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Tuesday, May 04, 2021

In a rambling Facebook post, Huckabay, whose views often reflect the QAnon movement, claimed Hilferty and other conservative legislators were becoming indoctrinated by Communist beliefs. She also insisted slavery resulted in "hard working ethics" and "love and respect" between some enslaved people and slave owners.

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It's fascinatingly sad that we are still having this conversation. This is what happens when the sins of systemic racism are outed in public. This is the backlash, the attempt to control the narrative, the attempt to rewrite history, the attempt to revisit the same dead horse that Republicans refuse to bury.

Racism is truly the hill that Republicans will die upon.

#1 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-04 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This idiot Huckbay can zippity-do-da right the ---- out of here!

#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-04 03:18 PM | Reply

Huckabay? Is that supposed to be like cheap generic knockoff on a brand name, like Huckabee?

Clearly the whackos on the right aren't shy about saying the stupidest ---- just get attention and their name in the news, just like idiots competing in the fake-woke Olympics.

#3 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-04 03:37 PM | Reply

Live seen people treat their cars with love and act like they're alive.

I've also seen demolition derbies.

It's wrong to assume they were all relationships like she describes.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2021-05-04 03:45 PM | Reply

It's wrong to assume they were all relationships like she describes.
#4 | POSTED BY TOR

Even if they were, appearances can be deceiving:

The Sambo mentality and the Stockholm syndrome revisited: Another dimension to an examination of the plight of the African-American.
Discusses the psychological antecedents to the prevalent dependent behavioral pattern among African Americans, and the sociopsychological paradigms of the Sambo mentality (SM) and the Stockholm syndrome (STS). One element of the SM is the relationship that existed between slave and master. As a direct consequence of the nature of the slave's arrival in the US, the relationship degenerated to dependence and childlike attachment. According to the STS, this relationship may metamorphose into deep feelings of gratitude and positive regards. To minimize the SM and the STS among African Americans, the educational system must be harnessed to provide services in this endeavor; however, it is argued that unless the curriculum reflects an Afrocentric perspective, there is little hope for change.
psycnet.apa.org

#5 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-04 05:12 PM | Reply

"It's wrong to assume they were all relationships like she describes."

I don't believe she was saying that, but what she was saying is just as dumb. The guy she's supposedly defending was taken out of context and did not say what people claimed he said. She was not.

#6 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-04 06:07 PM | Reply

"just get attention and their name in the news"

This isn't a cry for attention.

It's an apology for white supremacy views.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-04 06:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's no need to make the horrors of slavery into an academic exercise.

There are so many anecdotal examples to choose from but I'm fond of a situation in which a slave owner and his slave both lost their respective wives to an epidemic.

The slave owner could do nothing to quell his own heartbreak so he went to a slave auction with his remaining slave and allowed his slave to pick a new wife who the owner then purchased for him.

I am fully aware how messed up that story is and that was a slave owner who clearly did care about his slave.

I don't care to think about situations in which the owner did not care for his slave.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2021-05-04 07:17 PM | Reply

I think all history should be taught with Alice Cooper's "Brutal Planet" playing in the background half the time and Andy Kaufman's "Friendly World" the other half of the time.

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-04 08:01 PM | Reply

I don't care to think about situations in which the owner did not care for his slave.
#8 | POSTED BY TOR

And that thought process breeds ignorance. I mean, why don't you just put on Disney's Song of the South and sing zippity-do-da?

Thanks, I guess.

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-04 08:02 PM | Reply

Oh look someone thinks that because I prefer not to think of slavery and it's wide spread rapes, castrations, breeding programs, infanticide, homicide, and worse that he's a good person.

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2021-05-04 09:46 PM | Reply

#11 | POSTED BY TOR

This is what you said: "I don't care to think about situations in which the owner did not care for his slave."

Seemingly, you prefer to perceive the pre-Civil War era as being more in line with Disney's Song of the South than 12 Years a Slave.

It speaks nothing about me. It speaks volumes about you.

#12 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-04 09:59 PM | Reply

When I think of slavery in history, I think of it as being akin to another horrid institution: human sacrifice. For example, just because the Aztecs practiced it, it does not mean that every facet of their society was all about it, nor that they were necessarily any more evil than those who overthrew them. If it did, then we'd be condemning most Mexicans as being a mixture of the worst of both worlds of the Aztecs and the Spanish Conquistadores.

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-04 10:12 PM | Reply

"For example, just because the Aztecs practiced it, it does not mean that every facet of their society was all about it"

Kinda depends on which end you're on, right? To the perpetrated, it's 100% of what "their society" was all about.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-04 10:21 PM | Reply

Seemingly you don't want to address my further educating you on just what I meant.

#15 | Posted by Tor at 2021-05-04 10:21 PM | Reply

"Kinda depends on which end you're on, right?"

From a historical perspective, no one looking back on it today is on either end of that, thankfully. But again, we need to be careful not to oversimplify it. Saying Aztec culture bad, cultures of the people they captured and sacrificed relatively good is just as problematic as saying Aztecs bad, Cortez's culture good.

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-04 10:45 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY TOR

You can zippidy-do-da the ---- outta here too.

#17 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-04 11:14 PM | Reply

Oh look another feeble attempt to cast yourself as a white savior against a non-existent white supremacist threat.

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2021-05-04 11:19 PM | Reply

Where's Boaz to do his Homer Simpson impersonation. "It's only funny because it's so true."

#19 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-05-04 11:43 PM | Reply

Sorry, I thought this was another dog thread.

#20 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-05-05 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"From a historical perspective, no one looking back on it today is on either end of that, thankfully."

What are you talking about? You are ABSOLUTELY looking at it from one end: the owner.

If you're the slave, that's as "100%" of your "society" as it gets.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-05 01:46 PM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY TOR

You have no idea what you're talking about.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-05 01:47 PM | Reply

"What are you talking about? You are ABSOLUTELY looking at it from one end: the owner."

What are you talking about? I've never had a stake in owning slaves nor committing human sacrifice, and I assume neither have you.

"If you're the slave, that's as "100%" of your "society" as it gets."

So we should judge all of Mexican society based on the very worst aspects of the two cultures it inherited? No, that's clearly wrong. Indigenous societies in the Americas were about far more than the slavery and human sacrifices they practiced, just like societies from and descended from other continents which practiced those things. There's really no place in a serious historical curriculum to give credence to the most extreme and biased views on either side of those equations when examining a society, including one's own.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-05 04:40 PM | Reply

"When I think of slavery in history, I think of it as being akin to another horrid institution"

Mmmm, that's good Whataboutism!

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-05 04:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So we should judge all of Mexican society based on the very worst aspects of the two cultures it inherited?"

What are you even talking about?
Not the GOP, and not the GOP State rep who said slavery was OK.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-05 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Mmmm, that's good Whataboutism!"

Mmm, that's lame trolling. Not even remotely Whataboutism.

"What are you even talking about?"

Don't worry your little head. This is all beyond you, obviously.

#26 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-05 05:04 PM | Reply

Nat Turner loved them to death. You people are sick.

#27 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-05-05 06:24 PM | Reply

"What are you talking about?"

"When I think of slavery in history, I think of it as being akin to another horrid institution"

THAT. You think of it as a horrid institution perpetrated by and on someone else. And then suggest that wasn't all of society. It certainly was for the slave. Hence my comment about the sharp end of the stick.

"So we should judge all of Mexican society based on the very worst aspects of the two cultures it inherited?"

If you're the slave, there is no other way to judge.

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-05 10:58 PM | Reply

"THAT. You think of it as a horrid institution perpetrated by and on someone else. And then suggest that wasn't all of society. It certainly was for the slave. Hence my comment about the sharp end of the stick."

Whatever point you're trying to make here, you're not making it clearly at all. It sounds like you're suggesting all slaves had a homogenous view of the society within which they were enslaved and that there was no significant variance over time and location. You don't really believe that slaves (or anyone who gets the sharp end of the stick) are incapable of perceiving there's more to a society than their personal interactions with it, do you?

"If you're the slave, there is no other way to judge."

So, you're saying the answer is yes about Mexicans?

#29 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-06 10:50 AM | Reply

"It sounds like you're suggesting all slaves had a homogenous view of the society"

It sounds like you're an apologist for slavery. Once in chains, if you're not the lead dog the view never changes.

"you're saying the answer is yes about Mexicans?"

Certainly from the slave's point of view.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-06 10:58 AM | Reply

"You don't really believe that slaves (or anyone who gets the sharp end of the stick) are incapable of perceiving there's more to a society than their personal interactions with it, do you?"

I'm pretty sure slaves could figure out they were owned by free people.

Though, to be fair, I'm sure some didn't question it. The way you don't question it.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-06 11:26 AM | Reply

"It sounds like you're an apologist for slavery."

How absurd. Taking issue with your claim that slavery or human sacrifice existing within a society necessarily represents "all of [that] society" in no way implies that.

#32 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-06 11:35 AM | Reply

"your claim that slavery or human sacrifice existing within a society necessarily represents "all of [that] society" in no way implies that."

You're pretending there is no difference between dinner guest and dinner. And you can only imagine the feast from the point of the diner.

If you're the main course, your "view" of the society is markedly...shall I say, different?

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-06 11:45 AM | Reply

Whatabout human sacrifice!

Oh I see.
You mean like lynching.
What does lynching say about post-slavery American society, Sentinel?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-06 12:06 PM | Reply

"You're pretending there is no difference between dinner guest and dinner."

No I'm not. You, on the other hand, are literally saying that an entire society or group can be judged on the basis of a subset of that group or society. It's really no different than what the Spaniards did to justify their actions when they destroyed the leading indigenous culture in central Mexico.

#35 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-06 04:24 PM | Reply

Hey Sentinel,

Aren't you basically telling us it's unfair to judge Brock Turner by just 20 minutes of his life?

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-06 05:27 PM | Reply

Looks like Sentinel took his ball-gag off. Holmes, if I have to tell you one more time, I'm breaking out the celery stalk and feather duster.

#37 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-05-06 06:30 PM | Reply

"You, on the other hand, are literally saying that an entire society or group can be judged on the basis of a subset of that group or society."

You're a moron. I never said anything of the sort.

I said to a slave, their view doesn't depend on whether or not YOU patronizingly feel their existence is "akin" to human sacrifice. To a slave, the totality of their society CAN be judged through the lens of their slavery.

"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
~Lincoln

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-06 11:44 PM | Reply

" You're a moron. I never said anything of the sort."

You're a moron. That's exactly what you've been saying. You can't defend your viewpoint, so you're projecting BS onto mine.

#39 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-07 05:15 AM | Reply

Me: compares slavery to human sacrifice
Retort trolls and morons: insinuate this is somehow a defense of or argument for slavery

#40 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-07 05:33 AM | Reply

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Which is why I have to fight the urge to accuse people of phony outrage when they constantly shout "racist" as if there is no other argument to be made.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2021-05-07 09:12 AM | Reply

"That's exactly what you've been saying"

I get it; reading and comprehension aren't your strong suits.

"Me: compares slavery to human sacrifice"

As an observer to both. And totally ignorant of the fact the view from the slave is vastly different than your paternalistic pronouncements.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-07 10:08 AM | Reply

"your paternalistic pronouncements"

Who's your daddy?

Apparently me, based on how you interpret my reasonable observations as paternalistic pronouncements.

#43 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-07 10:32 AM | Reply

"my reasonable observations"

From one decidedly pointed view.

What did "the society" look like to that night's dinner? What did "the society" look like in the 11th Year a Slave?

My response to your "Oh, the society had more than just human sacrifice" is not to the sacrifice.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-07 01:01 PM | Reply

"Apparently me"

Okay, let's chalk up "paternalistic" as another word you don't understand.

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-07 01:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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