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Saturday, April 10, 2021

Nearly 40% of US Marines are declining Covid-19 vaccinations, according to data provided to CNN on Friday by the service, the first branch to disclose service-wide numbers on acceptance and declination.

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I wasn't aware Marines could refuse to get vaccinated when Uncle Sam says it's time to roll up your sleeve.

This should be a career ending move. Of the "other than honorable" variety.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-10 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's only voluntary as long as it's approved via FDA EUA, when Pfizer and Moderna get regular approval status, it'll shift to a full mandatory medical readiness requirement.

But opt-outs do have to sign a paper of them opting out... so they're tracked.

#2 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-04-10 03:32 PM | Reply

New flash - people who join the army dont usually have a lot of options.

In related news, people without a lot of options usually aren't very smart.

In our final story of the night, stupid people don't trust vaccines.

#3 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-04-10 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

It's not just the Marine Corp:

Many long-term care staffers refused the vaccine. Now they have more infections than residents.

www.sun-sentinel.com

Granted, this was only a report covering Florida, but my Doctor friend up in Washington state says the hospital where he's at still have got about 40% of their staff that refuses to be vaccinated.

OCU

#4 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-04-10 04:58 PM | Reply

I understand approximately 30% of New Mexico has been fully vaccinated.

It'll be interesting to compare and contrast their infection rates with those of Utah which is right next door and has one of the lowest vaccine rates in the country.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2021-04-10 05:01 PM | Reply

They shouldn't have an option.

It's part of unit readiness.

As I recall once you sign on the dotted line your body is government property and belongs to Uncle Sam. They can only refuse if they are being "allowed" to refuse.

Joe should fix that.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-04-10 05:14 PM | Reply

CAPT Crozier anyone?

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-10 05:16 PM | Reply

Interesting. When I was in the Marines, in the last (Vietnam) century, we were lined up and given shots in both arms. I am pretty sure we were never even told what the hell went in. They used some kind of air drill needle, as I remember.
I just trusted that they knew what they were doing. After Vietnam, I wouldn't blindly trust anyone with a needle. I did just get the Moderna second shot, but I did research that and yeah, for two days I had a 101 temp and a pretty uncomfortable case of the shivers.

#8 | Posted by hughmass at 2021-04-10 05:18 PM | Reply

I got my second Pfizer shot two days ago, and so far it's been the same as the first; a little tender around the shot area, that's all.

I didn't know that current Marines were such p.....s.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2021-04-10 05:47 PM | Reply

Over the last seven days, New Mexico has had an infection rate of of 62.1 new cases per 100K population. Utah has had 86.7 cases were 100K population. For reference, California has had 44.3 new cases per 100K but Michigan is at 506.5, and for the country as a whole, that number is 135.8 cases per 100K population over the last seven days.

For the source of this data:

covid.cdc.gov

OCU

#10 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-04-10 06:00 PM | Reply

#1 f'in A. i got busted not taking a flu vax, once -- in Norfolk, VA.

#11 | Posted by ichiro at 2021-04-10 06:02 PM | Reply

I wasn't aware Marines could refuse to get vaccinated when Uncle Sam says it's time to roll up your sleeve.
This should be a career ending move. Of the "other than honorable" variety.

#1 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-04-10 02:33 PM | REPLY |

I wasn't aware that anyone could be forced to take a vaccine that isn't FDA approved. This vaccine has simply been blessed as an emergency remedy.

Also there's been multiple sites that have halted giving the vaccine due to adverse effects at the time of the jab.

Say what you want, some people can think for themselves.

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-04-10 06:35 PM | Reply

#11, flu vaccines are FDA approved and are not considered experimental.

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-10 06:38 PM | Reply

It must be the new Marine Corps. When I was in, you were government property. I did three WESTPAC's on the USS Midway. Each time I was given a myriad of shots for everything possible. Declining a shot wasn't an option.

#14 | Posted by willowby at 2021-04-10 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BTW, this jar head got his second Pfizer shot Thursday. They're making the Corps look bad. We should be leading.

#15 | Posted by willowby at 2021-04-10 06:41 PM | Reply

"Say what you want, some people can think for themselves."

The sad thing is these dumb ----- are actually helping the anti-vax movement by conflating these "emergency drugs" with vaccines that have been in use for decades.

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-10 06:43 PM | Reply

The sad thing is these dumb ----- are actually helping the anti-vax movement by conflating these "emergency drugs" with vaccines that have been in use for decades.

You should definitely not risk taking the vaccine.

Also. Be sure to go hang out in public.

Darwin has awards waiting all you know it all's.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-10 06:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Clownshart clearly has a lot of advice to give about bug chasing.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-10 07:17 PM | Reply

Clownshart clearly has a lot of advice to give about bug chasing.
#18 | POSTED BY SWASTIKA_ANTIVAX_BOY

Please. Tell us more about this topic you introduced.

Was it fresh on your mind?

Are you a fetishist?

No wonder you're an anti vaxxer.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-10 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

^ Triggered.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-10 07:42 PM | Reply

Weeding out extremists? Start with looking at the 40%.

As Snoofy said I wasn't aware it was an option to say "no thank you". Looking back to the original invasion of Iraq, everyone involved recieved all sorts of inoculations - many experimental.

#21 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-04-10 07:50 PM | Reply

#17 | Posted by ClownShack

You should definitely risk death and severe side effects of the infection rather than receiving an inoculation of which many millions have already received. So far the odds are extremely in favor of those receiving a vaccine to those who didn't.

#22 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-04-10 07:53 PM | Reply

#20 | POSTED BY SWASTIKA_ANTIVAX_BOY

No response as to why you suddenly brought up "bug chasers"?

Slip of the fingers?

You weirdo.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-10 07:55 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

You must be missing the sarcasm in my post.

Or did you miss #12, 13 and 16 questioning the validity of the vaccines?

(To which I suggested they shouldn't get it. So Darwin could reward them...)

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-10 07:59 PM | Reply

New flash - people who join the army dont usually have a lot of options.
In related news, people without a lot of options usually aren't very smart.
In our final story of the night, stupid people don't trust vaccines.
#3 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-04-10 04:51 PM

Maybe it's trending that way now, but before our excellent adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, the men and women joining up were trying to get help with college. Some were orphans, some were from one parent families, some were from families where one or both parents had massive health problems and on disability and couldn't afford to send their kids to college except for some toothpaste, ---- paper, and a 20-pack of Marachuan Ramen. Out of the 10,000 cities and town in the US, a great many of the recruits come from one-horse towns with no opportunity for employment or college. My dad was disabed from a massive stroke at 50 and couldn't work. My mother tried her best to keep the family together. I realized by my 17th birthday I needed to get my ---- together if I wanted to go to college. I'd made it a priority to become a professional chemist and work for a drug company. My parents had to sign a waiver for me to enlist on my 17th birthday. I got to train for a year during my senior year in high school and went in a PFC (E-3_I made more in one weekend drilling than I did with the three after school jobs put together.

Thank your lucky stars you aren't susceptible to conscription any more and that you came from a good family. It shows because you usually come up with the most intelligent retorts no matter what the subject matter. That stuff doesn't come naturally, you have to learn it from good mentors.

#25 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-10 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

BTW, this jar head got his second Pfizer shot Thursday. They're making the Corps look bad. We should be leading.

#15 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY AT 2021-04-10 06:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Potato peeler right there

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-04-10 08:20 PM | Reply

Maybe this is the USMCs kindler, gentler machine-gun hand in action.

#27 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-10 08:22 PM | Reply

Are you a fetishist?
No wonder you're an anti vaxxer.

#19 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-04-10 07:35 PM | REPLY |

^ Triggered.
Possibly a stalker.
Beware.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-04-10 08:23 PM | Reply

^ Triggered.
#20 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You sure do like to use that word a lot. Is it, perchance, because it rhymes with ******?

#29 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-10 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As Snoofy said I wasn't aware it was an option to say "no thank you". Looking back to the original invasion of Iraq, everyone involved recieved all sorts of inoculations - many experimental.

#21 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2021-04-10 07:50 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Dude, it's not even approved by the Food and Drug Admin. This is experimental ----. How does it feel to be a lab rat? And if ---- goes awry, guess whos on the hook? You and me, because the drug companies sure as hell aren't. Keep swallowing the ----.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-04-10 08:26 PM | Reply

^ Triggered.
Possibly a stalker.
Beware.
#28 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Ahh, another rehashed poster attracted to the word Triggered.

I'm starting to see a pattern here.

#31 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-10 08:27 PM | Reply

New flash - people who join the army dont usually have a lot of options.
In related news, people without a lot of options usually aren't very smart.
In our final story of the night, stupid people don't trust vaccines.
#3 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-04-10 04:51 PM

Stupid statement.

Our military are led by the brightest minds in the world. Don't like it? Leave, and hope you don't fall into a country they are about to annihilate. Every job function comes with a test that proves one can perform the task. Thank your government for that. Saying people are stupid for refusing the COVID vaccination is like saying black people should trust doctors in the 1970's.

#32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-04-10 08:32 PM | Reply

Ahh, another rehashed poster attracted to the word Triggered.
I'm starting to see a pattern here.

#31 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST AT 2021-04-10 08:27 PM

Pretty much a universal term. MADtriggeredscientist.

#33 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-04-10 08:33 PM | Reply

because it rhymes with ******?

He does love swastikas and Trump.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-10 08:34 PM | Reply

Keep swallowing the ----.
#30 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I'm pretty sure the antibodies aren't contained within -----.

#35 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-10 08:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm starting to see a pattern here.

#31 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST AT 2021-04-10 08:27 PM

^ got their primary education from Sesame Street.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-04-10 08:35 PM | Reply

Be careful, Bellringer, Mr Hyde keeps telling me he wants to come out and play.

#37 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-10 08:35 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure the antibodies aren't contained within -----.

#35 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST AT 2021-04-10 08:34 PM | REPLY

I never said anything about ----- - you got something you need to talk about?

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-04-10 08:36 PM | Reply

"Triggered" seems to be Trumper talk for, "I got nothing."

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-10 08:37 PM | Reply

Be careful, Bellringer, Mr Hyde keeps telling me he wants to come out and play.

#37 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST AT 2021-04-10 08:35 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Awe, we got a special one. Bring Mr. Hyde out, I have something for him.

#40 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-04-10 08:37 PM | Reply

Nothing wrong with Sesame Street. Used to watch it on KCOP channel 13 in Los Angeles as a wee bairn. Plus, I was the only kid who could count to 10 in Spanish in Kindergarten.

#41 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-10 08:37 PM | Reply

I never said anything about -----
#38 | POSTED BY QUASIMODO

Keep swallowing the ----.
#30 | POSTED BY QUASIMODO

This is too easy.

Back to you tower. Ugly.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-10 08:39 PM | Reply

"Triggered" seems to be Trumper talk for, "I got nothing."
#39 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-04-10 08:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG

And your replies PROVE that you have absolutely nothing. Drop your soiled depends in the hamper on your way out.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-04-10 08:39 PM | Reply

Nothing wrong with Sesame Street.

I love Sesame Street.

Great show.

Only a complete psychopath would find something to not like.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-10 08:40 PM | Reply

This is too easy.
Back to you tower. Ugly.

#42 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-04-10 08:39 PM

Seriously? That's what you got? LMAO

#45 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-04-10 08:41 PM | Reply

Drop your soiled depends in the hamper on your way out.
#43 | POSTED BY QUASIMODO

You put your used depends in the hamper?

Why?

Who would ever post something so stupid.

Oh yea. You.

Like I said. Back to your tower, ugly.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-10 08:42 PM | Reply

I never said anything about -----
#38 | POSTED BY QUASIMODO

Keep swallowing the ----.
#30 | POSTED BY QUASIMODO

Trumpers being trumpers.

So busy lying.

Can't even remember what they're posting.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-10 08:43 PM | Reply

40% susceptible to an ongoing pandemic is a serious national security issue.

#48 | Posted by TenMile at 2021-04-10 08:45 PM | Reply

Awe, we got a special one. Bring Mr. Hyde out, I have something for him.
#40 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Sorry, but I don't engage in buttplay. You dirty-minded bastard. But, my wife has a rather large ------- I bet she'd love to use on your dirty, hemorrhoid-infected ass.

#49 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-10 08:49 PM | Reply

#26

When I had my turn on mess duty, we had an automatic potato peeler.

#50 | Posted by willowby at 2021-04-10 08:57 PM | Reply

- we had an automatic potato peeler.

Ah so... Belldinger was there.

The Covid vaccines are FDA-approved for Emergency Use... of course, a 15 percent increase in deaths caused by the virus pandemic don't constitute an emergency to some dingbells.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2021-04-10 09:12 PM | Reply

BTW, this jar head got his second Pfizer shot Thursday. They're making the Corps look bad. We should be leading.
#15 | POSTED BYWILLOWBY

I agree 100%.

I haven't met too many dumb Marines in my life.

There is some selection bias, and the Marines I worked with were working in a professional office setting.

But 40%?

Come on.

That is practically begging China to weaponize the virus, no?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-10 09:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"No response as to why you suddenly brought up "bug chasers"?

What is there to respond to? You advocated going out and getting infected, and now you're pretending you're too stupid to see the connection.

"Are you a fetishist?"

Again, you're the only one who described it in these terms. Another topic you've introduced and ascribed to other posters.

#53 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-10 09:27 PM | Reply

< /i >

#54 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-10 09:28 PM | Reply

#52

I was with a photo recon squadron out of El Toro in avionics, VMFP-3. You can't afford to have dumb people responsible for aircraft maintenance.

#55 | Posted by willowby at 2021-04-10 09:29 PM | Reply

I just got back from the supermarket. 30 people without masks who passed right by the big sign on their way in that read "MASKS REQUIRED" Then, at checkouts, they weren't maintaining 6' distance.

Store manager said he got the word from district headquarters not to enforce it.

Masks SAVE LIVES. F*** people who refuse to wear them and think they're making some kind of a statement. The statement they're actually making is, "I don't give a f*** about anyone."

#56 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-10 09:32 PM | Reply

#56

They're d-bags. I got my second shot and still plan on wearing my mask.

#57 | Posted by willowby at 2021-04-10 09:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can we all at least agree that anti-maskers pose a bigger public health threat than anti-vaxxers right now?

#58 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-10 09:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I love Sesame Street.
Great show.
Only a complete psychopath would find something to not like."

#44 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-04-10 08:40 PM | FLAG: watches it for the kids

#59 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-10 10:02 PM | Reply

Can we all at least agree that anti-maskers pose a bigger public health threat than anti-vaxxers right now?

#58 | Posted by sentinel

It's an equal threat.

We had over 80,000 new cases and 1000 deaths yesterday. Numbers are increasing, not decreasing. We're above numbers from last summer's COVID surge. This pandemic will not end until everyone wears a mask and gets vaccinated.

People who won't should have tee shirts made that say, "I don't care about anyone. Not even myself!"

#60 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-10 10:26 PM | Reply

People who won't should have tee shirts made that say, "I don't care about anyone. Not even myself!"

And be forced to wear them! Tattoo it on their forehead after their 3rd violation for not wearing a mask inside!

#61 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-10 10:27 PM | Reply

Can we all at least agree that anti-maskers pose a bigger public health threat than anti-vaxxers right now?

#58 | Posted by sentinel

New variants are on the rise. New variants will soon appear vaccines won't touch. All thanks to anti-mask, anti-vax, selfish morons.

#62 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-10 10:30 PM | Reply

"People who won't should have tee shirts made that say, "I don't care about anyone. Not even myself!"

That won't work. Whatever the current generation's equivalent of goth kids are will wear them as a fashion statement.

"Tattoo it on their forehead "

The goths/TikTokers would probably willingly do that too.

#63 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-10 10:37 PM | Reply

That won't work. Whatever the current generation's equivalent of goth kids are will wear them as a fashion statement.

90% of the anti-mask idiots I saw in the store today were at least in their 40's.

#64 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-10 10:44 PM | Reply

Masks provide a great poker face, and provide an extra point of difficulty for video surveillance to remain anonymous amid the surveillance state. Side effect of promoting beneficial community health practices is also an added positive.

#65 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-04-10 11:20 PM | Reply

Has Willowby come to Jesus?

Thank you for your service and using some common sense.

Now maybe give Joe a chance?

#66 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-04-11 12:14 AM | Reply

You advocated going out and getting infected, and now you're pretending you're too stupid to see the connection.

You're the one questioning the effectiveness of the vaccine.

Then you bring up chasing bugs.

You're a sicko fetishist.

"Are you a fetishist?"

Again, you're the only one who described it in these terms. Another topic you've introduced and ascribed to other posters.
#53 | POSTED BY Swastika_AntiVaxx_Boy

All you got are lies.

Can we all at least agree that anti-maskers pose a bigger public health threat than anti-vaxxers right now?
#58 | Posted by Swastika_AntiVaxx_Boy

More anti vaccine talk.

You sure have a pattern to your posts.

Trying to justify not getting the vaccine anyway you can.

#67 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-11 12:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

watches it for the kids
#59 | POSTED BY Swastika_AntiVax_Boy

Projection at its finest.

Learning a lot about you on this thread.

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-11 12:21 AM | Reply

"Sorry, but I don't engage in buttplay. You dirty-minded bastard. But, my wife has a rather large -------
#49 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST"

Why would she have a ------- if you don't do butt play? You are into getting cucked by the mailman or something?

#69 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-11 03:18 AM | Reply

"You're the one questioning the effectiveness of the vaccine."

I've said nothing about the effectiveness of "the vaccine". But questioning the effectiveness or safety of a particular vaccine that was rushed to market does not make one an anti-vaxxer. You're an idiot for lumping everyone together.

"Trying to justify not getting the vaccine anyway you can."

You don't even know whether I've gotten the vaccine or not. Idiot.

#70 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-11 06:36 AM | Reply

"It must be the new Marine Corps. When I was in, you were government property. I did three WESTPAC's on the USS Midway. Each time I was given a myriad of shots for everything possible. Declining a shot wasn't an option."

It's not new.

Unless they were injecting you with experimental medical treatments that had yet to be properly vetted and authorized.

Once they are properly vetted and authorized, Service Members will have less of a choice in whether or not they can opt out.

And if you're a Marine, you're not really at risk. The service has seen around 20k cases, several hundred hospitalizations, and zero deaths. There's probably not a lot of incentive for them to take an experimental vaccine for something that doesn't pose much of a threat.

#71 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-11 09:04 AM | Reply

Dude, it's not even approved by the Food and Drug Admin. This is experimental ----. How does it feel to be a lab rat? And if ---- goes awry, guess whos on the hook? You and me, because the drug companies sure as hell aren't. Keep swallowing the ----.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger

And neither were/are most of the vaccines received by our troops prior to Operation Desert Shield... Most were purely experimental. They were not even telling them what they were getting.

#72 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-04-11 10:53 AM | Reply

They were also expecting to be bombarded with chemical weapons. This isn't quite the same circumstance.

#73 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-04-11 11:23 AM | Reply

There's probably not a lot of incentive for them to take an experimental vaccine for something that doesn't pose much of a threat. #71 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

And if you're a shtbag there is even less incentive to receive it: get Covid and you get almost two weeks off work, the vax prevents you from getting Covid and decreases downtime of quarantine if you're exposed.

Only a matter of time before the FDA fully okay's it.

#74 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-04-11 12:01 PM | Reply

"an experimental vaccine for something that doesn't pose much of a threat."

You must've missed the report 1/3rd of Covid survivors have psychological or neurological disorders. From CNN:
As many as one in three people infected with Covid-19 have longer term mental health or neurological symptoms, researchers reported Tuesday. They found 34% of Covid-19 survivors received a diagnosis for a neurological or psychological condition within six months of their infection, according to the study published Tuesday in the journal Lancet Psychiatry.

That "WHOOSH" sound you just heard was all your talking points flying out the window.

#75 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-11 12:05 PM | Reply

Did they study those people to make sure they were nuts before Covid? Doesn't seem likely.

#76 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-04-11 12:06 PM | Reply

"...an experimental vaccine..."

My SIL is a newly-retired pathologist. My brother, a retired doctor and former Apollo scientist. They'd laugh at your conclusion. To them, this is the brilliant intersection of gene-sequencing, research, and advance computer modeling. She was not only first in line for the vaccine, she volunteered to participate in the Moderna trial. And my brother, a dyed-in-the-wool Republican, wouldn't take an "experimental" vaccine if his life depended on it.

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-11 12:15 PM | Reply

"Did they study those people to make sure they were nuts before Covid? Doesn't seem likely."

Did these folks seek medical help for these symptoms before Covid? Doesn't seem likely.

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-11 12:16 PM | Reply

"And if you're a Marine, you're not really at risk."

Risk of what?

They're certainly at risk of contracting the disease and spreading it.

That's the risk we're trying to eliminate.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-11 01:52 PM | Reply

"You must've missed the report 1/3rd of Covid survivors have psychological or neurological disorders. From CNN:"

So...speaking for myself, my family, and pretty much everyone I know...COVID was something that they went home and coughed off for a couple of days. Maybe they twitched for a month or so after as well. The bottom line is that when these Marines are conducting their own individual risk calculus, which they are infinitely better at than you are, many determine that there's not a pressing need to get the vaccine. And I 100% agree with them.

I think I am going to get it this week...but for me it's different. I live in a virtual prison at the moment. The COVID vaccine appears to be the key to unlock it.

#80 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-11 02:02 PM | Reply

"My SIL is a newly-retired pathologist. My brother, a retired doctor and former Apollo scientist. They'd laugh at your conclusion."

Cool. They can laugh at whatever they want to laugh at.

It doesn't change a bit the fact that the drug is not FDA approved, and as such the DoD has no right to order Service Members to take it. Period.

And let's be honest, what I do hear a lot about are the long-term effects of getting the COVID vaccine, not to mention the immediate effects, where for many are worse than the disease itself.

#81 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-11 02:04 PM | Reply

"That's the risk we're trying to eliminate."

Why?

You spread it to other Marines who will go home and cough it off?

I think GONOLES92 comes closest to nailing it in regards to lost man days due to quarantine...but you're not going to lose Marines from COVID.

But in the end, there is nothing the USMC can do about that. If they choose not to take the vaccine, that's their right. It would be nice if commanders had the ability to incentivize getting the vaccine, eliminating mask mandates in meetings and offices-that sort of thing-but SECDEF ordered that masks will be worn within all DoD facilities. I think that policy may be with us for years.

#82 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-11 02:08 PM | Reply

"not to mention the immediate effects, where for many are worse than the disease itself."

Oh, FFS, you did NOT actually write that, did you? You're comparing a robust immune response with possible long-haul symptoms?!? WTF?

"what I do hear a lot about are the long-term effects of getting the COVID vaccine"

Again: WTF are you talking about? What studies have shown "long-term effects" from getting the C19 vaccine? Link, please.

#83 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-11 02:10 PM | Reply

I've said nothing about the effectiveness of "the vaccine". But questioning the effectiveness or safety of a particular vaccine that was rushed to market does not make one an anti-vaxxer. You're an idiot for lumping everyone together.
#70 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You contradict yourself in the first two sentences.

Sentence #1: "I've said nothing about the effectiveness of "the vaccine."

Sentence #2: "But questioning the effectiveness or safety of a particular vaccine that was rushed to market."

You're literally questioning the effectiveness (and safety) of the vaccine (that was rushed to the market).

That does make you an antivaxxer.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-11 03:23 PM | Reply

FFS, you did NOT actually write that, did you?

He's an idiot and a troll.

You give his too much credit if you expected anything more from him.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-11 03:24 PM | Reply

We rid the world of polio and smallpox ...

with vaccines.

Naysayers said the same things we're hearing now from the right wing.

They were wrong. The results are obvious.

#86 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-11 03:31 PM | Reply

"You spread it to other Marines who will go home and cough it off?"

Right, that's exactly what we're trying to avoid.

The whole idea is to stop the spread.

Same with HIV, polio, smallpox, flu, etc.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-11 03:40 PM | Reply

The whole idea is to stop the spread.

Not for Trumpers.

Their whole idea is it's all a hoax.

Which. Is exactly who you're debating.

A hardcore Trumper. Through and through.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-11 04:05 PM | Reply

It must be the new Marine Corps. When I was in, you were government property. I did three WESTPAC's on the USS Midway. Each time I was given a myriad of shots for everything possible. Declining a shot wasn't an option.

#14 | Posted by willowby

It's puzzling why the military doesn't require this vaccination for active duty troops. I did USO tours. We were required to get multiple vaccinations. Three rounds of several shots each.

#89 | Posted by americanunity at 2021-04-11 04:09 PM | Reply

"Sorry, but I don't engage in butt-play. You dirty-minded bastard. But, my wife has a rather large ------- I bet she'd love to use on your dirty, hemorrhoid-infected ass.
#49 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST"

Why would she have a ------- if you don't do butt play? You are into getting cucked by the mailman or something?
#69 | POSTED BY FAMILY_VALUES AT 2021-04-11 03:18 AM

Forty pound test line, holmes: you got hooked. I'll let the line out a little since you seem to have a little fight left in you. Let's see what you'll do.

#90 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-11 07:02 PM | Reply

"Again: WTF are you talking about? What studies have shown "long-term effects" from getting the C19 vaccine? Link, please."

You're not aware of these? Intermittent body aches and fevers for weeks following the vaccine? I personally know more people who went to the ER as a result of the side-effects of the vaccine than I know who went to the ER for COVID.

So here is what I can tell you. When I go into my office, I don't hear people complaining about what COVID did to them. I hear them complaining about the effects of the vaccine. And if you're young and healthy and looking at your peers, and listening to your peers, that is going to be a deterrent to getting the vaccine.

I know this thing scares you, but for the vast majority of people, including most Marines, the biggest threat from COVID is from people like you who equate this thing to some sort of modern day black plague.

#91 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-12 02:09 AM | Reply

"The whole idea is to stop the spread."

Why?

The old and the sick are mostly vaccinated, and exposure is just another way to move towards herd immunity.

Marines were some of the first military members to be offered the opportunity to participate in COVID vaccine studies early on. And it literally makes sense if you look at that demographic. The odds of one of them dying of COVID is infinitely less than dying as a result of some other military activity.

#92 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-12 02:13 AM | Reply

"It's puzzling why the military doesn't require this vaccination for active duty troops."

They can't. It's still a non-approved, experimental treatment. Throughout modern history, unethical medical experimentation has been frowned upon, regardless of who the victim was. And it's poor optics when you're telling military members who are at little risk from the condition in question that they must take an experimental treatment.

That will change if/when the FDA approves the different vaccines. Then they will be obligated to take the vaccine whether they want to or not.

#93 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-12 02:19 AM | Reply

"Did they study those people to make sure they were nuts before Covid? Doesn't seem likely.
#76 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG"

Well, 1/3 of people are also liberals so yeah, I think mental health issues predated COVID.

#94 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-12 04:16 AM | Reply

""It's puzzling why the military doesn't require this vaccination for active duty troops."
They can't. It's still a non-approved, experimental treatment.
#93 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER ""

I would say giving 100% of your active duty troops a vaccine with unknown issues to be moronic. They are also the group of people (young, fit) least likely to have severe COVID reactions.

#95 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-12 04:19 AM | Reply

" You're literally questioning the effectiveness (and safety) of the vaccine (that was rushed to the market)."

You're literally an idiot and a troll. There's no point in trying to explain nuance to you. So go ahead and keep slandering me with the anti-vaccine lie, and I'll henceforth refer to you as "bug chaser".

#96 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-12 04:36 AM | Reply

You're not aware of these? Intermittent body aches and fevers for weeks following the vaccine? I personally know more people who went to the ER as a result of the side-effects of the vaccine than I know who went to the ER for COVID.

What specific vaccine are you talking about? Millions have been vaccinated in the U.S. with very few cases of acute side effects. Most of them attributed to other causes that would have happened anyway.

My wife and I have both had both doses of Pfizer without a single side effect, like millions of others.

Have you read they're finding that COVID can not only leave organ or vascular damage, but also psychological effects in 1/3 of the 250,000 patients they followed post-infection?

Man, I didn't know today's military had so many woosies. Sad.

#97 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-12 04:40 AM | Reply

I'll henceforth refer to you as "bug chaser".

#96 | POSTED BY ANTIVAX_SWASTIKA_BOY

Call me whatever you want.

You've literally throwing doubt to the effectiveness of the vaccine.

All thread.


"flu vaccines are FDA approved and are not considered experimental.
#13"

"The sad thing is these dumb ----- are actually helping the anti-vax movement by conflating these "emergency drugs" with vaccines that have been in use for decades.
#16 | POSTED BY ANTIVAX_SWASTIKA_BOY"

"Can we all at least agree that anti-maskers pose a bigger public health threat than anti-vaxxers right now?
#58 | POSTED BY ANTIVAX_SWASTIKA_BOY"

I've said nothing about the effectiveness of "the vaccine". But questioning the effectiveness or safety of a particular vaccine that was rushed to market does not make one an anti-vaxxer. You're an idiot for lumping everyone together.
#70 | POSTED BY ANTIVAX_SWASTIKA_BOY"


You keep referring to it as an experimental emergency drug, throwing doubt to its safety and effectiveness.

If I were an antivaxxer. I'd imply this vaccine is an experimental "emergency drug" - not to be conflated with vaccines that have been around for decades - and that I question the effectiveness of a particular vaccine that was rushed to the market.

Just like you have. All thread.

#98 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-12 05:01 AM | Reply

In fact, HUNDREDS of millions of doses have been administered in the U.S. Severe reactions to COVID vaccines are extremely rare. Some report chills and fever after 2nd dose, but those effects pass within a couple of days and do not require hospitalization.

One wouldn't think dudes in the military would be afraid of a vaccine tens of millions of elderly people have already received.

Most people that have a severe reaction to a drug or vaccine experience it because they're allergic to the preservative. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do not have a preservative, which is why they're stored in sub-zero temperatures until they're thawed and administered the same day.

Y'all in the military have been vaccinated more than anyone in the U.S. When I did USO shows, I went through 3 rounds of a few vaccines each time without issue.

#99 | Posted by americanunity at 2021-04-12 05:05 AM | Reply

BTW, the polio vaccine only went through a year of clinical trials.

It rid the U.S. of polio.

#100 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-12 05:06 AM | Reply

BTW, the polio vaccine only went through a year of clinical trials.

On 2 million children ...

#101 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-12 05:18 AM | Reply

"BTW, the polio vaccine only went through a year of clinical trials.
On 2 million children ...
#101 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

And some claim a contaminated batch is what led to the outbreak of HIV in the Belgian Congo.

#102 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-12 06:11 AM | Reply

#98 | POSTED BY BUG_CHASER

Derp.

#103 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-12 08:38 AM | Reply

And some claim a contaminated batch is what led to the outbreak of HIV in the Belgian Congo.
#102 | POSTED BY FAMILY_VALUES

Are they right, or are you just spreading disinformation?

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-12 10:47 AM | Reply

Are they right, or are you just spreading disinformation?

Debunked: The Polio Vaccine and HIV Link

www.historyofvaccines.org

#105 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-04-12 10:53 AM | Reply

flu vaccines are FDA approved and are not considered experimental.
#13"

The question you should be asking is WHY?

Why hasn't the FDA approved by of the covid vaccines.

"After the clinical trials are finished, the difference between the Emergency Use Authorization and full licensure, for the public's information or knowledge, is basically the duration of follow-up or safety, not efficacy," Dr. Monto said. "Efficacy requirements are the same."

"For the EUA, it's an average of two months, but for a license, six months are required, Dr. Monto explained."

www.wusa9.com

It's been six months. The FDA should approve of at least two of them and end this foolish controversy.

#106 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-04-12 11:17 AM | Reply

And some Russian bots claim a contaminated batch is what led to the outbreak of HIV in the Belgian Congo.

#102 | POSTED BY FAMILY_VALUES (And fixed by donnerboy.)

#107 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-04-12 11:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Derp.
#103 | POSTED BY ANTIVAX_SWASTIKA_BOY

Probably the smartest thing you've ever posted.

#108 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-12 02:05 PM | Reply

In my life both as a civilian and a soldier I have met many men and women from different branches and I can say without a doubt that the jarheads are the dummest of them all and easily susceptible to brainwashing which seems to be the case here. As we see here with this vaccine topic they still believe that Mother effing ex POTUS, whose name shall not be mentioned over science. They will find out the hard way to do the right thing and they 'will' take a shot...they will get order to take the vaccine eventually and if not they will be cast out of their precious corps.

#109 | Posted by tknees at 2021-04-12 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, the other branches of the military aren't quite so stubborn?

why marines?

Why would the marines care about Trump?

#110 | Posted by eberly at 2021-04-12 02:12 PM | Reply

And some claim a contaminated batch is what led to the outbreak of HIV in the Belgian Congo.

#102 | Posted by Family_values

SOME CLAIM the moon is made of cheese.

Repub party thinks SOME THINK or SOME CLAIM is good enough to base policy around.

Just like they lied half the nation into thinking the election was stolen, now they need to restrict voting because SOME THINK the election was stolen.

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-04-12 02:13 PM | Reply

"One wouldn't think dudes in the military would be afraid of a vaccine tens of millions of elderly people have already received."

I don't think it's fear. But why take something that is going to make you feel like ---- for a few days when you don't have to, and don't really need to?

What's the point?

The only reason I'm going to take the goddamn thing is because it simplifies my travel schedule. I'm more worried about getting hurt on my morning commute than I am of COVID. They can inject me with sugar water for all I care...provided it makes my life easier. That's the real benefit.

But if you live in the states where there are less restrictions than here in Europe, there is less incentive to get a vaccine. It simply doesn't do much for a whole lotta people.

#112 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-12 03:01 PM | Reply

"Have you read they're finding that COVID can not only leave organ or vascular damage, but also psychological effects in 1/3 of the 250,000 patients they followed post-infection?"

Not yet, but right now a "long-term" effect from the vaccine is only going to be several months. And that's common. You and I both know people who were still having strange symptoms a month after the vaccine.

Let's wait and see what the world looks like a year from now, because remember, in April of 2020, "long COVID" was yet to come into existence.

#113 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-12 03:03 PM | Reply

I don't think it's fear. But why take something that is going to make you feel like ---- for a few days when you don't have to, and don't really need to?

What's the point?

#112 | Posted by madbomber

Well do you enjoy wearing masks and not having public events? Your cult always whines about that the most, but you're too stupid to take the solution when it's offered to you.

If everyone thinks like that, the virus will never be defeated.

White republican men are the most dangerous people on the planet, purely because of their stupidity and passionate commitment to doing whatever the stupidest option is.

But you're right - if you've really enjoyed the past year, then you and no one else really needs to get the vaccine. But then you'd also be a stupid sociopath...

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-04-12 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But why take something that is going to make you feel like ---- for a few days when you don't have to, and don't really need to?
What's the point?
#112 | Posted by QAnonTrumper

Why take any vaccines?

Or medications?

Or go see a doctor?

You are a Trumper, your opinions are better than the entire healthcare and scientific community.

Drink some Hydroxychloroquine and shoot yourself with some bleach. Trump recommends it.

#115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-12 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I was listening to NPR on the radio today, and one of the experts talked about how, while some people will never change their minds about taking the vaccine, there is actually a significant "moveable middle" who can be convinced if you present it to them the right way.

BUG_CHASER is actually a closet Trumper, or a Russian troll, trying to sow discord. They want you to believe there is no moveable middle, that everyone's either gung-ho enthusiastic about taking an experimental drug or they're an anti-vaxxer. Herp derp.

#116 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-12 09:25 PM | Reply

"Debunked: The Polio Vaccine and HIV Link
www.historyofvaccines.org
#105 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

Not debunked at all. You are just relying on 'scientific consensus' - which has no real meaning in reality unless you believe the earth was flat until the 1500's. Debunking means it is conclusively proven - which is not the case here.

#117 | Posted by Family_values at 2021-04-13 12:50 AM | Reply

You idiot, nobody thought the earth was flat for a few millenia and before that they didn't think of it at all. Climb a mountain or stand by the sea, you can see the curvature.

#118 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-04-13 01:19 AM | Reply

"Well do you enjoy wearing masks and not having public events? Your cult always whines about that the most, but you're too stupid to take the solution when it's offered to you."

I'm choosing to take it. "Choosing" to take it.

I could also choose not to take it.

You're still dancing on the periphery of the issues, which is that the DoD cannot compel service members to undergo treatments that are not approved by the FDA. Your opinions on the matter are immaterial.

#119 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-13 08:53 AM | Reply

"Why take any vaccines?"

Because I'm a US Military Officer.

It's part of the job.

Otherwise, I probably wouldn't bother.

#120 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-13 08:54 AM | Reply

Actually, I retract that. The USMIL makes it incredibly easy to get a vaccine. My last flu shot may have taken two minutes from the time I checked in to the time I was walking back to my car. Needles don't really bother me, flu shots don't generally hurt...so why not?

#121 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-04-13 08:56 AM | Reply

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