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Monday, January 25, 2021

Chicago Teachers Union members have voted to defy Chicago Public Schools' reopening plans and continue working from home Monday because of health and safety concerns.



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I wonder if the Superintendent will discipline them with a cricket bat with holes drilled in it.

#1 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-24 10:14 PM | Reply they did when and where I was "reared."

#2 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-01-24 10:15 PM | Reply


My little brother got that treatment in elementary school in TX in the '60s. Our Dad paid the VPrinciple a visit and that guy stuttered ever after.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2021-01-25 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

City schools here PARENTS voted to do the same thing - 75% said keep the kids home. The teachers in the city are the end of the list of districts receiving vaccines. The township, which is much more affluent, voted the exact opposite.

Also weirdly most of the massive outbreak this fall in the state of Michigan was tracked to outbreaks at - schools. Over 200 large scale events.

#4 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-01-25 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There is a shortage of teachers and LEO.
Both jobs are now too thankless and too hazardous.
Who ultimately suffers? Kids and poor people. Thanks PC. Smh

#5 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-01-26 08:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Re-opening is linked directly to the strength of your teacher's union. Biden is trying to throw $130 billion, more than double Congresses annual education funding, at the unions to get them to go back to work.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-26 08:23 AM | Reply

#5 - you were doing OK until you went to "PC."
That has zero to do with it.
You should have 'SMH' on that and you would have actually made a point.

Teaching here is horrid because pay sucks, such is how they're valued. If you aren't valued enough to pay, and you're bringing in supplies (or asking friends to help supply the classroom), then the message is loud and clear: You and your students just aren't that important. It's not PC that's causing that problem.

You want teachers back in school? Vaccinate them. Move them to the front of the line. Pretend you care about them - and the kids - though the truth is most just want that "free daycare" the schools are stepping in and providing.

As for LEO - past time to purge and reform them.
No problem with them not being able to hire - not until they get their act together and get cleaned up, and get a new structure in place.
That's not because of PC - unless you're calling PC holding them accountable, making sure they don't just kill people because "I feared for my life" because the guy had a cell phone (if even that). Way past time for that.
Qualified Immunity needs to be the first thing on the list to go.

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2021-01-26 08:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There was a teacher shortage before covid appeared. Many fear for their life, they can't maintain order and the Lil darlings know it.
Ergo..bad job.

#8 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-01-26 09:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ergo..bad job.


No job is a "bad job" if the reward is worth the risk.

The reward is no longer worth the risk. Obviously.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-01-26 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Teaching here is horrid because pay sucks

#7 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2021-01-26 08:42 AM | FLAG:

The average teacher in the US makes a little over $58k from their paycheck. On average 33% of their compensation comes from benefits, bringing their total average compensation around $88k annual. That's per the Department of Education and Department of Labor. Newsflash, their unions are not weak. Even in Texas where "there are no teachers unions", there are teachers unions that do everything a union does except collective negotiations on pay.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-26 10:14 AM | Reply

88K with summers off is pretty good pay.
Still not worth getting beat up in class.

#11 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-01-26 10:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Under 50K here.!6416!3!225273156149!b!!g!!teacher%20pay&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn6yX0fK57gIVfPvjBx1miQ1vEAAYASAAEgIy8_D_BwE

Again, not sure what your point is.

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2021-01-26 10:22 AM | Reply

"Again, not sure what your point is.

~tap tap.. YAV, rise and shine son.
The point is that teaching is now a dangerous profession.

#13 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-01-26 10:27 AM | Reply

#13 - that's a narrative you keep pushing, Phester.

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2021-01-26 10:30 AM | Reply

"The average teacher in the US makes a little over $58k from their paycheck."

You're not counting the "average" teacher; you're including the bloated salaries of superintendents and the like.

"On average 33% of their compensation comes from benefits"

Again, this includes the top-heavy layers. Otherwise, you're saying the basic equation of teachers is an additional 50% of their salaries go for benefits.

"...bringing their total average compensation around $88k annual. "

Horsehockey metric. NO ONE who makes a $60,000 salary, when asked what they make, answer in salary and benefits.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-01-26 10:41 AM | Reply


Actually, for the past 20 years, I receive a pretty little report about this time of year summarizing and totaling my compensation and they add in what the company pays for on my behalf.

group benefits
401-K match including profit share

and it all totals at the bottom for a number that's considerably higher than your W-2 wages.

It's intended to make you feel valued

Personally, I think it's a psychological tool to keep people from asking for raises.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2021-01-26 10:47 AM | Reply

Public School Teacher Salary in New York, NY |
How much does a Public School Teacher make in New York, NY? The average Public School Teacher salary in New York, NY is $70,725 as of December 28, 2020, but the range typically falls between $61,740 and $81,646 .

#17 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-01-26 10:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#15 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2021-01-26 10:41 AM | FLAG:

No. It's broken out. Administrators are separate. I have noticed my kids elementary school principal drives a Porsche Panamera 4S. The Fed says 33% of their total compensation comes in benefits. Of that average $88k, it costs US taxpayers $120k to cover the benefits and overhead.

Total Compensation is a metric used for jobs, particularly government jobs. It's part of the military review process to set compensation so the military pays a total compensation better than equivalent civilian jobs.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-26 10:52 AM | Reply

Baltimore County Public Schools$58.55 per hour

New York City Department of Education$46.05 per hour

District of Columbia Public Schools$45.11 per hour

Chicago Public Schools$45.10 per hour

#19 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-01-26 10:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

the elementary principle's lifestyle is what you think the teachers have?
you're not helping.
Like phester choosing the highest absolute dollar amount from all 50 states and the district of columbia.
it is all so unrealistic. so ridiculous.

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2021-01-26 11:00 AM | Reply

#19 On like a 1120 hour work year. Normal jobs work 2000 hours a year. Don't you know that?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-01-26 11:00 AM | Reply

the elementary principle's lifestyle is what you think the teachers have?

it is all so unrealistic. so ridiculous.

#20 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2021-01-26 11:00 AM | FLAG:

I didn't bring up administrators. Somebody else did saying their numbers were tied into the teacher's. That's only in the additional $40k overhead beyond the teacher's compensation. Here in Houston elementary principals start at $75k salary + another 33% in benefits similar to teachers. Add 20k cash for Middle School. Add another $20k for High Schools. Add another $40k if it's considered hard to staff. That's in the 0 to 3 year experience row on the chart. Porsche money baby!

Teachers are Nissan Rogue money if they have kids or a habit. Audi Q5 money if they don't.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-26 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My wife was a teacher for one year after college. She taught Spanish at a Catholic HS, and was told certain kids could not receive bad grades because their parents gave lots of money to the Parish. She has been a loving stay-at-home mom to two daughters, and a wage earner after they left home. She taught herself about personal computers in the Early Eighties, and she made good money until she retired a few years ago.

She says she would never teach if she had it to do over again.

If I was a teacher I would refuse to return to the classroom just to get sick and likely die. Kudos to the refusnik teachers!

#23 | Posted by john47 at 2021-01-26 01:30 PM | Reply

#23 - Exactly. One of my friends chose to retire early. She wasn't about to put herself at risk.

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2021-01-26 02:45 PM | Reply

I began substituting with Teachers on Call, then COVID happened. Then, pandemic getting worse, they opened schools up and my phone was buzzing for substitute opportunities every morning. I took not a one, and effed off to teach in South Korea instead.

#25 | Posted by hamburglar at 2021-01-26 06:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden's CDC recommends re-opening schools.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-27 08:55 AM | Reply

Everybody is hype for the war on Police Unions.

The bloody battle for Dems is the upcoming fight against teachers unions to reopen education.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-27 08:57 AM | Reply

There are a lot of qualifications in that link, Sitz.

For instance upgrading HVAC systems before opening, expanded and regular testing for asymptomatic spread, and keeping online classes operating. It's not "Oh, everyone go back to school" at all. Nothing like that. Furthermore the CDC website has specific qualifications and risk assessments.

#28 | Posted by YAV at 2021-01-27 09:11 AM | Reply

Indeed. Have you seen the Union demands on the opposite side? Many have nothing to do with Covid, it's long term union political goals.

As for implementation, they've been doing all of that here since August. They ended up closing the expanded testing facilities from lack of use. I think the highest rate of return-to-school is 93%, the elementary levels are doing much better than high schools.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-01-27 09:35 AM | Reply

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