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Monday, March 15, 2021

The Vatican said Monday that the Catholic Church would not bless same-sex unions, in a combative statement approved by Pope Francis that threatens to widen the chasm between the church and much of the LGBTQ community.

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In related news, Milo claims he's "ex-gay" now.

#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-03-15 02:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Vasectomy is not a choice then.

#2 | Posted by Scotty at 2021-03-15 02:11 PM | Reply

But sex with children is still alright for priests!

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-03-15 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Consistency has value. The Pope is being consistent. The ------ want total acceptance and that's not going to happen quickly,or possibly at all. They just need to accept that they aren't totally condoned and blessed by the Church. Some progress is better than none.

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-03-15 02:20 PM | Reply

"But sex with children is still alright for priests!"

I bet you a trillion dollars that most priests do not have sex with children, nor do they think it's alright.

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-03-15 02:24 PM | Reply

Who then? The hand of God?

#6 | Posted by LesWit at 2021-03-15 02:33 PM | Reply

how can pedophiles bless anything?

#7 | Posted by klifferd at 2021-03-15 02:36 PM | Reply

Pretty sure most LGBTs don't care what the decreed says.

Marriage has transcended religion.

It's a Union and commitment of love between two people.

No amount of hate or intolerance will change it.

Also. Religion is a choice. If your religion preaches hate and intolerance.

It's garbage.

So are you for conforming to it.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-03-15 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I cannot imagine the institution of the Roman Catholic Church ever proclaiming that homosexuality is acceptable behavior. It would shatter the global congregation. That being said, the Church also guarantees that it is on the wrong side of morality, biology and compassion by it's refusal to make accommodations for same sex couples. The statisticians tell us that 15% of all humans are either homosexual or bisexual. With those numbers we obviously are talking about something that is not mere "choice". It is human biology.

#9 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-03-15 02:58 PM | Reply

Religion is a choice. Sexuality is not. No one wakes up one day and decides to be gay. His holiness the Pope endorsed Joe Biden for President. Biden is pro choice (abortions). The pope is a hypocrite.

#10 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2021-03-15 03:01 PM | Reply

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your (example), and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord ( Lev 1:9 ). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7 . In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness ( Lev 15:19-24 ). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination ( Lev 11:10 ), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27 . How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? ( Lev 24:10-16 ) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? ( Lev. 20:14 )

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.
(from an open letter to Dr. Laura with only one word changed... in the parenthesis)

#11 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2021-03-15 03:05 PM | Reply

"The pope is a hypocrite."

How so? This pope has always been tolerant towards sinners, without condoning their sins.

Also, Biden is Roman Catholic, so the Church probably sees that as enough "compensation" for his sins.

#12 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-03-15 03:07 PM | Reply

Religion is a choice. Sexuality is not. No one wakes up one day and decides to be gay. His holiness the Pope endorsed Joe Biden for President. Biden is pro choice (abortions). The pope is a hypocrite.
#10 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

C'mon Gracie, you're good, but not that good.

#13 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-03-15 03:12 PM | Reply

Also, Biden is Roman Catholic, so the Church probably sees that as enough "compensation" for his sins.

#12 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Huh, whut? compensation? for his sins? So if I pay my local church can I covet my neighbor's wife? She is pretty hot, not that I have noticed, cause that would be coveting, but come on, I have GOT to covet her, I man the bazoombas on her!

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-03-15 03:12 PM | Reply

It's sentinel man, sentinel. Dude has his cap on backwards on purpose.

#15 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-03-15 03:15 PM | Reply

#11, the modern Catholic Church's objection to homosexuality isn't so much based on the book of Leviticus as it is on the fact they see all non-procreational sex as an extension of one of the seven deadly sins.

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-03-15 03:16 PM | Reply

Nah, man. The clergy thinks buggering is evil, except when they do it.

#17 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-03-15 03:19 PM | Reply

It's a little more than that.

When they do it, they think it's evil. But then, we're all born of Original Sin.

So, there's an "out," for those who like to go "in."

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-03-15 03:34 PM | Reply

Snoofy, it's not what goes into a man's mouth that defiles him,
but that which comes out of his mouth that defiles him.

--Matt 15:11

#19 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-03-15 03:41 PM | Reply

BTW, I was reading the article posted last week about the possible authenticity of a copy of deuteronomy and found something quite interesting. There is a great deal of evidence that homosexuality was not originally a sin per Leviticus.

Basically the thought is (according to the scholar) that when the bible was originally written that the authors would transcribe text and add to it, but never take away the language (since it was considered holy).

So, the way Leviticus is written, it is quite clear that a subsequent author added the blanket prohibition against homosexuality.

The original language was against a man having sex with his father (odd that people need to be told not to do that, but that is another issue). Subsequent language appears to be added to expand not having homosexual sex period.

The way Leviticus is written makes it quite compelling that only a subsequent author said homosexuality needed the death penalty.

ahhh here is the opinion piece

www.nytimes.com

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-03-15 03:45 PM | Reply

"Snoofy, it's not what goes into a man's mouth that defiles him,
but that which comes out of his mouth that defiles him.
"

So if they swallow and not spit they'll go to heaven?

#21 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-03-15 03:48 PM | Reply

#11, the modern Catholic Church's objection to homosexuality isn't so much based on the book of Leviticus as it is on the fact they see all non-procreational sex as an extension of one of the seven deadly sins.

#16 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

wellllllllll

en.wikipedia.org

The Church points to several passages in the Bible as the basis for its teachings, including Genesis 19:1-11, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, I Corinthians 6:9, Romans 1:18-32, and I Timothy 10

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-03-15 04:31 PM | Reply

#22. that doesn't contradict what I said. The rationale for what was seen as sin changed between the Torah and later texts. Homosexuality being a sin obviously carried over to the Christian texts, but not simply because the books of Exodus and Leviticus said so.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-03-15 04:55 PM | Reply

Back in the medieval era.

Sex was considered a sin.

Any sex. All sex. The human body became perverse. Flesh was forbidden.

All of this was the church subjugating people to its command.

If you can control how a person thinks. You control the person.

Sodom and Gomorrah became a warning of indulging in pleasure.

So. Sex is a sin.

But. We need to have sex to procreate.

Solution? Give people licenses allowing them to have sex, but only for the purpose of procreation.

It's why contraceptives are attacked. Because contraceptives allow promiscuity and prevent procreation.

Therefore. Sex with a contraceptive is sin.

Homosexuality can't produce offspring. Sex is solely for pleasure.

So. It's a sin.

It's not about sin. It's about control.

It's always been about control.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-03-15 05:14 PM | Reply

"It's always been about control"

And control is the result of gravity. It always has been and always will be.
If the Sun didn't control the Earth through gravity the Earth would no longer receive light and warmth as a reward for staying close and would go flying off toward Pluto.
Faith is simply soul gravity towards the idea of God. It's a manmade construct to simulate in our hearts a feeling of symbiotic balance while honoring the laws of Physics.
Those who despise one control soon find another form of control that they approve of.

#25 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2021-03-15 05:27 PM | Reply

Well he can shove his mitre where the son doesn't shine.

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-03-15 06:19 PM | Reply

Like the Catholic Church has moral authority after shuffling pedophile priests around, enabling them to prey on children, failing to report crimes to secular authorities, spending a fortune defending those who did end up being prosecuted, blaming and shaming the victims...

as an institution they're a disgusting moral failure.

#27 | Posted by LiquidCake at 2021-03-15 07:15 PM | Reply

"as an institution they're a disgusting an incredibly wealthy moral failure."

#28 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-03-15 07:21 PM | Reply

so glad I left the Catholic Church
around age 15... There were so many reasons at the time, just as there remain several reasons today. Truly, it was one of the most crucial decisions I ever made, to leave the world of brainwashing mythology (religion) slowly behind, and to embrace reality in logic, science, and reason. So sad to think there are still 100's of millions mentally enslaved by religion's grasp, to one degree or another...

As Sagan said, "this truly is a demon-haunted
world"...

#29 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-03-15 08:44 PM | Reply

Earth,

Roman Catholics and Protestants have a major doctrinal divide.

For one the Immaculate Conception where Catholics believe Mary was born sinless and that's something many Protestants have a problem with.

Also the whole idea of confession to a priest. Catholics do that. Protestants do not. We pray directly to God confessing our sins (how dare we).

I'm pointing this out so people understand Protestants are not subject to the Pope.

Regardless what church you belong there is a point where some people step back and rethink their lifelong beliefs.

There is leaving the "faith" and there's leaving "organized religion" as a controlling factor.

Like you, I too had to pull away from "organized religion".

Frankly... sometimes I think I came home from church feeling worse. It's like I went each Sunday to get my weekly dose of guilt and shame. That's how it felt at times.

Ironically, sometimes it felt like "forgiveness" was left out of the sermons.

I still consider myself a Christian because I still believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

For my own peace of mind, I had to break free of the guilt of leaving my church and instead find my fellowship with others Christians and witnessing through the testimony of my life.

#30 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-03-15 09:27 PM | Reply

I bet you a trillion dollars that most priests do not have sex with children, nor do they think it's alright.

#5 | Posted by sentinel

Doesn't matter.

It was covered up from the top down and they didn't leave when the church turned their gaze for decades.

Screw them and what they think.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2021-03-15 09:32 PM | Reply

The pope is a hypocrite.

#10 | Posted by gracieamazed

Catholics have been since the day they decided they could cover for pedophiles while still trying to act like they're authorities on morality.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2021-03-15 09:41 PM | Reply

If you can control how a person thinks. You control the person.

So you have met the modern liberal media, I take it?

#33 | Posted by boaz at 2021-03-15 10:02 PM | Reply

Frankly... sometimes I think I came home from church feeling worse .. and instead find my fellowship with others Christians and witnessing through the testimony of my life.
#30 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2021-03-15 09:27 PM

Do you surmise that homosexuals be put to death could have been added as per #20? Doesn't this mean that in the new (older) context homosexuality is not considered a sin? Doesn't that also mean that the false witness and persecution at the hands of "Christians" is the real sin? They have not asked forgiveness and, according to the Pope are prepared to forsake the more original scriptures? Like a false gospel worshipped by a false prophet? Wasn't there a title for that type of person? Anti---Christ?

Personally, I see the path that a revolutionary Jesus of Nazareth walked is undeniably far differing from what all churches profess and have printed and worship.

#34 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2021-03-15 10:31 PM | Reply

"If you can control how a person thinks. You control the person."
So you have met the modern liberal media, I take it?
#33 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2021-03-15 10:02 PM

Is that what happened to Tucker? Is he "thotcon-trolled", involuntarily feeding the white supremacist's?

Check out this tiny expose on his life - Tucker Carlson: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

#35 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2021-03-15 10:36 PM | Reply

Do you want to control the media?

#36 | Posted by bored at 2021-03-15 10:44 PM | Reply

I have no issue with the Catholic Church refusing to bless gay marriages.
I think they should be consistent in their response to gay marriage.
If you get caught getting gay marriaged dozens of times, you have to change churches.

#37 | Posted by bored at 2021-03-15 10:47 PM | Reply

So you have met the modern liberal media, I take it?
#33 | POSTED BY BOAZ

There are two sides to that coin as I view conservative media to be more aggressive with their messaging and straight up lying.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-03-15 11:05 PM | Reply

How come the Catholic church takes no stand against Red Lobster Restaurants?

#39 | Posted by prius04 at 2021-03-15 11:27 PM | Reply

Because it doesn't have anything to do with pee-pee parts.

#40 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-03-16 12:14 AM | Reply

So if they swallow and not spit they'll go to heaven?
#21 | POSTED BY NERFHERDER

Noooo. You sound interested; do you need an example?

#41 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-03-16 12:59 AM | Reply

I see in the news some Catholic priests are overruling the Pope and blessing same sex unions anyway.

Doesn't that make them a Protest-ant?

Actually much of what is accepted these days in the lives Protestant Christians has come about through rebellion.

I've posted before that Christianity is one of the more progressive and evolving religions when compared to other old established faiths.

Christianity has gone through much evolution and revolution through the centuries.

It is yet to be just how this will play out.

#42 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-03-16 11:11 AM | Reply

I see in the news some Catholic priests are overruling the Pope and blessing same sex unions anyway.
Doesn't that make them a Protest-ant?
Actually much of what is accepted these days in the lives Protestant Christians has come about through rebellion.
I've posted before that Christianity is one of the more progressive and evolving religions when compared to other old established faiths.
Christianity has gone through much evolution and revolution through the centuries.
It is yet to be just how this will play out.
#42 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2021-03-16 11:11 AM

From your personal belief and logic - if the older scriptures were altered to include murdering homosexuals does that make Christianity a political death cult? What keeps this revelation from completely shaking the foundations of their fellowship and turn them away from the false doctrine?

It seems to me that Christians are commonly used for anti-Christian behavior, belaying evolution and destroying revolution.

#43 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2021-03-16 12:57 PM | Reply

The Greek term used in the NT translated "sin" is a from a military word meaning to, "miss the mark or target", as in an archer missing a target with his arrow: he was trying to hit it, but he will sometimes miss.

(The Hebrew (chat) and its Greek equivalent (ata/hamartia) both mean "missing the mark" or "off the mark")

Paul teaches that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". Which is axiomatic in that no one is like God.

The "have" in that sentence means "has, does, and will". No one hasn't, doesn't, or won't sin in some way or another.

If you read Romans 1, Paul describes all sorts of sexual sins, which are missing the mark of perfection, which everyone does:

www.biblegateway.com

Then he says why he described them:

"2 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?"

This Pope is more conscientious than most; he isn't saying that homosexuals shouldn't be blessed by the Church (whatever that means) or by God, he is saying that the Church won't bless their marriages, and that they should seek civil unions.

"Homosexual people have a right to be in a family. They're children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out or be made miserable over it," the Pope said, adding: "What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered."

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2021-03-16 01:44 PM | Reply

I've posted before that Christianity is one of the more progressive and evolving religions when compared to other old established faiths.

Christianity has gone through much evolution and revolution through the centuries.

It is yet to be just how this will play out.

#42 | Posted by BillJohnson

That's how you know a religion is true - it keeps changing to keep up with trends in society.

All you brainwashed fantasy believers are hilarious and pathetic to anyone with the intellect and independence to think for themselves.

And then on top of it all, you just choose to ignore whatever parts of your divine instructions you don't like. Care for the poor? Love for immigrants? Those are just optional. Jesus didn't really mention them very often...

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-03-16 03:14 PM | Reply

- All you brainwashed fantasy believers are hilarious and pathetic to anyone with the intellect and independence to think for themselves.

Why are people who "think" they KNOW what is possible and what is not in the universe(s) so defensive? And why are they so arrogant and self-complementary? They sound just like religious fundamentalists.

Perhaps they should apply the Uncertainty Principle from QM to their fundamentalist mechanistic "thought".

Vandana Shiva does a good job of doing just that....

drudge.com

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2021-03-16 04:58 PM | Reply

His holiness the Pope endorsed Joe Biden for President. Biden is pro choice (abortions). The pope is a hypocrite.

#10 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

I am donneramazed that you called the pope a hypocrite and not Biden for it seems that both have changed their minds or "evolved" on the issue .

It just seems like they evolved in different directions. The pope has always said that gay marriage is against church doctrine but that in a secular state they should be protected by civil laws for things such as health care. It seems more hypocritical to me to support the law but not the souls the law is designed to protect.

The Vatican note also pointed to a 2014 interview in which the pope had reiterated that "marriage is between a man and a woman" but that secular states could seek to "justify civil unions to regulate various situations of coexistence, driven by the demand to regulate economic aspects among people, such as ensuring health care."

It is clear, the note said, that Pope Francis was referring to secular laws, "not certainly the doctrine of the Church, many times reaffirmed over the years."

www.nytimes.com

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-03-16 05:22 PM | Reply

Why are people who "think" they KNOW what is possible and what is not in the universe(s) so defensive? And why are they so arrogant and self-complementary? They sound just like religious fundamentalists.

Perhaps they should apply the Uncertainty Principle from QM to their fundamentalist mechanistic "thought".

Vandana Shiva does a good job of doing just that....

drudge.com

#46 | Posted by Corky

Non religious people don't claim to KNOW anything.

We simply laugh at those who do.

There are 3000 religions in the world. You think 2999 of them are wrong and yours is right. If you look at it objectively, that's hilarious.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-03-16 06:05 PM | Reply

If people truely believe 2999 wrongs, how much certainty can anyone have about their beliefs?

#49 | Posted by bored at 2021-03-16 07:06 PM | Reply

Who cares?!

#50 | Posted by Sludge_Report at 2021-03-16 09:25 PM | Reply

What gets me is the thinking that a group of bronze era people who wiped ---- from their asses using their bare hands should be the ones who got "god" right.

#51 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-03-16 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Non religious people don't claim to KNOW anything."

That's funny.

#52 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-03-16 09:57 PM | Reply

Oh nooooooos the pope is Catholic who saw this coming?

#53 | Posted by Tor at 2021-03-16 11:34 PM | Reply

Who cares?!

#50 | Posted by Sludge_Report

YOu should. If it weren't for the brainwashing from birth teaching people to choose faith over evidence, your party would lose most their voters.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-03-17 12:16 AM | Reply

A previous Pope wrote that "human rights programs that advocate for women's rights and gay rights are purveyors of evil", and I have no doubt at all that the next Pope will have the same attitudes.
In America, the Constitution makes the establishment of religion illegal, but religions like the Catholic have carved out a special place for themselves in spite of that Amendment.
If a business said that only men could hold power, and that gay folks were evil and so not allowed to full members, that business would be put out of business. Certainly no organization in America could gain tax exempt status and discriminate against women and gay people.

#55 | Posted by Hughmass at 2021-03-17 08:17 AM | Reply

In America, the Constitution makes the establishment of religion illegal, but religions like the Catholic have carved out a special place for themselves in spite of that Amendment.

#55 | POSTED BY HUGHMASS AT 2021-03-17 08:17 AM | FLAG:

... Rcade, this has to be a bot.

#56 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-03-17 09:51 AM | Reply

Who cares?!

#50 | POSTED BY SLUDGE_REPORT

People who care.

You are obviously not one of them.

So... if you don't really care then you should get one of those famous melonoma jackets that say "I don't really care.... do you? "

#57 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-03-17 10:24 AM | Reply

"When they do it, they think it's evil. But then, we're all born of Original Sin."

The Religulous are so weird.

To them Sex is evil and nasty so you that's why have to save it and only do with the one person you truly Love (and is only for making babies). But it's still nasty and ebil otherwise so....No enjoyment! That's the ebil part. Obviously.

#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-03-17 10:41 AM | Reply

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