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Wednesday, April 28, 2021

Mario Gonzalez, a 26-year-old Latino man, died on the morning of April 19 after what police claimed was a "scuffle" and "physical altercation" as they attempted to restrain him, followed by a "medical emergency." But body camera footage released on Tuesday afternoon after an outcry from Gonzalez's family and the public did not show him being violent or fighting officers at any point.

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[I]n the video, officers approached Gonzalez, who was standing alone in a park with some bottles of alcohol in a basket. Gonzalez calmly spoke with officers for nearly nine minutes before they attempted to place his hands behind his back. Police pinned him facedown on the ground and at least two officers appeared to get on top of his back, one kneeling on his shoulder, for about five minutes until Gonzalez became unresponsive.

Police said Gonzalez died at the hospital, but the video showed that he had stopped breathing on-site and that one officer declared "no pulse" shortly after officers began CPR.

Three officers involved have been placed on paid administrative leave.

"Alameda police officers murdered my brother Mario," Gonzalez's brother Gerardo said, noting that his brother was in the park "not bothering anyone" and that "at no point was he violent."

"Everything we saw in that video was unnecessary," he added. "APD took a calm situation and made it fatal. Police killed my brother in the same manner that they killed George Floyd," he said.

The police report made no mention of officers kneeling on Gonzalez's back for minutes until he lost consciousness.

Every officer on the scene who signed off on this report should be A) Fired; and B) Prosecuted. There is no place in public service for indiscriminate homicide under the color of law.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-04-27 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

"Aw, c'mon, it's just a few bad apples."
-Says all the good apples who stand by and do nothing.

#2 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-04-28 05:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I wonder how sales for "only a few bad apples" apple pie would do.

You think people would be willing to eat a slice if only 2 out of the 10 apples we're rotten?

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-04-28 05:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You think people would be willing to eat a slice if only 2 out of the 10 apples we're rotten?

#3 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

It doesn't matter. One bad apple will spoil the whole bunch.

#4 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2021-04-28 07:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's the video, showing three different body cam angles.

www.youtube.com

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-28 07:44 PM | Reply

*crickets chirping*

#6 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-28 08:43 PM | Reply

More gaslighting from the accuser of gaslighting, I see.

Make sure your gas jets are in the off position, because they're liable to fill your mom's basement and explode soon.

#7 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-28 09:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Video shows police who failed to deal with a man in some sort of mental crisis - drug or mental health or both - in a compassionate fashion. He was no threat. They manhandled him and because of that he did not cooperate, he likely couldn't comprehend why they were doing what they did. Poor training.

#8 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-04-28 10:14 PM | Reply

I agree this could have been handled differently and the police procedure needs to be looked at. OTOH, comparing this to the Floyd death is bullspit. They talked to him compassionately for over nine minutes, even after he refused to cooperate or give his full name and kept putting his hands in his pockets. The video clearly shows they were checking with each other to make sure they weren't putting any weight on his chest. He kept kicking the third officer who was behind him, and he didn't show any signs of physical distress until the final minute of the encounter.

It's unfortunate we can't acknowledge this was a tragic death and discuss how it may have been prevented without immediately jumping to a false narrative which is contradicted by the video. It gives the impression we only have s false choice between police brutality and letting crazy people and druggies wander around the streets scaring the public.

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-29 05:10 AM | Reply

The race baiting and turning him into some kind of ethnic superhero ("Latino Man") is not helpful either.

#10 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-29 05:12 AM | Reply

The race baiting and turning him into some kind of ethnic superhero ("Latino Man") is not helpful either.

#10 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

And why are we not seeing any stories about this happening to white people? Considering that they are still the majority of the population in most of the country. Are there no white criminals? Do they all "comply peacefully" when confronted by police?

#11 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-04-29 07:13 AM | Reply

No one who hasn't VIOLENTLY AND WITHOUT PROVOCATION threatened the life of a police officer(s) should NEVER BE DEAD at the end of the encounter! If a detainee dies, it is the FAULT OF THOSE WHO DETAIN HIM period, full stop. Every person alive will try to struggle in the moments their bodies are physically threatened to the point these bodies will have their human life terminated - it's called the survival instinct.

Any survival instinct physical response(s) cannot then be used as justification for homicide by police officers.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-04-29 07:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Police really need better training. I see a bunch of officers who really have no idea how to subdue somebody without harming them. These departments need to invest into more training. Maybe pay for BJJ lessons. I used to take lessons. There were people in the class 50lbs lighter than me who could choke me out and know when to release the hold before harm was done.

#13 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-04-29 08:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And why are we not seeing any stories about this happening to white people? Considering that they are still the majority of the population in most of the country."

Just because you're seeing them doesn't mean they aren't there. I listed numerous examples in another thread. The media corporations usually do not list the person's so-called race in those cases, because it's not as profitable as racializing almost every case that involves so-called POC.

#14 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-29 10:33 AM | Reply

And why are we not seeing any stories about this happening to white people? Considering that they are still the majority of the population in most of the country. Are there no white criminals? Do they all "comply peacefully" when confronted by police?

#11 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

Here's one about a white woman, close to where I live. The Delta County Sheriffs Department is disturbingly quiet, "pending investigation". They aren't even saying if there were any witnesses or camera footage.

www.kjct8.com

#15 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-04-29 11:26 AM | Reply

"Police really need better training"

Oh, the training is pretty effective.
They're killing three people a day, as they've been trained to do.

What police need is different training.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-29 11:31 AM | Reply

"And why are we not seeing any stories about this happening to white people?"

One is because you're not looking.
Two is because it doesn't happen to white people as much.
Three is because portraying it as a minority issue makes it portrayed as a race issue, which even most white people have grudgingly come to admit is still (has always been) a problem in America.

If we portray it as a police problem, which it is, conservative white people get very upset by that.
Remember how much this country and the media started fawning over the police as Heroes after 9/11?

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-29 11:34 AM | Reply

"We have met the enemy, and he is US" -- Pogo

#18 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-04-29 12:49 PM | Reply

WTFF??? Why are they continuing to torture that guy? What kind of psychos are continuing the incredibly painful wrist lock when the guy is handcuffed??? All while using a calm soothing tone.

Who relaxes when they are being tortured?? Answer: Nobody. The cops know this. These cops are performing for the body cameras that they know are recording their voices. As long as their voices remain calm, they feel they can continue to hurt this man?

The initial wrist lock where they are trying to get his hands behind Mario's back is meant for sheer pain and body control. Not for actually getting his hand behind his back. You don't put the wrist up by the shoulder blade with the elbow locked in front of the man. The office could have used several other techniques to force the shoulder into position. What he was doing was intentionally causing severe pain. Not trying to put the hands into handcuff position. Then when the handcuffs are on, he is still wrenching on the wrist which causes extreme pain.

Again, the officer knows this. They were inflicting intentional harm on this man.

#19 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2021-04-29 01:01 PM | Reply

I just got to the point in the video where they moved OFF the chest. JUST after Mario died. Good performance, murderers. As stated above, when a suspect is in their custody and hasn't threatened the livelihood of the officers, the suspect should not come out of that encounter deceased.

THEN they apparently falsified their police reports. Because that's what innocent people do.

#20 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2021-04-29 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The job of the police is supposed to be to bring suspects before a judge, not to judge them as guilty. and certainly not to punish!

#21 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-04-29 01:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"It's unfortunate we can't acknowledge this was a tragic death"

It's unfortunate you can't acknowledge this was a murder.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-29 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"It's unfortunate you can't acknowledge this was a murder."

Convince me. Pretend you're making the case to a jury that needs to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt of that particular criminal charge.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-29 01:59 PM | Reply

police chiefs around the nation could end this...

just walk in, in the morning, call an ALL HANDS meeting,
and say the ANY person that does this will be fired on the spot,
and that the police dept. will legally fight to prevent that
police man (or woman) from receiving their retirement funds...

of course, this would only happen in a country that
cared about all human life, instead of only the white colored
ones, and in a nation that took morality seriously, instead
of just paying it lip service...

#24 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-04-29 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#23 - They falsified the report. Guilty.

They LIED to hide their guilt after torturing a guy, with their knees on Mario's back, only taking their knees off of his back, and only ending the excruciating joint manipulation, AFTER Mario was deceased. Guilty.

Watch the video and the officer's actions with sound off so you don't get so easily manipulated by their "compassionate" manner. Weird that you hear compassion, and don't see what they are physically doing to him while speaking so compassionately. It's like an abusive spouse speaking so kindly and softly while beating his wife. "But listen to him, he didn't mean to beat her to death, he was just trying to get through to her." GMAFB That level of psychopathy is startling.

#25 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2021-04-29 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23 I wouldn't allow a white supremacist on the jury.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-29 05:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So you've got nothing, other than calling anyone who doesn't come to your foregone conclusion a white supremacist and psychopathic. I'm sure that would go down real well with a jury.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-29 06:22 PM | Reply

"Two is because it doesn't happen to white people as much"

Numbers-wise, it happens more often to so-called white people than any other ethnic group.

#28 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-29 06:32 PM | Reply

"Numbers-wise"

Your numbers aren't wise enough to include a denominator.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-29 06:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Sentinel, have you ever been arrested?

#30 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-29 06:40 PM | Reply

#29, divide it by the total number of such incidents, and it's still more.

(And before you go into the "that's not the denominator I'm looking for" routine, it's more relevant to what we were responding to just now. It appears people actually DO believe this doesn't happen to so-called whites in actual number of incidents.)

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-29 06:51 PM | Reply

#30, go away and leave me alone. I've made it clear I'm not interested in your advances.

#32 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-29 06:51 PM | Reply

31 addendum: It appears people actually DO believe this doesn't happen *as often to so-called whites in actual number of incidents.

#33 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-29 06:53 PM | Reply

"I'm sure that would go down real well with a jury."

I think the jurists would be happy when they saw the white supremacist being kept off the jury with a peremptory challenge.
But I suppose it really depends on which county you're in.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-29 07:02 PM | Reply

"#29, divide it by the total number of such incidents, and it's still more."

And now you're using the wrong denominator.

Children, I implore you: Stay in school!

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-29 07:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Since you decided to bring the conversation down to that level...

How do you kill a ------?
Put a knife in Snoofy's hand.

#36 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-29 07:05 PM | Reply

Looks like I need to review some basic statistics, then.

If you divide by the total number of such incidents, you're dividing everything by the same number. Which doesn't change the relationship between the rates. It just scales them all down, by the same amount.

What you're supposed to divide by is: the total population of each race/ethnic group.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-29 07:17 PM | Reply

#30, go away and leave me alone. I've made it clear I'm not interested in your advances.
#32 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2021-04-29 06:51 PM

A wise decision. I'll take your surrender and your sword, but you may keep your shield, as the Greeks used to say, "either with it or on it", "E tan e epitas". So, I take my hat off to your family members in respect for them having to drag you back home on your shield.

Felicitations and exultations &c

MS

#38 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-29 07:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's really sick about these situations is how cops treat everything as "resisting" when much of it is reflex, panic or distress.

They demand something entirely outside of human beings nature then use that to abuse people.

Sad thing is these sadists probably thought they were helping him right up until the point they killed him.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2021-04-30 12:09 AM | Reply

The only way to save the village was to burn it.

#40 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-04-30 12:10 AM | Reply

Sentinel, you may inadvertently be making the ultimate point... THIS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN TO ANYONE! Regardless of ethnic heritage.

#41 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2021-04-30 12:20 PM | Reply

Too many people have mobility issues, asthma, claustrophobia, etc... for police to be placing people face down with pressure on their body. For many it's beyond torture to breath in that position. I couldn't agree more that once cuffed, police need to have a method of restraint that isn't face down on the ground.

#42 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2021-04-30 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I couldn't agree more that once cuffed"

The problem in this case was they weren't able to cuff the guy, despite what some stories are falsely reporting. From what I saw, they were only able to get the cuff on one hand, and were apparently trying to cuff the other one when this happened. But yes, they do need to look at police procedures, and I think there should be uniform guidance on a national level.

Some people apparently just want to let spaced out druggies wander the streets with no police intervention at all, as if that's the only other choice.

#43 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-30 03:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Sentinel, you may inadvertently be making the ultimate point... THIS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN TO ANYONE! Regardless of ethnic heritage."

It's not inadvertent. Anyone who's been paying attention to what I write knows that.

#44 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-30 03:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The problem in this case was they weren't able to cuff the guy"

I guess that's good enough reason to kill him.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-04-30 04:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I guess that's good enough reason to kill him."

That's your viewpoint, not anyone else's.

#46 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-30 05:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#11

Daniel Shaver

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#47 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-04-30 05:27 PM | Reply

#46 | Posted by sentinel

You're just a fuggin moron.

#48 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-04-30 05:35 PM | Reply

#48, thank you for your contribution to internet agriculture.

#49 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-04-30 06:06 PM | Reply

#49 And to you, your contribution to ------- up yet another thread. I ought to call you the train derailleur.

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#50 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-04-30 08:18 PM | Reply

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