubt anyone would have cared about the picture.

#820 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-01-07 02:11 PM | Reply

"But it's difficult in life to know when you're living through a moment that will change the world forever."

Okay, fair enough but I knew it on 9/11. I knew when the planes hit the buildings those moments were changing the world forever.

"Some can only think in terms of body counts and property damage"

Well, I do tend to value human life and I measure the significance of events on how it impacts....you know....how many people killed or hurt.

-If you can't go beyond that then I can't make you understand my position.

beyond that to where?

#821 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 02:22 PM | Reply

Is it as damaging to the USA as 9/11? Not physically, but psychologically it is.
The fact that the Faux/Cruz Nexus is claiming this was "Antifa" if pathetic. Own it. You helped create it.

#822 | Posted by DMTDust at 2021-01-07 02:26 PM | Reply

"It's symbolic of how weak Trump has made this nation and how dangerous his cult is.

It was.

In fact, you introduced a term that I expected to see yesterday on this thread.

Maybe it was used but I missed through all the GFYs being hurled.

And perhaps that what JPW is trying to say....the symbolism of the Capitol being "seized" by our own citizens.

-So, to think that an attack on the Capitol like happened yesterday is not something to be concerned about, or reaches a level of 9/11 in impact, well you are being nave.

I never said it wasn't something to be concerned about so I don't know why you deflect with crap like that. But it doesn't reach a level of 9/11.

Maybe I'm being....nave.

#823 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 02:27 PM | Reply

-our capitol is breached in 20 minutes by Duck Dynasty and Chewbacca in a bikini.

That's dismissing the events of yesterday way more than I did.

You'll notice that most here find the events of yesterday more significant than that and the perpetrators were more dangerous than the way you've characterized it.

#824 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 02:30 PM | Reply

"But it doesn't reach a level of 9/11."

The insurrectionists are, generally speaking, the same people who don't wear masks, protest masks, and storm state capitals because of masks.

Which means the death toll these people have incurred goes past the level of 9/11.

#825 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-07 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-For the vast vast vast majority of people it's just another day.

for most people, yesterday was just another day.

If anybody feels yesterday was worse when compared 9/11...then they need to explain how, exactly, it was.

Did we shut the stock market down?

No...actually it was left open and WENT UP. today as well.

Eventually, you have to make the argument the security and stability of our country is in more jeopardy than it was on 9-12-01.

I remember 9-12, and 9-13, etc....

I remember 6 and 9 months later and the video/images of ground zero (it has a name....ground zero).

I remember the World Series....do you think we'll reference yesterday at the Superbowl in a few weeks?

How long will the news broadcast this event? It's running huge now...but for how long?

Any guesses? This assumes we don't experience more attacks.

If you're predicting such....then we'll just have to wait and see.

#826 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 02:39 PM | Reply

Anybody see the photos of the guy climbing over chairs in the House chamber with the holstered gun and the fist full of. zip ties? And the Tacticool phone holster, which was probably used to live stream, or record his participation in the insurrection. A real American patriot.

I'll post if anybody hasn't seen it yet.

#827 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2021-01-07 02:40 PM | Reply

-The insurrectionists are, generally speaking, the same people who don't wear masks, protest masks, and storm state capitals because of masks.

ironically, many were wearing masks......

#828 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 02:42 PM | Reply

"Which means the death toll these people have incurred goes past the level of 9/11."

you're funny.

#829 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 02:44 PM | Reply

Scene in Oval Office Last Night
Steven Miller: "War's over, man. Pence dropped the big one
-------: What? Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when Antifa stormed the Capitol? Hell no!...
It ain't over now, 'cause when the goin' gets tough, the tough get goin'. Who's with me? Let's go! Come on!...(He ran to the front door but no one followed him)
------- (returning): What the ---- happened to the GOP I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. 'Ooh, we're afraid to go with you, -------, we might get in trouble.' (shouting) Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Pence, he's a dead man! McConnell, dead! Graham...
Guilianni: Dead! -------'s right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now, we could fight 'em with conventional weapons. That could take years and cost millions of lives. No, in this case, I think we have to go all out. I think this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
We're just the guys to do it...LET'S DO IT!

#830 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-01-07 02:46 PM | Reply

I'll never compare it to 9/11.
#800 | POSTED BY EBERLY

What do you compare it to?

Attack on the USS Cole maybe?

BIombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon?

Boston Marathon bombers?

Or maybe just a small school shooting as only 4 died.

But it was the US capitol. A building not breached and ransacked since the British attacked and burned it in 1812.

So. The war of 1812 then?

#831 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-07 03:06 PM | Reply

Since so many of you asked: imgur.com

#832 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2021-01-07 03:12 PM | Reply

831

excellent question. I'm glad someone asked finally.

Within the choices you offered.....a school shooting in terms of how it impacts most people.

But you're right....it's the US Capitol.

#833 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 03:17 PM | Reply

-If you can't go beyond that then I can't make you understand my position.
beyond that to where?
#821 | POSTED BY EBERLY

LOL thank you for proving my point.

There is massive significance yesterday in myriad ways that go beyond the physical consequences.

#834 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 03:23 PM | Reply

834

go on....go where?

#835 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 03:25 PM | Reply

"Which means the death toll these people have incurred goes past the level of 9/11."
you're funny.
#829 | POSTED BY EBERLY

What's funny about (checks today's number) 372,169 dead Americans, Ebelry?

#836 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-07 03:25 PM | Reply

#832 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

That bro even had the Punisher skull over the American flag on his tactical bib!
Just imagine what his pickup looks like. All black murdered out F-150 with the $80,000 upgrade to Patriot Transformer Velociraptor package.

#837 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-01-07 03:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

836

oh, you got me there....I said COVID deaths were funny....

oh wait, no I didn't...I said YOU were funny.

and you are....and cute.

#838 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 03:26 PM | Reply

ironically, many were wearing masks......
#828 | POSTED BY EBERLY

"Many" I guess many can mean "a small minority." When you're a Republican.

#839 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-07 03:26 PM | Reply

832

That guy should be dead or facing 25 years in prison.

#840 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I remember the World Series....do you think we'll reference yesterday at the Superbowl in a few weeks?

No, and I talked about why yesterday.

An attack from without has a galvanizing effect on a country, which we saw following 9/11.

An attack from within tends to widen rifts and salt already painful wounds.

9/11 was a predictable action by people who were tired of being our doormat.

Yesterday was a predictable action by people who want to destroy our country and shared values and reshape it in their preferred vision.

9/11 was only a bloody nose. Yesterday was a ---- wrist. Let's hope we don't bleed out.

#841 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I didn't...I said YOU were funny.
and you are....and cute.
#838 | POSTED BY EBERLY

^
So you'd rather talk about me, than address the very real issue that this was, among other things, a Super Spreader Event.
So you'd rather not talk about the fact that these insurrectionists made choices (besides insurrection) that are going to get Americans killed.

I accept that you do not want to talk to funny, cute people. The best you can do is talk about them.

#842 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-07 03:29 PM | Reply

-Yesterday was a predictable action by people who want to destroy our country and shared values and reshape it in their preferred vision.

Beyond Trump winning a 2nd term they're convinced he was robbed of....what is their "preferred vision"?

I saw the rebel flags being carried around so I can guess what some of it is but is there more?

Again, beyond a Trump victory...what else do these lunatics want?

I'm not disagreeing with you on this part.....and perhaps this is why I'm being so "nave" about the impact and significance......but I realize I haven't cared all that much about motivations.

Not that it's not important, because it is....but I don't focus on that like you do.

So, I'll give you credit there.

#843 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 03:34 PM | Reply

-So you'd rather talk about me,

no, I wouldn't. Nor talk TO you.

#844 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 03:35 PM | Reply

"Again, beyond a Trump victory...what else do these lunatics want?"

Depends on Trump's mood at any given moment.

#845 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2021-01-07 03:37 PM | Reply

"Again, beyond a Trump victory...what else do these lunatics want?"

I've come to the conclusion that many of them just want to cosplay with guns, wreck ----, and beat people up, comforted by the bond of belonging to a group.

#846 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-01-07 03:47 PM | Reply

go on....go where?

#835 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Think of the philosophical underpinning of people willing to do what they did yesterday.

Sure, we make derogatory statements about them being stupid and snowflakes and yokels. But even if true they're still there. They're still willing to storm our US capital and, at least some of them, ziptie government officials at gunpoint.

Now remember there were "protests" at state capitals across the country as well at the same time this was going on.

So we have nationwide distribution of people willing to violently attack government at the federal and, I think it's safe to say, state levels.

So where does that leave us? That leaves us at a place where people who talk about civil war are putting their money where their mouths are, because that's what the next incident like this means. Civil war.

Now you're probably thinking "but they stand no chance against our military" but that's naive. They're not going to go toe to toe with the military. It will be sporadic political violence that smolders and flares, think IRA type stuff. Car bombs. Political assassinations. Once a few county or local Democratic officials are found shot to death in the living rooms who's going to step up and take that position? Once a few "disloyal" Republicans are found hanging from trees in their yards who's going to be "disloyal" again?

Active military can't be deployed within US borders and if they could be, what would they do? Start kicking in doors, arresting people and interrogating to find the insurrectionists like it's Fallujah?? We couldn't successfully do that in Iraq! And that was in a country where if our troops were taking fire they'd have no qualms calling in a A-10 to strafe a tree line or an F-18 to drop a JDAM on a house.

Yesterday the right crossed the Rubicon. And I would postulate mostly the really dumb ones like the chick from Tennessee went there. The smart ones that we really have to worry about? The knew that storming the capital was a quick way to be identified because it's one of the most video monitored places on Earth. They weren't going there to be flagged as a national security risk.

I could be entirely wrong, of course. But one doesn't step off that cliff if there's no intentions of continuing the fight.

#847 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 03:48 PM | Reply

Beyond Trump winning a 2nd term they're convinced he was robbed of....what is their "preferred vision"?

A white, Christian America ruled by "Godly," probably explicitly Biblical, values where minorities know their place and they're the upper crust.

Where socialism is not an option (because they don't want to support "those people") except when it benefits them.

Where education isn't "indoctrination" that teaches kids gays are OK, evolution is real and the earth is 4 billion years old.

#848 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 03:52 PM | Reply

"Yesterday the right crossed the Rubicon."

I think they crossed it when the armed protesters took over the Michigan state house (and it was later revealed some of those protesters planned to kidnap and kill Michigan's governor), but Trump said they were good people who the governor should listen to and make a deal with, and Republicans across the country didn't object. Yesterday was just the day that Republicans in DC realized they weren't safe from Trump's insurrectionists.

#849 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-07 04:02 PM | Reply


Ezra Klein
@ezraklein
I want to be careful in how I say this because obviously you can't just break into the Capitol and desecrate offices and hit police officers with pipes. People should be arrested. But I don't think they should be our focus.

These people were lied to, over and over, by officials at the highest levels of the American government, people with power and, presumably, knowledge. They trusted the President, and Republican members of Congress, to tell them the truth, and they believed what they were told.

And what they were told was that a crime of astonishing proportions had been committed. Power over the US government itself had been stolen, in broad daylight. And the thieves were just going to get away with it. Electoral politics had failed.

They were told this by the President. By the House minority leader. By more than a dozen senators. By more than a hundred US representative. By anchors on Fox News. By nationally syndicated radio hosts.

And then the President asked them to show up and fight for their country.

I'm not here to release anyone from personal accountability for their actions. But the real villains here are the people in power who lied to those who trusted them, putting them and the country in danger, for personal and political gain.

The worst consequences should be for them - and all who enabled them - not for their marks. If we're going to hold those who invaded the Capitol accountable, and we should, then we need to hold those who convinced them to invade the Capitol accountable.

My fear is that the opposite will play out. We will hold the weak accountable, because we can, but the strong will get away with it. The weak are subject to laws, the strong protected by politics. That's not good enough. I'm not saying I have the answer here. But we need one.

#850 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-01-07 04:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Now you're probably thinking "but they stand no chance against our military" but that's naive. They're not going to go toe to toe with the military. It will be sporadic political violence that smolders and flares, think IRA type stuff. Car bombs. Political assassinations"

So, pure outright terrorism by anybody's definition?

If yesterday is a preamble of what's to come as you've described above.....well, I'll freely admit I hadn't considered this movement (not sure what to call it) was that large, serious, and dangerous.

"I've come to the conclusion that many of them just want to cosplay with guns, wreck ----, and beat people up, comforted by the bond of belonging to a group."

That's where I'm at on them. And the "group" will disband in a hurry once they're afraid of the FBI on their doorstep.

They appear to be people who live in the open.

jobs
registered guns
own homes
families

Is that true? Or are these folks more underground and harder to keep track of?

#851 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-07 04:11 PM | Reply

So, pure outright terrorism by anybody's definition?
If yesterday is a preamble of what's to come as you've described above.....well, I'll freely admit I hadn't considered this movement (not sure what to call it) was that large, serious, and dangerous.

At first. They don't have the backing to do more than that at the moment.

But far right wing, especially militia groups, have been flagged for the last two years as the biggest growing threat to the country.

#852 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 04:35 PM | Reply

9/11 was only a bloody nose. Yesterday was a ---- wrist. Let's hope we don't bleed out.

#841 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-01-07 03:27 PM | FLAG:
RECEIVED

That's it. Perfectly said. Thank you for putting into 17 words what I would try to write a book about.

Automatic Drudgie winner

#853 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-01-07 04:50 PM | Reply

Eb's what we have here is a failure of imagination. You obviously can't see the bigger picture. You fixate on body counts and illegal wars waged. This is different from 9/11, more significant because it involves internal unrest and disloyalty to our form of government itself.

The 1923 putsch in Munich was put down in short order. Hitler was arrested and did felony time.

At the time it was small potatoes. 16 years later world war broke out. Millions died,millions were murdered. Whole nation's were destroyed.

The seed is small,the oak is big. Time changes things. If nothing happens beyond this tantrum by the LEWSERS,than you are correct. It's not a big deal. If you are wrong,you are dead wrong.

A little humility is in order,you don't know where this is heading, neither do I.

I'm not bloviating about myself and my family,money or investments. I don't have the delusions of self importance that you do.

I'm 57, I Remember 9/11 quite Clearly, I knew at the time what Bush Cheney were going to do to our freedoms at home and the horrors they were going to do to the ME.

I have no idea where this is headed. I have a friend, or perhaps I should say, a former friend, in NC. He is a rabid Trump supporter who has been talking about militias and political violence for years.

This is uncharted water. You are a fool if you think you know what's coming next.

What happened yesterday isn't about you.

Get over yourself,you sound a little like Trump himself with your self centered attitude.

#854 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-01-07 04:51 PM | Reply

"My fear is that the opposite will play out. We will hold the weak accountable, because we can, but the strong will get away with it. The weak are subject to laws, the strong protected by politics. That's not good enough. I'm not saying I have the answer here. But we need one."

Thanks for posting that, Clowny.

The dupes should know better, but the con artists at the top of the food chain who, don't anyone be fooled, perpetuated this fraudulent con scheme did so for personal gain, whether it be for power or money or both.

They are the ones who need to be held accountable, them and the Proud Boys and Q leaders who helped them for the same reasons.

#855 | Posted by Corky at 2021-01-07 04:52 PM | Reply

1 Capitol Police officer in critical condition, up to 60 hospitalized after riots

thehill.com

#856 | Posted by Corky at 2021-01-07 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

9/11... like BLM protest (choke)... weren't/aren't to bring down the US government.
9/11 was revenge driven...
BLM and most US protests are trying to address singular issues with reform, not ending democracy or abolishing wholly our current government.
that's this was/is an insurrection, not a protest or a protest gone riot.
REASON AND INTENT MATTERS.

#857 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-01-07 05:32 PM | Reply

one day the right and the left will realize they both want to get rid of the corporate masters.
the altRight, however, will not ally. if they get their way, it's kill kill kill.

#858 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-01-07 05:35 PM | Reply

#858

Dethspud, the Tater of Doom, used to post a Venn diagram of that intersection.

Something like these:

questioningthedata.wordpress.com

#859 | Posted by Corky at 2021-01-07 05:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

im sure this has been covered, i hope: this is insurrection also because brute force violence as used to breach the US Capitol buildings. that also distinguishes it from anything BLM (right-wingers were plenty busted for violence there tailing BLM); BLM was global.
furthermore, this is insurrection regardless of whether every perpeTRAITOR or any involved knew it, their intent was the same -- for those trespassing by force.

#860 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-01-07 05:59 PM | Reply

#859

thanks, and cool link.
and great reference ~ Spud.

#861 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-01-07 06:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

proof to #860:
"When asked why she did it: "We're storming the capitol. It's a revolution."

President Donald Trump's supporters swarmed and stormed the Capitol on Wednesday as Congress attempted, in a joint session prescribed by law, to certify the electoral college results of President-elect Joe Biden. "Elizabeth" promptly garnered some mockery online after placing herself at the scene of what lawmakers have condemned as a "coup attempt" and "insurrection" that the president "incited.""
see:
drudge.com

#862 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-01-07 06:05 PM | Reply

Elizabeth is the new Karen?

#863 | Posted by YAV at 2021-01-07 06:42 PM | Reply

i should the penalty for insurrection is far more severe than rioting.
the clock is firmly set to ring in but one thing: ACCOUNTABILITY.

"somebody check the doomsday clock.

#864 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-01-07 06:52 PM | Reply

Why is the word ---- moderated?

#865 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-07 11:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Now you're probably thinking "but they stand no chance against our military" but that's naive. They're not going to go toe to toe with the military. It will be sporadic political violence that smolders and flares, think IRA type stuff. Car bombs. Political assassinations"
So, pure outright terrorism by anybody's definition?
#851 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Not everyone. Sarah Palin calls it "Second Amendment remedies." And she advises the Freedom Fighters "Don't retreat, reload."

Seriously though. Republicans don't even call blowing up a truck bomb in downtown Nashville terrorism. And Trump hasn't said anything about it at all. Two weeks ago, and it's like it never happened.

#866 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-07 11:31 PM | Reply

"What happened yesterday isn't about you."

No ---- Sherlock. I didn't make it about me. You are some of your friends here who's asses you kiss made it about me.

And I love the whole.... "I have a cousin who's a right winger who lives 900 miles away from me....and he said....."

That's the same as someone who says, " hey I know a black person. I know all about black people...."

#867 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-08 12:02 AM | Reply

What happened yesterday is about the GOP and President Trump.

#868 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-08 12:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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