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Tuesday, May 04, 2021

Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, the No. 3 House Republican, publicly rejected former President Donald Trump's most recent false charge that he would've won the 2020 election if not for "fraudulent" votes, her latest rebuke of the former president that has put her at odds with many members of her own party.



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"The 2020 presidential election was not stolen," Cheney tweeted on Monday. "Anyone who claims it was is spreading THE BIG LIE, turning their back on the rule of law, and poisoning our democratic system."

Cheney's remarks were in response to Trump, who said in a written statement on Monday, "The Fraudulent Presidential Election of 2020 will be, from this day forth, known as THE BIG LIE!"


Sure, Lil' Donnie. Whatever you say.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2021-05-04 12:25 AM | Reply

The Cheneys are tomorrow's Democrats.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-05-04 12:30 AM | Reply

Liz better beef up security to protect her and her family from the filth-smearing cop-killing supporters of the traitorous Dotard.

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-05-04 08:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Fraudulent "President" of the United States from 2017-2021 is the BIG LIE.

#4 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-05-04 10:22 AM | Reply

... Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, the No. 3 House Republican ...

McCarthy: GOP lawmakers concerned Cheney can't carry out the message'

...House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said Tuesday that his GOP caucus had voiced concerns about House Republican Conference Chair Liz Cheney's "ability to carry out" her leadership role " denying that intra-party frustrations with the No. 3 House Republican were rooted in her vote to impeach former President Donald Trump.

"There's no concern about how she voted on impeachment. That decision has been made," McCarthy (R-Calif.) told "Fox & Friends" in an interview. ...

imo, this intra-party kerfuffle is not going away anytime soon.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-04 10:34 AM | Reply

I hate Trump for making Liz Cheney look reasonable. She is a horrible person.

#6 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-05-04 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Another view...

House GOP leader cites rank-and-file concerns about Cheney

...House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy amplified the renewed pressure on No. 3 House Republican leader Liz Cheney on Tuesday, citing rank-and-file concerns about "her ability to carry out her job" after she traded insults with former President Donald Trump.

McCarthy's comments on the Fox News Channel underscored the continued, if not growing, hold that the former president has on the House GOP. Rather than standing by Cheney, McCarthy essentially landed himself in the camp of her critics, whose increasingly outspoken attacks on her suggest her hold on her leadership job may be in renewed peril.

"I have heard from members concerned about her ability to carry out her job as conference chair, to carry out the message," said McCarthy, R-Calif. "We all need to be working as one if we're able to win the majority. Remember, majorities are not given. They are earned." ...

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-04 11:11 AM | Reply

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy

has a backbone of jello.

#8 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-05-04 11:12 AM | Reply

has a backbone of jello.


He is jello. Lime.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2021-05-04 11:14 AM | Reply

Dammit Zed! I used to like lime jello.

#10 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-05-04 11:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

she has more balls than 99% of the male Republicans
put together...

#11 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-05-04 11:59 AM | Reply

A hundred years from now Political Scientists and other academics will look back at this drama when addressing the universal question of whether Truth matters in politics. The issue could not be laid more bare than it has been in this scenario with Trump's Big Lie.

#12 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-05-04 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thread is noteworthy for its lack of Republicans.
Today's Republicans look at today's other Republicans like they are the retarded cousin they have to accept in the family.
But what's interesting is both sides view the other as the retarded cousin.
Boaz thinks Eberly is retarded. Eberly thinks Boaz is retarded.

In my opinion, they are proving each other right. Boaz, for believing the lies. Eberly, for continuing to coddle the liars.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-04 01:14 PM | Reply

@#12 ... A hundred years from now Political Scientists and other academics will look back at this drama when addressing the universal question of whether Truth matters in politics. ...

There has always been an amount of prevarication in politics. It comes with the territory.

However, fmr Pres Trump raised deceit to a whole new level, orders of magnitude worse than it had been, in an attempt to create an alternate reality.

An alternate realty in which the only things that happen are those that he was (is) in favor of.

And the GOP seems to be following in his footsteps and joining fmr Pres Trump in that alternate reality.

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-04 01:31 PM | Reply

And the GOP seems to be following in his footsteps and joining fmr Pres Trump in that alternate reality.


I can report that my local GOP Representative (or at least his office, which I take as the same thing) sincerely believes that the lack of evidence there was electoral fraud in 2020 proved that Joe Biden stole the election.

I don't know how you fight such delusion. I'm not even sure it is delusion so much as a bloody-minded lie the GOP has decided to make the price of admission into their club.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2021-05-04 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Speaking of fmr Pres Trump, it looks like sometime after 9am EDT tomorrow (Wednesday) Facebook may release its decision whether or not fmr Pres Trump will be allowed back on Facebook.

If Facebook lets him back, will Twitter be far behind?

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-04 01:39 PM | Reply

Republicans better tread very carefully with Cheney. If they push her out or alienate her by sticking with Trump, she could really screw them over by running as an independent in 2024.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-04 01:46 PM | Reply

Republicans better tread very carefully


They are radicals who have lost that ability.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2021-05-04 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There is a distinct, but salient, difference between having the ability to create an alternate reality and actively courting an alternate reality. It's akin to a scientist deciding a conclusion and then fudging' an experiment to "prove" that conclusion. It's essentially gaslighting oneself. Once one decides to follow that path of "reasoning", anything (or nothing!) can be proven to be real. The danger for a society is not that "some" members of a society will engage in these mental gymnastics, but that a significant (even controlling) percentage will elect (no pun) to choose to go down that dead-end path.

#19 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2021-05-04 02:29 PM | Reply

#19, I would say that applies equally to adherents of Trumpism, CRT and $cientology.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-04 02:41 PM | Reply

McCarthy trashes Cheney on hot mic

...House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said Tuesday he's "lost confidence" in Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) during a moment of candor caught on a hot mic, a tape reviewed by Axios shows.

What he's saying: "I think she's got real problems," McCarthy told Steve Doocy off-air ahead of a live "Fox and Friends" interview. "I've had it with ... I've had it with her. You know, I've lost confidence. ... Well, someone just has to bring a motion, but I assume that will probably take place."...

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-04 04:51 PM | Reply

Op-Ed: Ex-Bush Speechwriter Says Trump's Lies About the 2020 Election Have Split Republicans into "Suckers" and "Liars"

...There are two camps of Republicans, says Michael Gerson, a former speechwriter for ex-President George W. Bush: "suckers" who fell for ex-president Donald Trump's falsehoods about the 2020 general election and "liars" who profit from promoting them.

"To be a loyal Republican, one must be either a sucker or a liar," he wrote in a Washington Post op-ed.

"And because this defining falsehood (about the election) is so obviously and laughably false, we can safely assume that most Republican leaders who embrace it fall into the second category," he continued. "Knowingly repeating a lie " an act of immorality " is now the evidence of Republican fidelity."

While Trump's conspiracy theories aren't "the moral equivalent of fascist propaganda," they constitute a "founding lie" that is "intended to remove followers from the messy world of facts and evidence."

"It is designed to replace critical judgment with personal loyalty. It is supposed to encourage distrust of every source of social authority opposed to the leader's shifting will," he observed.

The result, he said, pointing to the storming of the United States Capitol on January 6, was a group of followers who seemed "quite sincere" in their belief that the election was stolen despite a lack of any verifiable evidence.

Whether Trump actually believes his own lies remains to be seen: "When a congenital liar surrounds himself with sycophantic liars, he can easily lose radio contact with reality," he said, adding that Republican politicians who have embraced these lies "have the most to atone for."...

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-04 05:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From #22

"Knowingly repeating a lie -- an act of immorality -- is now the evidence of Republican fidelity."

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-04 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sorry folks but Donald Trump is not who destroyed the concept of honesty in the Republican Party. That honor falls on the shoulders of George W. Bush. Watch "Green Zone", now on Netflix and see how corrupt those pieces of filth actually are. Donald Trump just magnified the dishonesty and corruption to a new level and right wing media went right along with him. He is a dangerous menace who actually wants a coup to overthrow our democracy and every American who believes in democracy should oppose him with every ounce of strength they have or else be ok with a dictatorship. We should have a national conversation about how we somehow avoided a catastrophe by electing Joe Biden with a 7 million vote advantage. I have relatives who voted and supported Trump, they are stupid, they have always been stupid. They think their ideas are important but they can't tolerate any debate. Gee, I wonder why. Probably because they can't support any of their beliefs with fact. Comes back down to the fact that they are stupid. They do now and always have believed what they wanted to believe. They wanted to believe that our invasion of Iraq was justified by 9-11 even though Iraq wasn't any part of that attack. Doesn't matter, stupid people believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts. That is America today, you get enough stupid people believing enough lies you can accomplish almost anything. Republicans realized this when they elected Nixon and Reagan and they have capitalized on it ever since. I will just end by saying this, if you actually voted for Donald Trump you need to recognize the fact that you are stupid. That is a fact, an irrefutable fact. And I don't care who you are it's still just a fact.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2021-05-05 06:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Cheney absolutely believes everything she's been saying and writing of late. But she's also a canny enough politician to know that a handful of years from now it may also be viewed as some of the savviest political maneuvering in American history.

#25 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-05-05 06:40 PM | Reply

Incredible that common sense will turn out to be historically savvy political maneuvering.

The GOP has gone absolutely bonkers. They have no platform except Trump and extreme identity politics. Its not a winning strategy, especially long term. If I was a republican, I would be furious.

Best of luck to Cheney. Wyoming voters are either ranchers or energy people. Conservative, but not Q crazy. Of course their legislature did consider buying a battleship, so there is that.

#26 | Posted by horstngraben at 2021-05-06 01:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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