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Sunday, January 10, 2021

House Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., said Sunday that the House could take up articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump early this week, but that they may delay sending them to the Senate until after President-elect Joe Biden's first 100 days in office.

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If anyone should have been Man of the Year last year, it's Representative Clyburn. Without him, Biden wouldn't have been nominated and Trump wouldn't have been defeated.

#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-01-10 01:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Stupid political games.

This will backfire on them as people's shirt memory will make them susceptible to attempts to rehabilitate Trump's image.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-10 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You clowns can't walk and chew gum at the same time? I hope this isn't true.

Typical whimpy lazy "let's move on" democrats if true.

#3 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-01-10 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

100 days? It's special that they think the GOP will give Joe 10 days to enact his policies.

It's almost as funny as McCarthy, Cruz, Gym Jordan all crying that impeachment needs to stop in the name of "unity and healing".

Like they gave a ---- about unity and healing when they were in control starting with endless Benghazzi hearings, stealing a SCOTUS seat and cramming through their agenda in secret.

The first step towards healing and unity is a full investigation and prosecution to hold the guilty accountable.

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-01-10 07:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Without him, Biden wouldn't have been nominated and Trump wouldn't have been defeated.

#1 | Posted by sentinel

That's an unknowable statement.

When a president is killing hundreds of thousands of americans with stupidity, it's not like there's only 1 person with the ability to beat him.

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-01-10 10:37 PM | Reply

Even though the impeachment case against Trump should be open and shut, waiting allows time for prosecutors at various levels to expose additional wrong doings and bring charges against Donald Trump which can be used to strengthen the case against him.

#6 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-01-10 11:50 PM | Reply

It takes "additional wrongdoings" tallies to impeach?

sumpin's not right.

#7 | Posted by LesWit at 2021-01-11 12:05 AM | Reply

Even though the impeachment case against Trump should be open and shut, waiting allows time for prosecutors at various levels to expose additional wrong doings and bring charges against Donald Trump which can be used to strengthen the case against him.

#6 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

Criminal charges against civilian Trump are independent from the articles of impeachment and thorough destruction of any chance he has to hold office again.

They need to go after it hard and now.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-11 12:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The point of winning is to win, not to let the opposition back in the game to beat you some other way.

Let the fascists get away with it and 5-10 years from now, they'll all be putting Democrats into jails and graves.

Can't just let them off easy. Damn the procedural Bllusiht.

#9 | Posted by chuffy at 2021-01-11 03:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I have to agree with Clyburn on this. Striking while the iron is hot isn't as important as Biden getting a ton of legislation passed as quickly as possible. Biden doesn't need the extra burden of the GOP digging their heels in over impeachment while he's is trying to get the the Corona-19 virus under control ~ not to mention overturning all the other destructive legislation Trump hoisted on the country ~ just to mention one example. (climate control).

#10 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-01-11 04:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9
Thanks for reminder of precursor parallel.

www.stamfordadvocate.com

#11 | Posted by LesWit at 2021-01-11 04:36 AM | Reply

Of course this will take months to finalize. It's not like it's a Supreme Court justice nomination/confirmation!

#12 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2021-01-11 05:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Is there some mandatory "how to shoot yourself in the foot" class that all centrist Democrats take?

This is idiotic.

#13 | Posted by DarkVader at 2021-01-11 08:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Clyburn is exactly wrong. The most important job of Congress right now is to charge those responsible for the insurrection and convict them. No other goal is nearly as important. We must make it clear to all that if you commit treason against the United States then our number one goal is to try and concict you of your crimes. If we allow any other priority to be more important than that then we are failing to protect our democracy which should be the number one goal of every member of Congress. You simply can't put this off, that is ridiculous. We had an insurrection, a coup attempt. Deal with that before anything else.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2021-01-11 08:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I have to agree with Clyburn on this. Striking while the iron is hot isn't as important as Biden getting a ton of legislation passed as quickly as possible."

What legislation is more important that making sure, in a precedent setting way, that insurrectionists face justice?

Three months down the road gives everyone who desires it the opportunity to minimize or set up an alternative narrative for the events of last Wednesday.

#15 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2021-01-11 08:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Is there some mandatory "how to shoot yourself in the foot" class that all centrist Democrats take?"

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. The inability of the purity ponies to disagree reasonably with centrists or anyone without going off the deep end is how a f***er like Trump got elected in the first place.

I can see both the pros and cons of Clyburn's argument. One argument is that if you impeach and hold, then you have it hanging over Trump's head which could deter or lessen any further antics from him in the near future (at least until Biden is augurated, if not have his cabinet confirmed). Do you really believe there's no merit at all to that? Or is it more important to you to revel in the raw emotions?

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-01-11 08:51 AM | Reply

Is it possible for them to do both simultaneously--impeach Trump and appoint a new cabinet? Biden needs to set up a functioning cabinet quickly in order to start to restore govt agencies from the inside. One question I have is: Who runs the various agencies and departments before Biden's cabinet is confirmed? For example, who runs DOJ before Biden's nominee (Merrick Garland) is gets Senate approval? We already know that Trump packed govt department and agencies with his loyalists, and we need to get them removed ASAP. I'm not sure impeaching Trump will do that although I agree that doing so is of upmost importance.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-11 09:14 AM | Reply

I should say: I'm not sure impeaching Trump will automatically do that although I agree that doing so is of upmost importance.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-11 09:17 AM | Reply

"Is it possible for them to do both simultaneously-"

It's possible, but they would both distract from each other and increase the likelihood of things going strictly down partisan lines, in both cases.

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-01-11 09:27 AM | Reply

"One argument is that if you impeach and hold, then you have it hanging over Trump's head which could deter or lessen any further antics from him in the near future..."

Point of fact, no it won't deter him, in any way, shape or form.

I agree that there is merit to both sides of the argument, but to think that it will deter him is simply wrong. The consideration is what remedy impeachment and conviction will result in. Not arrest and prison. That won't stop his rebellion. We need to arrest him and put him in jail. Perhaps the SDNY can arrest him on Jan. 20th at 1201pm

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-01-11 09:28 AM | Reply

increase the likelihood of things going strictly down partisan lines, in both cases.

#19 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2021-01-11 09:

nothing in heaven or on earth will stop things from going down partisan lines in both cases.

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-01-11 09:29 AM | Reply

Are cabinet appointment votes non-filibuster-able?

#22 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2021-01-11 09:30 AM | Reply

Clyburn's argument is based on a set of facts that passions cannot overcome. One, if the House impeaches Trump TODAY due to the Senate's rules, they cannot begin a trial until January 19/20th - unless every Senator gives unanimous consent, which is an impossibility. So instead of addressing legislation that will speed vaccines throughout America, or passing legislation providing pandemic aid to struggling families and businesses left on the precipice of ruin due to Trump's malevolence, the US Senate would be consumed with weeks of trial and testimony because Trump must be allowed a defense. And perhaps most importantly, the Senate would not be able to confirm Biden's own Cabinet due to being consumed with another impeachment.

THIS IS WHY Clyburn and others are now thinking that closing the barn door after the horse has already left is not the most pressing priority for the beginning of Joe Biden's presidency and most people looking at the issue with all the relevant facts at hand would likely agree.

This isn't about diminishing the importance of holding Trump responsible for the actions of January 6th. If it were possible to remove him from office a minute prior to 11:59am on January 20th, no one of good conscious would stand in the way. But due to Senate rules, that is impossible, so now the choice becomes what are the most important priorities for the Senate's immediate time after 12pm on January 20th, going after Trump or dealing with America's ongoing issues and giving President Biden the team he's chosen to tackle these issues with.

There is one more advantage to taking more time before starting a Senate trial and that is the FBI will be able to collect more evidence and will likely make it easier for the Democrats to bury Trump's defense with more facts and relevant testimony that would not be available if the trial starts next week, especially testimony and elocutions stemming from those who will have pled guilty who are now being arrested all over the country.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-01-11 09:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The whole point of impeaching Trump after he leaves office is so that he can't run for office again. Since he can't do that immediately anyway, maybe appointing a new cabinet and taking charge of covid vaccine distribution and passing another economic stimulus package should be first priorities. Also as Tony points out, delaying the impeachment trial in the Senate would allow the FBI to collect more evidence. It would also allow Biden to replace Wray if he so desires.

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-11 09:42 AM | Reply

PS The delay in impeachment only applies to Trump. I would expect the FBI (under Wray or whoever) and DOJ (under Garland), once cleared of Trump loyalists, to pursue charges/cases against all the other insurrectionists and to gather evidence against Trump as they come across it.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-11 09:48 AM | Reply

I understand the concern that impeachment delayed will mean justice never comes. The Democrats have a bad habit of going for unity instead of holding people accountable, and I've been saying for years that this has resulted in the GOP having no fear of, or respect for, the Democratic party and its leaders, which in turn has resulted in the GOP escalating their bad, and in this case insurrectionist, behavior. I do worry that Biden, who has vowed to work with the other side and to be the president of all Americans (noble goals each), will circumvent the process by a bid for unity over justice. What we need is a 9/11 style commission into the insurrection riots. What we need is a truth/justice and reconciliation commission and a clear understanding that reconciliation can't exist without the former and can't be papered over by premature bids for unity.

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-11 10:28 AM | Reply

Another advantage is that it would give the House time to hone and draft additional articles of impeachment, which may increase the likelihood of conviction if they're worded right.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-01-11 10:28 AM | Reply

"What we need is a 9/11 style commission into the insurrection riots."

Not that I'm disagreeing, but how well did the former work out?

#28 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-01-11 10:29 AM | Reply

What we also need is a clear understanding that impeaching Trump next week or in 100 days and 4 years of a Biden presidency isn't going to end the rightwing violence we saw on display last Weds, but there are a number of real world actions that can and must be taken to mitigate domestic terrorism. Trump did none of that when it came to domestic terrorism on the right. In fact, he did the opposite by both encouraging it and denying it existed.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-11 10:39 AM | Reply

"Since he can't do that immediately anyway, maybe appointing a new cabinet and taking charge of covid vaccine distribution and passing another economic stimulus package should be first priorities."

Absolutely.

He can focus on what 100% of Americans want which is to work to end COVID pandemic ASAP or focus on something only some Americans want and it will generate more hate from others.

Or can both endeavors be accomplished simultaneously and mutually exclusively?

I'm for pursuing Trump on everything but at the expense of delaying COVID resources?

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-11 10:41 AM | Reply

It's good to know that there are some reasonable people here on the Retort (besides me, of course :)).

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-01-11 10:49 AM | Reply

#16 | Posted by sentinel

It would be a good thing to send to the Senate even before the Inauguration. There are some pretty good whys on that.

To leave it hanging over Trump's head? I mean what's the point? I see the arguments but do you think it will stop him from doing ANYTHING? No. I mean are you kidding me? And as far as that goes even after 100 days do you think there would be a 2/3rds majority? I seriously doubt it. There are the hardcore nutjob supporters who will never change their position and too many if not all of the rest would go to "we need to heal as a nation" BS.

If they actually DID convict him? It would stop him from holding office again... I am not too worried about that.

Honestly once he is no longer President he is a problem for the courts, let him be charged in court.

#32 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-01-11 11:01 AM | Reply

There is a major problem in our constitution that allows a president to commit insurrection with no mechanism for his immediate removal and incarceration

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-01-11 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Christ, impeachment and conviction will do absolutely zero in preventing ------- from doing anything. THAT has to be kept in mind. It appears impossible to remove him from office prior to the 20th, so all impeachment and conviction will do is to prevent him from future office. THAT is not even remotely of immediate concern. Immediate concern is to prevent him from doing any more damage-start a war, launch nukes, pardon insurrectionists, use his office to incite further rebellion, etc. But, short of extra-constitutional actions, that is functionally impossible short of Pence taking action.

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-01-11 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

again, the problem lies in the Constitution

#35 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-01-11 11:19 AM | Reply

"But, short of extra-constitutional actions, that is functionally impossible short of Pence taking action."

Trump didn't attempt to contact Pence when he was under seige at the Capitol, and has not called to find out if he and his family are okay now that it turns out he was targeted for assassination. One has to ask, what actually would qualify as a bridge too far for Pence to decide to use the 25th Amendment?

#36 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2021-01-11 11:33 AM | Reply

Since apparently there is no law that uses the words "domestic terrorism" I'd like to see that oversight corrected in case Josh Hawley, Ted Cruz or any other like minded screwball with delusions of becoming America's first dictator gets the idea that they can out-Trump Donald Trump in 2024.

You KNOW somebody's is going to take a shot at it.

#37 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-01-11 11:38 AM | Reply

"If they actually DID convict him? It would stop him from holding office again... I am not too worried about that."

It might not be likely, at least today, that Trump could win a second term in 2024, but what a conviction can do, and one of the reasons we should prioritize impeachment, is prevent him from using a campaign for funneling money into his pocket. He was on the verge of yet another bankruptcy a few months ago but has raised upward of half a billion dollars since election day. If he has more time to do so, after he pays his debts to Russia, is use further donations to continue to wage a propaganda war against the United States. That's a real and present danger imo.

#38 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2021-01-11 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#35 | Posted by truthhurts

I agree. Founding Fathers likely never considered this. Not to mention Nukes...

#39 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-01-11 11:39 AM | Reply

There is a major problem in our constitution that allows a president to commit insurrection...

The Electoral College is supposed to stop a complete dingbat from being president. They just didn't.

#40 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-01-11 11:41 AM | Reply

#38 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

I agree with that - but a conviction wouldn't strip away the money he has raised or stop him from funneling it to himself as far as I know.

I think an impeachment should be a priority and sooner rather than later. After Biden's first 100 days is too long for the trumpsplainers and apologist to seemingly have an excuse not to vote for impeachment. Do it NOW and then hold them accountable. Not that many of those that would vote against impeachment are in danger of losing their seats...

#41 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-01-11 11:48 AM | Reply

"The Electoral College is supposed to stop a complete dingbat from being president. "

That was never a guarantee. One of the arguments was the it would lessen the chances of that happening, but not absolutely prevent it.

At some point, you've got to do some reflecting and ask yourself why the candidate who previously ran against him only won the popular vote in 20 out of 50 states.

Also, let's not forget the Electoral College defeated Donald Trump in 2020. Trump hates the EC now, so you should be for it.

#42 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-01-11 12:08 PM | Reply

Criminal charges against civilian Trump are independent from the articles of impeachment and thorough destruction of any chance he has to hold office again.
They need to go after it hard and now.

#8 | POSTED BY JPW

Legally independent yes but politically speaking no. It would give additional reason to GOP senators to convict if Trump is under indictment, especially if he's facing prosecution for crimes committed while in office. Senators would be thinking about their next reelection campaign and even those from the Trumpiest of states would be dreading the idea of trying to explain why they acquitted a President who then went on to be convicted of abusing the power of the office.

#43 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-01-11 12:17 PM | Reply

Turns out the electoral college was another poison pill buried in our Constitution.

The timed release was just activated.

"All of this will, and should, propel calls for modernization of the Electoral College. Many will seek its abolition and replacement by a single nationwide poll. But at the very least, the irrational intricacies of the 1887 Electoral Count Act should be replaced by a uniform system guaranteeing that the popular vote in each state controls the ultimate allocation of that state's electors. The 2020 election has highlighted the destabilizing tendencies in the current system and the need for reform."

www.nytimes.com

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-11 12:26 PM | Reply

PETE

We elected Biden because we needed his judgement to dig America out the grave Trump tried to bury us in ~~ literally and figuratively.

If he thinks getting his cabinet approved post-haste in order to stop the killing of thousand of people every day is more important than chasing Trump's impeachment down a rabbit hole, then we need to step back and let the man do his job.

There's plenty of time to drag Trump kicking and screaming before the tribunal. The media will be our best ally. With the Manhattan D.A. and the New York A.G. on his tail, the media will be all over Trump like ugly on an ape.

It'll be like Open Season on the life of Donald Trump.

#45 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-01-11 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump hates the EC now, so you should be for it.

I don't really care one way or the other.

#46 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-01-11 12:31 PM | Reply

Impeach not convict later. What's the rush?

Biden will definitely have his hands full.

Because Trumpy made America so great that all we got carried away with all the greatness and ransacked our own capitol.

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-11 12:37 PM | Reply

Impeach now. Convict later. What's the rush?

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-11 12:37 PM | Reply

Point of fact: Apes are not ugly

#49 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-01-11 12:40 PM | Reply

#45 | Posted by Twinpac

An Impeachment doesn't stop approval of the cabinet. His choices should be almost rubber stamped like Trumps first go round. Honestly an impeachment should be a pretty short process in the Senate just like last time. The House getting it done prior to 1/20 is a good thing as well.

#50 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-01-11 01:15 PM | Reply

"Also, let's not forget the Electoral College defeated Donald Trump in 2020. Trump hates the EC now, so you should be for it."

Donald Trump lagged three million votes behind Hillary Clinton. The EC is just an anachronism which has allowed George W. Bush and then Donald J. Trump to assume the Presidency and each time it ended in disaster. The EC needs to be rejected totally eliminated. One citizen one vote.

#51 | Posted by danni at 2021-01-11 01:20 PM | Reply

"At some point, you've got to do some reflecting and ask yourself why the candidate who previously ran against him only won the popular vote in 20 out of 50 states."

Every voter, in every state, no matter how small should have exactly the same value of their votes. Some single mother in California's vote should have the same importance as some rancher in Wyoming.

#52 | Posted by danni at 2021-01-11 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The EC needs to be rejected totally eliminated."

It would probably be easier to eliminate the existence of the Senate first.

Which would not be easy at all.

#53 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-01-11 01:45 PM | Reply

At some point, you've got to do some reflecting and ask yourself why the candidate who previously ran against him only won the popular vote in 20 out of 50 states.

Also, let's not forget the Electoral College defeated Donald Trump in 2020. Trump hates the EC now, so you should be for it.

#42 | Posted by sentinel

Do you have to ask yourself why? Lies and conspiracy theories fed to his base for years - decades even - are the core reason why. Lies Trump spewed and they sucked up. These people are not happy with their lot in life and so the the GOP harnessed and uses that in addition to their religious behavior of choice. The truth being the GOP is a HUGE amount of the cause and Trump simply took it and fanned the flames. Not to mention the support Trump had from the Russians, the Russian owned NRA, FBI Agents "in the Deep State", Comey and others.

#54 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-01-11 01:48 PM | Reply

Honestly an impeachment should be a pretty short process in the Senate just like last time.

The Senate trial lasted 2 weeks and 6 days and there was no witness testimony. Wanna try that again? Adding witnesses alone will greatly prolong any trial. And has adequate evidence been compiled and processed yet? Of course not. Not to mention that the House has not named prosecutors nor compiled any case as we speak. It is more than doubtful that they would be ready in 9 days even if the House did pass Articles before then.

So, no, if you want the very first thing the new Democratic majority-led Senate undertakes is impeaching an already gone Donald Trump - have at it. It would be both political and moral suicide as Covid runs rampant, the vaccine distribution is fubar, health systems are strained beyond capacity, and millions are looking for assistance to survive.

Trump's day will come, but it most certainly shouldn't be January 20th as it regards the start of any impeachment trial.

#55 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-01-11 01:50 PM | Reply

#55 | Posted by tonyroma

I was a bit dismissive of the time yes - it was a jab at the GOP controlled Senate. The Democrats need to have a spine and go after this. My point Tony is if you are going to do this you need to do it NOW. Not in MONTHS. Americans have notoriously short memories. A Rush to judgement perhaps? Maybe, but no matter what you do I believe it will be a failed impeachment - ESPECIALLY months on because the GOP will find a way to excuse Trump's behavior. A good number - and maybe enough - would never vote to convict in the first place NO MATTER WHAT. Those are the people that need to be not only outed but outed right out of Congress. The severity of what happened in DC last week should not be underestimated. Think if they had even PARTIALLY succeeded and got to a few elected officials.

This was a heinous event that struck the very heart of our Democracy. There is no more important thing to do than to stand up to these people and send as many as possible to prison. I would rather let the courts deal with Donald Trump and his ilk. And I can do nothing but question the Capitol Police Chief's Complacency. The Totally Women's march was met with more security presence than a rally that was openly about overthrowing our government.

#56 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-01-11 04:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#56

There is a reason that even eyewitnessed murder trials don't take place within days of the killings. This case is not something that is going to be forgotten nor dismissed, in fact, just the opposite and it's happening now. The more time that passes the more information of conspiracy and involvement will be uncovered by the investigations. None of this information nor likely witnesses are available at this moment. This was an attempted coup, possible attempted mass kidnappings and/or executions, mass assaults on law enforcement officers and at least one murder of an officer. It takes time to gather evidence and to put together thousands of people and their roles into a coherent prosecution.

Common sense should override haste imo. At this moment, there are no line ups of witnesses willing to testify for the state against those involved - though there will be once solid cases are built against hundreds of insurrectionists as the events are deconstructed and more and more named suspects emerge. Hurrying a Senate trial is the surest way of providing Trump supplicants with outs. Hurrying on as yet unknown witnesses and evidence - perhaps most importantly drawing direct connection to the intersection of money which provided sponsorship and those close to and including Donald Trump himself - is not rationally prudent. You are operating on emotion, not logic, rationality, nor common sense on how best to make most sure a guilty verdict is rendered.

No one is saying wait many months or years to pursue impeachment. But at this point after January 20th, I'd rather see Trump face criminal charges for inciting an insurrection more than I would an impeachment that won't lead to his conviction, basically leaving us with a principled waste of more time and money from which he walks away from again.

#57 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-01-11 05:13 PM | Reply

It's possible, but they would both distract from each other and increase the likelihood of things going strictly down partisan lines, in both cases.

#19 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

What a sad, pathetic commentary on our country (and it's soon to be failed state status) that impeachment and conviction is even an argument at this point.

There really is no rock bottom the GOP won't break through to show us how much lower they can go.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-11 05:27 PM | Reply

Fortunately ------- can't and won't cause trouble before the trial.

#59 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-01-11 05:45 PM | Reply

I actually have no problem with this delay. If he is going to be impeached let us do it legally and correctly with all the Constitutionally required safe-guards. Also, 100 days from now the ugliness of what Trump has done will only come clearer into view as he himself fades further from public view.

#60 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-01-11 05:56 PM | Reply

That he's not been arrested already...

If you had done what Trump has openly done, how long do you think it would take after inciting a mob that goes on to attack the congress before the FBI kicks your door in?

#61 | Posted by liquidcake at 2021-01-11 06:39 PM | Reply

If you had done what Trump has openly done, how long do you think it would take after inciting a mob that goes on to attack the congress before the FBI kicks your door in?

#61 | Posted by liquidcake

That depends. Am I the leader of a fascist cult that has members acting on my behalf within the FBI like trump does?

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-01-11 07:04 PM | Reply

Turns out the electoral college was another poison pill buried in our Constitution.
The timed release was just activated.
"All of this will, and should, propel calls for modernization of the Electoral College. Many will seek its abolition and replacement by a single nationwide poll. But at the very least, the irrational intricacies of the 1887 Electoral Count Act should be replaced by a uniform system guaranteeing that the popular vote in each state controls the ultimate allocation of that state's electors. The 2020 election has highlighted the destabilizing tendencies in the current system and the need for reform."
www.nytimes.com
#44 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2021-01-11 12:26 PM

They not only protect this system from reformation, but actively propagandize that it's the manner of counting all votes which is what perhaps galls me the most.

Black votes didn't count until 55 years ago, so the plantation was always much, much larger than we were led to believe.

#63 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2021-01-11 07:08 PM | Reply

"Point of fact: Apes are not ugly"

#49 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Might you favor us with a photograph of your wife?

#64 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-01-12 01:21 AM | Reply

I actually have no problem with this delay. If he is going to be impeached let us do it legally and correctly with all the Constitutionally required safe-guards. Also, 100 days from now the ugliness of what Trump has done will only come clearer into view as he himself fades further from public view.

#60 | Posted by moder8

Is that what you, more importantly your client, thinks when seeking to delay a trial? No. At least, your client is hoping and praying that emotions will calm and evidence will become less available or unavailable.

If this impeachment is to be done then it needs to be done now. The public and many legislators are leaning in that direction. In 100 days they'll be fighting like cats and dogs again. No one will give a s**t about the Buffoon.

Do it now or not at all.

#65 | Posted by et_al at 2021-01-12 02:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Of course, Trump's grabbed America by the pus--!

#66 | Posted by LiquidCake at 2021-01-12 06:59 AM | Reply

Delaying impeachment gives the democrats an easy out down the road to not do anything.

They'll say AGAIN, "we need to look forwards not backwards", "and we need to forge ahead so America can heal", crap like that because pursuing impeachment "would get in the way of us doing the people's work" and "we need to focus on defeating Covid"....

These are the excuses they will make for not doing the hard work.

#67 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-01-12 07:25 AM | Reply

Delaying impeachment gives the democrats an easy out down the road to not do anything.

They'll say AGAIN, "we need to look forwards not backwards", "and we need to forge ahead so America can heal", crap like that because pursuing impeachment "would get in the way of us doing the people's work" and "we need to focus on defeating Covid"....

These are the excuses they will make for not doing the hard work.

#68 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-01-12 08:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do it now or not at all.

#65 | POSTED BY ET_AL AT 2021-01-12 02:13 AM | FLAG: MMMEHHHHH

For sure do something now for sure... there are lots of things... like a shortage of security when he is visiting his wall. Buried in law suits... geeze thelist is endless. While that is going on might be nice to gather more impeachment evidence since it takes so much to convince the thickest of the pig brains. But whatevaaaaahhhh. Impeachment can just be part of the mix.

Personally, I am enjoying watching the pig brains squirm... the little weenies all crying when they are put on the no-fly list... losing their jobs...getting kicked out of organizations... losing affiliations... all the $#!T they wanted to do to others.

I want to beat this dead horse into hamburger and run it through the wood chipper. I want to be vindictive. No more mr / ms nice liberal. Republicl0wns can GFT.

The irony of them complaining about the fears of big government watching them whilst rioting with cell phones in hand.

When we yell lock him up I want it to mean something... accomplish something.

#69 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-01-12 08:18 AM | Reply

Do it now or not at all.

#65 | POSTED BY ET_AL

What's the rush con seller?

Impeach Now!

Convict later.

Let me stew. And.

It will give America and the Senate time to watch the videos over and over and the FBI time to collect all the evidence they need to convict.

If we are going to do it let's do it right this time.

#70 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-12 12:11 PM | Reply

Re #70

"Let me stew" should have been "let em stew" but it still works in a weird way.

#71 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-12 12:13 PM | Reply

-What's the rush con seller?

The rush is that the average attention span of the average voter isn't long and that includes democratic party voters.

The fear is that members of congress won't feel pressured to act on this once their constituents lose interest.

I'm not saying I agree with doing it all now or not at all......but I understand the viewpoint.

Personally, I would prefer we impeach now and let the evidence collect and hope for a renewed interest in hanging DJT and anyone else complicit when it's time.

But it does come with the risk of a fading interest or a significant event that could completely change priorities.

People have only so much RAM

#72 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-12 12:50 PM | Reply

Do it now or not at all.
#65 | POSTED BY ET_AL

The fear is that members of congress won't feel pressured to act on this once their constituents lose interest.
People have only so much RAM
#72 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I completely agree with both of you.

But.

Nothing is going to happen.

QAnon Shaman and the guy who sat in Nancy Pelosi's chair have been arrested. Isn't that enough?

Democrats are going to sit on their thumbs and be totally surprised when fascists succeed in taking over the government in the next 4 years.

Nancy is scared. Democrats are scared. Republicans have won.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-01-12 12:57 PM | Reply

But it does come with the risk of a fading interest or a significant event that could completely change priorities.

People have only so much RAM

#72 | POSTED BY EBERLY

So what I am hearing is that you think an attack on our capitol will just fade away in less than 100 days?

You think this just going away somehow if justice is not served?

Waiting 100 days allows FBI investigators to gather the evidence they need is not a problem. Many trials take much longer anyway. Let them strew on what they have done. We will all get to stew on it. Whether we want to or not now. And as each person is arrested and charged we get to watch. Lucky us!

As that evidence grows and continues to trickle out with new videos every day that show the horror of that day we will get to be reminded.

Like I said,

Lucky us.

#74 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-12 01:01 PM | Reply

So what I am hearing is that you think an attack on our capitol will just fade away in less than 100 days?

In 100 days from now Americans will be distracted with what's currently in the news. They won't remember what happened 7 news cycles ago.

Besides. Who do you think is going to get arrested? Cruz? Hawley? Trump?

What were the repercussions for storming the Michigan capitol building?

Don't hold your breath.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-01-12 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So what I am hearing is that you think an attack on our capitol will just fade away in less than 100 days?"

It's a risk....not a guarantee.

A global event (completely unrelated) such as a banking crisis, real estate event, volcano, North Korea does something, Middle East conflict, etc....anything that could impact people and their interest in this specific event. Kanye West and the Kardashians need attention as well......

Waiting is a risk...that's all I'm saying.

Acting now is a risk as well.

As I said, I'm in favor of what you're prescribing...but with the realization that it has risks....

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-12 01:10 PM | Reply

"Nothing is going to happen."

The President is going to be Impeached again tomorrow.

Having your President impeached twice only means "nothing" to a trumper.

And I know you are not a trumper.

Remember. Everything affects everything. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The impeachment itself even without a conviction will cause a reaction. And then Congress will have to react to that. As we all will.

Like the parable of the old man and the beautiful white horse said,

"We'll see!"

#77 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-12 01:13 PM | Reply

For those of you that don't know the parable of the Man and the White Horse. Here is one version:

medium.com

#78 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-12 01:15 PM | Reply

Donner, Gandalf said it better"

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."

I, of course, prefer to ignore Gandalf's advice and kill gollum

#79 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-01-12 02:15 PM | Reply

We can obviously get Ted Cruz to support the impeachment. Just insult his family and he will worship you. Ask Trump.

#80 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-01-12 02:37 PM | Reply

Old News...Pelosi and Dems
are clearly pushing ahead w
this...

#81 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-01-12 05:39 PM | Reply

Old News...Pelosi and Dems
are clearly pushing ahead w
this...

#81 | POSTED BY EARTHMUSE

Old Old News.. Impeachment will occur tomorrow. Mitch McConnell releases rumor that he supports impeachment. Conviction is actually possible by Friday.

But...

We Will See.

#82 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-12 07:09 PM | Reply

Amazing how fast things are moving.

Clean your weapons and check your ammo.

Stand by to stand by!

Semper Fi

#83 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-12 07:12 PM | Reply

*itch BcConnell is pro impeachment?

Where was he a year ago?

Oh yea.

That's right.

He was convinced Trump would win reelection.

Now that Trump lost. He's suddenly ready to impeach!

Impeachment was his idea all along!

Plus. He never liked Coney Barrett Kavanaugh. Trump forced *itch to seat them.

*itch BcConnell is a victim too!

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-01-12 07:20 PM | Reply

Did you know?

There were no casualties during the Confederate bombardment of Fort Sumter at the start of the American Civil War. The only Union deaths came during the evacuation: One soldier was killed and another mortally wounded in an accidental explosion during a planned 100-gun salute.

If you think about it... It's a "slam dunk".

www.history.com

#85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-12 07:36 PM | Reply

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