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Sunday, May 16, 2021

Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt was kicked off a commission established to mark the 100th anniversary of the Tulsa massacre on Friday, just one week after he signed a bill banning racism in public schools.

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I wonder how many people on the commission believe the outright lie that the bill he signed would ban teaching about the Tulsa massacre, even though he specifically made a statement that it wouldn't.

#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-15 05:52 PM | Reply

"banning racism"

There you go. Problem solved. Just like we banned school shootings, so now they don't ever happen any more.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-15 06:33 PM | Reply

The symbolic gesture of kicking him off the commission is as stupid as an anti-bullying group kicking someone out for supporting a law against violence in schools.

#3 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-16 11:40 AM | Reply

It's a ridiculous law.

It makes attempting to remedy racism and gender discrimination illegal (all course work that contains diversity training for instance, is now illegal, it can only be "voluntary"), but then the same law turns around and prohibits teaching racism and gender discrimination.

So if some kid says something racist in class, nothing can be said?

Like I said, I've read the law 3 times over now and it is ridiculous. It's a "have and eat cake" law.

#4 | Posted by YAV at 2021-05-16 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This moron could have a hard time getting re-elected. Two years before the election the local paper here in OKC reported less than half of Republican voters supported Stitt for a second term. He was elected by claiming to be a smart businessman but only one of those terms might be used to describe Kevin, and smart' isn't the term...

#5 | Posted by catdog at 2021-05-16 02:39 PM | Reply

"It makes attempting to remedy racism and gender discrimination illegal (all course work that contains diversity training for instance, is now illegal, it can only be "voluntary"),"

Again, this is nonsense. The text of the bill prohibits "mandatory gender or sexual diversity training or counseling". There's no mention of race in that section.

And, it's an unreasonable stretch to equate "training or counseling" on a specific topic and bringing up a topic incidentally, in either case.

"but then the same law turns around and prohibits teaching racism and gender discrimination."

And why are they doing this? Because teaching racism and gender discrimination have in fact been a feature of many so-called diversity "training or counseling" workshops. I've seen it myself, both first hand and from the account of someone I put through school.

#6 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-16 02:49 PM | Reply

"Because teaching racism and gender discrimination have in fact been a feature of many so-called diversity "training or counseling" workshops"

???

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-16 02:54 PM | Reply

???

It's Sentinel.

The swastika rehabilitation guy.

You can't expect anything from him other than blatant white supremacy.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-05-16 03:00 PM | Reply

"???"

Are we just pretending Robin DiAngelo and her ilk don't exist, or did your memory cache overflow again?

"The swastika rehabilitation guy.
You can't expect anything from him other than blatant white supremacy."

Ah, we're doing this again. Thanks for backing up my point.

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-16 03:11 PM | Reply

we're doing this again.

Doing what again.

Calling you out for being a white supremacist?

When did that stop?

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-05-16 03:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

When did you stop drinking your own Faygo?

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-16 03:29 PM | Reply

Never drink your own Faygo.

Especially when so many people are offering theirs.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-05-16 03:35 PM | Reply

Robin DiAngelo.
Author of "White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism."

This is what's being banned?

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-16 03:52 PM | Reply

Did you mean

"Because teaching racism and gender discrimination exist have in fact been a feature of many so-called diversity "training or counseling" workshops"

???

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-16 04:19 PM | Reply

There's no mention of race in that section.
I'd recommend reading the very first section to the end:

A. 1. No enrolled student of an institution of higher
education within The Oklahoma State System of Higher Education shall
be required to engage in any form of mandatory gender or sexual
diversity training or counseling; provided, voluntary counseling
shall not be prohibited. Any orientation or requirement that
presents any form of race or sex stereotyping or a bias on the basis
of race or sex shall be prohibited.
Entire bill:
webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2021-05-16 05:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Any orientation or requirement that
presents any form of race or sex stereotyping or a bias on the basis
of race or sex shall be prohibited."

So you're effectively saying presenting stereotypes and bias on the basis of race is sex is not only a valid way to "remedy racism and gender discrimination", but the only way. Screw that.

Most people can see that "presenting any form of race or sex stereotyping or a bias on the basis of race or sex" is not at all the same thing as talking about historical or contemporary examples of racism or sexism.

Diversity training does not need to present stereotypes or bias. All it really needs is empathy and mindfulness.

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-16 06:45 PM | Reply

It's hard to believe how much white people don't want to hear about racism. You'd think they were the victims.

#17 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-05-16 06:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"Diversity training does not need to present stereotypes or bias."

So, diversity training couldn't talk about swastikas?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-16 06:53 PM | Reply

Diversity training does not need to present stereotypes or bias. All it really needs is empathy and mindfulness.
#16 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

The only equity training I've taken (through the education system in Southern California) included all of the above. The curriculum provided the emphasis on empathy and mindfulness while the participants provided examples of stereotypes and bias for the group to discuss.

Each of us, regardless of skin color, were provided opportunities to share.

At least for the participants in my workshops, everyone got a lot out of the experience. It was worthwhile and everyone seemed to learn something significant.

Just throwing out my single anecdote for consideration.

#19 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-16 06:57 PM | Reply

"Diversity training does not need to present stereotypes or bias."

Do you even hear yourself?

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2021-05-16 07:52 PM | Reply

And leftists want to charge the BS...

It is, what it is.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-05-16 08:00 PM | Reply

Do you even hear yourself?

#20 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2021-05-16 07:52 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

good question! did you digest it yourself?

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-05-16 08:02 PM | Reply

" Do you even hear yourself?"

Do you think it's okay to present stereotyping or bias as methods to learn, or as underlying assumptions in the material being taught? That is what this is about. (c.f. the white culture diagram that appeared on the Smithsonian web site not long ago, www.miamiherald.com or the Coca Cola training material, which was posted here more recently.)

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-16 09:01 PM | Reply

"Smithsonian museum apologizes for saying hard work, rational thought is white culture'"

Doesn't this bill prevent discussion about that?
What they are discussing can be traced back to the Protestant Work Ethic.
Should a discussion about the Protestant Work Ethic as a contemporary cultural myth be off-limits?

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-16 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Presenting any type of work ethic as being unique or an inherent feature to a specific race or sex should be off limits.

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-17 09:46 AM | Reply

What is gained by denying the existence of the Protestant Work Ethic?

What is gained by denying Asian immigrants are apt to succeed in America because of a strong work ethic, culture of education, and family ties?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-17 10:09 AM | Reply

#26 is literally arguing in favor of promoting "positive stereotypes".

Thanks for coming out, racist.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-17 10:15 AM | Reply

In that case, surely you explain why acknowledging the existence of stereotypes is an act of racism.

Let's have that explanation.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-17 10:19 AM | Reply

#28 - That was well done, though I think it may have gone over his head.

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2021-05-17 01:49 PM | Reply

Pretty embarrassing. One hundred years after one of the most horrendous racial attacks in American history the Governor is signing laws limiting the ability of schools to teach about race related issues. Most 3rd World countries and dictatorships are more progressive than Oklahoma at this point.

#30 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-05-17 02:38 PM | Reply

This is embarrassing:

www.seattle.gov
pyxis.nymag.com

Might as well give students charts about 'Jew Culture'.

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-17 06:01 PM | Reply

Opinion: There is no 'White culture'

In fact, the very idea that cultural practices belong to racial groups misunderstands both race and culture.

Thankfully, the museum removed the document in response to widespread criticism. But it reflects a fairly common misconception that races are defined by distinctive cultural practices and norms.

The problems with this idea are apparent in the chart's opening statement, which insists that "we have all internalized some aspects of White culture -- including people of color.

The obvious conclusion to be drawn from this is that "White culture" is really the culture of people of color too but instead the chart suggests that White people, who "still hold most of the institutional power in America," imposed their culture on everyone else.

Because there is no White culture -- only American culture -- people of color deserve their share of the blame as well as of the credit.

We bear some of the responsibility for an ethic of "rugged individualism" that, at its worst, has fostered alienation and selfishness; if the veneration of the nuclear family has stigmatized other ways of caring and physical intimacy, we get some of the blame for that too.

That's what it means to be a vital part of a culture and a civilization -- not to have "internalized" it as passive victims but to have been a part of it in all of its glory and horror.

#32 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-17 06:09 PM | Reply

That's what it means to be a vital part of a culture and a civilization -- not to have "internalized" it as passive victims but to have been a part of it in all of its glory and horror.

#32 | Posted by sentinel

If there is no white culture why are all those stupid racist trump supporters screaming about their culture being replaced by immigrants?

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-05-17 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Might as well give students charts about 'Jew Culture'."

And what would be wrong with that? Some students get the Jewish holidays off from public school. Is it wrong to tell the non-Jews what Yom Kippur is?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-17 06:26 PM | Reply

"If, as the great Black philosopher, activist and sociologist W.E.B. DuBois noted at the very beginning of the American century, Black folk created "the only American music," they also did more than their part to shape a shared American culture."

Yeah and then whites burned it to the ground.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-17 06:45 PM | Reply

"Might as well give students charts about 'Jew Culture'."
And what would be wrong with that?

#34 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Thanks for coming out, bigot.

#36 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-05-17 10:47 PM | Reply

I'll ask again:

And what would be wrong with that? Some students get the Jewish holidays off from public school. Is it wrong to tell the non-Jews what Yom Kippur is?

Is it wrong that Christmas is a Federal holiday?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 10:47 AM | Reply

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