Crimea is part of Russia,has been for centuries.It's like saying the feds were wrong for keeping Maryland in the union in 1861.

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What's wrong with their "demands"? We have been stifling the whole earth for at least 120 years. There are other ways of living besides American capitalism. Why is everything our way or no way? Venezuela,Cuba,Bolivia,Chile. We have ---- all over the Western Hemisphere.

Iraq,Iran,Vietnam,Cambodia,Korea, we have ---- all over Asia.

What possible reason except fear of military defeat and or, total destruction of their economic systems,would make them want to do things "our way". We are shameless and unrepentant bullies and imperialists.

Russia and China both have the high moral ground compared to the USA. Lol.

#9 Earthmuse.

Why does America fear a multi-polar world? We are alone strategically in North America, invasion is a laughable fear. We're gonna be fine no matter what they do in Asia. We want to Project Force on others with total impunity. We want hegemony over the whole earth itself,and now space as well.

It's ------- sick.

I didn't say no effect. I said we don't have to Control everything on whole earth. We don't have to dominate them,force them to accept economic and political systems they don't want.

We can accept them as equals and just play defense rather than being a militant bully about everything so they are always on edge.

Accept that they have spheres of influence and respect their boundaries and space like we expect them to do us. Not Crowd Russia at their western border and push NATO ever deeper into their face. How would we respond to a huge military base and frequent war games by Russia in Venezuela or Cuba? America is like the British Empire in 1920. We are effete and ripe to fall into second class statehood. It really should happen sooner rather than later if nuclear war and possible Extinction are to be avoided.

----------- world has always been multi-polar. It's only the elites of western expansionist powers that push global as opposed to regional dominance. China is legitimately the rising force in East Asia.

Russia has been invaded from the West multiple times and been catastrophically impacted by this repeatedly in the last hundred years or so. They have great reason to be paranoid,us not so much.

We have never been successfully attacked except in 1814 by the British,and on 9/11/2001. That was a small attack that killed a few thousand,it was a one off caused by hubris and carelessness.

Russia was repeatedly raped by enemies from the West. They are not paranoid,they are rationally afraid.

Are they hostile? You make a lot of basic assumptions. They are self interested,that's not he same as hostile. Make the case,how exactly are they hostile? They don't want to do things our way. They want to do things their own way.

So do we. The difference is we sanction,and bomb,and drone and invade countries that are not a direct threat to us in any way.

Neither Russia or China has done this.

Russia has far more to fear from NATO than NATO has to fear from them. China is the rising power,get over it. China is not expansionist,they are trader's,not warrior's. They want markets and economic power,things we willingly gave them long ago to our own detriment. We should be building back our economic base and manufacturing infrastructure,not ceding that to them without a murmur. America is a bully,we just want to fight, not create wealth by actual endeavor, but only by financial gamesmanship.

We are decadent and in total and irreversible decline as a player internationally.

No we can't keep up with them. We are divided and at odds as a nation. We need unity or acceptance of decline. Acceptance would be better,there would be less loss of life and fewer wars of aggression if we just backed off.

Foreign wars as a tool to build national unity are criminal and unsuccessful at what they are attempting to achieve.

Check Nazi Germany,or Napoleonic Europe,both disasters for the nation's that begat them.

We haven't nuked them,and we love war. Why would they nuke us? We're their biggest market. You are projecting American values onto people who are not Americans. The Russians don't want the Ukraine, but they do want Crimea,which voted to rejoin them overwhelmingly. The elections have not been shown to be fraudulent or coerced.

Mind our own business,get our own house in order. We can't even police our own Capitol, what makes us think we can police Russia and Asia?

He learned it all from us. We've been doing it all to Russia,Iran,Iraq, Vietnam,most of Latin America. What moral high ground are we on?

Your entire argument stinks of rank hypocrisy.

Russia is becoming competitive in world meddling and you don't like it one bit. Maybe we should have thought of that when we ------ with them in the early 1990s and expanded NATO into their freaking faces.

Maybe we don't like the shoe on the other foot. What comes around goes around. We are Not the Indispensable Nation,we don't See Further into the Future. We are losing power and influence as they rise. We should gracefully back off and really be a force for peace and tolerance.

Never Happen. War is all we know,we will die by the sword,at war with ourselves,and "Enemies" Abroad.

America is a lost soul,a force for evil in the world and we scarcely even notice day to day,we just consume too much and meddle too much,entitled brats that we are. Putin has no monopoly on "evil" his crimes are minor and local compared to our own as a nation and people.

What invading forces? Russia hasn't moved. They are only being provocative in manner, mimicking the NATO war games in Poland and the Baltics. Russia isn't pushing us,we are pushing them. You keep calling defensive manouvers offensive,but WHEN NATO does the same thing it's A OK.

Both sides should back the eff off. NATO has no modern reason for existing,the Warsaw Pact is long dead,most of its members are in NATO now.

Russia has more to fear from A western attack than we do from them. We are the ones being paranoid here.

Both. They are flexing,showing us the limits of our power. They are countering our aggression with their own. This is extremely dangerous for everyone. We should back off as we are the invading power here. Russia is in their own yard, so to speak. They have more to lose if everything goes to ----. They also have more staying power in the event of an extended war.

They are mentally tougher than we are. More invested, as it's their home, not even our Continent. We are Interlopers there. Meddlers.

You're the one pushing for involvement. Let Europe be Europe. I doubt open war will break out. If it does it's a European war. They have weapons and Militaries. Why is it our fight even if it happens? Honest question. NATO has no reason to exist anymore. It's just a proxy for American meddling in eastern Europe. It's just a way to foment war at this time. We have no real business in Europe east of the Elbe. The Germans are more than capable of providing security if we left Europe as a Military presence Altogether. They just are afraid of becoming a little too eager.

How is it so dumb? Russia was invaded, In 1812,in 1917,in 1941. They took tens of millions of causalities,they have reason to be leery about war games and missiles on Their western frontier. When has the USA Ever Been invaded on a similar scale? We get scared far more easily than most other nations given our isolation and Militarism. Explain why my post was Stupid,I don't see it.