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Monday, May 03, 2021

Michael J. Stern: Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease doctor, suggested in December that if 75% to 80% of the population got vaccinated, we could reach herd immunity by the end of summer. And with herd immunity, we'd return to a measure of "normalcy," meaning indoor dining, movie theaters and hugs.

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"But herd immunity is slipping away because a quarter of Americans are refusing to get the COVID-19 vaccine. "There is no eradication at this point, it's off the table," Dr. Gregory Poland, director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group, recently said. "We as a society have rejected" herd immunity.

Hmm, no! "We" have not rejected anything. A quarter of the country is ruining it for all of us."

A big part of the problem stems from the cultish relationship many evangelicals and Republicans have with the former president. They absorbed his endless efforts to downplay the danger of the virus and turn public health precautions into a political freedom movement.

But the time for analyzing why these human petri dishes have chosen to ignore the medical science that could save them, and us, is over. We need a different strategy. I propose shunning."

much more at the link... pretty good rant, all in all. you can tell he was a fed prosecutor, lol

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2021-05-02 06:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

If you let a friend not get inoculated you're not much of a friend.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2021-05-02 08:30 PM | Reply

Maybe churches should set up vaccination clinics. That would help to some degree with hesitancy. Sure the craziest of crazy churches wouldn't but perhaps enough would to offset those that wouldn't.

#3 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-05-02 09:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

The police are refusing the vaccine.

Because, you know, "All Lives Matter."

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-02 09:49 PM | Reply

"A measure of normalcy"

People need to get over that one. Masks are here to stay. Distancing is here to stay. The healthcare savings from just those 2 actions are tremendous.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-05-03 07:41 AM | Reply

People need to get over that one. Masks are here to stay. Distancing is here to stay. The healthcare savings from just those 2 actions are tremendous.

#5 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Yes, the smarter, more perceptive folks will have taken note and will likely continue to practice those measures at certain times of the year.

But more than likely they won't be mandatory and there won't be restrictions on business occupancy and opening like there are now.

It will be more of a choice.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2021-05-03 08:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Covid-19 has convinced me that if the human race is ever confronted with a clearly identified, universal threat to its continued existence, we will be finished. It is obvious that there is no cure for stupid - except mass extinction in this case.

#7 | Posted by lduvall at 2021-05-03 10:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#1 ... "But herd immunity is slipping away because a quarter of Americans are refusing to get the COVID-19 vaccine. "There is no eradication at this point, it's off the table," Dr. Gregory Poland, director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group, recently said. "We as a society have rejected" herd immunity. ...

Reaching 'Herd Immunity' Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe
www.nytimes.com

...Widely circulating coronavirus variants and persistent hesitancy about vaccines will keep the goal out of reach. The virus is here to stay, but vaccinating the most vulnerable may be enough to restore normalcy....


At this point, I doubt if the use of the word "normalcy" is correct, if "normalcy" means "just like things were in the Before Times."

In other words, I do not think we yet know what "normalcy" will look like, say, for the 2021 holiday season or a year from now.


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-03 11:36 AM | Reply

@LDUVALL

Most threats to humanity aren't invisible, kill under 75%, come with built in deniers and down players or have quislings for heads of state.

#9 | Posted by Tor at 2021-05-03 12:35 PM | Reply

It will be more of a choice.

#6 | POSTED BY JPW

Until the next pandemic.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-05-03 01:57 PM | Reply

India's 1.5 billion people is providing the opportunity for a myriad of COVID variants, some of which have already killed physicians who were fully vaccinated. Brazil is also creating new variants as are the stupid 25% of Americans who refuse to mask or get vaccines.

Both India and Brazil have 'conservative' morons leading their countries, and who ignored science, allowing the pandemic to reach incredible levels of infection.

Thank God America now has a leader who actually believes in science and is leading an effort to ameliorate as much COVID as possible between our shores.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-05-03 06:15 PM | Reply

"Both India and Brazil have 'conservative' morons leading their countries"

Why put conservative in quotes?

This is The Real McCoy of conservative leadership in the 21st century, just like it was when conservative moron Trump was our President.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-03 06:30 PM | Reply

This would have happened under Boris Johnson too, except that England's National Health Service hasn't been completely politicized yet.

Ol' Boris getting COVID-19 pretty early on probably helped too.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-03 06:53 PM | Reply

#12 | Posted by snoofy

"Conservative" in quotes = "willfully stupid and arrogant," not what it used to mean.

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-05-03 07:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Friends don't let friends vote Rethuglican.
Period. Well, at least none of my friends.

#15 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-05-03 09:46 PM | Reply

I was talking to a friend in SoCal tonight. When I asked if she'd been vaccinated, she exhibited a little hesitancy and said she wanted to wait to see how other people fare. I told her my wife and I both had Pfizer, and that I only had tenderness at the injection site if I touched it. Same with my wife, though she had a day of feeling a little more fatigued.

Evidently my experience - and explaining how more vaccinations = less future variants - did the trick. She sent me a text of a screen shot for her appointment tomorrow afternoon. Yay!

#16 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-05-04 05:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But herd immunity is slipping away because a quarter of Americans are refusing to get the COVID-19 vaccine. "There is no eradication at this point, it's off the table," Dr. Gregory Poland, director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group, recently said. "We as a society have rejected" herd immunity."

Not even remotely true. The US achieved herd immunity over the Spanish Flu, despite the fact that a vaccine didn't exist.

Anybody who claims that a vaccine is needed to achieve herd immunity is lying or doesn't understand herd immunity.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-05 07:25 AM | Reply

"It will be more of a choice."

--------.

I fully expect that my last day as a government employee working in a government facility, I will be wearing a mask.

There will be some Navy SEAL headed off to jump out of an airplane and kill terrorists...but not until he can show a negative PCR test and is wearing the right kind of facemask.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-05 07:27 AM | Reply

"Thank God America now has a leader who actually believes in science and is leading an effort to ameliorate as much COVID as possible between our shores."

Let's talk science.

The US is in full re-open mode. Incidence rate is 259/400k.

Compare that with Germany, which has been in strict lockdown (and remains) for the last seven months, and the rate is 346/100k.

So what's the scientific explanation for a country that strictly prohibits human interaction having an incidence rate that is 33% higher than a society that does not?

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-05 07:33 AM | Reply

"The US achieved herd immunity over the Spanish Flu"

You Lie.

HOWARD MARKEL: Let'sbe clear about this term of herdimmunity.And I'm telling you this isan old pediatrician.Herd immunity was neverdeveloped as a population kindof a measurewhen a virus spreadsthrough a particular community.It was based on active immunity,giving people immunizations,giving lots of childrenimmunizations,for example, for measles, mumps.And when you immunized actively,90 or moreof percent of a community,then when that infection cameinto that community,subsequently, it would notspread.

The notion of letting it ripand letting a lot of peopleget it--first of all, you would neverget levels of 60% to 90%,which is what people areestimating you would need.

www.webmd.com

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-05 11:55 AM | Reply

"And I'm telling you this isan old pediatrician."

A) what the actual ---- is wrong with your grammar? I'm assuming you meant "...and I'm telling you this "as" an old pediatrician?"

Pediatricians are kid doctors. I'm not sure they represnt the upper tier when it comes to research medicine.

In any case...

"The end of the pandemic occurred because the virus circulated around the globe, infecting enough people that the world population no longer had enough susceptible people in order for the strain to become a pandemic once again,"

time.com

No vaccine necessary.

So, if you're still scared, you can buy a tent and some provisions and head north into the Alaskan wilderness. Maybe in a year or two you'll be comfortable rejoining society. If not...that's OK as well.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-05 02:42 PM | Reply

Pediatricians are kid doctors. I'm not sure they represnt the upper tier when it comes to research medicine.

You clearly have zero knowledge of how this stuff works.

Large academic medical centers have research heavy pediatric departments. They tend to research, wait for it, pediatric diseases!

It has nothing to do with "top tier" anything.

No vaccine necessary.

You really are a sick sociopathic ----.

Do you not realize this?

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2021-05-05 02:52 PM | Reply

Not even remotely true. The US achieved herd immunity over the Spanish Flu, despite the fact that a vaccine didn't exist.
Anybody who claims that a vaccine is needed to achieve herd immunity is lying or doesn't understand herd immunity.

#17 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Says the guy who apparently doesn't understand herd immunity...

Herd immunity is not something that comes about from natural infection.

The 1918 influenza virus didn't go away. It became a season virus that causes seasonal influenza in people who are susceptible.

Decreased pathogenicity and reduced susceptible populations are why the pandemic became endemic/seasonal. It had nothing to do with herd immunity.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2021-05-05 02:54 PM | Reply

-So, if you're still scared, you can buy a tent and some provisions and head north into the Alaskan wilderness

I wouldn't go to Austin, TX. Apparently living in a tent is criminal behavior there now.

LOL

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2021-05-05 03:15 PM | Reply

"No vaccine necessary."

Technically, I suppose that's true. Vaccines have never been necessary. They're only necessary to eradicate a disease, which we've only accomplished once, with smallpox.

To your, uh, "point," being alive isn't necessary. Nothing in existence is necessary. So, you're not actually saying anything. You're just telling us you're a nihilist.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-05 03:37 PM | Reply

Talked another friend into getting vaccinated. She had COVID in October, but still has little taste or smell and some neurological issues with her legs.

I shared our experience - few side effects for my wife, none for me but muscle tenderness if I touched the injection site - and the fact that new studies show people who've had COVID and get vaccinated have an even higher immunity from new strains (we never caught it ourselves). She's to a local drugstore tomorrow that has vaccines available for walk-ins.

One at a time ... Friends don't let friends stay unvaccinated.

#26 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-05-06 04:06 AM | Reply

"You really are a sick sociopathic ----."

Did vaccines lead to herd immunity during the Spanish Flu?

Yes, or no?

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-06 04:49 AM | Reply

"The 1918 influenza virus didn't go away. It became a season virus that causes seasonal influenza in people who are susceptible."

Did herd immunity lead to an end to the Spanish Flu Pandemic?

Yes, or no?

And if no, then what, because there was no vaccine.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-06 04:50 AM | Reply

The 1918 influenza virus didn't go away. It became a season virus that causes seasonal influenza in people who are susceptible.

"Eventually, the frequency of the cases of Spanish Flu saw a gradual decline as people started developing herd immunity -- a phenomenon where more number of people in a community get infected, and in the process of recovery, develop antibodies against the virus.

It's what's being hoped today as well with COVID-19, where recovered patient's body would make them immune, and with them being immune, people who never got COVID-19 would automatically get saved from contracting the novel coronavirus."

www.indiatimes.com

As much as you may not want to acknowledge it, herd immunity is going to happen. Vaccine or no vaccine.

The only way it doesn't happen is if humans remain in isolation indefinitely. Which would obviously be far worse for the species than any disease this man has ever seen.

But, maybe you call that a win so long as no one catches a disease that the vast, VAST majority of people will simply cough off.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-06 04:54 AM | Reply

Here's the other thing we can talk about.

The US is in full re-open mode. The incidence rate is 259 per 100k

Germany is in full lock-down mode, and has been since November 03 2020. The incidence rate is 347 per 100k

This should come as no surprise given that we saw similar outcomes between locked-out California and free Florida.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-06 04:59 AM | Reply

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