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Thursday, January 21, 2021

As investigations into the security failures during the Capitol riots continue, the Washington Post reports that the U.S. Army repeatedly and falsely denied that Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn, the brother of Trump's disgraced former national security adviser Michael Flynn, participated in a key meeting where Army officials were reportedly reluctant to deploy the National Guard because of the optics of a military response at the Capitol.

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Again, sad but necessary. Twenty-five thousand troops armed to the teeth to make the inauguration safe from violence. It did make any idiots think twice about pulling some stupid stunt.

#1 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-21 10:59 AM | Reply

"Though law enforcement in D.C. were overrun and asking for help, senior officials were reportedly concerned about the optics of deploying soldiers to the Capitol. The Pentagon, for its part, defended its conduct during the Capitol riots and said it was responding to the city's desire to "keep things de-escalated." "

After gassing protestors for Fat Nixons bible photo op?

This whole scenario stinks.

Five people killed and they're worried about optics?

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-01-21 11:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The Biden administration now needs to look into if there was a military cover up in DC.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2021-01-21 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Post story notes that Charles Flynn was supposed to be in the room during the phone calls and discussion about the insurrection. It was a part of his duties, but he didn't have any role in what transpired but for listening in case he was later asked to facilitate any orders stemming from those making the decisions.

That doesn't explain why someone lied about Flynn's presence in the room and it doesn't answer to what the former Capitol Police chief reported that someone in the Pentagon said, alluding to his opinion that the demonstration was "peaceful" and didn't necessitate the involvement of the military - something consistent with how Michael Flynn would likely describe the mob scene his own exhortations fueled, justified by the ends he openly sought, namely the stopping of Joe Biden's electoral college vote certification.

As has been said already, this incident is ripe for further investigation to find out what exactly happened and who might be culpable for transgressions.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-01-21 08:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ya know... I realize I make people squirm when I refuse to revere military personal be they active, discharged, or retired. Did anyone notice that relative to the general population, the mob that trashed the capital had a higher than average military representation? Not only that, those same "patriots" helped train the crazy fuch wannabe militias they hang with, advanced tin foil hat warfare.
They are traitors.

#5 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-01-22 12:19 AM | Reply

"Did anyone notice that relative to the general population, the mob that trashed the capital had a higher than average military representation?"

Do you think it's a coincidence that the USMC banned displaying the Confederate flag last year?
I think it's a reaction to a growing number of White Nationalists in the ranks.
In fact I can think of no other legitimate reason for the ban.

We as a nation have our work cut out for us, fighting this cancer.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-22 12:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The military has been put to the test by traitors and white supremacists. Infiltrated for decades by radical fascists and Evangelicals. What a mess. Same with the FBI. I'm guessing the Russians have agents everywhere. All of these agencies need to take a good look at everyone, including leadership.

Having a Lt. General involved in the Capitol sedition event, regardless of what that "involvement" entailed? Yeah, bad optics, especially since his brother was pardoned for lying to the FBI during the Russia scandal. Nepotism isn't a good look when traitors are involved.

#7 | Posted by chuffy at 2021-01-22 02:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Relative to population S. Carolina, Florida, Hawaii, Georgia, and Alabama contribute the most men. South Carolina is way ahead, 50% more than it's share. "Too small for a Republic, too big for an insane asylum". A typical enlistee is poorer, more southern, and less educated than the population. All three of those things makes one more likely to be a racist. And hasn't it always been this way? Some of you seem a bit alarmist. I suspect the military is one of the best cures to racism.
For every 10 bigots recruited some number greater than 0 leave without that burden.

Balance in the Officer corp looks dodgy, though. Too white. But what ain't?


#8 | Posted by BluSky at 2021-01-22 04:56 AM | Reply

Twenty-five thousand troops armed to the teeth to make the inauguration safe from violence.

#1 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST AT 2021-01-21 10:59 AM | FLAG:

They were absolutely not "armed to the teeth". They deployed with a very light amount of firepower.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-22 07:38 AM | Reply

No mortars, no shoulder fired missiles, no artillery support, no MANPADs, no heavy machinegun positions...

25,000 Americans with rifles is a very dangerous force... but that's the least dangerous way we use them.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-22 07:40 AM | Reply

Sorry to disagree with you Sitzkrieg, but 25,000 troops with M4 carbines and M16A4 automatic rifles with optional bayonet fixtures I consider armed to the teeth.

#11 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-22 08:32 AM | Reply

General Charles Flynn may be a loyal patriot, but these actions need verifying, and if true, investigating:

Gen. Charles Flynn was nominated Nov. 30 and confirmed Dec. 20 by R committee including Cotton, Hawley and Rick Scott.

The Congressional record shows he was confirmed via voice vote by the Armed Services Committee on Dec 20th, which is a Sunday.

Who confirmed Michael Flynn's brother 2.5 weeks before the insurrection? Was everyone present?

12/18 DoD stops meeting with the transition team 12/20 Flynn Brother begins work at DoD.

twitter.com

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-22 08:55 AM | Reply

Of course, the investigation needs to go far beyond Charles Flynn. Why, for example, did it take 90 minutes for Maryland Gov Hogan to get permission to send in the National Guard from his state, despite repeated requests from his office at the urgent prompting of Steny Hoyer:

Hogan explained that while on a video conference call with Japan's ambassador, his chief of staff interrupted to tell him "the U.S. Capitol was under attack." He organized an emergency meeting to mobilize the police and Maryland National Guard, he said, and during the meeting, Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), the No. 2 House Democrat, called from "an undisclosed bunker" to tell Hogan that Capitol Police were "overwhelmed" by the pro-Trump mob storming the Capitol.

Hoyer was "pleading with us" to send the National Guard, Hogan said, and he had to tell him authorization had not yet come through. About 90 minutes later, Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy called Hogan to ask, "Can you come as soon as possible?" The governor responded, "Yeah, we've been waiting. We're ready."

"I can't tell you what was going on on the other end, on the decision-making process," Hogan said. "There's been lots of speculation in the media about that, but I'm not privy to what was going on inside the White House or inside the Pentagon."


theweek.com

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-22 09:06 AM | Reply

Again, these actions need to be investigated:

President Trump reportedly refused initial requests to send in the National Guard, with Vice President Mike Pence ultimately interfacing with Defense Department officials and giving the order to mobilize units.
www.forbes.com

Hogan told the Washington Post that Maj. Gen. Timothy Gowen, the adjutant general of the Maryland National Guard, "was repeatedly rebuffed by the head of the National Guard at the federal level."

Hogan said about 90 minutes after the plea from Hoyer and debates back and forth with Gowen, he got a phone call from Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, not acting Secretary of Defense Christopher C. Miller.

"Out of the blue, not from the secretary of defense, not through what would be normal channels. McCarthy asked if the Maryland guardsmen could "come as soon as possible," Hogan said.


www.rawstory.com

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-22 09:20 AM | Reply

Incidentally, 25,000 troops is 5 entire brigades, or 2.5 Divisions, or 1 entire Corps. The next step up is a Field Army, which is headed by a full four-star General or a 3-star Lieutenant General.

Add in all the cops and state troopers brought in and you've got a serious security force.

#15 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-22 09:21 AM | Reply

Sorry to disagree with you Sitzkrieg, but 25,000 troops with M4 carbines and M16A4 automatic rifles with optional bayonet fixtures I consider armed to the teeth.

#11 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST AT 2021-01-22 08:32 AM | FLAG:

Okay, but it's not. Sensible optics prevent them from being heavily armed. The number of troops is because that's about how many Trumpers were at the rally that turned into a riot.

Heavily armed is when they break out MRAPs with Mk 19 grenade launchers on top.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-22 09:25 AM | Reply

Sitz, maybe you're right, but I don't know if they had any M203 grenade launchers affixed to any of their rifles. Filled with tear gas, of course...not munitions. But I suspect there was plenty of tear gas at the ready if the needs had been.

#17 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-22 09:31 AM | Reply

It's not like they needed LAW rockets or AT4 missile launchers or hand grenades, I'll agree. But if you'll forgive my ego, I would still call the armed forces presence and various cops, plus a Coast Guard warship floating on the Potomac river armed to the teeth.

#18 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-22 09:35 AM | Reply

PS Any updates on Ayanna Presley's claim that the panic buttons in her office had been removed?

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-01-22 09:58 AM | Reply

"I suspect the military is one of the best cures to racism."

I used to think that.

The past 20 years or so have led me to believe it's not much of a priority any more.

Exhibit A: Haji.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-22 12:33 PM | Reply

But I suspect there was plenty of tear gas at the ready if the needs had been.

#17 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST AT 2021-01-22 09:31 AM | FLAG:

No M203. They were sent with basic riot control gear, yeah. If you're expecting coordinated militias attacks you want a bit more, just sayin' :) Have a nice weekend!

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-22 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More nationalist than racist. Before Haji it was Charlie, Nips, Jerry & Fritz... There's always slang for the enemy.

Here's a proper Exhibit A: Coffee is November Juliet.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-22 01:34 PM | Reply

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