Advertisement

Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, January 19, 2021

Christine German and Michael Hunzeker: To counter a threat we must first define it. Donald Trump's inflammatory rhetoric and volatile behavior are distorting our ability to see far-right extremism for what it really is: virulent anti-statism.

More

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in this discussion must follow the site's moderation policy. Profanity will be filtered. Abusive conduct is not allowed.

More from the article...

,,,To the commentators and pundits who consider Trump an authoritarian, last Wednesday's attack on the Capitol confirmed him as a dictator-in-waiting and proved that far-right extremism is, at its core, reactionary and authoritarian. But this narrative ascribes to Trump far more influence than he actually wields, and it falls apart upon even a cursory review of the varied goals of far-right groups. Second Amendment groups, for example, want to erect a permanent bulwark against gun control. Christian groups are pushing back against a perceived erosion of religious freedom. And white supremacists want to restrict immigration and minority rights.

In fact, one of the only animating forces that unites the entire far right is a shared fear of centralized state power. Anti-statism -- the belief that governments invariably threaten individual liberty -- has a long tradition in American strategic culture.

Many far-right groups, however, take the concept and run with it. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-01-18 03:56 PM | Reply

anti-government. anti-open society. separatists.

yet... the insurrectionists said, as they ---- in the capitol: "We may as well form a government, while we're here."

#2 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-01-18 05:43 PM | Reply

anti-democracy.

do away with the Enlightenment, and what do you have?
--still, "Many far-right groups, however, take the concept and run with it. ...", still they are no capable of playing that whole tape. ignoramouses. anti-freedom, anti-liberty.

#3 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-01-18 05:49 PM | Reply

ignoramuses

#4 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-01-18 05:51 PM | Reply

From time to time, I've viewed the many (most? all?) Trump supporters more as anarchists than anything else.

They seemed to me to be against any sort of government except for the "might is right" approach to interaction with their fellow citizens.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-01-18 06:18 PM | Reply

"All of which suggests that Trump does not"and cannot"control the Frankenstein movement into which he helped breathe life. "

^
I've been saying this since the beginning.
Fascists always think they can bottle the lightning. Always.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-18 06:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#6 ... I've been saying this since the beginning. ...

Pres Trump has created a monster he cannot control.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-01-18 06:54 PM | Reply

The monster was already there. Millions of people who lost ground with deindustrialization,the loss of productive manufacturing and extractive jobs.

Finance and service became all we do. That and arms production for foreign and domestic use.

The supply chains now stretch, absurdly,across the entire Pacific basin.

They want the old America,with good productive jobs. Not the rust belt they've been bequeathed.

White supremacists are rampant,among the lovers of Trump.

I got nothing on what to do about the whole ---- show.

#8 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-01-19 12:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Pres Trump has created a monster he cannot control."

I wouldn't say created. More like, re-summoned.

Fascists are always there, waiting in the wings.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-19 02:04 AM | Reply

SNOOFY

We all seem to gloss over the fact that it was the RNC who supported and helped fund this Frankenstein ~~ AND SAT BACK IN SILENCE AS THEY WATCHED THE SYSTEMIC DESTRUCTION OF DEMOCRACY AS IT TOOK PLACE.

I'm not excusing Trump ~ he was a willing tool with a cruel streak and visions of $$$$$$$$ in his head.

But the RNC hasn't given up.

Fortunately for America (this time), the RNC chose a psychotic fool. Unfortunately for America (next time), they're looking for a smarter, more focused candidate for 2024.

#10 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-01-19 05:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"In fact, one of the only animating forces that unites the entire far right is a shared fear of centralized state power. Anti-statism"the belief that governments invariably threaten individual liberty"has a long tradition in American strategic culture."

The government is a threat to individual liberty? Absolutely. That part is 100% correct.

What isn't correct is that the "far right" is anti-statist. I think you could have said that at one point, but the people who rioted in DC two weeks ago were rioting in the apparent support of crowning a new king in the United States, one that didn't answer to Democratic process.

There is no way someone who favors individual liberty could support Trump, unless possibly through the lens of him being the lesser of two evils. Any freedom one would enjoy under a Trump rule would be one that he allowed you to have. Meaning it wouldn't be "freedom" at all. It would be a gift from your master.

#11 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-01-19 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#10

Trump's problem was not so much with his policies as it was the fact that he was an unscrupulous piece of ----. He's our generation's Huey Long.

All the republicans really need to do is A) overcome the Trump legacy within the party, and B) nominate someone with the same positions who isn't such a piece of ----.

Then they will win the ---- out of elections, because A) of what Effete is talking about #8, as well as the fact that B) people like Snoofy (#9) continue to refer to anyone who doesn't share their views and visions as "fascists." Even if these "fascists" are in fact blue-collar workers who see the left sacrificing their livelihoods on the alter of left-wing idealism in order to please urban elites.

#12 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-01-19 10:02 AM | Reply

@#9 ... I wouldn't say created. More like, re-summoned. ...

Yup.

After I wrote that, I thought that maybe I should have said "awoke" instead of "created."

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-01-19 10:51 AM | Reply

What isn't correct is that the "far right" is anti-statist. I think you could have said that at one point, but the people who rioted in DC two weeks ago were rioting in the apparent support of crowning a new king in the United States, one that didn't answer to Democratic process.

Beat me to it.

The right isn't "anti-statist" by any means. The right is pro-my preferred version of statist.

Just like everybody else.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-19 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#11 ... The government is a threat to individual liberty? Absolutely. That part is 100% correct. ...

Not really 100% correct.

There are times when the government protects my liberties from being infringed upon by others.


For example, laws that protect me from being robbed by a thief. Of course, your view might be that the government is infringing upon the right of that robber to steal from me.


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-01-19 10:55 AM | Reply

@#10 ... We all seem to gloss over the fact that it was the RNC who supported and helped fund this Frankenstein ~~ AND SAT BACK IN SILENCE AS THEY WATCHED THE SYSTEMIC DESTRUCTION OF DEMOCRACY AS IT TOOK PLACE. ...

The RNC did not sit back in silence as they watched the systematic destruction of democracy take place.

The RNC actively abetted and worked to help enable it.

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-01-19 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

nominate someone with the same positions who isn't such a piece of ----.

In other words, pretty much any other Republican. Trump, policy wise, brought very little in terms of unique policy positions.

blue-collar workers who see the left sacrificing their livelihoods on the alter of left-wing idealism in order to please urban elites.

An absurd assertion made by ignorant, gullible people.

People who are, by and large, responsible for their own misfortunes but will blame anybody but themselves.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-19 10:58 AM | Reply

Just a reminder, but Democracy won and Biden is President tomorrow. Some of you need to cheer up.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-19 11:32 AM | Reply

Trumpism isn't over.

Becoming complacent is the worst thing one could do.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-19 11:38 AM | Reply

You can be vigilant and cheerful. I promise.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-19 11:57 AM | Reply

@#18 ... Some of you need to cheer up. ...

I will be quite happy when Pres-elect Biden is inaugurated on the morrow.

But for now, and into the future, I will always be aware of the democracy-destroying force that Pres Trump, enabled and cheered on by the GOP, has awakened.

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-01-19 11:57 AM | Reply

If the Reps weren't that way, you would have little to complain about. If Dems weren't anti-Constitutional freedom, Reps wouldn't have much to complain about. Both sides would be complaining about little things with no bearing on anything to try to spread their partisan hate. So, at least we have something common both sides.

#22 | Posted by humtake at 2021-01-19 12:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#22 ... Both sides ...

There you go again...


#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-01-19 12:11 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

I think you're the most intellectually lazy person on this site.

If Dems weren't anti-Constitutional freedom

They're not, numbnuts.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2021-01-19 12:35 PM | Reply

It's because they think and reason like teenaged children. They don't appreciate what they've been given gratis by the various governments growing up. Like tens of trillions of dollars of infrastructure. Schools, hospitals, libraries, roads and streets, various and sundry government agencies that take care of the everyday details of living in an advanced economy, etc. All they see is the taxes taken out of their paycheck and curse the government.

The question is: how do you treat spoiled rotten children? Any of you fathers out there, would you give a stone to your son instead of bread? Or if he asked for a fish, would you give him a snake? These are basic necessities, though. What to do when your teenaged son wantx a fully trick-ed out F150. Do you respond, "I can't because the government is taxing me too much? How would any father reading this respond to a spoilt teenager and you have your answer on how to keep these adult children/insurrectionists from behaving like ridiculous, treacherous, insurrectionist, rebelious brats.

My solution is to ignore them and if they escalate to violence, or temper tantrums, arrest them and send them to their room for a while to think it over until their pouting stops. If that doesns't work, take away video games or motorbikes or whatever they love to do. I don't know how to apply that last analogy to the government, though. Usually spending 48 houors in the can gets ones' mind right if your're an adult.

#25 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-19 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also, not to quibble with words, but they're more than just Anti-Statist. While that is a significant part of their psychological makeup, I'd go a step further and call them duped, ignorant, traitors.

But Anti-Statist will do.

#26 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-19 03:25 PM | Reply

People who are, by and large, responsible for their own misfortunes but will blame anybody but themselves.

Yes, people, by and large, are responsible for their own misfortunes. However, it is important to note the role of government in causing and/or accelerating their misfortunes. The off shoring of jobs, failure to adequately fund educational institutions, failure to adequately fund infrastructure are beyond the ability of individual citizens cope with. Only the collective will of many citizens (aka government) can deal with those issues.

Governments need to prepare its citizens for major economic changes. Most individuals don't have to foresight and/or resources and/or time left to respond to those type of changes.

#27 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2021-01-19 05:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're giving trump's cult too much credit.

They're not anti statist. They love the state when it's enforcing their idiocy on others.

They're just anti liberal. Whatever liberals want, they are determined to fight. If liberals want to fix schools and healthcare, repubs fight to defund them. If liberals want to limit pollution, repubs want MORE pollution. If liberals want to fight a pandemic, the stupid cult actually becomes pandemic deniers, killing themselves and others. That's serious dedication to a cult mentality.

This cult of morons blames their own loser lives on others - liberals, minorities, gays, etc. They've felt inferior to smarter liberals their whole lives, because they ARE inferior. But instead of improving themselves and helping fix the country, they'd rather simply hurt others and drag everyone down into their gutter of suffering. Trump represented an opportunity to hurt liberals, and of course they're too stupid and brainwashed to see he hurts them too.

These morons will be the death of us. It's probably already too late. Their brainwashing is complete, and they're willing to kill fellow citizens or be imprisoned for it now.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-01-19 05:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"The off shoring of jobs, failure to adequately fund educational institutions, failure to adequately fund infrastructure
#27 | POSTED BY FEDUPWITHPOLS "

You got 2 out of 3 right. The government and big-business GOP pushed for offshoring of jobs to increase profits. The environmentalist Dems pushed for the offshoring because they didn't want manufacturing in the US and any job that didn't move willingly, they forced out via regulations.

As to education - we don't suffer from a funding issue. We suffer from a government issue whereby the schools water down standards to the point that the education received is near worthless. K-12 has been transformed into a teen age day care. When the Dems weren't satisfied to end there, they set about destroying universities, and have done a bang up job. The quality of education is terrible and the price goes up 10% a year. But, that system is near and end now. We will see if they reform themselves or go by the way of brick in mortar in the face of Amazon.

#29 | Posted by MensaMan at 2021-01-19 11:09 PM | Reply

Anti-statist only to the extent they are anti-any government that doesn't follow their fascist theories 100%.If tRump had declared martial law and shut down the election,they'd be all pro-big government.

#30 | Posted by northguy3 at 2021-01-20 10:16 AM | Reply

They want the old America,with good productive jobs. Not the rust belt they've been bequeathed.

Sadly they also want the 1950s mindset that existed then.And,of course, the cheap goods that flow from countries like China as well as American-made cheap goods created by rightwing union-busting policies.
And Republican Jesus forbid, the wealth taxes rates that existed then,too.

#31 | Posted by northguy3 at 2021-01-20 10:21 AM | Reply

"The off shoring of jobs, failure to adequately fund educational institutions, failure to adequately fund infrastructure are beyond the ability of individual citizens cope with."
And yet, they invariably vote for the party that does the most damage to these issues.
Many rightwing voters are suicidebelt voters-they'll happily screw themselves and their kids as long as some liberl or minority suffers, too.

#32 | Posted by northguy3 at 2021-01-20 10:24 AM | Reply

" Even if these "fascists" are in fact blue-collar workers who see the left sacrificing their livelihoods on the alter of left-wing idealism in order to please urban elites.

#12 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It isn't what they "see",it's what they are told they are seeing. Multi-nationals rent the GOP to get laws making it easier to offshore jobs (Hell, the GOP ran a couple of guys who got rich offshoring jobs for the Presidency and Senate) and the righties still vote en mass for them. GOPpers write "right to work" laws to bust Unions and who votes for them? Liberal elites?
tRump's trade war was a miserable failure and hammered the incomes of farmers across the nation and the farm community lined up to vote for tRump (and get their"it's not evil socialism when I get the money" farm welfare checks).
Dems try to make it easier for working class members to get into post-secondary education and their parents line up to vote against that.

#33 | Posted by northguy3 at 2021-01-20 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's Anarchist and Anti-American is what it is...

#34 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-01-21 09:00 AM | Reply

"Dems try to make it easier for working class members to get into post-secondary education and their parents line up to vote against that."

Are you implying that post-secondary education is the consolation prize for forcing them out of their chosen careers?

Maybe they would prefer to be doctors and lawyers. But if they don't, they're being told by the Democratic party than their livelihoods are a willing sacrifice to make in the interest of processive ideological purity.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-01-21 09:30 AM | Reply

"And Republican Jesus forbid, the wealth taxes rates that existed then, too."

I think the wealthiest Americans would be more than satisficed with a 90% tax rate, so long as it was accompanied with the same list of deductions that the pre-TRA 86 tax rates came with.

It was the wealthiest Americans that opposed TRA 86. High tax rates are meaningless when you can deduct most of what you've paid.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-01-21 09:32 AM | Reply

Comments are closed for this entry.

Home | Breaking News | Comments | User Blogs | Stats | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Privacy | Copyright 2021 World Readable

Drudge Retort