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Friday, April 02, 2021

Democrats' proposals to overhaul voting in the U.S. won solid -- although not overwhelming -- support from Americans in a new survey measuring the popularity of major pieces of the sweeping legislation in Congress.

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#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-04-02 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

60% is a solid majority.

But just as congressional Republicans oppose measures like universal background checks, closing the gun show loophole, or infrastructure repair in the face of large majority support among voters, they continue to do the bidding of their wealthy constituency rather than represent the wishes of the citizens they swore to represent.

#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-02 04:05 PM | Reply

Poll: Majority in US Back Easier Voter Registration

"Sure, but when you throw out all the fraudulent survey responses, it's probably closer to 10%."
-GOP

#3 | Posted by censored at 2021-04-02 04:36 PM | Reply

So, it seems Uncle Joe is riding a wave. His personal popularity is incredibly high, people love the way he's handling Covid and the economy. They love the ARP, they love this new infrastructure plan and now they love SB1. I hope Joe Manchin is taking note, the filibuster is stopping some incredibly popular legislation from being passed. C'mon, Joe, get the hell out of the way!

#4 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-04-02 05:28 PM | Reply

75% want to require an ID. That should be the headline here.

#5 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-03 09:49 PM | Reply

75% want to require an ID. That should be the headline here.

Provide a valid link and post the thread. It's not difficult.

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-04-03 10:10 PM | Reply

"Provide a valid link and post the thread. It's not difficult.
#6 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

You are exhibit A in how the media is able to easily manipulate liberals. They know you are too lazy to actually read the articles as your goldfish like brains are incapable of reading beyond the headline.

In this case, had you actually read the article, you have have seen the sentence: "Nearly three-quarters of all Americans " including majorities of both parties " said they support laws requiring voters to present photo identification, even as the Democratic proposal would ease those laws."

So, no need for a new link, just read the actual article before commenting on it.

#7 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-03 10:16 PM | Reply

---- off.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-04-03 10:19 PM | Reply

"#8 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

Did I hurt your little feelings there snowflake? Sorry, sometimes being educated is a humbling experience.

#9 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-03 10:53 PM | Reply

All you did was show you are a liar. We all knew that already.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-04-03 10:58 PM | Reply

Photo ID to vote is an idea that idiots, liars, or people that are ignorant of the voting process embrace. It doesn't do a thing to prevent an imagined problem from happening. It's akin to using elephant repellant in your home in the United States. It doesn't do anything to prevent an elephant from coming into your house, but fools and liars point to no elephants as proof it works.

Anyone that thinks differently can detail the steps it takes to vote, including registration, before saying anything. Prove you know how it works before you offer photo id to vote as a solution. Cite examples of in person voter fraud that would have been prevented with photo id.

Back to the article, only Republicans want to disenfranchise people so they can win. They have to do that because the have no ideas, no values, nothing to offer except a need for power. The majority of Americans don't share that sentiment.

The majority of Americans back Biden and the Democrats on one idea after another.

#11 | Posted by YAV at 2021-04-03 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Photo ID to vote is an idea that idiots, liars, or people that are ignorant of the voting process embrace.
#11 | POSTED BY YAV "

So, 75% of the American people are stupid in your opinion including an overwhelming majority of black people and Hispanics. The only people fighting voter ID as white liberals because in their racist minds, black people are too stupid to own an ID. I posted the video clip of that earlier. But more to point is - what is wrong with white liberals that they feel this way? Well, that is pretty simple - mental illness.

www.powerlineblog.com

The funny thing is that Liberals label everything they fear as 'ineffective'. A border wall, voter ID - it is really funny and telling. Unfortunately, 75% of the American people can tell you are full of ---- at this point.

#12 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-04 01:17 AM | Reply

"The funny thing is that Liberals label everything they fear as 'ineffective'."

Governor Kemp of GA signed that piece of manure into law by saying It would address the "voting irregularities" in the recent election. Meanwhile, GA counted three times and found no voter fraud.

You're coming out foursquare against Kemp mislabeling something as well, right?

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 01:24 AM | Reply

"because in their racist minds, black people are too stupid to own an ID."

You're the only one who makes that claim by calling black people stupid.

Others claim poor, minorities, and the elderly are less likely to have a photo ID (as millions of voting age Americans don't), and to get one, they'd have to hurdle obstacles most folks, particularly the white and wealthy, get to take for granted.

For example, traveling across town, parking near the DMV, bringing the papers, and dealing with the staff are all simple, manageable tasks. Unless you have no transportation, the only bus you can take drops you six blocks from your destination, you have trouble getting the replacement papers they'll accept, and no one at the DMV speaks your language.

But let's cut to the chase: Since GA found no voter fraud in any of its three counts...what problems are GA's new law trying to fix?

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 01:44 AM | Reply

"Meanwhile, GA counted three times and found no voter fraud.
#13 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Are you actually this stupid or just playing make believe? You cannot catch fraud on mail in ballots when you don't have IDs or signature verification. As this has always been the central argument, I have to believe that you are just too ingrained in spouting DNC talking points to actually analyzing the situation.

#15 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-04 01:54 AM | Reply

"You're the only one who makes that claim by calling black people stupid.
Others claim poor, minorities, and the elderly are less likely to have a photo ID (as millions of voting age Americans don't), and to get one, they'd have to hurdle obstacles most folks, particularly the white and wealthy, get to take for granted.
#14 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Yeah - that is what white liberals think - that black people are too stupid to possess an ID or know how to obtain one. That is why you keep screaming ID is racist. Even Biden said black people were too stupid to know how to access the internet. That is your team.

In case you missed it, here is a re-cap of your soy-infused racist Liberal ideas of black people.

www.youtube.com

#16 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-04 01:58 AM | Reply

"that is what white liberals think - that black people are too stupid to possess an ID"

That's the third time you've made that claim. No one else has.

"That is why you keep screaming ID is racist."

I'm very, very sorry you're so ignorant of history.

"That is your team."

That's all you've got?!? Well you're wrong: I'm not a Democrat. F^^k the Democrats. I'm just not about to support a party or a law that makes it illegal to give someone water simply because they're waiting in line to exercise their right to vote. That certainly doesn't make me a Democrat; it makes me a human.

Why do YOU support making it illegal to refill an old lady who brought water but ran out because the line was too long? And why do you keep avoiding the direct question on what "voting irregularities" were happening in Georgia? If you don't have an answer, or are embarrassed by it, at least have the nads to admit as much.

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 02:09 AM | Reply

" You cannot catch fraud on mail in ballots when you don't have IDs or signature verification."

Except there IS signature verification. And only requested ballots are allowed to be received back, so what you're taking about is ballot theft...AFTER someone has purposefully requested a ballot. How rampant do you believe that to be, where someone makes the effort to get a ballot, and then hands it over? Is that a common topic among you and your friends? And do you realize it would only have an effect if the "culler" was voting a DIFFERENT way than the requester would've voted??? That fact ALONE almost completely neutralizes the effect.

Add any amount of logic, and your full-of-manure theory stinks to high heaven.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 02:16 AM | Reply

"I have to believe that you are just too ingrained in spouting DNC talking points to actually analyzing the situation."

Feel free to link to all the Heritage Foundation cases that prove your point. They've got a multi-decade compendium of vote-fraud convictions, which seem to average one/yr/state, the majority of which are either canvassers or counters. I'll even get you started: www.heritage.org

Bonus points if you can find any case in the last two decades which would've been thwarted by voter ID laws.

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 02:23 AM | Reply

"That's the third time you've made that claim. No one else has."

I gave you the link to view. That is your liberal ideology. Black people are inferior and such unable to get an ID. Of course, the black community thinks you are ignorant for holding that belief.

"Well you're wrong: I'm not a Democrat.

HAHAHAHAH. Seriously, even you are running from the Democrat dumpster fire. I am going to make the assumption you voted for Biden. So, don't go about calling yourself an independent. You aren't. You are just embarrassed of your party and don't have the balls to own it.

"I'm just not about to support a party or a law that makes it illegal to give someone water simply because they're waiting in line to exercise their right to vote."

Because it will be abused by trying to either encourage or discourage voting. What if the KKK set up a water stand in a predominately black neighborhood complete with a couple of people open carrying AR-15's. Do you think their water distribution would have an effect on voting?

"That certainly doesn't make me a Democrat; it makes me a human."

It makes you a moron, which was already established by you being a Democrat in today's party.

"Why do YOU support making it illegal to refill an old lady who brought water but ran out because the line was too long?"

See above, already asked an answered.

"And why do you keep avoiding the direct question on what "voting irregularities" were happening in Georgia?
#17 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Voter irregularities? Let them do a signature match, confirm addresses (as Steven Crowder did in Nevada), disqualify felons, and eliminate people that moved and did not update addresses. After you do that, you can come and claim there was no fraud. The issue is that you know the fraud did occur and ID requirements will result in a massive GOP wins in 2022. Your empty claims sound exactly like Lance Armstrong defenders - "he has never been caught so he must be clean" nonsense. We can all smell the rat.

#20 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-04 02:24 AM | Reply

"Because it will be abused by trying to either encourage or discourage voting."

Got any examples, since it was legal until now?

What a joke.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-04 02:26 AM | Reply

"#17 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

And even though you are mentally deficient and a dishonest person, I hope you enjoy your Easter.

#22 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-04 02:27 AM | Reply

"Got any examples, since it was legal until now?
What a joke.
#21 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Yes, it was listed in the next sentence. Get the gerbil out of your rectum so you can concentrate for more than 30 seconds.

#23 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-04 02:28 AM | Reply

"The issue is that you know the fraud did occur"

What fraud is that?
Gonna need some kind of link.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-04 02:29 AM | Reply

"Got any examples, since it was legal until now?
#21 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Yes, it was listed in the next sentence.
#23 | POSTED BYFAMILY_VALUES

Your next sentence was a hypothetical, not an example.

You're a liar.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-04 02:31 AM | Reply

"What if the KKK set up a water stand in a predominately black neighborhood complete with a couple of people open carrying AR-15's. Do you think their water distribution would have an effect on voting?"

What if they did?

Would it be less intimidating without the water stand?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-04 02:33 AM | Reply

"Voter irregularities? Let them do a signature match"

They did that. Including the first count, second count, and third count.

Why are you lying, and why do you believe your point can't be made without lying?

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 02:36 AM | Reply

"That is your liberal ideology."

Let's add "my ideology" to the list of things you know nothing about.

That said, it's crystal clear you're in favor of criminalizing handing water to the thirsty, provided they're trying to vote.

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 02:39 AM | Reply

" The issue is that you know the fraud did occur "

Fraud always occurs in isolated instances. The SoS in PA found two guys who used their dead fathers' absentee ballots to vote for Trump.

But fraud didn't occur in any significant manner, anywhere. And the folks you vote for had over 60 chances to produce it. So tell us: why, in over 60 court cases, were there exactly ZERO claims of fraudulent votes? Or is the "fraud" you're referring to the odd case, like the guys voting for Trump with their dead fathers' ballots?

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 02:58 AM | Reply

"We can all smell the rat."

That's the stench of you pulling your claims out of your asssss.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 02:59 AM | Reply

@#20 ... Voter irregularities? Let them do a signature match, confirm addresses (as Steven Crowder did in Nevada), disqualify felons, and eliminate people that moved and did not update addresses. After you do that, you can come and claim there was no fraud....

If it were that easy, then why did fmr Pres Trump, his lawyers and his campaign get laughed out of court so frequently.

Really, the fantasy you have of voter fraud does not hold up when evidence is requires to confirm it.

So, what ya got to substantiate that which you assert?


#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-04-04 03:24 AM | Reply

Anyone notice republicans never complain about Utahs mail in voting because it went for Trump... it seems mail in voting is only corrupt in states Trump lost.

#32 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2021-04-04 07:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I see "Family_Values" can't pass the most basic requirement:

...detail the steps it takes to vote, including registration... Prove you know how it works before you offer photo id to vote as a solution. Cite examples of in person voter fraud that would have been prevented with photo id.

I know the process. I know what's required to register. I know what's required to vote now and before photo id was required. I know that photo id hasn't reduced voter fraud because there was none before photo id. There was none at all where I live. Zero cases.

You know how come people could vote in this country and other countries for hundreds of years without photo id? Because clever people came up with a system that was pretty damn good.

You register to vote, proving you are eligible.
Your address is required.
You are sent a voter id card.
You sign the card.

When it's time to hold an election, your precinct gets your name and address published in the voter roll book.
When you go to vote, you sign your name in the voter roll next to your address.
Your signature is verified in the book and on the card.
You get a ballot with a serial number.
You vote.

If someone shows up at your precinct pretending to be you, and your signature and ballot are already voted, then this may be a cause of fraud. They can be given a provisional ballot to vote, however it will be verified before it is counted. The key is that this is a huge red flag.

If you show up and try and vote and you can't because the system says you already voted (signed at your address), you are given a provisional ballot. Same thing as above. Two people, same address, same name, red flag.

The serial numbers may come in handy for determining what happened, however most of the time that isn't even required.

It is almost always resolved without any finding of criminal intent. This story and explanation from North Carolina is a good read and example: abc11.com

It pretty much works the same way here.

Photo ID at the poll doesn't do a thing to improve the process. Nada.

#33 | Posted by YAV at 2021-04-04 09:55 AM | Reply

I agree that there is no widespread evidence of voter fraud. But I also agree with those who say lack of evidence does not mean it didn't occur. Without voter ID we do not have the tools to detect fraud.

I also agree with those who say that there probably was no widespread voter fraud in the last election, because most people act in their own self interests, and there is no real payoff for an individual to vote fraudulently.

But I believe voter ID is necessary because without it we leave the barn door wide open for widespread fraud in the future. IT ISA ONLY A MATTER OF TIME before we do see fraud to the level that it completely destroys election integrity. This can come from either side or a foreign entity, so it should be a non-partisan issue.

I worked on a political campaign, which allowed me to download voter databases for my entire county. I "scored" voters based on their likelihood to vote based on their voting history, and used this list to target mailings for the campaign to those with the highest scores. This information includes race, sex, date of birth, party affiliation, address and telephone numbers. The database was updated daily, allowing me to identify who voted, when and how (mail, early, etc), so I could remove those who already voted from my lists. I also knew who requested a mail in ballot and whether they had returned them. This information is public record in most states.

I also generated a list of the voters with scores of "Zero". These are the people who have either NEVER cast a vote, or stopped voting years ago. This was the longest list, and these folks got deleted from my mailing lists. No sense spending money on people who won't show up. Supposing I sent the "zeros" on to the Russians, or the Chinese? Supposing they got a hold of a pile of non-solicited mail in absentee ballots and filled them out for these folks? Who would know?

Supposing I sent that list to any large special interest group, Q'Anon, or Antifa,BLM, NRA? Any group so passionate about their cause that they could get tens of thousands of followers to show up and break the law for a "greater good". Supposing they assigned their members to change addresses and request mail in ballots for these voters, or present themselves at 10 polling places a day impersonating these folks? Yes, someone would talk and we would probably know, but by then the damage would be done and how would we fix it?

#34 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-04-04 12:58 PM | Reply

"Without voter ID we do not have the tools to detect fraud."

If ID would bring anything to the tabpe, why haven't Republicans who want voter ID at the State level sponsored a Federal Voter ID?

Spoiler alert: Because a Federal ID would supersede Republican state ID programs which are designed to make it harder for likely Democrat voters to get ID. By limiting the number of places people can get ID, restricting hours, and so on.

It would make it too easy to get an ID, which would defeat the true purpose of voter ID.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-04 02:37 PM | Reply

These threads are becoming the new Global Warming threads.

With the exact same people being deniers, albeit with new accounts.

This type of Conservatism is a mental illness.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-04 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" You are just embarrassed of your party and don't have the balls to own it."

Good God, man, how many irony meters are you going to explode?

You constantly prove the axiom: Republicans are nothing but confession or projection.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 03:53 PM | Reply

"Without voter ID we do not have the tools to detect fraud."

A statement already debunked by the link I provided.

I outlined the voting process. Show me where and how having a Photo ID in any way changes those dynamics and the forensics used to determine and remedy a voting conflict or fraud. Please proceed.

#38 | Posted by YAV at 2021-04-04 03:53 PM | Reply

" Spoiler alert: Because a Federal ID would supersede Republican state ID programs which are designed to make it harder for likely Democrat voters to get ID ... It would make it too easy to get an ID, which would defeat the true purpose of voter ID."

(Unrecognized) Newsworthy flag.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 03:56 PM | Reply

" IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME before we do see fraud to the level that it completely destroys election integrity."

Nonsense. Anything that large is self-defeating: all it would take is ONE person coming forward for it all to collapse. The entire operation depends on the least loyal person remaining loyal. The larger it gets, the more likely it won't work.

Someone should work up the equation of the maximum amount of conspirators one can have before it's guaranteed at least one of them posts a brag on Facebook. My guess is single digits.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 04:06 PM | Reply

"Show me where and how having a Photo ID in any way changes those dynamics and the forensics used to determine and remedy a voting conflict or fraud."
~Yav

I second that question. I'd like to read a direct answer as well.

In addition, I don't know what state you're from, but I'll bet you can't find a single case from your home state in the last 20 years where an ID would've thwarted the crime. I linked the Heritage site above; knock yourself out.

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-04 04:24 PM | Reply

Not gonna waste my time with Yav due to his abusive language on other threads.

Danforth, My argument focuses on the future, not the past 20 years. Read my post again. I agreed with you that an operation like that would collapse quickly, but the damage will be done by then, short term in that tainted election (how do you even quantify and remedy that?) and long term in destroying public confidence in the electoral system once people see how easy it was to pull off.

The Russian/Chinese mail in voting scheme? Entirely possible for that to happen and escape detection without changes to existing law. The 30+ percent of people who never vote would not notice if someone or something voted for them.

#42 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-04-05 09:45 AM | Reply

Snoofy, they have look up REAL ID, which standardized ID requirements for states. Now tell me, why haven't the liberals taken steps to help these millions of potentially disenfranchised people get an ID card, which would open the doors to a myriad of other helpful programs and services for these folks? Because they don't really care about helping these people get services or to the polls, they just want to use them as pawns to perpetuate the faux "Voter ID is racist" narrative to demonize Republicans.

#43 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-04-05 09:55 AM | Reply

"Now tell me, why haven't the liberals taken steps to help these millions of potentially disenfranchised people get an ID card,"

Probably because people have been more concerned with helping folks survive the pandemic:

Real ID Deadline Delayed Until Late 2021 Because of Coronavirus

The original enforcement date was set for Oct. 1, 2020, but the federal, state and local response to the pandemic warranted a delay, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

The Department of Homeland Security has extended the deadline for Real ID enforcement by 12 months because of the Covid-19 pandemic, postponing an already delayed government requirement for enhanced identification to board domestic flights.

www.nytimes.com

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-04-05 10:05 AM | Reply

In NY state you can get a real ID or a standard one. As I understand it, you will only need a real ID for traveling on domestic flights or outside of the country, and if you don't have a real ID but just a standard one, you will need to have a passport.

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-04-05 10:10 AM | Reply

"which would open the doors to a myriad of other helpful programs and services for these folks? Because they don't really care about helping these people get services or to the polls"

REAL ID requirements don't apply to:

Voting or registering to vote

Applying for or receiving federal benefits

Being licensed by a state to drive or to rent a car

Entering federal facilities that do not require identification (including a defendant's access to court proceedings, National Parks, and Social Security offices)

Accessing health- or life-preserving services (including hospitals and health clinics)

Participating in law enforcement proceedings or investigation

Ability to purchase alcohol, cash checks, or gamble

You can also continue to use your standard driver's license or ID card for other U.S. travel like driving in and across state lines or riding a train.


upgradedpoints.com

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-04-05 10:18 AM | Reply

"Now tell me, why haven't the liberals taken steps to help these millions of potentially disenfranchised people get an ID card"

Because liberals don't wield power in the states that are rolling out Voter ID.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-05 10:55 AM | Reply

"Now tell me, why haven't the liberals taken steps to help these millions of potentially disenfranchised people get an ID card"

Because liberals don't wield power in the states that are rolling out Voter ID.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-05 10:55 AM | Reply

"I agreed with you that an operation like that would collapse quickly, but the damage will be done by then,"

Only if people are still willing to lie about election accuracy, and still others still willing to believe what they want instead of the facts.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-05 11:13 AM | Reply

"The Russian/Chinese mail in voting scheme? Entirely possible for that to happen and escape detection "

WTF are you talking about?
1. Every ballot returned which was not requested is investigated.
2. Any "fake ballot" scheme would fall apart, since there is NO WAY to predict exactly who will vote and who won't. Anything on scale would have so many duplicate votes, it would be exposed immediately.

Again, the theory itself is self-defeating: any conspiracy large enough to sway an election is too large to keep 100% secret. Conspiracies are all weak-link operations, in they are only as secret as the least secretive person in the conspiracy.

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-05 11:18 AM | Reply

Every ballot also has a serial number. They are all unique. They are all tracked.

#51 | Posted by YAV at 2021-04-05 11:48 AM | Reply

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