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Sunday, February 21, 2021

Health officials around the world are racing to vaccinate enough people to stop the spread of COVID-19, but what qualifies as "enough" is still an open question.

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...The goal is to get to "herd immunity," which is when enough people have immunity, either from vaccination or a past infection, to stop uncontrolled spread.

Herd immunity doesn't make any one person immune, and outbreaks can still flare up. It means that a virus is no longer easily jumping from person to person, helping to protect those who are still vulnerable to catching it.

Nobody knows for sure what the herd immunity threshold is for the coronavirus, though many experts say it's 70% or higher. And the emergence of variants is further complicating the picture.

Here's what's known about the virus and herd immunity.

HOW IS THE HERD IMMUNITY THRESHOLD CALCUATED?

It's a formula based on how contagious a virus is " or how many people catch the virus from one infected person, on average....


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-02-20 12:34 PM | Reply

How will we know we've reached herd immunity?

Joe Biden will tell you.

I'm still LMAO that Jan 2021 was [supposed] to be the deadliest month of the pandemic, yet reports by February 5th said cases were at an all time low, hence opening of schools and businesses.

#2 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-02-20 08:16 PM | Reply

@#2 ... How will we know we've reached herd immunity?

Joe Biden will tell you ...

Why do you think that? Do you have an "in" into what Pres Biden is thinking to say? fwiw, that would be awesome, you may need to monetie that. (seriously dude....)

... I'm still LMAO that Jan 2021 was [supposed] to be the deadliest month of the pandemic, yet reports by February 5th said cases were at an all time low, hence opening of schools and businesses. ...

Really?

Here in Connecticut, what I saw was the following...

- going into November 2020, case rate was fairly low.

- going into December 2020, case rate started to rise.

- going into January 2021, case rate continued to rise.

- going into February 2021, case rate started to drop.

In early November, the Connecticut positivity rate was about 2%.

In January, the Connecticut positive test rate was around 8% (the predicted post-holiday increase)

Last week, here in Connecticut, the positive test percentage was under 2%.

This week it is over 2%, and slowly rising. Is this due to the UK variant being established here?

I don't know where you heard that January 2021 was supposed to be the deadliest month of the pandemic, can you please post a link?
thx.


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-02-20 08:31 PM | Reply

5 days LMAO 5 days - you can't make this up.

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-02-20 08:52 PM | Reply

@#4 ... 5 days LMAO 5 days - you can't make this up. ...

What do you seem to be so giddy about?

Why does "5 days" seem to tickle your fancy>

Serious question.

thx.


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-02-20 10:09 PM | Reply

Serious question.
thx.

#5 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2021-02-20 10:09 PM

How do we go from the deadliest covid month ever to infection rates at an all time low? One of those things are incorrect, they can't have it both ways.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-02-21 08:23 AM | Reply

How do we go from the deadliest covid month ever to infection rates at an all time low? One of those things are incorrect, they can't have it both ways.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger

- January followed the holiday season when millions of careless people traveled and got together, ignoring COVID safety measures.

- January has been cold and there have been storms that affected half the country, so people stayed inside, reducing opportunities for COVID to spread.

#7 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-02-21 08:32 AM | Reply

"How do we go from the deadliest covid month ever to infection rates at an all time low? One of those things are incorrect, they can't have it both ways.
#6 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER"

Maybe it's a combination of fake news and tamping down info to help prevent panic.
Kind of like what Cuomo tried.

#8 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-02-21 08:42 AM | Reply

Maybe it's a combination of fake news and tamping down info to help prevent panic.
Kind of like what Cuomo tried.

#8 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

No one in NY, including Cuomo, lied about the number of COVID cases or deaths.

At issue is how many died in nursing homes.

Your AOC sex obsession has already affected your eyesight :-) Or you're listening to FoxNews lies.

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-02-21 08:52 AM | Reply

never! *kaff kaff

#10 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-02-21 09:00 AM | Reply

"At issue is how many died in nursing homes."

It's not how many died in nursing homes. That number is accurate. The number who died in hospitals is also accurate but doesn't indicate where the patients originally came from (private homes, nursing homes, assisted living centers, etc.). So, one issue is how many covid patients came from nursing homes and died in hospitals. The other issue is how many died who got infected in nursing homes between the end of March and the beginning of May from covid patients who were sent from hospitals back to nursing homes and infected other residents because the nursing homes were not equipped to take them and didn't have the proper protocols in place.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-02-21 10:25 AM | Reply

What we're seeing now is less severity of sickness and needing to be hospitalized.

It's being suggested the number of people who have had it and never knew is going unreported.

It makes sense that number of new cases might decline due to people not being tested because their symptoms are not severe.

The severity of the illness will be the defining factor, not number of new cases.

#12 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-02-21 11:48 AM | Reply

Gal,

Do you think criminal charges should be brought up against Cuomo for his part in the nursing home deaths?

It's be suggested Cuomo refused to use the USNS Comfort and field hospitals because they were provided by Trump.

What do you think?

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-02-21 11:57 AM | Reply

I think that's bunk as I explained in a recent nooner.

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-02-21 02:43 PM | Reply

Originally the Comfort and the Javits center were set up to take the slack off of NYC hospital but did not accept covid patients. It turned out that there wasn't much need for non-covid beds:

A tangle of military protocols and bureaucratic hurdles has prevented the Comfort from accepting many patients at all. On top of its strict rules preventing people infected with the virus from coming on board, the Navy is also refusing to treat a host of other conditions. Guidelines disseminated to hospitals included a list of 49 medical conditions that would exclude a patient from admittance to the ship. Ambulances cannot take patients directly to the Comfort; they must first deliver patients to a city hospital for a lengthy evaluation " including a test for the virus " and then pick them up again for transport to the ship.

On top of its strict rules preventing people infected with the virus from coming on board, the Navy is also refusing to treat a host of other conditions. Guidelines disseminated to hospitals included a list of 49 medical conditions that would exclude a patient from admittance to the ship.

Ambulances cannot take patients directly to the Comfort; they must first deliver patients to a city hospital for a lengthy evaluation " including a test for the virus " and then pick them up again for transport to the ship.

At the same time, there is not a high volume of noncoronavirus patients. Because most New Yorkers have isolated themselves in their homes, there are fewer injuries from car accidents, gun shots and construction accidents that would require an emergency room visit.


www.nytimes.com

But much to the frustration of healthcare workers, since that announcement, Javits has taken in nowhere near its capacity. As of April 7, the convention center had admitted only 66 patients. This was due in large part to the strict admission requirements. At first, a patient could only be transferred to Javits if they were convalescing, or in the recovery period. The fear was that Javits didn't have the ICU beds, operating rooms, or equipment necessary to handle patients who might relapse or need surgery because of an underlying condition. One nurse in an East Harlem hospital anonymously told the New York Post that there was a 25-point checklist to transfer a patient into Javits. Out of 95 patients they requested for transfer, only one met the standards. Brandt: The convention center wasn't originally set up to treat COVID patients, mainly because they just didn't have enough ICU beds or ventilators. So when they did start to get the proper equipment, it made sense that they were strict and slow about who they would let in. The only problem with this was the city hospitals just didn't have the space or time to wait. Narrator: Javits later relaxed requirements for admission and began accepting COVID-19 patients of all levels. But this hasn't completely solved the problem. Javits has yet to admit more than 500 patients. Meanwhile, city hospitals are contending with more than 20,000 patients. Javits has been slow to receive equipment from the US stockpile and can't accept a patient who's intubated. Even transferring patients to the convention center has been a logistical nightmare. Guidelines required Javits officials to pick up patients they'd hand-selected for transfer and bring them to the convention center. But this slowed down the process considerably.

www.businessinsider.com

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-02-21 03:27 PM | Reply

Eventually both sites started accepting covid patients under guidelines that the military who ran the sites set up. If anyone wants to understand why these two military hospitals didn't do more to help covid patients in NY, this is a good read:

The military's medical relief valves' remain mostly empty in New York. This is why.

The tale of these two temporary hospitals is one of disconnect between public expectations and political declarations, and what's possible to achieve--logistically and medically--under the circumstances. Covid-19 patients can deteriorate rapidly and suddenly, even when they seem to be on the mend, and often require oxygen for days or weeks. With an increase in the severity of cases treated comes the need for more equipment and staffing. And at the moment, it remains to be seen whether either the Javits Center or the Comfort can adequately care for very many of the most seriously ill covid-19 patients, as state and federal officials have indicated is their new mission.

Walsh, the Navy spokeswoman, said Javits and the Comfort plan to continually "reassess our patient admission criteria to see how we can take on more patients."

Late in the week, the military patient assessment team sent out an email relaxing the restrictions for sicker covid patients to enter the Javits Center, yet again. What the medical teams were learning was that trying to screen for the most stable patients with this disease was pretty much like playing roulette. "It's Las Vegas. You just hope you get it right," said Gonzalez.

Even under the earlier guidelines, Gonzalez said, several covid patients at the Javits Center had crashed and were being treated in the convention hall's makeshift ICU. The restrictions on patient numbers, he added, are intended to protect them. "I could fill this place over the weekend," he said, "but if you ramp up to 1,000 and you don't do it right, you're going to have a lot of casualties. ... There is no blueprint for this."


www.washingtonpost.com

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-02-21 03:43 PM | Reply

Gal,

What about the rest of the accusations regarding Cuomo and nursing homes?

Is Cuomo directly responsible for killing people in nursing homes?

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-02-21 04:14 PM | Reply

Gal,

Yes or No?

No links....

What do you think?

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-02-21 04:15 PM | Reply

Also, fwiw, Cuomo was public in his praise of Trump for providing these two sites:

Late Thursday, Governor Andrew M. Cuomo of New York reached an agreement with Mr. Trump to bring Covid patients to the Javits Convention Center in Manhattan, another alternative site operated by the military, with 2,500 hospital beds.

"I asked President Trump this morning to consider the request and the urgency of the matter, and the President has just informed me that he granted New York's request," Mr. Cuomo said in a statement.
www.nytimes.com

"He Has Delivered for New York": Cuomo Praises Trump's Coronavirus Response

He cited, as he has before, the sending of the Navy ship USNS Comfort and the construction of a military field hospital at the Javits Center as examples of the president responding quickly to the state's needs.
www.nbcnewyork.com

Cuomo has always maintained he was following CDC guidelines in March 2020 regarding nursing homes. If that is the case, I don't see how he could be held criminally liable for nursing home deaths in the spring.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-02-21 04:17 PM | Reply

Links are necessary, Bill, because the suggestion is that Cuomo was the one in charge of who got sent to the military hospitals, but I don't think that was the case based on the reporting at the time.

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-02-21 04:23 PM | Reply

Gal,

Personally, I think Cuomo probably did what he thought was the best course of action at the time working with limited information in an intense environment.

However, just like Trump, Cuomo will be found guilty by the court of public opinion.

You sow what you reap.

No grace was given to Trump.

No grace will be extended to Cuomo.

#21 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-02-21 04:27 PM | Reply

Its human nature to find someone to blame, from wild fires to snow storms to falling down the stairs.
As in "if the dog hadn't stop to ----, he'da caught the rabbit."
Its especially effective to spin the blame *after said event is over.

#22 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-02-21 04:34 PM | Reply

As I've mentioned my friend's mom got covid in a NY assistant living center at the beginning of April and died by the 3rd week of the month. The staff at the center were shocked that she had gotten sick as she had been in isolation--from visitors and other residents--for weeks before that, first due to the flu, then due to covid. What wasn't known then was that staff members who were asymptomatic could give the virus to the residents they interreacted with. As she had dementia, she needed help with many daily activities like taking her meds, changing her clothes, getting washed up. I guess some might blame the staff for killing her, but I know they did the best they could and were sad that she passed away.

As for Cuomo, the NY AG, who I voted for, is investigating. If he did something criminally wrong, she will uncover it.

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-02-21 04:46 PM | Reply

"Personally, I think Cuomo probably did what he thought was the best course of action at the time working with limited information in an intense environment."

And this is the important difference between Cuomo and Trump.
Cuomo acted on the best in formation he had.

Trump didn't act on the best information he had. He ignored the experts, while lying with promises that it was under control and it would soon to go zero.
Trump he took no responsibility at all. Instead he said it was fifty governor's jobs to act.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-21 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

About one year ago the experts were telling Trump what *could happen.
As most of the normal intelligent people have learned, no one really knew much at all about this disease.
So now a year later its easy to set back and say I told ya so.

#25 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-02-21 05:05 PM | Reply

"About one year ago the experts were telling Trump what *could happen."

No, you moron.
In late 2019 experts were telling Trump what would happen.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-21 05:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Its especially effective to spin the blame *after said event is over."

This is so true. It was such a horrible, frightening, confusing time. They tried to send my friend's mom to a nursing home the first week she was in the hospital because the assisted living center wouldn't take her back and because the doctor said she was the healthiest covid patient he had. One nursing home was found that would take her, but my friend and his siblings wanted to research the nursing home before they agreed. By the next day, that nursing home bed was gone and no others were available. A few days later she was now getting sicker, so the idea to send her to a nursing home was abandoned. No one in the family could go visit her, and she was a special challenge for the hospital staff due to her dementia. She didn't understand where she was or why she was there. She was frightened by all the strangers wearing masks and kept taking off her oxygen mask. A nurse tried to get her to do a video chat with some of her family members, but that also confused her and made her more upset--as it did the family members who now had that disturbing chat as their last memory of her.

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-02-21 05:08 PM | Reply

"So now a year later its easy to set back and say I told ya so."

A year later?
It was easy to tell you what was going to happen in March!

You're as prideful as you are stupid.
You're proud of your own ignorance. You're proud of the lack of education you've accomplished in your time on this earth.
You'll go to your grave still refusing to believe that the experts are right and you're wrong.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-21 05:10 PM | Reply

I'm with Snoofy, Trump knew more that anyone else, and yet he deliberately lied about what he knew and what we all should have been told.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-02-21 05:10 PM | Reply

"As most of the normal intelligent people have learned, no one really knew much at all about this disease."

Quit making excuses for failure.
We knew enough about what was happening China and then Europe was going to happen here unless we took drastic measures.
Your ignorance and refusal to hold leaders accountable for their failures is a testament to your own failure in life.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-21 05:12 PM | Reply

All because Trump thought he knew more than the experts and because he wanted to protect the economy and his own re-election. If it turns out Cuomo did something so egregious, then, yes, he should and will be held accountable.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-02-21 05:13 PM | Reply

If only Cuomo had been a policeman, his qualified immunity would protect him from anything he did, as long as it was part of his training or in his best judgment.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-21 05:14 PM | Reply

Gal I can't imagine what her final days were like.
My DIL in NYC had her gramma pass alone as well. Their family will never forget her crying out for company.

#33 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-02-21 05:15 PM | Reply

"testament to your own failure in life.
#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

You have no clue what success or failure really is. Your yardstick is made of soft putty.

#34 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-02-21 05:52 PM | Reply

"You have no clue what success or failure really is."

You don't eve have the stones to call (checks today's number) 511,026 dead Americans a failukre.

You're a useless piece of s---.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-21 06:51 PM | Reply

Your yardstick is made of soft putty.
#34 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

They have pills for that.
But you can't take them, because your broken-down old heart isn't healthy enough for sex.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-21 06:53 PM | Reply

Gal I can't imagine what her final days were like.
My DIL in NYC had her gramma pass alone as well. Their family will never forget her crying out for company.
#33 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

I can't imagine how you don't think Trump is in any way responsible for that.
You remind me of the grandma you described. Still hoping Trump will come to save you.

I don't know how to get you to see it.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-21 07:02 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"Your ignorance and refusal to hold leaders accountable for their failures is a testament to your own failure in life."

So what is your opinion on Cuomo?

Did he contribute to the nursing home death count?

Yes or no?

#38 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-02-21 07:57 PM | Reply

" How Will We Know We've Reached Herd Immunity?

Health officials around the world are racing to vaccinate enough people to stop the spread of COVID-19, but what qualifies as "enough" is still an open question."

don't these virii morph year to year?
isn't that why flu vaccines change and are offered annually?

#39 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-02-21 08:09 PM | Reply

#38 contribute to actual deaths to death counting?

#40 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-02-21 08:16 PM | Reply

oops: ...OR to death counting.

#41 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-02-21 08:17 PM | Reply

So what is your opinion on Cuomo?
Did he contribute to the nursing home death count?
Yes or no?
#38 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

That's a fair question.
My answer depends on what Cuomo did. Did he defer to the experts or cut his own path?

Just to avoid any cop-out, if the "experts" were his cronies they don't count.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-21 09:10 PM | Reply

I have to ask because 87% of complaints about failures in leadership are from trolls whatabouting their own leaders failure.

I also have to ask because living in Southern California, New York news is just not in the wind here.

I knew Trump from the Central Park Five days, because I lived in the NYC suburbs at the time. Trump's legendary douchebagginess apparently wasn't national news. Same with Cuomo.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-21 09:15 PM | Reply

60Minutes Brazil: herd immunity in the age of sars-covid 2 (v1 was the easy part) is a myth.
"the path of herd immunity' is a path of mass death and economic collapse." - Devi Sridhar, Professor of Global Public Health, The University of Edinburgh

#44 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-02-21 10:33 PM | Reply

#44 not CBS60Minutes.
On Assignment With Richard Engle - Covid Mutants', 2/21/21.

#45 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-02-21 10:42 PM | Reply

Gal I can't imagine what her final days were like.
My DIL in NYC had her gramma pass alone as well. Their family will never forget her crying out for company.
#33 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

I'm sorry, Mr. O'Boyle. No, they won't forget, especially if they weren't able to attain some level of closure by having a normal funeral as so many other families like my friend's family weren't able to do.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-02-22 06:21 AM | Reply

Trump's legendary douchebagginess apparently wasn't national news.

#43 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-02-21 09:15 PM | FLAG:

Until he started winning the Republican primary, he was just the guy who yells YOUR FIRED! to most of the nation, cameo'd in movies, and was referenced in music as a benchmark for wealth and success, with a really corny, 80s gold plated, cocaine fueled aeshetic.

#47 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-02-22 08:51 AM | Reply

#25

--------!

I'm tired of liars and the ignorant telling the intelligent that there was no way of knowing.

Please don't bring back the "Nobody could have known" ------ again, just like WMDs and the Iraq war.

Sit down, shut up and let the people who know what the hell they are doing run things and you might be surprised that things actually run.

This was as preventable as the Ebola outbreaks in Africa. If Hillary would have been president, she would have been voted out of office for failing to control a pandemic that killed 8,000 people and infected 500k or so.

It would have been a national outrage. We both know it.

#48 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-02-22 11:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Did he contribute to the nursing home death count?

Yes or no?

#38 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

No. He did not "contribute". His problem in this particular case was transparency because of Trumptilian politics. Now ask yourself, Who made the pandemic and public health and safety political?

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-02-22 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#49

Your repost is exactly why I have BJ plonked. Him and Sitz, they are bad faith posters who know how ridiculous they sound, this is the only form of entertainment left in their pathetic Soviet existences.

#50 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-02-22 11:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Looks like DR is ignoring the most important point here. It wasn't but a few months ago when Trump was in office that Libs were VEHEMENTLY denying that herd immunity is even real. I recall some posters saying there is no such thing as herd immunity.

"I'm tired of liars and the ignorant telling the intelligent that there was no way of knowing."

Did someone seriously just compare Ebola to COVID and then actually say other people are ignorant? Has the bar really been set that low? Has misinformation spread that badly?

#51 | Posted by humtake at 2021-02-22 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

this is the only form of entertainment left in their pathetic Soviet existences.

#50 | POSTED BY BOCAINK

Yup. Another Q-tard. Obviously. You know that they just want us to be like them. Stupid.

And you are correct. You can't fix stupid. But you can have some socially distanced fun with them!

I just look for the funny. It's always in there somewhere. These guys are hilariously funny.

Well.

They used to be.

So it has been a bit more difficult to find what's funny about them and to be tolerant at all of their BS ever since Jan 6th, 2021.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-02-22 12:08 PM | Reply

wasn't but a few months ago when Trump was in office that Libs were VEHEMENTLY denying that herd immunity is even real.

No it wasn't. Liar. Making up crap and then arguing about it again?

Quit arguing with the demons in your head. I suggest you quit listening to them.

It's embarrassing. Or I imagine it would be if you had any shame.

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-02-22 12:21 PM | Reply

Making up crap and then arguing about it again?

Well it's kind of his thing. Only a couple more threads to pollute and he'll go away until same time tomorrow.

#54 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-02-22 12:26 PM | Reply

What's weird is HOW humtake "remembers" what happened... just a few months ago...

Because I remember things differently.

As I recall reasonable folks were concerned that trying to achieve "herd immunity" by allowing the infection to spread uncontrolled was going to kill way too many people. Not that herd immunity didn't exist or wasn't real.

So one wonders how you got it so backwards.

Also, as I recall, Trumpy called it "herd mentality" in a Freudian slip.

And also as I recall, we agreed that herd mentality also existed and was real...

in the GOP.

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-02-22 12:29 PM | Reply

...trying to achieve "herd immunity" by allowing the infection to spread uncontrolled...

Ah yes, the "let it wash over us" plan.

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-02-22 12:35 PM | Reply

What's weird is HOW humtake "remembers" what happened... just a few months ago...

Because I remember things differently.

As I recall reasonable folks were concerned that trying to achieve "herd immunity" by allowing the infection to spread uncontrolled was going to kill way too many people. Not that herd immunity didn't exist or wasn't real.

So one wonders how you got it so backwards.

Also, as I recall, Trumpy called it "herd mentality" in a Freudian slip.

And also as I recall, we agreed that herd mentality also existed and was real...

in the GOP.

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-02-22 12:29 PM | Reply

To be fair, several folks noted that trying to gain herd immunity through "allowing it to wash over us" was doomed to fail, as "natural" herd immunity rarely works out in pandemics (if it ever has). That's too much nuance for the likes of Humtake, though.

For proof that strategy wasn't going to work, see the Brazilian variant of CoViD possibly re-infecting those who had CoViD earlier.

The only way to reasonably achieve herd immunity is through vaccination. Fewer deaths, and can happen fast enough to out-pace mutations that avoid the acquired immunity.

#57 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2021-02-22 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Deaths lag cases by about 5 weeks. January was the deadliest month because people died, which is not the same thing as being diagnosed with a new case. bit.ly

#58 | Posted by FasterDisaster at 2021-02-22 08:53 PM | Reply

don't these virii morph year to year?
isn't that why flu vaccines change and are offered annually?

#39 | POSTED BY ICHIRO

Different viruses with completely different biology.

Coronaviruses are much more stable than influenza viruses. The changes we're seeing now are because there is significant evolutionary pressure as it adapts to a new host.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2021-02-23 08:48 AM | Reply

Did he contribute to the nursing home death count?
Yes or no?

#38 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

The best anybody can say is maybe.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2021-02-23 08:49 AM | Reply

To be fair, several folks noted that trying to gain herd immunity through "allowing it to wash over us" was doomed to fail, as "natural" herd immunity rarely works out in pandemics (if it ever has).

When has humtake (or any deplorable for that matter) ever been "fair"? They have been happily using a scorched earth policy while in power and now we are supposed to "play fair" with them? I am not sure I am am ready for that while Trumpy and Trumpism still stalks the land. And not until everyone involved it n the insurrection has been held accountable for their actions.

The only way to reasonably achieve herd immunity is through vaccination. Fewer deaths, and can happen fast enough to out-pace mutations that avoid the acquired immunity.

#57 | POSTED BY STATSPLEASE
Which is of course exactly what them liberals (that humtake obviously hates) were saying.

Regardless that is completely different and practically the opposite of "vehemently denying it was real".

No one ever said that herd immunity was not possible. Or not real. Especially once the vaccine becomes available.

Well, except maybe those dang ebil demons living in humtakes head. They are saying all kinds of mean ugly hateful things. Apparently.

#61 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-02-23 01:39 PM | Reply

Face-Mask Skepticism Fades in Sweden as Infection Rates Rise
www.msn.com

Authorities in Stockholm and a number of other regions across Sweden are abandoning their earlier skepticism and advising people to rely more on face masks, as the country braces for a third wave of coronavirus infections.

The development marks a reversal of Sweden's previous doubts regarding face coverings, and coincides with an increase in transmission rates. On Tuesday, Stockholm authorities recommended the use of masks on public transport, not just in rush hour but at all times. They also want coverings to be used in shops and in offices.

#62 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-02-23 01:44 PM | Reply

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