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Sunday, January 17, 2021

President Donald Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani tells ABC News he's working as part of the president's defense team in his upcoming second impeachment trial -- and that he's prepared to argue that the president's claims of widespread voter fraud did not constitute incitement to violence because the widely-debunked claims are true.

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So his defense during the Senate trial will be that it's ok to send a mob to murder Reps and Senators because of voter fraud?

That sounds like a defense Senator Ted "Yes, my wife is ugly and my dad killed JFK" Cruz would rally behind.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2021-01-17 12:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"I'm involved right now ... that's what I'm working on," Giuliani told ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl.

A few hours later, Giuliani -- who led the president's efforts to overturn the 2020 election results -- was spotted at the White House.

The former New York City mayor said that in his defense of the president, he would introduce allegations of widespread voter fraud that have been raised -- and rejected -- in dozens of courtrooms across the country.

"They basically claimed that anytime [Trump] says voter fraud, voter fraud -- or I do, or anybody else -- we're inciting to violence; that those words are fighting words because it's totally untrue," he said. "Well, if you can prove that it's true, or at least true enough so it's a legitimate viewpoint, then they are no longer fighting words."

"I mean his legal life's gonna be complicated no matter what," Giuliani told ABC News. "Maybe because I'm more of a criminal lawyer than a civil lawyer, I'd much rather have my civil life complicated than my criminal life."

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Only the best people......

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2021-01-17 12:09 AM | Reply

I guess when you're in free fall down a rabbit hole you might as well not struggle and enjoy the ride.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-17 12:40 PM | Reply

Giuliani has no pride. Trump already said he wasn't going to pay him for his time nor reimburse his expenses and now he is willing to defend him? Does he think Trump will suddenly have a change of heart and actually pay his bills?

#4 | Posted by danni at 2021-01-17 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Giuliani has no pride. Trump already said he wasn't going to pay him for his time nor reimburse his expenses and now he is willing to defend him? Does he think Trump will suddenly have a change of heart and actually pay his bills?

#4 | Posted by danni at 2021-01-17 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's mind-blowing. As if Colludy Fooliani hadn't embarrassed himself a thousand times already. No matter what happens right in front of their eyes, the Trump cult remains undeterred.

#5 | Posted by cbob at 2021-01-17 01:40 PM | Reply

...and now he is willing to defend him?

Well the Senate is never going to convict so he could finally chalk up a "win".

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-01-17 02:04 PM | Reply

Episode 2: Barbarians at the Oval
www.axios.com

...But it would never get off the ground. Plan B, driven by Rudy Giuliani and a parallel track of conspiracists, was already coming together, unfolding before the original advisers' own eyes.

It would soon overtake the campaign's legal operation, feeding the president false claims including the idea that the election could be overturned.

On the day after the election, Nov. 4, top staff including Stepien, Clark, Miller, general counsel Matthew Morgan and Jared Kushner had gathered at Trump campaign headquarters in Arlington, Virginia. They believed this would be a serious search for a path to 270 electoral votes through credible legal challenges.

Then Giuliani, Sidney Powell and a swelling conspiracy crew marched into the room -- literally....


I really have to wonder if Mr Giuliani would be a positive or a negative for the Trump defense.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-01-17 02:17 PM | Reply

So it's come to this: Trump had to go to the local Legal Aid Society for free help with the trial, because we all know he's not paying Rudy...

#8 | Posted by catdog at 2021-01-17 03:06 PM | Reply

To sweeten the deal, Rudy has offered to revisit Four Seasons Total Landscaping, stick his hands down his pants, and fart - all at no charge.

#9 | Posted by cbob at 2021-01-17 03:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I really have to wonder if Mr Giuliani would be a positive or a negative for the Trump defense.
#7 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Here's Rove's take:

If Giuliani Leads the Impeachment Trial Defense, Strong Likelihood' the Senate Votes to Convict
www.mediaite.com

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-01-17 04:39 PM | Reply

Here's Rove's take:

If Giuliani Leads the Impeachment Trial Defense, Strong Likelihood' the Senate Votes to Convict
www.mediaite.com

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11

A. Will Giuliani do it for free in exchange for a last minute pardon he may not get?
B. Giuliani could retain his .000 batting average over claims Trump won the election he lost, bigly

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-01-17 05:06 PM | Reply

@#11 ... Will Giuliani do it for free in exchange for a last minute pardon he may not get? ...

Is a pardon for Mr Giuliani a good thing?

OpEd: Pardoning Giuliani Would Put Trump in Legal Jeopardy
www.bloomberg.com

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-01-17 05:25 PM | Reply

#12 | Posted by LampLighter

From your linked article:

The New York Times reports that the two men have discussed whether the president should pardon his personal lawyer. But Trump owes Giuliani money for representing him, and pardoning someone to whom you owe money could easily be construed as a criminal act.

Under federal law, it would be bribery to offer an official government act, like a pardon, in exchange for a debt, like the money Trump owes to Giuliani. An investigation would have to ensue. And as President Bill Clinton learned after pardoning financier Marc Rich, an investigation into a questionable pardon can be serious business.So, Trump is faced with paying Giuliani's exorbitant bill @ $20,000 a day or refusing to pardon him.

"GFY, Rudy. I wouldn't shell out that kind of money to my wives" would be his likely response.

#13 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-01-17 05:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

(blockquote in the wrong place. Quote ends with "...questionable pardon can be serious business."

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-01-17 05:43 PM | Reply

B. Giuliani could retain his .000 batting average over claims Trump won the election he lost, bigly
#11 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Rove points out that it all comes down to Trump's defense. If Rudy brings the argument that there is evidence of wide spread voter fraud, which legitimizes Trump's message and justifies the insurrectionist actions enacted by his supporters, there's a significant likelihood of conviction. Practically any other defense will lead to acquittal, according to Karl. But we've seen Karl swing and miss many times, so who knows.

#15 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-01-17 05:54 PM | Reply

Prospect of Pardons in Final Days Fuels Market to Buy Access to Trump

The president's allies have collected tens of thousands of dollars " and potentially much more " from people seeking pardons.

WASHINGTON " As President Trump prepares to leave office in days, a lucrative market for pardons is coming to a head, with some of his allies collecting fees from wealthy felons or their associates to push the White House for clemency, according to documents and interviews with more than three dozen lobbyists and lawyers.

The brisk market for pardons reflects the access peddling that has defined Mr. Trump's presidency as well as his unorthodox approach to exercising unchecked presidential clemency powers. Pardons and commutations are intended to show mercy to deserving recipients, but Mr. Trump has used many of them to reward personal or political allies.

The pardon lobbying heated up as it became clear that Mr. Trump had no recourse for challenging his election defeat, lobbyists and lawyers say. One lobbyist, Brett Tolman, a former federal prosecutor who has been advising the White House on pardons and commutations, has monetized his clemency work, collecting tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme.

www.nytimes.com

#16 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-01-17 05:57 PM | Reply

#15 | Posted by rstybeach11

I am not an attorney, but Rove's argument doesn't seem to make sense regarding conviction/exoneration.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-01-17 06:01 PM | Reply

doesn't seem to make sense regarding conviction/exoneration.
#17 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

There's a lot tied to impeachment, politically, that doesn't make sense to me. I agree with you.

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-01-17 06:08 PM | Reply

This is how I imagine Rudy's salty pretzel logic nutshell-explanation to go:

The Ghoul: Our election fraud claims are truly truth.

The Press: What proof do you have that they're true?

The Ghoul: We haven't been able to provide proof as of yet because there's a conspiracy working against us to keep us from proving them true.
But really, why else would they be claiming there is no evidence if it all wasn't really true?

The Press: What proof do you have for such conspiracy?

The Ghoul: We don't yet have such evidence because of a conspiracy keeping us from proving the conspiracy.

The Press: Wait... so, essentially you're claiming that your election fraud claims are true... because you can't prove them to be true?

The Ghoul: That's the ticket.

#19 | Posted by vogonity_intact at 2021-01-17 06:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#19 | Posted by vogonity_intact

Nice!

#20 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-01-17 06:40 PM | Reply

IMO, Ross William Ulbricht should be pardoned eventually. With it being a decent idea, it's unlikely to happen.

#21 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-01-17 08:26 PM | Reply

With it being a decent idea, it's unlikely to happen.

Three days left to buy it if he has the coin.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-01-17 08:37 PM | Reply

WH officials are saying not so fast about RudiG's claim.
RudiG seen in the WH? KellyAnne,Hope and Ivanka aren't available and like tRump says,"lips are lips".

BTW any idea if the old Bushies from here still running their RudiG thong kiosk in the Baghdad market?

#23 | Posted by northguy3 at 2021-01-17 09:06 PM | Reply

#11 Since the trial will occur after tRump has been replaced,there would be no opportunity to pardon RudiGonce the trial commences.

#24 | Posted by northguy3 at 2021-01-17 09:08 PM | Reply

Could the president pardon someone who wasn't formally convicted of a crime?
Ex: " I hereby pardon hillary clinton for the epstein killing."

#25 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-01-17 09:41 PM | Reply

Could the president pardon someone who wasn't formally convicted of a crime?

As mentioned before, Ford pardoned Nixon and he had not even been charged with a crime, much less convicted.

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-01-17 09:51 PM | Reply

Good luck with that. Trump's own publicly declared words will convict him. What a dope.

#27 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-17 10:29 PM | Reply

There remains the technique of interrogation:

In this, the first thing is to know your witness.

A timid witness can be terrorized, a fool deceived,
the irascible provoked, the ambitious flattered,
the long-winded encouraged in his prolixity.

The sensible and steady witness must be either:
(1) sent away at once as hostile and obstinate,
(2) refuted by a brief intervention from the defending advocate rather than by an interrogation,
(3) if the chance presents itself, discomfited by some witty observation, or
(4) destroyed by the scandal of his offences, if anything can be brought against his way of life.

It has proved useful to show restraint in attacking honest and modest witnesses, because people who
would have fought back against an onslaught are often mollified by courtesy.

--Quintilian c. 35-100 AD (CE)

#28 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-18 11:49 AM | Reply

After meeting with Trump yesterday, Rudy is now saying he won't be working on Trump's defense.

"Because I gave an earlier speech [at the rally], I am a witness and therefore unable to participate in court or in the Senate chamber." Giuliani said.

I have to give Rudy some credit here. Making yourself a witness is a pretty smart way to get out of having to work for someone who won't pay you.

abcnews.go.com

#29 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-01-18 02:22 PM | Reply

Rudy has one last chance to show America if he can fart and tuck in his shirt at the same time.

#30 | Posted by Jaspar at 2021-01-18 10:07 PM | Reply

"Look, Donald. If you pay me I can afford hair dye that doesn't run, okay?"

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-01-19 10:57 AM | Reply

A timid witness can be terrorized, a fool deceived,
the irascible provoked, the ambitious flattered,
the long-winded encouraged in his prolixity.

I believe Trump can be "handled" in all these time-tested ways. (Sorry for the following psychoanalysis, but) He acts bullish, but that's really an overreaction to being timid. He's a fool and is easily deceived, even whe he thinks it's he who is pulling the strings. He's ambitious and no doubt would preen in vanity at being praised. And he is long-winded enough to say something incriminating himself as his ego thinks he can do no wrong. Were I his attorney I'd simply tell him to keep his --------- trap shut.

#32 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-19 02:51 PM | Reply

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