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Wednesday, March 03, 2021

As officials and health experts race to get Americans vaccinated against Covid-19, some Catholic bishops have weighed in to discourage Church members from getting the latest, single-shot vaccine from Johnson & Johnson when alternatives are available.

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Fuggin' lunatics.

#1 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-03-03 05:38 PM | Reply

Tor, can we criticize this or not?

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-03-03 05:39 PM | Reply

Fuggin' lunatics.

#1 | Posted by Angrydad

They're 'pro-life,' dontcha know?

Of course, this stance will cost many thousands of lives. But they don't count because they've had the audacity to be born.

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-03-03 05:41 PM | Reply

I know you're being a sarcastic and snarky little cry baby but go ahead and criticize any practice of religion that flies directly in the face of critical medical science.

Ftr do note they said that if others are available to use them which means if they are not go ahead with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2021-03-03 07:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If only they were as concerned with priests abusing little boys for centuries.

#5 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-03-04 06:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dominic go frisk um.

#6 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-03-04 07:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages."

Richard Lederer

#7 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2021-03-04 10:00 AM | Reply

Tor, can we criticize this or not?

#2 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-03-03 05:39 PM | FLAG:

Snoofy to the defense of the faceless corporation that just failed to overturn it's $2.12 billion dollar payout for giving people ovarian cancer, because Catholics!

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-03-04 10:46 AM | Reply

You feel pretty desperate for a gotcha lately.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-03-04 10:59 AM | Reply

"As the accomplishments of the era came to be better understood in the 19th and 20th centuries, scholars began restricting the "Dark Ages" appellation to the Early Middle Ages (c. 5th"10th century),[3][7][8] and now scholars also reject its usage in this period.[9] The majority of modern scholars avoid the term altogether owing to its negative connotations, finding it misleading and inaccurate."

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2021-03-04 11:11 AM | Reply

#10 Historians don't say Dark Ages, just like historians don't say B.C. and A.D.
But everyone knows what it means.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-03-04 12:16 PM | Reply

I know you're being a sarcastic and snarky little cry baby but go ahead and criticize any practice of religion that flies directly in the face of critical medical science.
Ftr do note they said that if others are available to use them which means if they are not go ahead with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
#4 | POSTED BY TOR

Okay, so medicine is not a Sacred Cow.
How about gay rights?
Can I criticize religion when it wants to deny equal status for homosexuals (to put it mildly)?

How about this:
What must I NEVER criticize about religion?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-03-04 12:21 PM | Reply

The Dark Ages were called that by historians not because people were stupid but because they didn't have a lot of information on that time period.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2021-03-04 01:10 PM | Reply

That's correct. The Church kinda set Europe back a millennium, by not allowing anyone else to learn to read and write.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-03-04 01:17 PM | Reply

#4 | Posted by Tor

The same religion that opposes birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies that would mean less abortions ...

The Catholic Church talks out both sides of their mouth.

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-03-04 01:33 PM | Reply

Snoopy you need to try talking to a historian who specializes in that era.

FTR I think the Catholic church is wrong about birth control.

#16 | Posted by Tor at 2021-03-04 01:38 PM | Reply

The Dark Ages were called that by historians not because people were stupid but because they didn't have a lot of information on that time period.

#13 | POSTED BY TOR

That couldn't possibly have anything to do with forced illiteracy by the Church and their iron fisted control of information, could it?

Naaaaah.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2021-03-04 02:32 PM | Reply

"forced illiteracy by the Church"?

Really?

What year did this happen?

In what country did this happen?

Was it nationwide?

Did it happen in all European countries?

When did it end?

Did it really not happen at all?

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2021-03-04 02:51 PM | Reply

Did it happen in all European countries?
When did it end?
Did it really not happen at all?

#18 | POSTED BY TOR

The only real book being printed (read hand written) at the time was the Bible and it was only allowed to be written in Latin.

The common folk weren't allowed to learn how to speak or write Latin.

That's why one of the biggest changes in the reformation was the reprinting of the Bible in native tongues so it wasn't controlled by the Church.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2021-03-04 03:35 PM | Reply

Oh so they weren't forcing illiteracy they were just keeping people from owning any of the few Bibles that existed.

It seems like a jerk move but having seen so many evangelicals twist scripture to the point of idolatry I'm left wondering if some people simply cannot handle developing their own theology.

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2021-03-04 03:43 PM | Reply

"It seems like a jerk move but having seen so many evangelicals twist scripture to the point of idolatry"

Christians, before the Reformation, did that too, Tor.

You've heard of Indulgences, yes?

Maybe you even remember this catchy little rhyme:

John Tetzel would ride into a German village, set up a theatrical stage, and dramatically convince people to give of their money to purchase relatives our of purgatory or in some cases, pre-pay for their own sins. He had a quaint little saying; "As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs!"
rwbooth.com

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-03-04 03:50 PM | Reply

Indulgences are one of the reasons I was glad when I learned about the Protestant Reformation.

Have you seen the golden statue of trump?

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2021-03-04 03:57 PM | Reply

Imagine seeing a golden statue of Trump and thinking, "That's my guy!"

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-03-04 04:05 PM | Reply

A real life mooby cow situation.

#24 | Posted by Tor at 2021-03-04 04:34 PM | Reply

LOL great reference Tor.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2021-03-05 09:44 AM | Reply

"forced illiteracy by the Church"?

Really?

What year did this happen?

Ruling of the Council of Tarragona, 1234 CE: "No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned..."

Decree of the Council of Toulouse, 1229 CE: "We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books."

The Council of Trent (1545-1564 CE) placed the Bible on its list of prohibited books (!!!), and forbade any person to read the Bible without a license from a Roman Catholic bishop or inquisitor. "That if any one shall dare to read or keep in his possession that book, without such a license, he shall not receive absolution till he has given it up to his ordinary."

In what country did this happen?

In any country controlled by the Church.

Was it nationwide?

It was wherever the Church was

Did it happen in all European countries?

Wherever the Church was in control.

When did it end?

For the next 1200 years, Christian clergy pursued a policy of establishing a soft monopoly on Bible reading and a hard monopoly on its interpretation. After all, a simple mind could misunderstand the word of God, right? A key element of this policy was that Bible translations were forbidden - this created a natural boundary that kept lay readers out of the word of God.

The Catholic Church continued to frown on lay Bible readers for some centuries to come. The Reformation movement disagreed, taking particular issue with this. For many groups of reformists, Sola Scriptura (scripture only) was a cornerstone piece of doctrine, and thus all the faithful were required to read the Bible. But that only happened in the 16th century.

Did it really not happen at all?

Yes.

The whole education system was designed to keep serfs and peasants uneducated; indeed, education during that time was very elitist. Study books were very rare and they were highly expensive and hence, the only way to get education was to seek a teacher.

Officially, you needed a "trained" mind to properly interpret the Word of God.

Less officially, it gave the clergy an aura of secret knowledge and authority. I know the word of god, and you do not - that is a powerful claim. The Church of Scientology currently does the same thing - restricting access to its "secrets", only uncovering them as you progress through the ranks.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-03-05 11:02 AM | Reply

Forbidding people from owning the Bible isn't the same as forced illiteracy.

#27 | Posted by Tor at 2021-03-05 11:14 AM | Reply

Forbidding people from owning the Bible isn't the same as forced illiteracy.

#27 | POSTED BY TOR

C'mon Tor.

The primary book being produced and distributed was the Bible, which was written in a language people weren't allowed to learn or use. Also, that book and language was the center of learning and education because the Church reserved that privilege for themselves as well.

Why are you denying basic history?

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2021-03-05 12:36 PM | Reply

With what money were peasants supposed to buy a Bible?

If anything the rule would have been applied to rich people who would have happily claimed the Bible contained anything they wanted it to.

#29 | Posted by Tor at 2021-03-05 03:31 PM | Reply

I haven't heard about this other than here.

I doubt this will go far.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2021-03-05 04:04 PM | Reply

I would suggest they get one of the other two vaccines IF AVAILABLE as well, because they are 95% effective and the J&J one is only 72% effective.

#31 | Posted by ABH at 2021-03-05 06:20 PM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY TOR

So you're justifying the Church's enforced illiteracy because people were too poor to buy Bibles?

Seriously.

Dude, just admit the Church did it. Acknowledge it and move on.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2021-03-05 11:31 PM | Reply

because they are 95% effective and the J&J one is only 72% effective.

#31 | POSTED BY ABH

The 72% figure is in reducing moderate or severe symptoms.

More importantly, the efficacy of preventing hospitalization and or death was much much higher.

It's a perfectly good vaccine that should be taken if offered.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2021-03-05 11:35 PM | Reply

Forbidding people from owning the Bible isn't the same as forced illiteracy.

#27 | POSTED BY TOR

Not in and of itself. But it shows the Church was actively suppressing education among the "peasants" much as a slave holder keep his slaves ignorant so they would not attempt to escape their -------.

This is the same reason that Trumpy likes his supporters to remain ignorant.

Also the fact that other countries such as China did NOT experience a dark age like Europe does not speak well for areas controlled by the Power and Institutions of the Church after the fall of the Roman Empire.

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-03-06 11:11 AM | Reply

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