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Caitlyn Jenner, a former Olympic athlete who famously came out as transgender in 2015, "This is a question of fairness, that's why I oppose biological boys who are trans competing in girls sports in school. It just isn't fair, and we have to protect girls sports in our schools."

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At a minimum, I think professional sports needs to ban it. Jenner being a professional competitor and sports enthusiast believes it needs banned in schools where a love of sports and competition gets its start. Girls sports needs to be supported. Women fought too hard to gain ground to have it taken away from them by a misguided idea.

You would think Jenner having competed professionally would understand better than most the advantage it would give them.

#1 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-01 07:55 PM | Reply

I'm starting to like this guy.

#2 | Posted by boaz at 2021-05-01 07:57 PM | Reply

She's a Republican that treats the trans community like garbage. Eff her.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-05-01 08:15 PM | Reply

Sports are inherently biased against women.

Ban sports!

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-05-01 08:20 PM | Reply

She's a Republican that treats the trans community like garbage. Eff her.

She's using common sense, eff YOU.

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2021-05-01 08:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.scientificamerican.com

Policies permitting transgender athletes to play on teams that match their gender identity are not new. The Olympics have had trans-inclusive policies since 2004, but a single openly transgender athlete has yet to even qualify. California passed a law in 2013 that allows trans youth to compete on the team that matches their gender identity; there have been no issues. U SPORTS, Canada's equivalent to the U.S.'s National Collegiate Athletic Association, has allowed transgender athletes to compete with the team that matches their identity for the past two years.

The notion of transgender girls having an unfair advantage comes from the idea that testosterone causes physical changes such as an increase in muscle mass. But transgender girls are not the only girls with high testosterone levels. An estimated 10 percent of women have polycystic ovarian syndrome, which results in elevated testosterone levels. They are not banned from female sports. Transgender girls on puberty blockers, on the other hand, have negligible testosterone levels. Yet these state bills would force them to play with the boys. Plus, the athletic advantage conferred by testosterone is equivocal. As Katrina Karkazis, a senior visiting fellow and expert on testosterone and bioethics at Yale University explains, "Studies of testosterone levels in athletes do not show any clear, consistent relationship between testosterone and athletic performance. Sometimes testosterone is associated with better performance, but other studies show weak links or no links. And yet others show testosterone is associated with worse performance." The bills' premises lack scientific validity.

Claiming that transgender girls have an unfair advantag

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-05-01 09:13 PM | Reply

"Claiming that transgender girls have an unfair advantage"

But it takes time for the muscle configurations to change from male to female, right? So it makes sense newly-trans females would still have the muscle mass advantage.

What is the window for 100% muscle transformation? I could certainly understand a competition ban during that time.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-01 09:37 PM | Reply

"Sports are inherently biased against women. "

Nah, they just play the games a different way. The best fundamental team I ever saw as an umpire was in a women's slow-pitch softball league. The men all think they can hit homers, hate to walk, and are sure they can tie up a bases-empty, 7-run deficit with one swing. Meanwhile, women all play base-to-base; no one can hit a regulation ball over a fence at 300 feet. But this team had all the basics down, to the point where the catcher would verbally position the shortstop to line up with a possible throw from left-center field to home plate. I never saw that in a men's game, in over 700 games called.

It gave me a new appreciation for the game: more compact, more pure, and more concentrated on fundamentals.

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-01 09:59 PM | Reply

But they can't hit worth a damn. Fastballs are too much. They can't play real hardball. It's a man's game.

I know life ain't fair.

#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-05-02 01:25 AM | Reply

Shut up Laura. Born males do not need to be competing against born females. Period. End of Story.

And I'm hoping common sense takes ahold.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2021-05-02 07:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It gave me a new appreciation for the game: more compact, more pure, and more concentrated on fundamentals.

#8 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2021-05-01 09:59 PM | FLAG:

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#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-05-02 09:10 AM | Reply

Try that again...

That was a bit on Futurama.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-05-02 09:10 AM | Reply

"That was a bit on Futurama."

Someone pointed out recently the difference between the men's game and the women's game is they're played on different planes.

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-02 03:20 PM | Reply

What is the window for 100% muscle transformation? I could certainly understand a competition ban during that time.

Agreed. Until the transformation is complete and the testosterone levels of the transgender athlete falls within the normal range for a girl, the transgender athlete should not be able to compete with girls.

#14 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2021-05-02 05:42 PM | Reply

I'm perfectly fine with various sports governing bodies coming up with their own rules for this.

The Olympics has rules for this kind of stuff before "transgender" was even a household word, as men have a history of trying to pass as women and compete in women's events.

What to do in school sports is a thornier issue, because there the government is bound by equal protection.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-02 05:46 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"What to do in school sports is a thornier issue, because there the government is bound by equal protection"

Agreed....the rights of girls and women to be treated fairly in sports should be protected.

Time and time again women lose to the authority of men.

And now gay men.

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-02 08:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Laura,

Your attitude supports what I believe about a lot of Democrats.

They support gays when it suits them.

Do they care about the emotional pain all gays suffer or just the ones who are liberal?

Do they care about homosexuals or just liberal homosexuals?

Now you show how you feel about Caitlyn Jenner and the conflicting pressure of living and supporting transgender related issues.

The only trans you care about are liberal ones.

Fake phony not really concerned about all people. Just politics.

That's far more hypocritical than my choosing to remain in a straight marriage as a predominantly gay man.

I admit who and what I am.

You pretend you're some great trans supporter but you're really just a loud mouth.

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-02 09:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Do they care about the emotional pain all gays suffer or just the ones who are liberal?"

Like when they can't get married?
Like when they can't serve in the military?
What exactly are you talking about here, that should be in the government's wheelhouse?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-02 09:25 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

In a democracy not everyone gets everything they want.

#19 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-02 09:31 PM | Reply

BillJohsnom, why are you making excuses for treating gays like second class citizens?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-02 09:36 PM | Reply

www.nbcnews.com

"Make no mistake: we can't wait to elect a #trans governor of California," tweeted the group, Equality California. "But @Caitlyn_Jenner spent years telling the #LGBTQ+ community to trust Donald Trump. We saw how that turned out. Now she wants us to trust her? Hard pass."

Jenner " the former Olympic gold medalist and reality TV personality " is a Republican and supported Trump in 2016. She later criticized his administration for some discriminatory actions against transgender people, but has failed to convince many trans-rights advocates that she is a major asset to their cause.

"Caitlyn Jenner is a deeply unqualified hack who doesn't care about anyone but herself," tweeted trans activist Charlotte Clymer. "Her views are terrible. She is a horrible candidate."

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-05-02 09:37 PM | Reply

Your attitude supports what I believe about a lot of Democrats.
They support gays when it suits them.
Do they care about the emotional pain all gays suffer or just the ones who are liberal?
Do they care about homosexuals or just liberal homosexuals?
Now you show how you feel about Caitlyn Jenner and the conflicting pressure of living and supporting transgender related issues.
The only trans you care about are liberal ones.
Fake phony not really concerned about all people. Just politics.
That's far more hypocritical than my choosing to remain in a straight marriage as a predominantly gay man.
I admit who and what I am.
You pretend you're some great trans supporter but you're really just a loud mouth.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2021-05-02 09:07 PM | REPLY

Ypur arrogance is glaring. You dosn't have to upport everyone in the trans community especially when they do great damage to the community. As far as the rest of your emotional vomit. I wouldn't have a problem with you if you didn't try to make it hard for those living out and proud just because you couldn't or wouldn't. There's a chasm of difference between a closetted person and a closet case.

#22 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-05-02 09:46 PM | Reply

In a democracy not everyone gets everything they want.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2021-05-02 09:31 PM | REPLY

The 14th Amendment. Equal protection under the law.

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-05-02 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's far more hypocritical than my choosing to remain in a straight marriage as a predominantly gay man."

Be sure and give yourself a big pat on the back for being less hypocritical than someone you can't stand!

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-02 09:48 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"Be sure and give yourself a big pat on the back for being less hypocritical than someone you can't stand!"

Don't believe everything you think.

Laura and I don't see eye to eye on things but "can't stand" is not what I'm feeling.

#25 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-02 10:30 PM | Reply

Laura,

"Equal Protection" are interesting words.

Protection from injustice. Protection from harm. Protection from inequity. Lawyers build careers out of defining the word "protection".

I don't know law but I believe lawyers have cleverly distorted the word to include questionable extraneous wants and desires having little to do with "protection".

The problem with trans issues is some of them conflict with the needs of other people.

Trans women don't need to walk into restrooms with women and children. They can use a separate facility if they still have male genitalia. They are not being suppressed or denied anything thing except their own ego. If they are tying their self-esteem to peeing in women's restrooms, that's their problem. I don't see how the word "protection" even comes into play. Really...it's women and children who need protected in this case.

Competing in sports is more complicated. Horses are handicapped. Other sports compete against own weight. Trans women have a distinct physical advantage for lots of reasons I don't need to list. The ones who need "protected" here again are women, not the trans women. This is sports....not a drama class where a trans women is being told they can't audition for a female lead.

Back to my original point.

I think the word "protection" is likely being misused and abused in the courts and people are just afraid to push back lest they be labeled homophobic and boycotted and openly shamed the way liberals like to play the game.

Again....not everyone gets everything they want...

or even what they need.

#26 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-02 11:04 PM | Reply

Equal protection under the law.

It's why we can't stop gays from getting married.

Now, if you could show gays getting married causes harm, more than other kinds of marriages, you'd at least have a reason to deny gay marriage equal protection under the law.

The Supreme Court asked the government to do that, and they couldn't. And neither can you.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-02 11:47 PM | Reply

Trans women don't need to walk into restrooms with women and children. They can use a separate facility if they still have male genitalia. They are not being suppressed or denied anything thing except their own ego. If they are tying their self-esteem to peeing in women's restrooms, that's their problem. I don't see how the word "protection" even comes into play. Really...it's women and children who need protected in this case.

Competing in sports is more complicated. Horses are handicapped. Other sports compete against own weight. Trans women have a distinct physical advantage for lots of reasons I don't need to list. The ones who need "protected" here again are women, not the trans women. This is sports....not a drama class where a trans women is being told they can't audition for a female lead.
Back to my original point.
I think the word "protection" is likely being misused and abused in the courts and people are just afraid to push back lest they be labeled homophobic and boycotted and openly shamed the way liberals like to play the game.
Again....not everyone gets everything they want...
or even what they need.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2021-05-02 11:04 PM | REPLY

You need to get a better education regards to trans rights. You obviously are lacking in them. Public restroom use is about public accomidation. To deny it for the trans community is a violation of equal protection.

As for sports.

www.cnn.com

(CNN)A federal judge says transgender women and girls in Idaho cannot be banned from sports teams corresponding to their gender, blocking an Idaho law that attempted to do so.

"This is a victory for all women and girls in Idaho. Trans people belong in sports," wrote the American Civil Liberties Union, which provided legal representation in the case.
Gov. Brad Little signed the "Fairness in Women's Sports Act" in March, which would not allow athletes to participate on a women's team without first verifying that person's "internal and external reproductive anatomy" if her sex is disputed. But Judge David Nye granted a motion for a preliminary injunction against the act Monday.

The law was challenged by transgender cross-country athlete Lindsay Hecox, a student at Boise State University.
A second plaintiff in the case is a 17-year-old cisgender athlete -- unnamed in the lawsuit because she is a minor -- who is concerned that she may be forced to invasively "prove" her gender because of her athletic build and "masculine" personal traits.
Judge Nye agreed that was unfair and "being subject to a sex dispute is itself humiliating." The law does not have a similar requirement for male athletes, Nye noted.
The preliminary injunction is not the final say in the lawsuit, but Nye said in his 87-page order "plaintiffs are likely to succeed in establishing the Act is unconstitutional."

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-05-03 12:15 AM | Reply

Someone pointed out recently the difference between the men's game and the women's game is they're played on different planes.

#13 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2021-05-02 03:20 PM | FLAG:

Right, one is greatly constrained by physical performance.

You want a deep dive where the physical differences don't matter? Sports off the top of my head... Curling, Trap Shooting, Rifle Shooting, Paintball, Equestrian, Darts. All of them but paintball are in the Olympics where they... divide them by gender anyways to increase broadcast times and sell more advertisements.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-05-03 07:50 AM | Reply

Darts expected to be in the 2024 games btw. If we get darts, then we're 4-8 years from getting Axe Throwing.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-05-03 07:51 AM | Reply

They support gays when it suits them.

I think you make the mistake that many conservatives make i.e. if you're on my team, then you are on my time right or wrong. Dems support the idea of equality under the law / constitution. Equality under the law doesn't evaporate if you're black, female, gay, transgender, etc. Today's republicans/conservatives seem to take the position that if you're on my team, I will support you irrespective of whether you are right or wrong.

#31 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2021-05-03 09:22 AM | Reply

That's old news. Equality is out, equity is in.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-05-03 09:45 AM | Reply

Caitlyn Jenner: Trans on girls sports teams is unfair

Hmm, the same Caitlyn Jenner who competed in a women's golf tournament in 2016?

Never go full Republican. Wrong side of history.

#33 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2021-05-04 01:29 PM | Reply

Dork,

Are you saying you've never spoke out against something you've done yourself?

Tell the truth.

#34 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-04 06:59 PM | Reply

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