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Lincoln's presence on Mount Rushmore is sufficient indictment of his "demon" status.
Of course, you'd have to know why Mount Rushmore was built to understand that:
It was built to remind the Indians who ethnically cleansed them off our land.
Mount Rushmore is a monument to genocide and White Supremacy, much in the same way that Civil War monuments are really monuments to racial segregation and White Supremacy.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-22 11:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

en.wikipedia.org

They all said Lincoln was going to end slavery.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-23 12:33 AM | Reply

Lincoln did end slavery. He also ethnically cleansed the Dakotas. You take the good with the bad.... except it's all bad if you're a conservative.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-23 12:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How did he ethnically cleanse the Dakotas, snoofy? By freeing as many captured Indians as he could legally? I remember antifa hated him for that. "326" or something like that was what they where chanting, somewhere along with "No USA at All!" and "No Pedo Hate!"

#4 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-02-23 12:46 AM | Reply

Ethnically cleansed?

You mean he inherited a ongoing war from his predecessors and against the background of a ongoing Civil War that killed hundreds of thousands it's not a surprise that his heart was hardened by the times.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-23 12:59 AM | Reply

"it's not a surprise that his heart was hardened by the times."

So... You're saying it's not a surprise that he did a little ethnic cleansing!

Well it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who knows a little bit about history.

Ethnic cleansing was just another tool in the shed until say 1945. If Israel had been founded in 1848 instead of 1948, there would be no Palestinian problem. Just memories of a Palestinian people that no longer exist.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-23 02:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How many of the condemned did he pardon?

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-23 02:18 AM | Reply

How many of the condemned did he sign their death warrants?

Are you trying to argue the point that the US did not settle the Western frontier, as was our Manifest Destiny?

Have fun with that!

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-23 02:41 AM | Reply

Well if you don't want to put down the number I suppose you have a good reason for that.

#9 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-23 02:43 AM | Reply

Tor, if you the history he is talking about a thousand or so Indian raiders that where raping and butchering their way across the other tribes and the settlements. They where sentenced to hang. Lincoln managed to get about a third of them released for lack of evidence. Thant's why the woke hate him. It's not that find. Maybe "Lincoln pardons Indians Dakota"?

#10 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-02-23 05:03 PM | Reply

I see simplistic views of a complex and nuanced time when people thought differently (many still do I guess...)

Lincoln was politically limited in what he could do - his commuting of sentences and pardoning was very unpopular in the union. He wasn't a hater of Native Americans. Maybe it is apologetic but honestly between the actual Civil War and his assassination he couldn't really do much. The civil war wasn't even over when he was Assassinated and started a mere month after he entered office. Call me crazy but that just may have been a much much larger concern.

It's simplistic to say he didn't order the execution of Confederate Generals and officers as well. He didn't actually order the execution of the Dakota. They had what I am sure was mostly a monkey court since he pardoned so many. Maybe they should even be considered victims of the civil war that was going on because there was definitely not all the food and supplies there would have been if times were good. Crops were destroyed and farmers were carrying guns. It would seem there was little he could due to provide them with the promised supplies. Imagine being ordered to provide supplies to people you seen as the enemy and you knew there were shortages - the supplies would have never made it to them.

It is possible he may have even ordered Confederate Executions but the war was not over. He may not have...

There is a comparison to be made as well - we are talking about a war between the whole European and African population of the United states which even then dwarfed the Native Americans. You have options like diverting supplies from your army and the people in need in the Union and risking desertions and even losing the war. Nothing is simplistic about this time. Nuance is indeed the word here. Sometimes you have to make very difficult choices.

#11 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-02-23 06:34 PM | Reply

#10 | Posted by HeliumRat

It wasn't even close to a thousand. A couple hundred or so but all paid the price.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-02-23 06:36 PM | Reply

"He wasn't a hater of Native Americans."

Who cares?
He's rightfully judged by his actions, not his feelings.
We all are.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-23 06:39 PM | Reply

"He didn't actually order the execution of the Dakota."

Feels like a distinction without a difference, considering he signed the death warrants.

I'm not saying he should or should not have done it. I'm just saying what he did was ethnic cleansing, and that's why he's on the monument we hae to ethnic cleansing of the Dakota called Mount Rushmore.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-23 06:45 PM | Reply

It's funny how some of the same people who advocate ethnic cleansing are bitching about it in this thread.

#15 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-02-24 11:51 AM | Reply

Lincoln pardoned everybody who didn't willingly confress. They where proud of their actions. Raiding was part of their culture. Part of being a man. You can't take rape and murder away from people like that. He couldn't pardon them all.

But haters gotta hate. So the woke gotta hate Lincoln. I mean, he was white....

But then ethnic cleansing is the only way to "end whiteness" or whatever they call it in the name of racial justice. My God that's so brainwashed.

#16 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-02-24 12:52 PM | Reply

But then ethnic cleansing is the only way to "end whiteness" or whatever they call it in the name of racial justice. My God that's so brainwashed.
#16 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

Until you point out who "they" are, you're doing nothing but propping up a strawman.

#17 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-02-24 01:26 PM | Reply

"be less white"

wtf thought that was a good goal?

and the list of ways to be "less white" is even more insulting.

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-24 04:24 PM | Reply

How's it compared to Boaz's advice to black people to be less black?

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-24 04:31 PM | Reply

I have no idea snoofy I blocked him years ago.

.....did any of his advise involve fried chicken?

I may puke if it did.

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-24 04:37 PM | Reply

Gutzman Borglum and Lincoln Borglum oversaw the carvings between 1927 and 1941, they originally thought of carving Sacagawea,Red Cloud,Lewis and Clark and Crazy Horse, but Borglum wanted a less local and more national focus because the carvings were meant as a tourist attraction to bring visitors and money to South Dakota.

Borglum was a white supremacist. He did however reject the first proposed site at The Needles because of strong Lakota Souix opposition to that site,also the granite there was brittle and of poor quality.

Snoofy is overstating the racism here a bit. The Lakota Souix were in the loop about the site chosen and approved the new location.

Borglum was prominent in the KKK, he was racist.

#21 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-02-24 11:19 PM | Reply

"the carvings were meant as a tourist attraction to bring visitors and money to South Dakota."

I'd love to know how that worked out.

I stopped at Mount Rushmore on one of my cross-country road trips. It was cold and windy but at least they lit the place up at night.

But as attractions go, there's pretty much nothing to see. Just watch North by Northwest if you want to see Mount Rushmore.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-02-24 11:48 PM | Reply

More than two million people visit Mt.Rushmore every year. It's the most visited tourist site in the state. So I'd say it worked out pretty well, wouldn't you? Not everything is racism even with racists.

Perhaps they should have chosen Indian and western themes but the decision was more about national appeal than racism. Borglum himself was a total white supremacist. No question,and I'm sure that did influence his decision to carve presidents instead of native Americans. But ultimately the decision was about what would bring in more cash for South Dakota.

Thanks Capitalism.

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-02-25 12:09 AM | Reply

It's the most visited tourist site in the state.

LOL. In South Dakota?! Deadwood and Spearfish Canyon are awesome but I've never bothered with Rushmore. Rushmore gets twice as many people in a year than Sturgis gets in a week.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-02-25 12:23 AM | Reply

Isn't there a carving of Crazy Horse not too far away from Mount Rushmore?

#25 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-25 12:23 AM | Reply

Isn't there a carving of Crazy Horse not too far away from Mount Rushmore?

It's unfinished and a fair way south.

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-02-25 12:25 AM | Reply

My bad... only 35 miles.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-02-25 12:28 AM | Reply

Sturgis only gets visited one week a year,by --------. Mt. Rushmore is a family destination.

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-02-25 12:59 AM | Reply

"It's unfinished"

So is Rushmore.

#29 | Posted by Tor at 2021-02-25 01:24 AM | Reply

Art is never finished, it's simply abandoned.

#30 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-02-25 04:11 AM | Reply

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