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Friday, January 15, 2021

About one minute after [VP Mike] Pence was hustled out of the chamber, a group charged up the stairs to a second-floor landing in the Senate, chasing a Capitol Police officer who drew them away from the Senate. Pence and his family had just ducked into a hideaway less than 100 feet from that landing ... If the pro-Trump mob had arrived seconds earlier, they would have been in eyesight of the vice president as he was rushed across a reception hall into the office.

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The proximity of the Jan. 6 attackers to the vice president and the delay in evacuating him from the chamber " which have not been previously reported " raise questions about why the Secret Service did not move him earlier and underscore the jeopardy that top government leaders faced during the siege.
This nation came perilously close to having the 3 highest on the presidential succession chain being either assassinated or captured last Wednesday as Trump reportedly sat gleefully watching the insurrection and siege that his own exhortations and lying led to.

With besieged police officers now recounting their horror stories of being assaulted and battered at the same time as more evidence of preplanning and potential coordination with inside sources is alleged, there can be little doubt that the President's role in giving the final marching orders to this mob are unquestionably worthy of his impeachment.

And I believe the days that follow will reveal more shocking stories which will likely lead to his conviction once the trial is over in the Senate. Because the worst part of this is always indisputed: Trump has always been lying about systemic widespread election fraud because there wasn't any which affected the overwhelming results.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-01-15 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think Trump lost any hope for a pardon at that moment, now he's even told his advisors that resignation will not help him gain a pardon from Pence.
Generally, when you send thugs to hang you for obeying the Constitution, you get a little angry.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2021-01-15 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And yet, in the Senate's impeachment trial II, Der Dotard will still have his defenders, and more of them than should be allowed to crawl the streets of our nation's capital...

#3 | Posted by catdog at 2021-01-15 12:58 PM | Reply

"Rioters Storming Capitol Came Dangerously Close to Pence"

Some of them were women. Mother would have been displeased!

#4 | Posted by censored at 2021-01-15 02:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#1 "unquestionably worthy of his impeachment." I think you mispelled that-shouldn't that read imprisonment?

#5 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2021-01-15 02:24 PM | Reply

Mother would have been displeased!

#4 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Indeed.

Trying hard to laugh with you so thanks for the attempted funny. We need to find the funny and laugh at ourselves to keep from crying.

Mother should be furious.

It could have been murder. Or worse. (See "how did Muammar Gaddafi die") They intended to hang him or worse if they caught him.

Even the threat of murder only inches away from these morally depraved lawmakers still cannot or will not tell America the truth. And there is the possibility that some legislators now might literally stab others in the back at work. Absurd? Ridiculous? Sickening? Terrifying? Insane? Laughable? But not really funny any more. And. Unfortunately.

We have all been here before.

If I had ever been here before I would probably know just what to do
Don't you?
If I had ever been here before on another time around the wheel
I would probably know just how to deal
With all of you
And I feel
Like I've been here before
Feel
Like I've been here before
And you know
It makes me wonder
What's going on under the ground
Do you know?
Don't you wonder?
What's going on down under you
We have all been here before
We have all been here before
We have all been here before
We have all been here before

CSNY

Strange days indeed.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-15 02:36 PM | Reply

And yet Pence was still too craven to 25th amendment the Orange Sloth.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-15 03:38 PM | Reply

#7

I think that's much too harsh JPW. I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I have to give Pence credit for both of his important decisions - while still criticizing him for even asking questions about the first one.

Pence asked constitutional experts about his role in the Electoral College vote tabulation and followed their conclusions even when Trump found quacks to try and change his mind. Secondly, it's been reported that Pence did the same thing with the 25th Amendment question and he was told that the language of it was tacitly written for medical or physically catastrophic incidents where the President could not perform his duties, not for cases like Trump's where the President was simply not upholding his constitutional duties - and probably committing crimes - due to his own irrationality. Pence's view is that impeachment or resignation are the only proper ways for Trump to be removed prior to the end of his term under the current conditions.

Again, I think that this argument is wholly consistent with a fair reading and understanding of the 25th Amendment's purpose even though most everyone can see why at this 11th hour very few people would hold it against him for invoking it due to Trump's own seditious actions coming 2 weeks from the end of his term, seeing as how there are no guarantees that Trump won't try even more pathologically tragic machinations before 12pm Wednesday.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-01-15 03:50 PM | Reply

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So you're saying Pence is taking the position that the 25th Amendment was not designed to remove Trump under these circumstances but rather the impeachment process?

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-15 03:56 PM | Reply

That's what Pence believes. Read the letter he sent to Pelosi.

He states it pretty clearly.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-01-15 04:09 PM | Reply

To be clear, Pence did not advocate that Trump should be removed by impeachment, but the gist of his comments were that the impeachment process was the correct constitutional action to take if Congress wanted Trump removed legally, not cajoling him to use the 25th Amendment in a way that isn't consistent with the language on which it is written.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-01-15 04:12 PM | Reply

Trump claims he has a long memory. I'd suggest that Pence watch his back from now until . . . well, for the rest of his life.

Trump is consumed with hatred and vengeance. It was Trump's last and most desperate attempt to hold onto power at all costs. Pence is certain to be one of his scapegoats.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-01-16 06:56 AM | Reply

I don't have any sympathy for Mike Pence. There's been ample evidence over the past four years to raise the likelihood that Pence was dancing with the Devil. The fact that he chose to remain and did, in fact, even defended Trump's violation of the Constitution repeatedly ~ not to mention the malevolence that ran amok in Trump's administration ~ shows a weakness in Pence's character equal to that of Donald Trump.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-01-16 07:44 AM | Reply

I was going to post that we need better ways to remove a President but then I realized that what we really need to do is prevent the propaganda networks from hypnotizing approximately 50% of our population.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2021-01-16 03:33 PM | Reply

"shows a weakness in Pence's character equal to that of Donald Trump."

I don't think we can say that, Donald Trump sent a mob to invade the Capital, Mike Pence, like him or not, got the National Guard deployed when Trump would not. I've never liked Pence but I think he actually did display a surprising level of patriotism on the days leading up to the insurrection and during it. He's still a religious nut but he wasn't, in the end, a traitor like Trump.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2021-01-16 03:38 PM | Reply

#14 I haven't mentioned this in a while, but the success of the Propaganda Model as described by Noam Chomsky in his book Manufacturing Consent and elsewhere, remains one of the greatest political lessons of the 20th century.

And it's even more effective in the age of Social Media.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-16 04:09 PM | Reply

Except for the fact that lynching Pence probably would have screwed up, or at least delayed the certification of the EC votes, perhaps his lynching might have helped waken the elected terrorists sympathizers to reality.
It would have changed,"lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas" to "lie down with dogs, wake up hanging from a gallows" for Mikey.

#17 | Posted by northguy3 at 2021-01-16 04:17 PM | Reply

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