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Tuesday, February 16, 2021

U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisconsin, has claimed accounts of the January 6th's events are being exaggerated. He made his case Feb. 15, 2021, in an appearance on "The Jay Weber Show" on WISN radio. "The fact of the matter is this didn't seem like an armed insurrection to me. I mean armed, when you hear armed, don't you think of firearms?" Johnson said. "Here's the questions I would have liked to ask. How many firearms were confiscated? How many shots were fired? I'm only aware of one, and I'll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot." Politifact has declared Rep. Johnson's remarks as being "Pants on Fire" false.

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So this is how the Republicans would like to move on? Down playing an armed insurrection?

We can't even agree on the definition of "arms." How in the hell are we to expect these morons in congress to get anything done? Our government is STILL operating under the perspective of a split reality. Trump's infection runs deep and Ron Johnson is proving that American politics will not be on the mend anytime soon.

No witnesses, right? We need to get ---- done, right? Whelp, we're waiting for this great work to be accomplished while Republicans are refusing to acknowledge basic facts of reality.

Ron Johnson's remarks are also a full-throated admission that the insurrectionists were Trumpers and not Antifa. So, at least we've got that going for ourselves.

#1 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-02-16 03:06 PM | Reply

"Fact of the matter is, I have an opinion on the matter that does not square with reports on the ground."

#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-02-16 03:06 PM | Reply

"I mean armed, when you hear armed, don't you think of firearms?"

I usually think of firearms.
In this case I'm also thinking of pipe bombs.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-16 03:09 PM | Reply

I usually think of firearms.
#3 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Many firearms were confiscated, as indicated in the article. And Molotov cocktails. Politifact does a decent job exposing Johnson as the disingenuous liar that he is.

Besides, "armed with a pitchfork" is a correctly structured phrase.

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-02-16 03:17 PM | Reply

How about this. Johnson lets somebody spray him in the face with bear spray then hit him with a flag pole and we time how long before he says stop.

If it's no big deal then it should go for a long time one would think...

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2021-02-16 03:42 PM | Reply

What else can Rs do?

#6 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2021-02-16 04:40 PM | Reply

Ron Johnson and the emerging hoax-ification of the Capitol riot

[Johnson] added in another interview: "To call that an armed insurrection, it was the most pitiful armed insurrection anyone could possibly imagine." He said he was "literally never afraid" during the riot and suggested that the danger to Vice President Mike Pence " about whom rioters chanted, "Hang Mike Pence!" " was overblown.

Johnson's comments bear some resemblance to what one of Trump's lawyers said at the Senate impeachment trial last week. At one point, Bruce L. Castor Jr. said the word "insurrection" didn't apply.

"Clearly, there was no insurrection," Castor said. Such a thing "involves taking over a country, a shadow government, taking the TV stations over and having some plan on what you're going to do when you finally take power," he added. "Clearly, this is not that."

This was later contradicted by another member of Trump's team, Michael van der Veen, who said: "The question before us is not whether there was a violent insurrection of the Capitol. On that point, everyone agrees."

www.washingtonpost.com

Sounds like Johnson is just butt hurt that the insurrection failed.

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-02-16 04:47 PM | Reply

But will this ------- suffer any repercussions for this egregious misrepresentation of facts?

Short answer: No.

#8 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-02-16 04:57 PM | Reply

Gosh, does he think one of his own was shot with a pellet gun? He needs to go back to making cheese.

#9 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2021-02-16 05:07 PM | Reply

Give them enough time, the Republicans will just be calling it a picnic.

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-02-16 05:13 PM | Reply

If they had all come with spears they would still be armed insurrectionists.

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-16 06:39 PM | Reply

If you attack and strike me with a hockey stick, a flag poll, or a police baton, that is felony armed assault.

#12 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-02-16 06:50 PM | Reply

And don't forget that the Reichstag fire was set by Communist arsonists. What came later was all their fault...
--Nazi propaganda

#13 | Posted by catdog at 2021-02-16 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What LEO died as a result of the insurrectionist act at the Capitol and what was the cause of death... Put up, or shut up. Links needed.

#14 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-02-16 08:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

What LEO died as a result of the insurrectionist act at the Capitol?
Brian Sicknick.

What was the cause of death?
The cause of death has not been publicly stated.

www.uscp.gov

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-16 09:03 PM | Reply

I still can't believe Wisconsinites voted this douchebag in over Russ Feingold, the only U.S. Senator who voted against the Patriot Act.

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-02-16 09:20 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY SENTINEL-Don't forget that Wisconsin also gave us way too many years of a useless Eddie Munster as Speaker of the House.

#17 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2021-02-17 05:12 AM | Reply

Insurrections
noun. an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.

So everything I have said about BLM is absolutely true going by the definition. In other words, if Dems are angry about the Capitol riots and feel action should be taken against those people (and it should...severe and violent action against them imo), then Dems must ALSO believe that the same thing should happen to people who have done the same thing against the civil authorities and those buildings during BLM riots.

You can't escape that. You endorsed rioting for insurrectionists and now you are demonizing it. What will you do to take back the damage you did by supporting BLM and start holding them responsible for their insurrections?

#18 | Posted by humtake at 2021-02-17 12:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#18 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE A

Has your mother turned you in for what you did at the Capitol, January 6th?

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2021-02-17 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You endorsed rioting for insurrectionists and now you are demonizing it."

Was George Washington an insurrectionist, Humtake?
Do you endorse George Washington, or demonize him?
Remember: You have to do the same for all other insurrectionists!

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-17 01:00 PM | Reply

This is why I disagreed with the notion that 1-6 (it will never be remembered that way like 9-11) was a bigger event than 9-11.

just 5 weeks later, it's possible to revise what happened.

Despite the fact that criminal prosecutions will linger on for years to come.....it won't get much press. The people being prosecuted will be the guilty and nobody else, even though we have evidence tying politicians to these criminals....hell terrorists

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-17 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Re 21

Sounds a lot like wishful thinking to me.

You WISH it would all go away.

But. It's not going away. Not until we get to the Oranges!

Remember, remember the 6th of January, the Trumptilian treason and plot.

I see no reason that the Trumptilian treason shall ever be forgot!

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-02-18 10:00 AM | Reply

-You WISH it would all go away.

You WISH you were a real man

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-18 11:15 AM | Reply

okay... I'm willing to play their game...

Would you prefer TREASON instead?

#24 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-02-18 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Insurrections
noun. an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.

So everything I have said about BLM is absolutely true going by the definition. In other words, if Dems are angry about the Capitol riots and feel action should be taken against those people (and it should...severe and violent action against them imo), then Dems must ALSO believe that the same thing should happen to people who have done the same thing against the civil authorities and those buildings during BLM riots.

You can't escape that. You endorsed rioting for insurrectionists and now you are demonizing it. What will you do to take back the damage you did by supporting BLM and start holding them responsible for their insurrections?

#18 | Posted by humtake

If you find yourself arguing about semantics when your cult tries to end democracy and kill police officers, you might be a fascist insurrectionist.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-02-18 12:02 PM | Reply

Definitely a good thing they left their guns at home.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-02-18 12:49 PM | Reply

The Republican Party has become the GQP, the home for liars, conspirators and thieves.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 12:53 PM | Reply

This is why I disagreed with the notion that 1-6 (it will never be remembered that way like 9-11) was a bigger event than 9-11.

Yea! 9/11 brought the nation together.

1/06 tore the nation apart.

If only we could blow up another country for the events of 1/06. Perhaps then you'd realize what a big deal it was.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#28 Clownshack, I would argue that 9-11 begat 1-6.

9-11 made much greater impact on white conservative Christian America than it did any other segment of the population. They were officially given license to play the "eternal victim" of rampaging, uncivilized brown-skinned hordes from the Middle East and Africa-- in turn making enemies of their "sympathizers-- the liberals). The most powerful economic, social and militarized segment in the world was given a carte blanche to play the "sympathy" card and circle the wagons. And to this day they are still victimized and still circling...

It has become clear that America can only "solve" it's problems if it can go overseas and bomb a bunch of brown skinned people in revenge-- or at least pull bread out of their babies' mouths and sanction them as a form of collective punishment under the guise of promoting "regime change".

If that option isn't available (as in the case of 1-6), the curtain is drawn, the great Wizard becomes exposed and America is seen fore what it is-- a paper tiger who can't hold those accountable through its hallowed institutions of law and of justice-- especially those who sit ensconced in chairs of political power or grease the hands of those in the 3 branches of government.

#29 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-02-18 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Definitely a good thing they left their guns at home.
#26 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Many of them didn't.

#30 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-02-18 01:49 PM | Reply

In order for it to be an event 'bigger than 9/11' The Official Narrative has to agree that it was bigger than 9/11.
Eberly (it seems to me) is simply pointing out: look at the how this is being re-framed, just 40-some days later. Hell, there was only about a 48 hour period where a flicker of shame and contrition passed through the GOP before they got back to normal and correctly assessed that no, there is no going too far for their base.

Personally, I think 1-6 could be bigger, but only if events unfold in the future that turn it into some sort of Chapter 1.

#31 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-02-18 01:51 PM | Reply

Personally, I think 1-6 could be bigger, but only if events unfold in the future that turn it into some sort of Chapter 1.

#31 | Posted by schifferbrains

The first battle in a new civil war is a far bigger event than any foreign attack.

America can't be defeated by outside forces. The only thing that can ruin the country are corrupt conservatives and their lunatic voters.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-02-18 01:59 PM | Reply

Many of them didn't.

#30 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2021-02-18 01:49 PM | FLAG:

Then how serious am I supposed to take a mild riot when they don't even bother to shoot anybody?

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-02-18 02:09 PM | Reply

and before people get triggered by "mild", white people have a history of lynching black people in mass during riots, so you've come a long way as a race.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-02-18 02:10 PM | Reply

Then how serious am I supposed to take a mild riot when they don't even bother to shoot anybody?
#33 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

In terms of context, very serious, IMO. You don't bring a gun to an insurrection, no matter how mild, without the intent to use it, regardless of outcome.

It's the intent that you should be serious about. You know, the intent of stopping the congressional vote count so that Trump could remain in power. Many of those on the ground were hoping the police and national guard would take up their cause, no need to shoot. At least, that's what many of them were trying to do on Jan. 6, convince the police to support their cause of stopping Biden from taking power, nullifying a democratic election and tens of millions of votes (also referred to as an insurrection, no matter how mild the mob appeared to be). I suppose the question back to you would be, why would you shoot the person your trying to convince to change sides?

#35 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-02-18 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-1/06 tore the nation apart.

that sounds serious.

everybody I know is going about their business as though 1-6 didn't even happen.

They sure as hell weren't doing that 40 days after 9-11.

"Eberly (it seems to me) is simply pointing out: look at the how this is being re-framed, just 40-some days later. Hell, there was only about a 48 hour period where a flicker of shame and contrition passed through the GOP before they got back to normal and correctly assessed that no, there is no going too far for their base."

Exactly.

"Personally, I think 1-6 could be bigger, but only if events unfold in the future that turn it into some sort of Chapter 1."

When 1-6 was unfolding and we were going at it here...someone (can't remember who) proffered this.."what if this is just the beginning? What if there is more to come at various State Capitols and other places?" I agreed that was a strong reason why 1-6 could eventually be bigger than 9-11.

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-18 02:33 PM | Reply

-Then how serious am I supposed to take a mild riot when they don't even bother to shoot anybody?

It's perplexing what was going through some of their heads.

Look at what some of they are saying now....that they had no idea what they were doing, so ashamed, etc.....

I'll never really understand how these clowns thought storming the Capitol like they did wasn't the crime it really was.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-18 02:36 PM | Reply

The only reason 1/6 isn't bigger is it was a bunch of white conservatives.

If it were a bunch of black Americans. Or minorities. It would be a bigger deal.

If it was a bunch of foreigners. We'd be at war.

The only reason 1/6 is downplayed is because a large portion of the population supports the actions of the insurrectionists.

Especially our politicians and people in power.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 02:36 PM | Reply

everybody I know is going about their business as though 1-6 didn't even happen.

I'd put money on it that a portion of the people you know supported the insurrection of 1/6/21.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 02:37 PM | Reply

"If that option isn't available (as in the case of 1-6), the curtain is drawn, the great Wizard becomes exposed and America is seen fore what it is-- a paper tiger who can't hold those accountable through its hallowed institutions of law and of justice-- especially those who sit ensconced in chairs of political power or grease the hands of those in the 3 branches of government."

very well said

NW

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-18 02:38 PM | Reply

39

supported? maybe some but I think most were simply not that impacted by it. Not that big of a deal (a problem you think i have as well).

On the spectrum of how significant 1-6 was where I live, I'm probably in the top 20% for sure in terms of how significant I believe 1-6 was.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-18 02:45 PM | Reply

look at the how this is being re-framed, just 40-some days later.

Because Republicans realized their constituents didn't really seem to mind the actions of the insurrectionists.

What probably surprised them was how much today's GQP supported those insurrectionists.

So they flipped the script.

Again. This shouldn't diminish the actual severity of the attempt.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 02:45 PM | Reply

-Because Republicans realized their constituents didn't really seem to mind the actions of the insurrectionists.

I think in a short amount of time, Democrats will realize how little their constituents care about it and move on.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-18 02:49 PM | Reply

Then how serious am I supposed to take a mild riot when they don't even bother to shoot anybody?

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg

The first time anti american insurrectionists have ever overtaken the capital was 1/6. It's kind of a big deal, no matter how many republicans say we should just forgive them and move on (and wait for their next attack).

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-02-18 02:49 PM | Reply

I think in a short amount of time, Democrats will realize how little their constituents care about it and move on.

#43 | Posted by eberly

Why would they do that?

Republicans want to move on because it was their crime and they don't want any consequences from it because it failed.

Democrats want to move on because...why exactly? Suddenly they don't care about fascist insurrections?

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-02-18 02:50 PM | Reply

-Democrats want to move on because...why exactly? Suddenly they don't care about fascist insurrections?

The best reason I can give as to why the democrats will move on is because the media will move on.

Now, if Biden and the Democratic party majorities in congress continue to pursue the republican members of congress for their roles and the press keeps writing about it??

Then I'm wrong and they won't move on.

But I don't think that's going to happen.....and everyone will move on.

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-18 02:58 PM | Reply

I think in a short amount of time, Democrats will realize how little their constituents care about it and move on.
#43 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Other than Nancy Pelosi's possible investigation.

Most Democrats have.

They only used it to take one more swing at Trump.

In my opinion, at this time. For them to spend anymore time on it. Would secure their defeat in 2022.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 03:01 PM | Reply

Democrats need to move forward and show Americans what they can do.

To help fix, rebuild, and restore America.

ASAP.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 03:03 PM | Reply

everyone of the insurrectionists should do at least a year in general population.

#49 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-18 03:06 PM | Reply

"9-11 made much greater impact on white conservative Christian America than it did any other segment of the population. They were officially given license to play the "eternal victim" of rampaging, uncivilized brown-skinned hordes from the Middle East and Africa-- in turn making enemies of their "sympathizers-- the liberals)."

Underrated comment.

Two things to remember:
1. Our Republican President lied that they attacked us out of the blue for no reason.
2. The Republican President lied that they hate us for our freedoms.

Both of these lies feed into the victim mentality that now defines right-wing identity politics.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-18 03:08 PM | Reply

Why would they do that?

#45 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-02-18 02:50 PM | FLAG:

You seem like you need this "thing" to end with a bang. That's the stuff of fiction. The Trumpolution is going out with a whimper. The Proud Boys were a group bound by fear, now shattered by fear of snitches. De-platformed, dwindling, and leaderless. It's already lost the news cycle.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-02-18 03:09 PM | Reply

So they flipped the script.
Again. This shouldn't diminish the actual severity of the attempt.
#42 |

I agree that it shouldn't diminish the severity of what happened.

But this is probably digging into a real problem that gets worse each year: in this 24 hour news cycle, the spin doctors are able to flip the script on just about anything.

People have lost any sense of scale, and have the attention span of a fruit fly.

We are in a epistemological ---- storm.

Person, Woman, Camera, TV, Insurrection

#52 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-02-18 03:15 PM | Reply

everyone of the insurrectionists should do at least a year in general population.

The majority were let go with slaps on the wrists.

Few higher profile nobodies made the news.

All the politicians and media personnel, who influenced, encouraged, inflamed, and incited the insurrection have returned to work as usual.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 03:48 PM | Reply

#35 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2021-02-18 02:27 PM | FLAG:

Why would you throw a fire extinguisher at, club with a flagpole, bear spray, and crush people you're trying to convince? You need them on your team to locate Pelosi and Pence and fulfil this goofy fantasy that briefly interrupting a ceremonial procedure will coronate Emperor Trump, and the oath sworn military of the Constitutional Republic will simply go along with it, because an anonymous 4Chan poster claiming to be military intelligence said the world is secretly run by cannibal pedophiles.

Reasonably punish the ones the FBI can catch. The rest of us can move on with reality.

#54 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-02-18 03:54 PM | Reply

Not true Clown Shack they are still not done prosecuting everybody heck they haven't even arrested everybody just yet.

For example we are still trying to arrest a guy who gouged out the eye of a cop.

#55 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-18 03:55 PM | Reply

#54 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

You're only focusing on one segment of the crowd. Watch some video of the initial rush into the capitol. Insurrectionists were actively recruiting the police to their cause, even taking selfies.

#56 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-02-18 04:06 PM | Reply

-All the politicians and media personnel, who influenced, encouraged, inflamed, and incited the insurrection have returned to work as usual.

This what I'm saying.....and to be perfectly candid....it's what I predicted on 1-6.

Does Speaksoftly agree with you about this, Clown?

Or does she just have a fetish with me?

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-18 04:11 PM | Reply

To help fix, rebuild, and restore America.
ASAP.
#48 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

How in the hell is that supposed to happen without accountability of leadership?

#58 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-02-18 04:13 PM | Reply

This what I'm saying.....and to be perfectly candid....it's what I predicted on 1-6.

Here's the thing you still aren't acknowledging. Or if you have I missed it.

It's only "not a big deal" because of WHO was carrying out the actions.

That's it.

If it were literally any other demographic, it would be seen for the big deal it actually is.

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 04:34 PM | Reply

How in the hell is that supposed to happen without accountability of leadership?

This won't happen.

Too much time has passed for it to happen.

Blame it on whoever.

But the time to hold people accountable was January 7th, 2021.

I said this so many times.

In two news cycles, this will be forgotten.

1 news cycle = 2 weeks. We're just over a month away from it and it seems like so long ago Republicans have rewritten everything that happened and turned it into a Democratic hoax.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 04:37 PM | Reply

Oh. To answer the question.

I don't have high hopes for Democratic to do much in the next year.

Undoing everything Trump did takes time.

And Republicans seem to be in control whether in the minority or majority.

I guess we'll see.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 04:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The best reason I can give as to why the democrats will move on is because the media will move on.

Now, if Biden and the Democratic party majorities in congress continue to pursue the republican members of congress for their roles and the press keeps writing about it??

Then I'm wrong and they won't move on.

But I don't think that's going to happen.....and everyone will move on.

#46 | Posted by eberly

You've got us confused with YOUR party.

We don't get enraged about whatever the news tells us to be enraged about whether it's true or not.

Dems will keep trying to hold the fascist traitors accountable, repubs will block them, and then YOULL move on and quickly resume pretending that both sides are the problem.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-02-18 04:44 PM | Reply

-It's only "not a big deal" because of WHO was carrying out the actions.

I'm not denying that.

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-18 04:48 PM | Reply

-Dems will keep trying to hold the fascist traitors accountable,

are you reading any other posts on this thread? or just mine?

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-18 04:50 PM | Reply

I think in a short amount of time, Democrats will realize how little their constituents care about it and move on.
#43 | POSTED BY EBERLY
Other than Nancy Pelosi's possible investigation.
Most Democrats have.
They only used it to take one more swing at Trump.
In my opinion, at this time. For them to spend anymore time on it. Would secure their defeat in 2022.

#47 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I want to point out that the Dems are going to get their asses handed to them in 2022. I figure around 50 seat swing in the HoR (and many if not most will be Qanon whackos cause you know, gerrymandering and being primaried) and, once again, the dems will be asking why? Why, oh why?

I will point to the fact that impeachment was a joke and no republicans were held responsible.

#65 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-02-18 04:58 PM | Reply

Perhaps we should have those who sat in the chairs of leaders executed.

They wanted to play leader they get to feel what it's like to have lost an insurrection.

#66 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-18 05:03 PM | Reply

are you reading any other posts on this thread? or just mine?

#64 | Posted by eberly

Yeah I must have missed the posts by democratic leaders. Can you point me to them?

Unless you are dumb enough to think that a random internet poster proves that the democratic party will do this or that.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-02-18 05:08 PM | Reply

67

Actually it just proves you're an obsessed fan of mine.

You're interested in what I say and nobody else.

The fact that Truth, Clown, Schiffer, etc all see it as the same challenge/problem...that this will diminish in significance even within the democratic party.

And you're suggesting I'm happy about that?

I'm not. I want every member of congress that clearly conspired in this event prosecuted along with every single ------- who entered that building.

The ONLY disagreement I've ever had with any of you on this issue exists where I disagreed with the comparison to 9-11. That's it. nothing else.

And I'm not having that argument with you, Speak.

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-18 05:18 PM | Reply

Dems will keep trying to hold the fascist traitors accountable,

The executive branch passed on doing anything and the legislative branch got a second impeachment (which I guess is meaningless) but fumbled the conviction.

Maybe the judicial branch will do something. I guess New York and Georgia are thinking thoughts.

Some people are hopeful.

Still does nothing to any of the confessional members who incited the insurrection.

They're still in congress. With the blessings of their constituents.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 06:14 PM | Reply

Congressional

Obviously

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-02-18 06:15 PM | Reply

The fact that Truth, Clown, Schiffer, etc all see it as the same challenge/problem...that this will diminish in significance even within the democratic party.

And you're suggesting I'm happy about that?

#68 | Posted by eberly

I'm suggesting you get your info about what the democratic party is working on from whatever is big in the news. But our party isn't about splashy headlines designed to whip up frenzied morons, it's about getting work done, much of which is done behind the scenes after the short attention span idiots stop paying attention.

It would be a lot easier if we didn't care like republicans.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-02-18 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

>much of which is done behind the scenes after the short attention span idiots stop paying attention.

I hope this is true. I hope there is dedicated commission set up to find out every last detail and prosecute every offender.
What i'm seeing (and I'm not seeing everything) is a mixed bag. Going after people as trespassers caught on video.

I'd like to hear more about the culpability of our own government.

Are we building the case, slowly, amassing the evidence? Is someone in charge?

Or are we looking forward to spring training?

#72 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-02-18 07:00 PM | Reply

It's significant that Joe Biden seems to be moving on with his job and not commenting on Jan 6.

#73 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-02-18 07:02 PM | Reply

It's significant that Joe Biden seems to be moving on with his job and not commenting on Jan 6.

#73 | Posted by schifferbrains

That's because biden has the burden of caring about americans and wanting to save lives. He's prioritizing that above punishing the insurrection. I dont like it either but that's the burden of being a party that cares about saving lives.

Repubs have it easier. They will, and now HAVE, kill hundreds of thousands of people if they think it will help them politically.

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-02-18 08:21 PM | Reply

You're only focusing on one segment of the crowd. Watch some video of the initial rush into the capitol. Insurrectionists were actively recruiting the police to their cause, even taking selfies.

#56 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2021-02-18 04:06 PM | FLAG:

I watched all the different bits. I just don't find that particularly convincing, I've seen people beg police to change sides in a protest many times. When not directly fighting the police, I watched a bunch of stooges get led around by the nose by smart capitol officers after the VIPs had been cleared to the tunnels. Fire the guy with the MAGA hat, if possible due to his Union protections, that's completely inappropriate. Looking outside the overwhelming majority never went into the capitol and dispersed when ordered like most protesters do, and there's people outside yelling at the capitol police about why they aren't calling for back up to put an end to people rushing inside. Some revolution, the mob doesn't even agree it's one.

#75 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-02-19 10:19 AM | Reply

"Some revolution, the mob doesn't even agree it's one.
#75 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2021-02-19 10:19 AM"

So?

Over 150 years after it ended, many still will not refer to the Civil War as the "Civil War" or even acknowledge that it was a rebellion. Many continue to refer to it as the "War Between the States" or (and this one is priceless!): "That Recent Unpleasantness".

A rose by any other name...

#76 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2021-02-19 11:05 AM | Reply

It would be a lot easier if we didn't care like republicans.

#71 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Ain't that the strewth!

#77 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-02-19 11:09 AM | Reply

-I'm suggesting you get your info about what the democratic party is working on from whatever is big in the news.

You're wrong.

#78 | Posted by eberly at 2021-02-19 11:30 AM | Reply

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