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"So, you got fat, white Georgians swearin' offa Coca-Cola? You might as well tell 'em you're gonna stop eatin' the free cornbread at Cracker Barrel while you're at it. No, you ain't!"

"How long ya'll give it till we catch one of them in an airport bathroom with a Coke Zero up their butt?"

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2021-04-06 05:33 PM | Reply

Corky,

Another link to this guy?

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

#2 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-06 07:42 PM | Reply

Clicking it is optional. Especially if it's scary.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2021-04-06 08:02 PM | Reply

Corky,

Oh...he's cute. Could just watch him with the volume down and enjoy it.

#4 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-06 08:07 PM | Reply

You boycotting google Bill?

#5 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-04-06 08:08 PM | Reply

Tao,

Why? Now what did they do?

#6 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-06 08:08 PM | Reply

Corky,

When you watch him, just think of me enjoying him with you....with the volume down.

Just you and Trae...and me.

#7 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-06 08:16 PM | Reply

just think of me enjoying him with you....with the volume down.

Just you and Trae...and me.

This is some soft core gay porn right here.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-06 08:30 PM | Reply

Clown,

"This is some soft core gay porn right here."

Until someone starts breaking out the Coke products.

We'll just not go there.

#9 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-06 08:52 PM | Reply

Until someone starts breaking out the Coke products.

When you say "coke"...

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-06 09:42 PM | Reply

Now you are scaring me, Billimeana.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2021-04-06 09:51 PM | Reply

Corky,

I sort of already guessed it but I verified Trae Crowder is an atheist.

What would be interesting would be a debate between Trae Crowder and Steven Crowder.

Talk about opposite extremes.

#12 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-07 09:05 AM | Reply

"Crowder is an atheist, as he explained that he had personally never "been particularly down with Jesus" because of the conservative social views on homosexuality held by most Christian denominations, especially in the area where he was raised.'

Wiki

He's not alone in being turned off by Christianity because of hypocritical Christians.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2021-04-07 11:25 AM | Reply

Corky,

You are correct.

The higher ones ideals, the greater chance you have of acting like a hypocrite.

#14 | Posted by Billjohnson at 2021-04-07 12:36 PM | Reply

Corky,

There are some pretty harsh professing Christians out there.

It took me years to separate myself and my beliefs from being influenced by others too heavily.

#15 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-07 12:52 PM | Reply

Corky,

From his neck of the woods I figure he's heard it all.

I know his culture well.

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-07 12:56 PM | Reply

Corky,

Rather than hypocrisy of all Christians, he probably meant he was hurt badly by one particular person he admired and respected.

That's what happens to a lot of people.

That has happened to me more than once. But you can't attribute the bad behavior of one person on to all people.

I've learned you just can't put too much stock in others.

Ultimately we are judged by our own actions and not the actions of others.

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-07 01:15 PM | Reply

#15 It's OK to take a sip of the Kool-Aide, just don't down the entire chalice. The next thing you'll know most of your time, energy and money will be going to the church. Believe me Bill.

#18 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-07 03:28 PM | Reply

Mad,

Money... interesting topic.

I will not pay my way into Gods grace.

"They" tell me I can not be financially blessed without giving to the church.

Who says I want to be financially blessed?

I think the worst thing that could happen to you is to give to a church and then get a lot of money.

You might be afraid then to not continue giving lest you lose it all.

The psychological trappings from reinforcement sound almost as bad as being a gambling addict.

I'm a generous person but I'm not looking for a return on my investment.

I'm not incorporating capitalism into my Christian faith.

#19 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-07 09:54 PM | Reply

Bill, the only explicit mentioning of tithing is in Malachi at the end of the Old Testament, and the Pentateuch to keep the High Priests fed and clothed.

Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the Lord Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.

Malachi 3:10

American-style Charismatic-Evangelical and Southern Baptists cling on to this verse for dear life using guilt trips to make the congregants dig deeper into their pockets.

Even Benjamin Franklin commented on this in his Autobiography. When he would attend holy services, he noticed the longer the pastor taught about tithing, the deeper the flock pressed their hands into their pockets out of guilt.

#20 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-07 10:04 PM | Reply

I have a good friend who explained to me that Evangelical-Charismatic churches and Southern Baptist churches were simply Country Clubs members could attend on the weekends, listen to live music, and be told an uplifting sermon, instead of playing golf. I'd never thought of it that way before, but he was right.

#21 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-07 10:08 PM | Reply

Mad,

I attended Southern Baptist for years.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-07 10:13 PM | Reply

Mad,

Southern Baptist churches have a lot of sincere people of faith too who are not into money and status.

#23 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-07 10:19 PM | Reply

Bill, have you ever met someone who had the Holy Ghost? I mean, like in the Shining? I've seen that once. Met everything from real honest Christians to the whole pit of Hell --------, too. Including a real Ned Flanders. And some evil, and some Evil.

#24 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-04-07 11:34 PM | Reply

#24 I have. You can usually tell with five seconds whether you're dealing with a neurotic, psychotic, borderline personality disorder, or narcissist. People I used to think had "The Holy Ghost" are simply ultra-conscientious people with an uncontrolled superego with a neurosis. Some of the are born leaders.

#25 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 12:08 AM | Reply

I was reared in an Assembly of God church, was baptized (fully dunked, not sprinkled), twice and baptized by the Holy Spirit. The Evangelist asked if I had asthma. I said a little, it's physically induced or by dust. He told the congregation to be quiet and said, "People we've got a Prophet in our midst. God has taken away this boy's breath and given him a new reason to live!"

I thought it was strange, and chalked it up to him knowing human nature well. I've never spoken in tongues, though.

#26 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 12:16 AM | Reply

#26 No, this was really weird. It was like the stuff RLR talked about.

First off, he was incredible lucky. I mean even physically, like if you played dice against him. This was a short guy, about 5'6" and thin. When we met we could tell there was something different about us. I didn't know he was Christian at first, and this was the first time I had ever heard about having the Ghost. I was about 18?

Anyway, as a sport we would get into dice competitions. With anyone. I don't gamble so I don't take peoples money. But we would totally dominate the dice games to the point that we where just making fun of the other players, calling dice rolls and trying to one-up each-other.

I know how weird that sounds, but people like RLR and me and that guy really do exist.

He once told me "I don't know what you got, but it isn't Evil".

That's good to know.

#27 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-04-08 12:31 AM | Reply

On the other tentacle, maybe we are evil. I've heard it said that evil people never consider themselves evil.

#28 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-04-08 12:38 AM | Reply

Well, the closest thing I could ascribe to your testimony is I always win at poker. I would end up with all the chips/pennies and redistribute them equally among the players to keep the game alive. This happened three times in a row one evening. The alpha dog finally gave up and said, "---- you Richard, man." We were smoking herb and drinking, but I kept it to a minimum to retain my existentialism.

#29 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 12:39 AM | Reply

Somehow, I can innately tell if people are bluffing. It's an instinctive human skill, not a supernatural one. Possibly developed over generation of my sires being ------ in the ass by hucksters.

#30 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 12:40 AM | Reply

People can tell a lie with confidence, but the accompanying grimace gives them away.

--Friedrich Nietszche

#31 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 12:43 AM | Reply

#20

The New Testament churches were taught by Paul that they were to, "share with" or pay the teachers who taught them.

Jesus said to the Pharisees of the tithe, "this you should have done".

None of which of course invokes the give to get, pay to play heresy of the Prosperity Gospel... nor the cult of Supply-Side Jesus.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2021-04-08 12:45 AM | Reply

- (fully dunked, not sprinkled), twice and baptized by the Holy Spirit.

So funny. The Church of Christ that got a hold of me as teen (because my girlfriend went there) were convinced that my admittedly early (about 7 or 8 years old) baptism at a small Baptist Church in Ft Worth hadn't "taken" given my attitude of arguing with them about the bible, that they baptized me a second time.

And then a third time a year or so later, lol, after they brought in a Ringer to argue with me.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2021-04-08 12:52 AM | Reply

#31 Well, it's more than that. The reason I was able to match the guy is odd. When I run RPG's, my players are constantly telling me about the visuals they are getting as I imagine a scene just before I describe it. And they will laugh and say what they saw, what I'm just about to describe. And all of them know that my dice rolls aren't random. "Another perfect game, Pindar. It all came down to the wire, we won, and nobody died."

What broke up my group was a game of Nuclear War. I had always blown these things off or explained them away. But one day I was really mad at the this Pat guy. And I was the first to launch, but in nuclear war there is a lot of reasons to start a war, and mine was that I was out of propaganda and Secrets cards and only had a hand-full of nothing but weapons. Remember, this is just a card game. So I said "Hmm. Who should I target" and spun the fallout spinner. And as is was slowing, I made my decision and looked at Pat with a certain evil glare and said "Pat". And it stopped spinning, and reversed a few inches and pointed right at him.

There was no walking away from that one. And that was the end of my RPG group.

I have more stories like that.

#34 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-04-08 02:55 AM | Reply

Mad,

What would someone filled with the Holy Ghost be like?

How would you tell?

#35 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-08 01:03 PM | Reply

Mad,

What does being filled with the Holy Ghost mean to you?

Why does it matter?

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-08 01:47 PM | Reply

Mad,

How is this different from other Christians?

What is the point?

Are they supposed to fulfill some mission like eating berries living in the wilderness crying Prepare Ye the way of Lord?

Funny thing is I wasn't sure what sort of church Assembly of God was but I thought you sounded like a Pentecostal. So I looked up AoG and sure enough.

Why not just say Pentecostal?

Hey...I always liked Jimmy Swaggart better than Falwell.

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-08 02:32 PM | Reply

What does being filled with the holy ghost? What she set you back at the local liquor store. I'd recconned.

#38 | Posted by lauramohr at 2021-04-08 05:08 PM | Reply

Bill,

In my youth, the Assemblies of God church was very similar to Pentacostal churches. During a morning service, it was normal Protestant proceedings. Unless an itenerant evangelist blew through town. Then all hell broke loose.

Pew jumping, dancing in the spirit, speaking in tongues, people being "healed" up front on stage and falling down prostrate in the spirit (someone would always come by and cover the women's legs and dresses with a sheet). Someone would always be behind the person knocked down in the spirit to catch them falling. It was all an act. You'd be surprised what antics people would go through. The Apostle Paul preached against this and said services should be orderly.

At the end of the service, the pastor's wife would get on the big Hammond organ and start playing melancholy background music just like a carnibal barker. That's when the real denoument happened. People would put in their tithes and offerings. The pastor usually was making a speech during offering to force the more hard-hearted fiddle in their pockets for some money. Then came the end-of-service speil. Be well fed and clothed and go in peace.

My father was one of those who spoke and interpreted in tongues. We had a long conversation about this on the Nooner a couple weeks ago. He also knew many languages autodidactically. Even as a kid I could tell what languages were spoken on Shortwave radio, and I couldn't tell what language it was he was speaking. My First Christian Church girlfriend told me her church considered it demon possession.

#39 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 05:28 PM | Reply

When time passed by, all of them were found as frauds. All of them. Especially the televangelists. My father was very disappointed.a When he got home from work, my sister and I would hide in our rooms while he watched CBN and PTL network until he went to bed. He'd drunk the Kool-Aid for sure.

When he got older and after his stroke he became a different person and started watching Baywatch. LOL. He stopped watching the Pentacostal numbnuts on TV since they were all realized as frauds. I think this was one of the factors for him having a stroke. The other was the new church we'd built from scratch didn't want him as a pastor. See, he'd taken the courses and was ordained as a minister in the Assemblies of God. I've still got the paperwork in my safe for some reason. Everytime I go to clean it out of superfluous paperwork, I leave it there. He was so proud of it and to be called Reverend. He rarely got to preach, though. They didn't like him.

There was a spare, beautiful Yamaha six-string acoustic guitar left there and the current pastor said, take it home and learn to playit so you can help me on stage. It took about a week of learning the circle of fifths and by next Sunday I was playing along with the preacher. I also brought a Fender Bass from High School band and plugged it directly into then soundboard. This new church was a spinoff of the first one that had dissolved and the preacher run out of town. This new one was a non-denominational effort. Very few speaking in tongues, no pew jumping or dancing in the spirit. Lots of prayer, though, and the laying=on of hands.

I finally gave up on all of it around the age of 16 and started going to my girlfriend's First Christian Church which was much more tame. I went with her for over a year. Why I ended up stop going is another story in itself. Which would seriously make this post TL/DR, but it is fascinating.

#40 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 05:41 PM | Reply

Anyway, I was caught at an early age and still can't completely extract all I was taught as a child no matter how many courses in mathematics and science I took. There still is a latent doubt that there is a God. Not that I pray to Him much anymore, except in dire circumstances beyond my control.

I thought I'd completely ridden myself of the indoctrination years ago, but one day my beloved Siamese cat died. After I buried her in the backyard, I drove into Waco on a mission to a liquor store. I bought a half gallon of cheap McCormack vodka. On the was home, I said outloud, "God, you ------------- bastard, why'd you have to take my cat...one of the only things left I have, you ------- sick -------!!" It was then and there I realized I still believed in God to a certain extent or I wouldn't have let loose that string of blasphemous admonitions.

#41 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 05:52 PM | Reply

I've often wondered what my life would've been like had I not been caught at 5 years old and indoctrinated in non-denominational full fruits Christianity. Would I be happier? Would this enormous Superego not exist. It just causes problems of guilt all the time. I wish sometimes I could rid myself of it.

#42 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 05:56 PM | Reply

#40

I was indoctrinated into the Catholic church VERY early on. Sunday mass, Sunday school (catechism), youth group, I even joined the church's volleyball team. It was around the age of 17 or 18 that I watched a movie on HBO focusing on the church's coverup of pedophile priests. That upended my entire religious existence and I haven't been the same since. It was a slow walk away from the church, especially the one I grew up in. What really solidified my walk away from the local, community church that I made most of my friends in was the multi-million dollar remodel they implemented. The entire inside was gutted and reformulated, so even the bit of nostalgia I experienced going back to mass on Christmas or Easter was undermined. Not only that, but in my humble opinion, those millions could have been put to better use than stucco and drywall.

The final straw for me was when I confronted my mother with the cover up scandal. She's been in the church choir since she was a kid, she was still singing in it up until COVID. When I was 19 years old, I tried to explain to her why I refused to attend mass or celebrate traditional holidays any longer, finally being completely honest with her. She wouldn't have it, ignored it. Didn't think it was a valid excuse since nobody I knew in our church had been molested. My father later told me that it's probably better I just don't talk about it around her; she was having major difficulty with acknowledging the truth of the matter. She's gotten better recently, but that's involved 20 years of evidence continuously pouring out showing the moral misgivings of church leadership.

Later in life, I read a biography on Albert Einstein and really appreciated how he viewed religion and what it was that pulled him away from the superstitious stuff:

Through the reading of popular scientific books, I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic ---- of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. -- Albert Einstein, 1949

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-04-08 06:19 PM | Reply

I read the same book by Einstein. It was fascinating. i suppose Jews had a hard time keeping the faith after the Holocaust. Even to the point of putting God on trial and finding him guilty of crimes against humanity.

#44 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 06:23 PM | Reply

I wish sometimes I could rid myself of it.
#42 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST

I'll tell you what 18 years of Catholic indoctrination left me: a bulging, unrelenting sense of guilt. ----, I accidently killed a squirrel on the golf course the other day. It's still breaking me up inside, but I can't say anything. Can't show emotion for some rodent, wouldn't be kosher.

I've been fishing plenty, no real issue when killing an animal is intentional. By accident though, felt different, felt deeper guilt than I would have anticipated, watching his little leg twitch slower and slower until, nothing.

I just wish it didn't happen, for both the squirrel's sake and my own.

#45 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-04-08 06:24 PM | Reply

I read Clownshack's stories and I'm satisfied that he has a well-developed conscience without all the hobgoblinry from not being reared in American-style churches. So it is possible to realize the truth without being formally idoctrinated.

#46 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 06:28 PM | Reply

by religion, that is.

#47 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 06:29 PM | Reply

Wow. I went through a string of churches as a kid, from fundy to New Age. All of them sucked. I did like one my friends went too, because the pastor ran D&D. Then the church found out and shipped him to Japan.

Mom sent me to a Unitarian Sunday school. They hypnotized us and tried to teach us to see auras after the cookies and cool-aid.

The fundy stuff was worse. I went to Camp Good News. That's a fun story. They confiscated my science-fiction book, an Edgar Rice Burroughs about Venus. The cabins all had names like "Daniels Den" (everybody named Daniel bunked there) and other Jeesusy-Weesusy names. I, of course, went straight for "The Fiery Inferno". I'll never forget the staff complaining about how the fiery inferno people always won the talent contests. We also won the shaving-cream raid wars.

It really turned me off on the concept of God until I found out the spirit world was real in 8th grade. That's a fun story.

#48 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-04-08 06:29 PM | Reply

Heliumrat, I'd bet my left nut that most posters here have horror stories abot being reared in churches. I suppose the parents though it was a safe environment for their kids instead of hanging out on the block under a pari of tennis shoes tied up overhead on the electric wires.

It's definitely an untapped source of good conversations.

#49 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 06:35 PM | Reply

#45 Hey, that's normal.

#50 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-04-08 06:35 PM | Reply

Usually, the first sniff of the opposite sex makes the church take a back-burner place for several years into your 20s.

#51 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 06:37 PM | Reply

#45 Hey, that's normal.
#50 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

Appreciate that, and I keep telling myself that, but it does little to mitigate the guilt. It's a damn curse bestowed upon the best of us recovering Catholics.

#52 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-04-08 06:38 PM | Reply

Mad,

I agree with you. Being angry with God demonstrates you aren't an atheist.

No..I don't have horror stories from being reared in a church. Most of my disappointments have been people in my life for one reason or another but not my church.

A lot of my disappointments are the result of my own mistakes dealing with people or unrealistic expectations.

#53 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-08 10:10 PM | Reply

Mad,

A lot of mistakes last a lifetime.

#54 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-08 10:17 PM | Reply

I can't argue with that, Bill.

#55 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-08 10:21 PM | Reply

Mad,

There's some odd aspects of Christian worship.

One that I find interesting.

Jesus said,

Matthew 6:7
7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

Then Jesus went on and said to instead pray such as this and gave an example what we should say.

What he next said was what has been called The Lord's Prayer and ironically one of the most memorized verses of the Bible.

Go figure.

#56 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-09 07:10 AM | Reply

Bill,

It's why I don't wear a cross chain around my neck or any other religious talismans or amulets on my body. I don't even have any tatoos. I don't have stickers on my Ford Ranger, either. The only two religious items I have hanging in my house are a couple of brass crosses I picked up at an antique store a couple years ago. And a small carbon-chalk sketching my mother made back in 1966 of Jesus' crucifixion with the title "Mexican Cession". I still don't know what that means in that respect.

#57 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-09 12:15 PM | Reply

However, when I get a bit older, I have considered getting my name, social security number, blood type, and DNR tattooed across my left pectoral muscle.

#58 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-09 12:22 PM | Reply

If they don't close this thread I'll post a story about a cat I used to have later on.

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-04-09 03:37 PM | Reply

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