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Tuesday, April 27, 2021

About 2 in 3 Americans support the president's multitrillion-dollar infrastructure package as well as the proposed tax hikes to pay for it. Biden's $2 trillion infrastructure proposal is broadly popular, registering 68% support and just 29% opposition. The poll also finds nearly 2 in 3 Americans support raising taxes on corporations (64%) and individuals earning more than $400,000 (65%) to pay for these plans.

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Biden is also set to unveil a large spending plan to expand access to healthcare and childcare as well as provide paid leave and college tuition support. Nearly 2 in 3 Americans (64%) support this idea while 34% are opposed.

When asked which of these two plans is more important for the country, 21% prioritize the upcoming healthcare proposal while 19% say the infrastructure plan is more important. However, a majority of Americans (54%) say both plans are equally important for the country.

Yo Republicans! Joe is doing exactly what he said he was going to do when he defeated Trump by 8 million votes. He is doing what Americans elected him to do and a majority WANTS him to do.

Joe HAS bipartisan support from the American people. The elected GOP in Washington? Not so much, but they will forever be discounted from the rest of America anyway with their obsession that corporations and wealthy people shouldn't pay a fairer share of taxes than they do now when they receive the outsized share of profits and gains.

The American people stand in support of investment directed toward the improvement of their own lives and communities as Joe has always championed. Too bad the GOP continues to oppose the same.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-04-27 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Americans generally want all of these things. The fact that the White House plans to deliver on these priorities without raising taxes on lower- and middle-income households no doubt boosts their popularity.

Except, Republicans on Capitol Hill still don't quite see it this way. Much of the GOP is still working from the assumption that it can scream about "big government," "tax-and-spend liberals," and "socialism," at which point Democratic proposals will become unpopular, and Democratic policymakers will grudgingly slink away.

In 2021, it's not working. It's been two months since Biden first starting presenting the public details of his infrastructure pitch, and it looks like nearly 7 in 10 Americans are on board with the plan -- despite plenty of partisan pushback from the White House's opponents.

We're looking at a political landscape in which Republicans are telling the American public, "Those rascally Democrats want to increase spending, increase government, and raise taxes on 'job creators'!" And much of the public, at least for now, is responding, "Yep, that's fine with us."

Steve Benen

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-04-27 09:42 PM | Reply

You know who never got 2/3 support? Can you guess??

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-04-27 10:46 PM | Reply

I dont like that lower income and middle income are not going to have to feel the pain of this too. The more wealthy amongst us are not piggy banks we can tap whenever we want.

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2021-04-28 08:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

I dont like that lower income and middle income are not going to have to feel the pain of this too.
#4 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Because lower/middle income don't already feel enough pain? Is knowing that they are already living with the highest rates of crime, having the least ability to afford and access services such as credit and financial advisors, healthcare, legal help, quality education while being most at risk of being preyed upon by unscrupulous lenders, landlords, legal authorities and every other industry that recognizes they can exploit those who have fewer options available to themselves not satisfy your lust for a pound of flesh?

#5 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-04-28 08:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 they're hardly "tapped whenever we want."

The tax code is written by their advocates and they've gotten preferential treatment for years to the point many pay lower effective tax rates than middle class working folks.

Why are you so quick to weep for them?

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2021-04-28 08:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Seriously Boaz? That is going to be your argument?
That the rich in this country are 'set upon'?

Fah! That's a laugh...

Tell that to the following articles...

itep.org

www.washingtonpost.com

there are more articles, many more...
but then again, you already know that the
rich have had it easy...

your arguments are as old as the GOP and Methuselah...

#7 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-04-28 08:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#4 does a great job of demonstrating the anti-christian, anti-american, utterly sick mindset of conservatives in America today. They have no problem at all wishing for more suffering to be delivered upon those who have the least. I imagine if a GOP congresscriminal were to propose legalizing indentured servitude that insurrection supporting traitors would be fully onboard with that idea.

#8 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-04-28 08:49 AM | Reply

ideas like this have always polled well.

Bernie Sanders proposed all sorts of ideas that polled well.

You'd think he'd be president with such great ideas that poll well.

It will be a tough battle to get it through but it can be done.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2021-04-28 09:29 AM | Reply

Bernie Sanders proposed all sorts of ideas that polled well.

You'd think he'd be president with such great ideas that poll well.

Because of the unquestioned effectiveness of the right wing media messaging machine, the arguments against most of what are deemed "progressive" proposals hasn't been about any real aspects of the proposals themselves, the attacks have been against those who champion them as being far outside what the right considers the mainstream. Just last night Lindsey Graham was breathlessly saying that the GOP should cakewalk next year since Biden is the most radical closet liberal this nation has ever seen. Obviously he didn't bother to look at yesterday's polling on Biden's agenda showing with which 2/3rds of America is strongly on board.

Here's the deal: Before the pandemic hit, most of the issues and problems that Biden is seeking to address - all of which he ran on to change/fix, doing precisely what he's doing right now - already existed and were getting worse, along with the growing divide between the have-damn-near-everythings and everyone else who's a missed paycheck or two from personal disaster. The American people have watched the GOP borrow and spend to dole out subsidies and cut the taxes of the most profitable and wealthy sectors of this nation while the majority of workers have actually lost ground when accounting for inflation. All this spending for the those at the top has not stopped our economy from growing, so the fiscal/debt boogeyman just doesn't scare anyone anymore. Top this off with the fact that during the last year and a half, millionaires and billionaires have seen their wealth explode while millions of affected workers line up at food banks and seek relief and aid, many for the first times in their lives, the idea of investing money which will have a direct and positive impact on every Main Street across America doesn't look like radical leftist policy, it looks like common sense based on the needs of non-wealthy taxpayers coast to coast.

Basically, Joe Biden is saying "There's always been money for the rich, so now - at the very moment we're reinventing a post-pandemic economy - let's invest in YOU, the American citizen, and provide YOU with conditions that will improve your lives and your communities and your families. And let's do it by building what we need here in America, with American workers making solid wages again, taking the lead in global innovation and development. And let's pay for this by asking those who've received the lion's share of the wealth to again pay a fairer share of income taxes - but still not as much as they were paying as recently as 4 years ago.

There is nothing "radical" in this message, and it's one the entire GOP has had a year to find a counter to while failing miserably. Trump tried - he lost by 8 million votes - even while individual Republicans made gains in the House. Biden has a near half-century record of moderate centrism. The policies he's calling for today aren't extremist, they make sense based on the conditions they're meant to improve. The public at large gets this and supports the effort. The elected GOP, not so much, largely because it leaves them with nothing politically as a fallback position. If Biden's plans do spur epic growth and greater across-the-board prosperity, they have nothing left to counter them with because "NO" is finally not an option.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-04-28 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

What about the Republican counteroffer to Biden's proposal?

Republican lawmakers want you to believe they've made a serious counteroffer to President Biden's $2.25 trillion infrastructure investment proposal. But in reality, Republicans are offering nothing remotely close to a serious or reasonable counter-bid, and they know it. This is obvious from their use of an accounting gimmick that inflates their "compromise" and makes it look more similar in size to Biden's plan. Once you un-cook the books and use apples-to-apples budgeting rules to compare the proposals, you'll realize that what the GOP has offered is mere pennies on the dollar of what Biden has requested.

Specifically, Republicans have offered to tender 8 cents of new spending for every $1 Biden wants. Even less, in some cases.

So let's do an apples-to-apples comparison: If you compare GOP new spending to only the same line items of spending in the Biden plan -- the select categories Republicans have blessed as "core" infrastructure -- it means Republicans are offering about 24 percent of Biden's proposal ($189 billion vs. $785 billion). If you instead compare the overall packages -- that is, including electric vehicles, R&D, eldercare and everything else in Biden's American Jobs Plan -- the GOP counteroffer is only about 8 percent of what Biden seeks ($189 billion vs. $2.25 trillion).

In some categories of spending, the GOP proposal is especially stingy. On public transit, for example, Republicans are proposing not merely less than Biden wants; Republicans are actually proposing to cut public transit funding to levels below the existing baseline, according to calculations from Jeff Davis, senior fellow at the Eno Center for Transportation.

www.washingtonpost.com

So if Biden and the Democrats don't accept the GOP's okey-doke offer they'll be perceived as not being bipartisan. I don't think affected Americans are going to care if the policies themselves improve their own lives. The G-NO-P is making it easier for the Democrats to take credit for a booming economy that they tried tirelessly to stop at most every turn, never actually bargaining in good faith.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-04-28 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Only the 1% and the dummies who think tax cuts create jobs don't support them.

The GOP had four years of the bloated-------------'s term...two with complete control to pass an infrastructure bill. They were only interested in paying off their donors with the tax scam.

THey have no plan for infrastructure, education or health care because the people that matter to them can afford the best private industry has to offer. Anyone not in the top 10% can go eff themselves.

#12 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-04-28 10:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I dont like that lower income and middle income are not going to have to feel the pain of this too. The more wealthy amongst us are not piggy banks we can tap whenever we want.

#4 | Posted by boaz

Translation - I'm so stupid that I want to suffer more instead of getting financial justice from the people who've made people like me suffer for decades.

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-04-28 12:40 PM | Reply

I dont like that lower income and middle income are not going to have to feel the pain of this too. The more wealthy amongst us are not piggy banks we can tap whenever we want.
#4 | Posted by boaz

They've been feeling the pain since 1975, Boaz.
"Since 1975, practically all the gains in hosuehold income have gone to the top 20% of households."

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-28 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The more wealthy amongst us are not piggy banks we can tap whenever we want.
#4 | Posted by boaz

Why not? They have been draining the accounts of and screwing poor people long enough.

It's time for the wealthy to pick up the check for once.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-04-28 02:01 PM | Reply

From great wealth comes greater responsibility.

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-04-28 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I find this interesting:
What is corporate tax rate in China?
25%
Corporate income tax ("CIT") - standard tax rate is 25%, but the tax rate could be reduced to 15% for qualified enterprises which are engaged in industries encouraged by the China government (e.g. New/high Tech Enterprises and certain integrated circuits production enterprises).
Tax Services - China Corporate Tax - Overview of ... - PwC CN

On another note: 12.5%
Ireland's "headline" corporation tax rate is 12.5%, however, foreign multinationals pay an aggregate Effective tax rate (ETR) of 2.2"4.5% on global profits "shifted" to Ireland, via Ireland's global network of bilateral tax treaties.

Corporation tax in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia

The inducement has worked. More than a thousand big, mostly American global companies have operations in Ireland, among them: Google, Apple, Facebook, PayPal, Microsoft, Yahoo, eBay, AOL, Twitter and Intel. Pfizer, Boston Scientific and Johnson & Johnson also have a major presence there.Jun 20, 2018

As an ExxonMobil shareholder, and considering about 2/3 of their profits come from outside the USA, I'd like to see them relocate and incorporate in Ireland, thus instantly making them more profitable.

#17 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-04-28 04:50 PM | Reply

What is corporate tax rate in China?

Move to China, Fkkk boy.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-28 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#15 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2021-04-28 02:01 PM | FLAG: FYI

Percentage of taxes paid by top 1 percent
In 2018, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid roughly $615 billion, or 40.1 percent of all income taxes, while the bottom 90 percent paid about $440 billion, or 28.6 percent of all income taxes.

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2021 Updatehttps://taxfoundation.org publications latest-federal-in...
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#19 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-04-28 04:53 PM | Reply

Qasim Rashid, Esq.

UN estimates it costs $30B to end world hunger

World has ~2200 Billionaires worth $8.7T

So - for .3% of their worth - they could end world hunger

That's like someone who makes $52K/year spending $3/week to end world hunger

1B ppl starve annually so 2200 can buy a 40th yacht

.

To those arguing its wrong to "give away billionaires' money," - what you're *actually* arguing is:

Starving 1B people is better than slightly raising taxes on 2200 people

Poverty is a life choice not a life sentence

These lies have collapsed past nations - & will collapse ours


Problem seems to be. Trumpers want to destroy America. To punish liberals.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-28 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Percentage of taxes paid by top 1 percent
In 2018, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid roughly $615 billion, or 40.1 percent of all income taxes, while the bottom 90 percent paid about $440 billion, or 28.6 percent of all income taxes.

Do you have any idea how disingenuous it is to make that argument?

The top 1% OWN more than the 90% combined, of course they pay more taxes.

It's almost as if you simpletons don't understand basic math enough to know why that's a stupid argument.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2021-04-28 07:14 PM | Reply

The top 1% OWN more than the 90% combined, of course they pay more taxes.

It's almost as if you simpletons don't understand basic math enough to know why that's a stupid argument.

#21 | Posted by jpw

The feds tax what you EARN, not what you OWN.

If we start taxing what they OWN, that would be a wealth tax, and that doesn't exist yet, but maybe it should.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-04-28 07:48 PM | Reply

Percentage of taxes paid by top 1 percent
In 2018, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid roughly $615 billion, or 40.1 percent of all income taxes, while the bottom 90 percent paid about $440 billion, or 28.6 percent of all income taxes.

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2021 Updatehttps://taxfoundation.org publications latest-federal-in...
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#19 | Posted by MSgt

So? They earn all the money they should pay all the taxes.

If they don't want to pay all the taxes, they should stop bribing politicians to enact policies that enrich them and screw everyone else. A more economically equal society would have the tax burden more spread out among the classes.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-04-28 07:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#19

The best is when you roll out the 47% who paid no income tax and compare it to the 1% paying 615B. Ignoring what that means is 47% didn't make enough to pay income tax while the 1% make enough to have to pay 615B in a tax code they wrote.

#24 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-04-28 08:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Percentage of taxes paid by top 1 percent
In 2018, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid roughly $615 billion, or 40.1 percent of all income taxes, while the bottom 90 percent paid about $440 billion, or 28.6 percent of all income taxes.

This ignores so much.

It's facts for the ignorant.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-28 08:26 PM | Reply

The feds tax what you EARN, not what you OWN.
If we start taxing what they OWN, that would be a wealth tax, and that doesn't exist yet, but maybe it should.

#22 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You're correct, that was my mistake.

Statement remains the same, though.

The numbers msgt posted to try and make the 1% out to be victims is more a reflection of the gross economic imbalance in this country than anything else.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2021-04-29 08:46 AM | Reply

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It does. It ignores FICA, state incomes, any local income taxes, etc..all taxes that impact the middle income earners as a % much more.

This argument has been beaten to death and it's always in the same place.

Personally, I don't think most middle income republicans care about this issue as much as people think.

They're not sympathetic to wealthy earners due to being misinformed with misleading stats such as the same old ---- we see in this thread.

It's still simple......hook them with abortion, gays and guns.....with a side of immigration.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2021-04-29 08:56 AM | Reply

Percentage of taxes paid by top 1 percent
In 2018, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid roughly $615 billion, or 40.1 percent of all income taxes, while the bottom 90 percent paid about $440 billion, or 28.6 percent of all income taxes.

Ignoring payroll taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, etc. is what the 1% want you to do. They thank you for your ignorance.

100 people on an island. 99 make $1 per year. 1 makes $1000 per year. Flat 10% tax rate.

1 person pays $100.
Everyone else pays $9.90.
Total taxes $109.90

The top 1% pays 91% of the tax and they pay 10x more than the bottom 99% of taxpayers. That is so unfair to the 1%, right?

#28 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-04-29 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"the bottom 90 percent paid about $440 billion, or 28.6 percent of all income taxes."

1. The vast majority of workers (~70%) pay more over their lifetimes in payroll taxes than income taxes. Why do you feel you can ignore first place, when talking about tax revenue?

2. Payroll tax overcorrections were cited as the reason for income tax cuts by Dubya and Cheney.

3. If rates drop, but the 1% pays a higher percentage of revenue, that means wealth has funneled upward to more than make up for the rate drop.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-29 11:07 AM | Reply

Under the Trump cuts we dropped from the 24% bracket to the 22% one. Oh well, it was great while it lasted.

What I wonder about this poll is that how many who polled for more taxes are in the 48% earners that do not pay Federal Income Taxes, therefore they have no skin in the game when the taxes go up.

#30 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-04-29 12:33 PM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2021-04-29 11:07 AM | FLAG: As usual you cite apples to oranges as the subject and my post concerns Federal Income Taxes, which BTW approx 48% of earners are exempt from due to low income, thereby leaning only about 52% of us to carry the load [which has nothing to do with what the amount the morons in Congress spend].

#31 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-04-29 12:42 PM | Reply

I can't wait. I'm having an extra $200 taken out of each pay check to cover taxes because of Trump and the GOP's tax "cuts."

#32 | Posted by YAV at 2021-04-29 12:43 PM | Reply

"Federal Income Taxes, which BTW approx 48% of earners are exempt from due to low income..."

That's a common fallacy. The main reason the number of people "are exempt" (they're not) is many social programs have been integrated into the 1040.

For example: when I was a kid, if the couple up the block owed and had withheld $1000 in income taxes over the year, they were scored as having paid income tax. Because they were poor and had three kids, they got $100/mo in welfare. But they were still scored has someone who "paid" income tax. Why? Because they paid income tax.. Them getting welfare didn't change that fact.

Now, the welfare system is integrated into the 1040, via the Earned Income Credit. The same family as above would get a $200 "refund", and scored as someone who DOESN'T pay income tax. But that's not true. That family still pays income tax, it's merely offset, like a lot of credits now integrated into the tax code.

Another example: The Child Tax Credit is $2000/year. They could send folks $166.67/child every month, but instead it's integrated into the income tax system. And by doing that, purposefully, that means the "talking point" of the percentage who "don't pay taxes" goes up.

I've just shown two Republican initiatives which purposefully dropped the percentage of folks "paying income taxes". There are at least three more Republican initiatives. Can you name them?

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-29 02:19 PM | Reply

"(leaving) only about 52% of us to carry the load..."

Nonsense. My payroll tax overcollections went to fund your income tax cuts. You don't get to pretend some taxes count, and others don't.

In addition, you got up-front, tangible benefits. I got IOUs.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-29 02:22 PM | Reply

"the 48% earners that do not pay Federal Income Taxes"

Thanks, Republicans!

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-29 02:23 PM | Reply

Tax Facts

A 25yr old Trust Fund Baby getting $50,000/year in dividends from Wal-Mart pays no federal taxes.

A 50yr old Janitor profiting $50,000 from sweat-of-the-brow labor pays over $10,000 in federal taxes.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-04-29 02:27 PM | Reply

I dont like that lower income and middle income are not going to have to feel the pain of this too. The more wealthy amongst us are not piggy banks we can tap whenever we want.
#4 | POSTED BY BOAZ

The lower and middle income folks have already been feeling the pain of subsidizing the wealthy for 40 years, Boaz.

The wealthiest 1% has taken $50 trillion from working Americans and redistributed it, a new study finds. Here's what that means.

#37 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-04-29 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The GOP had four years of the bloated-------------'s term...two with complete control to pass an infrastructure bill. They were only interested in paying off their donors with the tax scam.

THey have no plan for infrastructure, education or health care because the people that matter to them can afford the best private industry has to offer. Anyone not in the top 10% can go eff themselves.

#12 | Posted by Nixon

Obama got the W/GOP deficits down from $1.4 TRILLION to $500 BILLION

Trump and the GOP - all by themselves in a 'roaring economy' swiftly got them back over $1 TRILLION with their tax cuts that did nothing to increase the GDP or improve the lives of the middle class.

Facts

#38 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-29 04:50 PM | Reply

It's still simple......hook them with abortion, gays and guns.....with a side of immigration.

#27 | Posted by eberly

That's what the GOP has been doing for decades:

Like a magician, they wave those issues in one hand and rob the U.S. Treasury blind with the other.

#39 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-04-29 04:55 PM | Reply

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