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Tuesday, May 11, 2021

For some Americans, history isn't the story of what actually happened; it's the story they want to believe.

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Clint Smith @ClintSmithIII

Before the pandemic, I traveled to one of the largest Confederate cemeteries in the country & spent the day with the Sons of Confederate Veterans to understand how the Lost Cause lives on.

When I was there, I listened as members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans told me a story about the Civil War and American history that was very different than the one I knew, different than the one that was grounded in reality.

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#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-05-10 10:06 PM | Reply

A couple sides of my family were in the CSA.

By the time Truman integrated the military the actual kids and grandkids of confederates agreed it was high time for society to move on.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2021-05-10 10:15 PM | Reply

We need more museums like the Whitney Plantation, which Smith writes about visiting at the end of the article:

Like Blandford Cemetery, the Whitney Plantation in Louisiana has a church. It is large and white and flaked with a thin coat of dirt. The door whistles as it opens, and the wooden floor moans under your feet as you step inside. There are no stained-glass windows here.

Instead, scattered throughout the church's interior"standing next to the pews, sitting on the floor, hiding in the corners"are statues. There are more than two dozen of them, life-size sculptures of children with eyes like small, empty planets. The boys wear shorts or overalls; the girls, simple dresses. When I saw them I was startled because, at first glance, I thought they were real. Each one was so alive despite its inanimateness, intricately detailed from the contours of the lips to the bridge of the nose. They look like they're listening, or waiting. They are The Children of Whitney, designed for the plantation by the artist Woodrow Nash.

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-05-10 10:31 PM | Reply

"For some Americans, history isn't the story of what actually happened; it's the story they want to believe."

Welcome to Fantasyland. Where you get to believe what you want to believe.

For more details read Kurt Anderson's Fantasyland, a 500 year history of how America went haywire.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-05-10 10:32 PM | Reply

When you're born, you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat.

--George Carlin

#5 | Posted by madscientist at 2021-05-11 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You don't need to guess what the Civil War was about. Each of the states of the Confederacy produced an article of secession explaining exactly why they were leaving the Union. They're all available on line. They put a lot of effort in to these to be sure everyone understood why they were leaving the Union. You don't need to listen to any politicians or pundits. You can read their own words.

#6 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2021-05-11 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

>>You don't need to guess what the Civil War was about. Each of the states of the Confederacy produced an article of secession explaining exactly why they were leaving the Union. They're all available on line. They put a lot of effort in to these to be sure everyone understood why they were leaving the Union. You don't need to listen to any politicians or pundits. You can read their own words.

And from the article:
"The Lost Cause asks us to ignore this evidence. Besides, it argues, slavery wasn't even that bad."

#7 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-05-11 11:10 AM | Reply

"an article of secession"

You know that's not the same thing as a declaration of war, right?

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-11 11:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

They live on because of culture. Many of the nations that slaves were taken from had implemented slavery and displaced lots of their own race. But you don't see Americans asking black people to denounce their culture because of it. Hell, enslavement and oppression is still happening today in Africa in some nations where black people were taken from...I don't hear Liberals asking black people to denounce their origins or their ancestors because of it. I know Liberals like to keep quiet about anything that conflicts with their narrative but you can go back in history and find that any race of people were enslaved at one point or another, white people included. But that doesn't get votes for Dems so they don't bring it up. Yes, it was a travesty of our history to enslave anyone. We righted that wrong. The 21st century race war that Dems have created has nothing to do with helping that progression and everything to do with power. So, yes, the Confederate culture is going to live on because it was an ancestral culture. It didn't stand only for enslavement, much like the black culture doesn't only stand for the violence they glorify as art. Nothing wrong with it, it just doesn't define their culture. So there is nothing wrong with it. Just like there is nothing wrong with the Confederate culture. It's only the extremists (ones with low IQ for the most part) that cause a problem.

#9 | Posted by humtake at 2021-05-11 11:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

Oh, great. Now, along with Republican Math, we have Republican History.

My favorite chapter is the one about Antifa attacking the Capitol on January 6th.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-05-11 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Nothing wrong with it, it just doesn't define their culture. So there is nothing wrong with it. Just like there is nothing wrong with the Confederate culture.

#9 | Posted by humtake

Replace CONFEDERATE with NAZI. Does your "logic" still apply?

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-05-11 11:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

When you've got nothing, dance with the straw man.

#12 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-11 11:45 AM | Reply

"Confederate culture is going to live on because it was an ancestral culture. "

So how was "Confederate culture" markedly different from typical American culture in 1861?

#13 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2021-05-11 12:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey humbug, you do realize that those African "nations" didn't exist before they were created by European powers? I suggest you look up the term "colonialism" and have someone read you the definition.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-05-11 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"The south shall rise again."

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-05-11 12:20 PM | Reply

"So, yes, the Confederate culture is going to live on because it was an ancestral culture. It didn't stand only for enslavement"

No one is asking Southerners to reject their Southern culture,/heritage just the racist aspects of it. If your ancestral hero is someone like Nathan Bedford Forest and you are fighting to keep his statue in the public square, you need to ask yourself why:

Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Confederate cavalry commander during the American Civil War. He and his troops were responsible for the massacre of Black Union troops stationed at Fort Pillow, Tennessee, in April 1864, and he was the first grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

www.britannica.com

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-05-11 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Hey humbug, you do realize that those African "nations" didn't exist before they were created by European powers?"

Many of the African nations of today and their borders didn't exist in the same form back then, but there were definitely different nation states who were often at war with each other. Many of them practiced the same type of slavery that the Romans, Vikings and Arabs did when they captured enemies or new territories. Things really went downhill when they had to trade slaves for new technology to keep up with their rivals who were doing the same thing.

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#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-11 01:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Portugal.

#18 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-05-11 01:48 PM | Reply

Islam.

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-11 01:56 PM | Reply

Islam had a navy?

#20 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-05-11 01:57 PM | Reply

Surprised?

islamciv.com

en.wikipedia.org

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-11 02:20 PM | Reply

Wherever you look there is a history of slavery or indentured servitude. Systematic abuse of people.

Romans.
Egyptians.
Greeks.
Vikings.
Aztecs.
Mayans.
Japanese.
Arabs.
Chinese.
Americans.

The question is when was an end put to it and what do the people think of it today. Everywhere you look in this world today people are still abused and kept either in virtual or actual slavery. What the people of nations and cultures do about it says a lot about them.

You want to talk "Southern Culture" let's talk about it. Sure there was a good thing or two, but that isn't what they are fighting to preserve now is it? And when did some of these things become "Southern Culture"? For instance statues honoring the likes of Nathan Bedford Forrest? The 1920s? 1930s? That's just racism rearing its head and seeking to force black people to be subservient and "slave like" like in the "good ole days" of southern "culture".

Look at today and it isn't only blacks. It's also Central Americans, Asians, etc. Good ole southern values and culture at work.

#22 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-05-11 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They've been coddled. Period.

#23 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-05-11 05:55 PM | Reply

Why Confederate Lies Live on?

American Exceptionalism.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-11 05:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#24 | Posted by snoofy

Egg-fuggin-zactly.

Posted by sentinel

What a dooshnozzle.

#25 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-05-11 07:10 PM | Reply

"Posted by angrydad"

It's funny that I've never seen you post anything useful or relevant to any discussion, ever. Is there something specific I wrote that you take issue with, or are you just name-calling for fun?

#26 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-11 07:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

There is a big difference between the many historical institutions of slavery and racialized chattel slavery, and if you pretend otherwise, you are either lying, stupid, or need to read a ------- book.

#27 | Posted by lehkost at 2021-05-12 01:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let the south and all those republican electoral votes become thier own nation. Our peoples are far too different and without the south, republicans would have close to zero power nationally in America.
If they go full ------ and reinstall slavery we could boycott them until nobody cared what they think.

#28 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2021-05-12 03:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

If you think racialized chattel slavery was invented in the U.S., or that any of the other types of multi-generational slavery were/are any less worse, then you may need to do some reading.

#29 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-12 09:39 AM | Reply

If you think racialized chattel slavery was invented in the U.S., or that any of the other types of multi-generational slavery were/are any less worse, then you may need to do some reading.

#29 | Posted by sentinel

News flash - other countries have had evil leaders too. Good thing our good guys defeated our bad guys. But the defeated bad guys are STILL trying to keep former slave races from voting. Are they doing that in other countries too?

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-05-12 04:35 PM | Reply

There are still countries today where people are born into chattel slavery. Many of them are the legacy of the 1300-year slave trade by Arab Muslims. Look up Mauritania and Sudan.

There are also parts of India which combine slavery with their caste system.

And others.

www.washingtonpost.com

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-12 06:57 PM | Reply

"bad guys are STILL trying to keep former slave races from voting"

News flash: bad guys exist in every country. But we don't define all Chinese culture by the ugliest Chinaman, do we?

#32 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-12 07:00 PM | Reply

Of course we do! How ignorant of you to think otherwise! The worst element defines our enemies, never our friends.

#33 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-05-12 07:09 PM | Reply

After the Civil war nearly all Americans had come to the conclusion that black people were probably NOT inferior. This was actually a change from just 5 years earlier when most Americans really did believe that Blacks were fundamentally deficient, even though most believed they didn't deserve slavery. There is no other way to explain the 14th and 15th amendments.
Thus, after the war, southern gentlemen were presented with a dilemma. How could they justify the real reason for the war they just fought when the entire nation realized it was a sham reason? So they set about re-writing the reason for the war. And over time, since northern historians didn't have a bone to pick on this issue, the southern explanation became dominant even in the north.
But since original documents and newspaper headlines exist from those days, we can now know the truth. But that doesn't change the motivation of many southerners to deny the truth in order to be able to honor their own heritage and ancestors.

#34 | Posted by prius04 at 2021-05-12 07:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Slavery was one of the the reasons they seceded. If we truly believe secession is an act of war, then we'd better launch a preemptive attack on California.

Who declared war on whom? (Yes, I know about Fort Sumter, but South Carolina had already seceded months earlier, it's within their borders, and it wasn't a surprise attack.)

It's good that the end of the civil war resulted in the abolition of slavery, but it's at best an oversimplification to say that's all the war was about, especially since Lincoln's own words contradicted it early on and he didn't make the Emancipation Proclamation until almost two years later.

#35 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-12 07:39 PM | Reply

Sentinel is a living, breathing example of why Confederate lies live on:

Because White Supremacists in America number approximately 50 million.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-12 07:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

We used to call the Civil War the Great Rebellion.

That was a better name. Civil War hides who rebelled against whom, and why.

We whitewashed our own history. For the comfort of racist whites, and to the detriment of the nation.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-12 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy is a predictable, robotic example of how the Turing Test fails.

If Snoofy is an actual person, then he's one of the White Supremacists that he sees in his head...

#38 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-12 08:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Snoofy's number comes from Rev. James M. Lawson. How he came by that number is unclear.

#39 | Posted by Karabekian at 2021-05-12 08:33 PM | Reply

#9 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Look up Jim Crow you ------- ------.

And it's not just about slaver. It's about slaver AND being traitorous losers.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2021-05-12 09:50 PM | Reply

"an article of secession"
You know that's not the same thing as a declaration of war, right?

#8 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

How about shelling a federal military installation?

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2021-05-12 09:51 PM | Reply

It's good that the end of the civil war resulted in the abolition of slavery, but it's at best an oversimplification to say that's all the war was about

Sure, there were multiple facets to it. Slavery was a root of most all of them.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2021-05-12 09:58 PM | Reply

"Confederate culture is going to live on because it was an ancestral culture."

Racism is here, and it's here to stay.

Thoughts and prayers.
Nothing can be done.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-13 01:07 AM | Reply

"It's good that the end of the civil war resulted in the abolition of slavery but"

Interesting angle.

Tell us,

What bad things came about because of the Civil War? Other than the destruction caused by the war itself, of course.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-13 01:10 AM | Reply

Reconstruction ended years too early. The Southern traitors needed to be brought to their knees for good.

#45 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-05-13 04:40 AM | Reply

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