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Wednesday, April 07, 2021

White Evangelical Resistance Is Obstacle in Vaccination Effort Millions of white evangelical adults in the U.S. do not intend to get vaccinated against Covid-19. Tenets of faith and mistrust of science play a role; so does politics.

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Evangelicals are the worst of the worst.

#1 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-04-07 04:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why are evangelicals 180 degrees opposed to the teachings of Jesus?

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-04-07 07:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Way to lose any 'pro-life' arguments and prove beyond a doubt what utter hypocrites you are, white evangelicals!!

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-07 07:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Sowing what they reap, church membership is falling off a cliff:

U.S. Church Membership Falls Below Majority for First Time

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Americans' membership in houses of worship continued to decline last year, dropping below 50% for the first time in Gallup's eight-decade trend. In 2020, 47% of Americans said they belonged to a church, synagogue or mosque, down from 50% in 2018 and 70% in 1999.

news.gallup.com

#4 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-07 07:33 AM | Reply

Why are evangelicals 180 degrees opposed to the teachings of Jesus?

#2 | POSTED BY NIXON

Because they've been duped by unscrupulous people using religion as a means to gain power and wealth for themselves?

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2021-04-07 08:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why are evangelicals 180 degrees opposed to the teachings of Jesus?

#2 | POSTED BY NIXON

Because they don't follow the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus Himself talked about these people.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2021-04-07 08:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They praise God only with their lips.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2021-04-07 10:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's a cult.

#8 | Posted by bored at 2021-04-07 10:37 AM | Reply

Went into my clinic yesterday to make an appointment and showed them my twice endorsed card for coronavirus. The nurse told me she didn't want the injections anyway. I thought that was odd.

Here's a layman doing everything possible to avoid contracting the illness, while a professional nurse is throwing caution to the wind. Dumb.

#9 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-07 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I think some medical professionals have gone a bit off their rocker in order to deal with the terror of being exposed to the virus every damn day.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2021-04-07 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can't we just lock them all up in one state?
Call it............the State of Denial...

#11 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-04-07 11:53 AM | Reply

I suspected from the beginning, which was later confirmed, that Dotard's Regime was so opposed to Covid protocols because the states where it hit so hard early were blue, NY, NJ, CA. They saw it as a blue state problem and either a political opportunity to hurt Dem state governors or to punish those states for not voting for him. Dotard got so locked into fights with blue state governors that he turned Covid into a political football. Over time we have also learned that Covid disproportionately affects people of color, which I suspect is why a lot of Republicans continue to be allies of the Coronavirus, much like Reagan and the AIDS crisis, for the racist GQP and white evangenitals in this case, Covid kills more of the right people.

#12 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-04-07 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

White, Black, Brown or Yellow Evangelicals *could prolong the pandemic.
Fact.

#13 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-04-07 12:13 PM | Reply

Call it............the State of Denial...

#11 | POSTED BY EARTHMUSE

Isn't that Texas?

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-04-07 12:15 PM | Reply

#14 You're thinking of the state of insanity.

#15 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2021-04-07 12:21 PM | Reply

#12 Depends on what time frame you are referring to. In the early weeks COVID was restricted to wealthy world travelers. The middle class who had not left their locales felt safe. As it spread, killing elderly sparing youth, the millenials started calling it the "Boomer Remover" and did not alter their lifestyles. As the general population began to embrace the seriousness, several more factions did their part to help spread. Places of worship (of all genres) who believed God would protect them. Protestors who gathered in enormous groups, believing they were excused from quarantine because their causes were more important than the 500,000 people whose lives were lost to COVID. It has hit minority communities hard due to employment patterns, higher density housing, healthcare disparities and yes, behavioral choices in some cases. There is plenty of blame to go around and I think deliberate racism as a causative factor is a stretch.

If you want to throw out the claim that Republicans are allies of the Coronavirus because it "kills more of the right people", apply that same line of reasoning to Democrats and the world's leading cause of death, abortion. Is that why the Democrats are allies of abortion, because it kills more of the right people (the Black abortion rate is 4X the white abortion rate). Of course not.

#16 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-04-07 01:03 PM | Reply

Protestors who gathered in enormous groups, believing they were excused from quarantine because their causes were more important than the 500,000 people whose lives were lost to COVID.

There is zero evidence that protests over last summer drove case load increases.

Anybody who continues to spout this are being, at this point, willfully dishonest.

the world's leading cause of death, abortion.

FF!

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2021-04-07 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"There is zero evidence that protests over last summer drove case load increases."

Yeah.

only when young people are engaged in meaningless activity is the virus spread.

When they're hard at work promoting social justice, the virus steers clear.

Di you learn that in virus school?

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-07 03:07 PM | Reply

And who gives a ---- if evangelicals don't get vaccinated.

Are they somehow a threat to those who have?

Jesus...it's like some of you are going to miss having COVID to keep you up at night.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-07 03:08 PM | Reply

Yes, MadB, they are a threat to all of us by reducing herd immunity.

Think of it as carpet bombing a small village where a dirty, nightshirt-wearing ne'er do well is reported to be living and stirring up trouble. You bomb everything in sight just to kill the insurgent. Men, women, children, babies...you know like King Herod did back in the New Testament. Or as a toe-tapping Metallica song recommended, "Kill Them All".

I hope this simile accurately describes the reason for herd immunity though your thick, brainwashed skull.

#20 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-07 03:18 PM | Reply

"And who gives a ---- if evangelicals don't get vaccinated.

Are they somehow a threat to those who have?"

MadBomber,

You are steadfast in refusing to learn how herd immunity works.

Why is that?

What is it about acquirung new knowledge that offends you so?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-07 03:34 PM | Reply

Di you learn that in virus school?

#18 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

no, Johns Hopkins. use the google.
"The study found that 326 counties had 868 demonstrations and an estimated 757,077 protestors in attendance over the 22-day study period. The median initial case rate in protest counties was 3.1 per 100 people, as compared to 2.9 per 100 people in control counties. While there was a statistically significant increase in the case rate where protests occurred, this was estimated as a median of 1.4 per 100,000 people in week 1, 5.4 per 100,000 cases in week 2, and 16 per 100,000 people in week 3. Using quantile regression to assess increases by protestors rather than by area with a protest, they found that each protestor added less than 1 case per 100,000,000 people in week 1, 2, or 3, which was not significant."

ncrc.jhsph.edu

#22 | Posted by northguy3 at 2021-04-07 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"and the world's leading cause of death, abortion."

Except abortion doesn't kill people.

And if you think it does, recognize that "God" is the biggest abortionist on Earth, ending 1 out of 3 pregnancies by inflicting a miscarriage.

#23 | Posted by northguy3 at 2021-04-07 03:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

And if you think it does, recognize that "God" is the biggest abortionist on Earth, ending 1 out of 3 pregnancies by inflicting a miscarriage.
#23 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3

Difference being "god's plan" and all that jazz, from what I hear.

#24 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-04-07 03:48 PM | Reply

"and the world's leading cause of death, abortion."

Hahaha!!

Which oozing gash wrote that?

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-07 03:49 PM | Reply

Difference being "god's plan" and all that jazz, from what I hear.

Abortion wasn't "God's plan"?

I'll wait for your proof.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-07 03:50 PM | Reply

Di you learn that in virus school?

#18 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No, I learned to analyze data sets and draw conclusions on what the data says, not form a conclusion I want then look for supporting "evidence" to the point of simply making stuff up.

The data did not show surges in COVID cases in cities with large protests last summer. The cities that were concerned enough to set up testing centers for protesters found that protesters tested positive at the same rate as the general population.

Again, there is zero evidence that last summer's protests increased COVID case loads.

Now either address those two points or just stop digging.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2021-04-07 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Are they somehow a threat to those who have?
Jesus...it's like some of you are going to miss having COVID to keep you up at night.

#19 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Because the larger the population of susceptible people is the larger the chance is for development of further variants that decrease or mitigate vaccine efficacy.

Why do you bother commenting on this topic when I've yet to see you post something that's remotely informed by science?

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2021-04-07 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Because the larger the population of susceptible people"

Aren't the susceptible people getting vaccinated? In massive droves....right now?

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2021-04-07 04:55 PM | Reply

Aren't the susceptible people getting vaccinated? In massive droves....right now?

#29 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Susceptible in this case = not immune. Not susceptible to severe disease.

Essentially what I'm saying is more infected hosts = more chances for variants to arise.

So no, people not vaccinating isn't an innocent "well you're protected so why bother me" type issue.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2021-04-07 04:57 PM | Reply

I just got back from taking the dogs to the huge dog park they enjoy. A woman and I were talking about vaccines. I'm now fully vaccinated (still have a bit to go until the 2 weeks post-2nd shot) and she got her first dose a couple weeks ago.

Some moron chimed in "I ain't never taking a vaccine. Those 2nd doses are killing people!"

I pointed out that he could spread it to other people for up to 2 weeks before he even knew he was sick. And how would he feel if he killed someone because he refuses to wear a mask or get vaccinated. Of course, he denied the science of pre-symptomatic transmission and asymptomatic transmission once you have COVID, or that wearing masks helps slow the spread.

As I walked away I said, "look, man, it's attitudes like yours keeping this pandemic going strong. It's your right to be willfully ignorant, but it ISN'T your right to infect other people because you believe nonsense."

Whatta ya gonna do with these Trump morons? Lord knows where he gets his 'information' from.

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-07 05:49 PM | Reply

White, Black, Brown or Yellow Evangelicals *could prolong the pandemic.
Fact.

#13 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

But mostly white and you know it.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-04-07 09:14 PM | Reply

And who gives a ---- if evangelicals don't get vaccinated.

#19 | Posted by madbomber

People who can understand science and how herd immunity works.

Not people like you who think being stupid is just as good as being smart.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-04-07 09:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Except abortion doesn't kill people"
No point in us arguing about about whether a fetus is "people". If you like, I'll go with "abortion prevents certain people from being born" and the argument is the same. And those certain people are disproportionately Black. My point was that the argument that Republicans are racist allies with the Coronavirus because it kills more of the "right people" makesj about as much sense as saying Democrats are racist. allies with abortion because it prevents more of the "right people" from being born. Both arguments are divisive partisan nastiness.

#34 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-04-08 05:30 AM | Reply

I believe that a great deal of the partisan divide over getting vaccinated is exaggerated media myth, polarizing clickbait. You can get a telephone survey to come out any way you want. I'm in a very conservative area and everyone I know is getting vaccinated. It's a personal decision and when all is said and done its not going to split down party lines like they think.

My daughter is severely immunocompromised and takes medication that will likely nullify the vaccine. She is very vulnerable and dependent on herd immunity. I desperately want everyone to get vaccinated for her sake, but I also don't think it is ok to compel it at this point when all we have is an emergency approval based on short term trials. My daughters doctor recommended against it and is not getting herself vaccinated. She is a well respected expert (oncology) and her arguments were reasoned. She is waiting for other vaccines under development to come out. We did our own research and believe it is *probably* safe, but what if it turns out not be? We all decided to get vaccinated, including my daughter even though it probably won't be effective for her. I don't believe we can force that decision on others at this point in development.

#35 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-04-08 06:21 AM | Reply

"But mostly white and you know it.
#32 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

No I don't know it and neither do you. Stop trying to make this a race issue.

#36 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-04-08 10:22 AM | Reply

"There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages."

Richard Lederer

#37 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2021-04-08 10:37 AM | Reply

No I don't know it and neither do you. Stop trying to make this a race issue.

#36 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

It's not a race issue, it's a race, gender, and political issue because WHITE MALE REPUBLICANS are the least likely to get vaccinated.

Also the most likely to vote for trump and want him to be president again.

Stupid people do stupid things.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-04-08 11:36 AM | Reply

I believe that a great deal of the partisan divide over getting vaccinated is exaggerated media myth,

#35 | Posted by Miranda7

Yes it couldnt possibly be that your party are science denying idiot (despite decades of irrefutable evidence) it must just be a media conspiracy against them.

Just like the media put those brown stains in trump's underwear.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-04-08 11:38 AM | Reply

"There is zero evidence that protests over last summer drove case load increases."

Tell that to Herman Cain stupid. When exactly did you lose your mind? Because you are certainly nuts today. Abortion? Really? Looks like you joined the cult.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2021-04-08 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"My point was that the argument that Republicans are racist allies with the Coronavirus because it kills more of the "right people" makesj about as much sense as saying Democrats are racist. allies with abortion because it prevents more of the "right people" from being born."

We have Trump administration officials on record not wanting to help Blue states with COVID-19.

And when the eugenics movement was in full swing, there was by definition of the word eugenics a racist angle to aborting unwanted black babies. But that's not the reason Democrats are pro-choice today. Democrats are pro-choice today because they support women's liberation.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-08 02:06 PM | Reply

Are they somehow a threat to those who have?

#19 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Yes, they are.

If the virus isn't significantly defeated, it will continue to mutate. The vaccine will be ineffective on some future variant. And we get to start the whole damn thing over again.

#42 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-04-08 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

but I also don't think it is ok to compel.... ...I don't believe we can force that decision on others at this point in development.

#35 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

I haven't heard suggestion that anyone would be required to get a vaccine anywhere in the U.S., except perhaps by a few employers. So where are you getting the idea that it's even being considered?

#43 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-04-08 02:54 PM | Reply

"Yes, MadB, they are a threat to all of us by reducing herd immunity."

Hmm.

I thought the scientific community had determined that those who were vaccinated were pretty much free to safely lick doorknobs once they had been vaccinated. Is that incorrect? I thought that was the whole premise behind the concept of the COVID passport. The understanding that, once vaccinated, you're not likely to contract it in a harmful way, so you're of little threat to those that chose not to get vaccinated.

Was the scientific community wrong on this one?

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-08 02:56 PM | Reply

"Again, there is zero evidence that last summer's protests increased COVID case loads."

Just out of curiousity, is there evidence that last summers non-protest related mass congregations less to an increase in case loads?

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-08 02:57 PM | Reply

"Because the larger the population of susceptible people is the larger the chance is for development of further variants that decrease or mitigate vaccine efficacy."

What are the numbers now? 75% of the "susceptible" population is full vaccinated?

And like I said, COVID owns this planet now. I get that many people have this irrational tendency to get in their own heads when it comes to individual health, but for most people, fearing COVID is highly irrational. if you're under age 50, you're fear more likely to die of something else.

You guys seem to refuse to want to have that "come to Jesus" moment and recognize the world for what it is...still thinking you can wish it back to something it was 14 months ago.

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-08 03:01 PM | Reply

"If the virus isn't significantly defeated, it will continue to mutate. The vaccine will be ineffective on some future variant. And we get to start the whole damn thing over again."

Dude, the virus isn't going anywhere. And it will continue to mutate. Just like the Spanish Flu variants continued to mutate.

The virus is as much a part of this world as we are. It's time for you to reconcile that fact.

#47 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-08 03:05 PM | Reply

And like I said, COVID owns this planet now.

#46 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Really? Does Polio still own the planet?

#48 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-04-08 03:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Really? Does Polio still own the planet?

#48 | Posted by Whatsleft

Or smallpox, or measles, or yellow fever, or any of the other number of things many of us have been vaccinated against.

#49 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-08 03:27 PM | Reply

"Really? Does Polio still own the planet?"

It still exists.

Listen...I'm not here to argue with you.

The level of risk you're willing to assume as a result of interacting with other humans is a decision you have to make on your own.

But don't expect others to do something they don't want to do in order to make you feel safer. If you're scared of COVID, or Ebola, or Measles, or Polio, or whatever...it's easy for you to create a life where you are isolated from other humans.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-08 03:33 PM | Reply

it's easy for you to create a life where you are isolated from other humans.

#50 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No. Actually, it's not.

#51 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-04-08 03:36 PM | Reply

#51

It totally is?

Jeez, there are plenty of reality TV shows about people who relocate to remote part of the world...because they don't want to be around other humans.

Hell, you could might even be the next reality TV star...like Trump.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-08 03:47 PM | Reply

I'm an introvert, and I have to admit that I quite enjoy the Covid world we live in.

I don't have to shake hands, you don't stand/sit so close to me, no large group activities to drain my energy... an introverts paradise.

Since I'm being candid, when the first widespread lockdowns were starting and everyone was scared, I kept driving my 'essential service' butt across town to the jobsite. I remember traffic everywhere was a trickle compared to normal. By the 3rd day I had thought, 'If 2/3 of humanity got wiped out by this then this is what life could be. I like it!'

www.youtube.com

#53 | Posted by LiquidCake at 2021-04-08 06:22 PM | Reply

Two words, Vaccine Passports. If you want to go to a sporting event, a dine-in restaurant, a movie theater, a massage, your chiropractor, a cruise, an board an airplane, an UBER ride, your gym, you present your Vaccine Passport. The GQP is so big on showing ID to vote, this is far MORE important, this is LIFE ID as the TrumpVirus has killed over half a million Americans, far more than voter fraud has ever killed. It's not a government thing, it's a private enterprise thing. Private businesses would be limiting their liability that your unvaccinated ass is going to get other people, in particular their staff, sick and force them to shut down and maybe get sued. If we require Vaccine Passports for people to take part in normal life again, guess what, less vaccine hesitancy. Parents have to show that their kids have been vaccinated to send them to school, you have to show proof of vaccination to travel to certain countries, Vaccine Passports are the way to go! Somebody could design an app, and it would be right there on your phone, and could be updated when you get your booster shot.

#54 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-04-08 07:23 PM | Reply

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