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Monday, May 17, 2021

Former US Navy pilot Ryan Graves told CBS's 60 Minutes that pilots training off the US coast sighted UFOs nearly every day.

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#1 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-05-17 02:37 PM | Reply

What a shock! As Asian nations, especially China, develop more advanced air forces and space programs we now observe more UFOs. What could possibly be the reason for that?

#2 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-05-17 02:49 PM | Reply

Unless China stole the technology from us, they don't have it.

#3 | Posted by FSUknowit at 2021-05-17 06:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It seems highly unlikely that anything made on Earth can perform the maneuvers the two Navy pilots and others saw UAP/UFO's do. Drop 80,000 feet in a second, or travel 60 miles in a minute ...

#4 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-05-17 07:04 PM | Reply

@#2 ... we now observe more UFOs ...

We've been observing UFOs for decades.

The big change with more recent sightings of the past few years is that it is not the career kiss of death for pilots to report the sightings.


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-17 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

3 True. If China had this tech, they would already have invaded Taiwan.

#6 | Posted by Karabekian at 2021-05-17 07:27 PM | Reply

;#5 The big change came in 2015 when these thing really started to swarm. Before then it was pretty periodic, now it's major. Nobody is denying anymore. I think the growing conviction is that they doing "threat assessment"?

As in, something is about to hit the fan.

#7 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-05-17 07:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

UFO Footage Defies Physics

www.youtube.com

OK, I admit it... that was me on my custom Trans-Medium jet ski.

Sorry for all the fuss!

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2021-05-17 08:02 PM | Reply

"I'm not telling you that it doesn't sound wacky. What I'm telling you, it's real," says Luis Elizondo

And what I'm asking you is, where the ---- is your neck?

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-05-17 08:11 PM | Reply

Yay! Time to hitch hike across the Galaxy.

So. Don't panic!

And don't forget your towel.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-05-17 08:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DOD is due to report to the Senate next month an unclassified report what it knows about this.

I will predict the DOD will tell nothing and disobey the Senate.

This information is already considered such a super secret the Commander in Chief is not qualified to have access.

They aren't going to release any information of any substance.

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-17 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

These things are reported to travel from 80000 feet to the surface in under a second.

#12 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-17 09:38 PM | Reply

@#11 ... This information is already considered such a super secret the Commander in Chief is not qualified to have access. ...

Link?

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-17 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson

I would have NW'd that a year ago, but things have changed: the cat is very definitely out of the bag. There was no way to keep this a secret, and everybody is seeing them now.

This could just be another saucer wave though. Tourist season, again. This time it's just these things instead of the last latest model or whatever.

#14 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-05-17 09:55 PM | Reply

#13 | Posted by LampLighter

Jimmy Carter during the 1976 Campaign:

"One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky. If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public, and the scientists. I am convinced that UFOs exist because I've seen one."

Jimmy Carter after the 1976 Campaign:

"".

#15 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-05-17 10:11 PM | Reply

Lamp,

Trump added a provision to the stimulus package giving them 6 months to report to Senate to get this information.

I saw where Clinton claimed he tried to get information and couldn't.

I've seen so much and read so many things I don't remember where I've seen what.

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-17 10:12 PM | Reply

@#14 ... There was no way to keep this a secret, and everybody is seeing them now. ...

You imply that this has been going on for years, but only since "everybody" is seeing them that it cannot be kept a secret any longer.

Gee, that sounds a lot like the evidence created by the ubiquity of smartphone cameras, and the videos that "everybody" is seeing nowadays.

Jus' sayin'

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-17 10:14 PM | Reply

Hel,

It's going to be leaked information and not officially released reports we learn the most.

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-17 10:18 PM | Reply

@#16 ... I've seen so much and read so many things I don't remember where I've seen what. ...

Thanks for the reply.

I do like to read the original articles because I like to dive deeper into those articles.

Many times I learn more from the secondary sources than I learn from the original articles.

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-17 10:18 PM | Reply

Couldn't resist...

Klaatu - Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft
www.youtube.com

Creedence Clearwater Revival - It Came Out Of The Sky
www.youtube.com


#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-17 10:36 PM | Reply

The female pilot's aircraft was completely unarmed. She was of the mindset that should the tic tac craft show hostility, the only offensive maneuver would be for her to crash her jet into the object. I highly doubt military is willing to risk putting their highly trained, qualified combat pilots into situations where they are actively positioning themselves to commit suicide and destroy multimillion dollar aircraft just to test out some new technology.

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-17 11:50 PM | Reply

It's going to be leaked information and not officially released reports we learn the most.
#18 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

This has been the truth so far.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-17 11:51 PM | Reply

"Former US Navy pilot Ryan Graves told CBS's 60 Minutes that pilots training off the US coast sighted UFOs nearly every day."

See what had happen'd was the pilots all saw the same balloon blowing in the wind nearly every day.

#23 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-17 11:53 PM | Reply

@#21 ... I highly doubt military is willing to risk putting their highly trained, qualified combat pilots into situations where they are actively positioning themselves to commit suicide and destroy multimillion dollar aircraft ...

I sort of agreed with you, until you focused upon the cost of the aircraft.

You lost me there. Seems to be an unnecessary deflection.

@#23 ...See what had happen'd was the pilots all saw the same balloon blowing in the wind nearly every day. ...

That attempt to explain what was seen does not seem to co relate with what was seen.

More bluntly... try harder.

thx.

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-05-18 12:22 AM | Reply

UFO's? Pshhht... obviously everyone has lost their minds.

The only logical explanation is that these are angels of the Lord.

They move like nothing else in this world because they are not of this world...they came from Heaven, duh!

And logically, as Angels of light, only the truly saved mortals can see the Angels' heavenly bodies in full glorious splendor! Everyone else is, at best, lukewarm in faith and fortunate to be blessed with these brief glimpses.

This is how the Lord has provided a way for true believers to recognize other true believers from the ordinary beliebers and preventing their infiltration of His flock as the flock prepares for the great persecution and final tribulation.

8)

#25 | Posted by FSUknowit at 2021-05-18 12:36 AM | Reply

- NOWIT

How apropos a name.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2021-05-18 12:48 AM | Reply

Before aliens, people would see the devil. Yawn, can we evolve faster, please? Our minds can sometimes show us what we expect to see. Also, some of the other video images are lens flairs. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Otherwise, just ignore the raving monkeys.

#27 | Posted by Brennnn at 2021-05-18 03:53 AM | Reply

Our leaders (the best leaders) job is to keep the panic down. Unlike some gossip queen on social media.

#28 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-05-18 07:05 AM | Reply

"Our leaders (the best leaders) job is to keep the panic down. "

Like Trumpy did with the pandemic?

So in other words ... We have to wait until another 500,000 Americans are abducted by Aliens before we can admit it's real and take preventive measures?

That sucks.

Should we also call this a Dem Hoax then so the people don't "panic"?

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-05-18 10:17 AM | Reply

Lamp,

I've also read different branches of the military and different groups that gather intelligence do not share information as you might think should be going on.

They are all concerned they might share information but not reciprocated which may be true.

#30 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-18 10:19 AM | Reply

"Like Trumpy did with the pandemic?"

No matter what the top is is, Trump's name bubbles to the surface every time like liquid gold.

#31 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-05-18 10:50 AM | Reply

Trump's name bubbles to the surface every time like liquid gold.

#31 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Yup. Trumpy is like a turd in the punch bowl. It always floats to the top.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-05-18 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Otherwise, just ignore the raving monkeys.
#27 | POSTED BY BRENNNN

Commander Fravor is on line two.

#33 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 12:26 PM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

If you don't think the cost of equipment is taken into consideration during military decision making, you're a bit naive.

And the reference to balloons is exactly what people are chalking the 'sightings' as, even when the pilots have a 'sighting' everyday for two years. Hence, it must be the same ------' balloon, right?

#34 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 12:28 PM | Reply

Mulder summed it up perfectly. "I want to believe".

Just give us some solid evidence that can be corroborated and peer reviewed. Otherwise, all we got is "I want to believe".

#35 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-05-18 12:30 PM | Reply

Just give us some solid evidence that can be corroborated and peer reviewed. Otherwise, all we got is "I want to believe".
#35 | POSTED BY MODER8

What in the hell do you think all of this is about? We're not talking about some ufologist's latest batch of photos found on reddit. This is a whistle blower exposing the military's acknowledgement that unknown vehicles are entering and exiting U.S. air space with impunity. That's an unprecedented admission. Point is, something is there and there's no good reason to believe it is controlled by U.S. personnel or any of our adversaries simply based off evidence of the crafts' maneuverability. IOW, solid evidence has been leaked from the military and the reason we can classify it as solid is based on the corroboration provided by credible, trained, and qualified eye-witness testimony and data from other instrumentation.

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 12:39 PM | Reply

Rsty, there is nothing that has been alien objects that we know of which have been laboratory tested nor peer reviewed. It is all speculative at this point. Albeit, speculation based on a lot of both anecdotal evidence and some photographic accounts.

The funny thing is that I, similar to Jimmy Carter, have in fact seen a UFO and to this day I can give not rational explanation for what it was. As I say, I want to believe.

#37 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-05-18 01:13 PM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY MODER8

You asked for solid evidence that can be peer reviewed. That's what has been leaked. I'm not saying it's aliens, I'm saying it's the closest evidence we have that COULD suggest aliens. The only group that has the capability to properly track these objects AND chase down these objects (relatively speaking) is the military. They are now the most equipped and credible ufologists on the planet, which they have finally acknowledged.

Big news.

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 01:25 PM | Reply

Until we shoot one of them down or they shoot one of ours down, it's all lens flares, swamp gas, and shrooms.

#39 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-05-18 01:29 PM | Reply

Rsty, respectfully (because I am not looking to mock your desire to believe) but there has been nothing peer reviewed. Nothing. Just filmed images and anecdotal accounts. It goes almost without saying how flawed we now know both those sources of information often turn out to be. Heck, I would be satisfied if anyone could provided a scientifically sound explanation for faster-than-light speed beyond the quantum level, and beyond quantum entanglement. In the universe we live in there is ZERO evidence that beyond the quantum level (meaning sub-atomic particles such as photons, electrons, etc.) any object can move at the speeds necessary to cross the VAST gulfs between solar systems in fewer than many thousands of years. Einstein's Theory of Relativity remains an absolute truth in the universe we inhabit.

#40 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-05-18 01:33 PM | Reply

Rsty, respectfully (because I am not looking to mock your desire to believe) but there has been nothing peer reviewed. Nothing.

It's available for peer review. JFC.

Just filmed images and anecdotal accounts. It goes almost without saying how flawed we now know both those sources of information often turn out to be.

By far more credible, trained, and qualified individuals than ever before. This is key context that you're choosing to ignore, for some reason. Those anecdotal accounts were not developed within a vacuum. The anecdotal accounts, specific to the tic tac incident, were reported by four pilots in two separate aircraft and corroborated by radar data and other instrumentation (i.e., FLIR footage). The flaw you point to is typically one that is not afforded such corroboration, wouldn't you agree?

In the universe we live in there is ZERO evidence that beyond the quantum level (meaning sub-atomic particles such as photons, electrons, etc.) any object can move at the speeds necessary to cross the VAST gulfs between solar systems in fewer than many thousands of years.

You're the only one talking about faster than light travel. About about you focus on what was observed and explain that away before you leap to faster than light travel.

Einstein's Theory of Relativity remains an absolute truth in the universe we inhabit.
#40 | POSTED BY MODER8

Are you interpreting my response as somehow going against this truth?

BTW, it's a true shame you felt the need to write this out for me: "the quantum level (meaning sub-atomic particles such as photons, electrons, etc.)"

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 01:51 PM | Reply

If you are arguing that the alleged "UFOs" are phenomena indigenous to Earth, and not anything from other solar systems or galaxies, I would agree. And with time we will have sound scientific explanations. Keep in mind that throughout most of human history, most of humanity believed the existence of witchcraft and other supernatural phenomena were beyond dispute. There were literally millions of examples of witchcraft and magic, some of which was observed and agreed upon by large numbers of percipient viewers at the time. People were so convinced of it that over the past one thousand years many hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been put to death after being convicted of witchcraft. I take unproven stories about as yet unproven phenomena with a skepticism that can only be overcome via scientific confirmation.

#42 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-05-18 02:11 PM | Reply

Mod,

The problem is experts are concerned these things moving through the air have been observed traveling at high rates speed and then make 45 degree turns.

They dive under water and been picked up by sonar going faster than our fastest subs.

They could be in DC in a flash and what would we do about it?

They have hovered over nuclear missle silos and armed and disarmed them as if practicing. That's my interpretation.

This stuff is happening.

The question is who is it?

#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-18 03:19 PM | Reply

Mod,

The scariest thing I've read one person wrote was his opinion that he hoped it is actually aliens and not something paranormal.

A lot of strange stuff might be connected.

Skinwalker range comes to mind. Robert Bigelow once owned it and he also had a company that supplied technology to the ISS but shut down last year.

I've also read what was supposedly a document retrieved from archives that Roswell material was given to Bigelow to study.

#44 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-18 03:28 PM | Reply

Ranch...not range but it might actually fit the definition.

#45 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-18 03:31 PM | Reply

"They could be in DC in a flash and what would we do about it?"

Why would we do anything about it?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 03:32 PM | Reply

Keep in mind that throughout most of human history, most of humanity believed the existence of witchcraft and other supernatural phenomena were beyond dispute.

Long before the societal influence through utilizing the scientific method, sure. I hope you can decipher the significant contrast between critical thinking in the dark ages juxtaposed with today. There's a reason the Catholic church has publicly stated the existence of intelligent life on other planets does not contradict Catholic doctrine, which is complete --------.

I take unproven stories about as yet unproven phenomena with a skepticism that can only be overcome via scientific confirmation.
#42 | POSTED BY MODER8

Which brings us full circle to the significance of the data/evidence being leaked through the military. Before their acknowledgement that the evidence provided was legitimate (i.e., not doctored), most evidence was taken with a grain of salt because of being flimsy, accused of being fake, or sourced by noncredible individuals/groups. The evidence at hand CAN be appropriately investigated and examined via academic and scientific channels because of the source's credibility and acknowledgement of the evidence's legitimacy. Batches of photos posted to reddit obviously cannot, which has been the vast majority of evidence available prior. Therein lies the context justifying the story's newsworthiness.

#47 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 04:31 PM | Reply

They have hovered over nuclear missle silos and armed and disarmed them as if practicing. That's my interpretation.
#43 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

This has been reported across the U.S. at multiple sites as well as in foreign countries. If there is a theme to their visitation, it's definitely tied to nuclear energy.

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 04:33 PM | Reply

Why would we do anything about it?
#46 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Vaccine passport, duh.

#49 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 04:34 PM | Reply

Nothing in these videos is convincing, and eyewitness evidence is the least reliable type of evidence there is.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 04:38 PM | Reply

I'm telling you guys, their agents walk among us. But how to tell who they are???

#51 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-05-18 04:47 PM | Reply

eyewitness evidence is the least reliable type of evidence there is.
#50 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Generally speaking in a vacuum, this is true. However, multiple trained jet pilots eye-witness testimony that is corroborated with FLIR imagery and radar data increase the reliability of that eye-witness testimony significantly. In all reality, that's besides the point.

I'm guessing you weren't replying to my post, so apologies if I'm confused. But are you arguing the pilots didn't see what they said they saw? They didn't say they saw an extraterrestrial craft. They're reported viewing a UAP both visually and on multiple aircraft tracking instrumentation. Are you suggesting there was nothing there in the first place for them to see? The debate being had is whether the phenomenon can be explained by aliens or not, with my suggestion being this evidence is the most significant now available than ever before suggesting it COULD be aliens.

IOW, what is it that you were looking for to be convincing? I believe I missed the context you're referring to.

#52 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 04:48 PM | Reply

I'm telling you guys, their agents walk among us. But how to tell who they are???

#51 | Posted by HeliumRat

it's easier to get rightwingers to believe in aliens than in right wing terrorists.

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-05-18 04:53 PM | Reply

The video isn't convincing and the eyewitness testimony isn't convincing, which adds up to still not convincing.

I can't rule out UFOs, but I'm not convinced either.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 04:53 PM | Reply

Read RLR's final post. I know it was you, snoofy.

#55 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-05-18 04:58 PM | Reply

#54 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

So you're not convinced the military has identified the objects in the video as unidentified aerial phenomenon? Are you suggesting the military has, in all actuality, identified the objects?

#56 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 04:59 PM | Reply

"IOW, what is it that you were looking for to be convincing?"

Been wondering that myself.

All the videos I've seen, none of them show these amazing aerobatics. Maybe start there.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 04:59 PM | Reply

^That was confusing. Just go with the latter: Are you suggesting the military has, in all actuality, identified the objects?

#58 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 05:00 PM | Reply

"unidentified aerial phenomenon"

Could still just be an unidentified weather balloon

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 05:00 PM | Reply

"Are you suggesting the military has, in all actuality, identified the objects?"

I can't rule out black ops that the military doesn't (want us to) know about.

Like those guys who lost their Area 51 lawsuit because Area 51 doesn't officially exist.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 05:04 PM | Reply

Maybe start there.
#57 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

What about the FLIR videos showing fast moving object entering and exiting the water, then splitting into two separate objects? Or the object that buzzed a carrier and was filmed flying into the ocean at 100 mph, leaving behind no wreckage or underwater signal? Have you seen those?

The tic tac incident wasn't just "Oh I saw something out of the corner of my eye." The female pilot was flying a plane that was unarmed. She tracked the object, that was behaving amazingly erratically until it was conscious of the pilots' presence, to the point where she acknowledged the increasing probability that should the object show signs of hostility, she would have to ram her jet into the object as the only form of offense. First and only time she was ever in such a situation, making the situation just that more significant in terms of eye-witness testimony. Four pilots all reporting they saw the same thing, that was tracked on radar both in the jets and on the boat, and further tracked by another boat when the thing vanished from their immediate vicinity and reappeared 60 miles away in a matter of seconds.

If that's not a UFO, than what is?

#61 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 05:08 PM | Reply

I can't rule out black ops that the military doesn't (want us to) know about.
#60 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

So much of this is addressed simply in the 60 minutes segment, which is a good one. The Sunday Morning segment was a ------- joke; literally, they took it as a joke and presented it as a joke (for instance, interviewing Seth Shostack, head astronomer at SETI regarding his POV on this specific matter and evidence; we're supposed to take an opinion regarding aliens potentially visiting earth with crafts that accomplish amazing feats from a guy whose entire career is predicated on the notion that IF we're able to learn of another intelligent species' existence in this galaxy, it's going to happen through a radio telescope?).

Commander Fravor explains that he's been through numerous scenarios where black budget programs and tech were tested using his squadron as guinea pigs. Difference with this scenario was what happened, or didn't happen, after the incident was over. He said, normally when these experiments/trials are taking place and you as a military personnel are unwittingly included, there is a debrief afterwards that: A) gathers all the pertinent data, which includes what the personnel witnessed; and B) ensures the personnel involved gets the clear, straight forward message that they are not to talk about what they were just involved with to anyone. Neither A nor B took place after the tic tac incident, which is a major red flag for anyone who knows military procedure related to classified material/technology.

I'll agree with you that this may just be one of those ULITMATE secret scenarios where the typical procedure was ignored. But to that, I'll repost my reasoning against this idea from above (edited for LAMPLIGHTER's approval):

The female pilot's aircraft was completely unarmed. She was of the mindset that should the tic tac craft show hostility, the only offensive maneuver would be for her to crash her jet into the object. I highly doubt military is willing to risk putting their highly trained, qualified combat pilots into situations where they are actively positioning themselves to commit suicide just to test out some new technology.

#62 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 05:19 PM | Reply

Could still just be an unidentified weather balloon
#59 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Former US Navy pilot Ryan Graves told CBS's 60 Minutes that pilots training off the US coast sighted UFOs nearly every day [for two years].

See, what had happen'd was the pilots all saw the same balloon blowing in the wind nearly every day.

#63 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 05:25 PM | Reply

rstybeach11, your talking to someone who thought "The Matrix" was lame. Because he didn't get it.

#64 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-05-18 05:33 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It's comical to me that people believe our military (not just pilots, but multiple personnel in various areas) are so incompetent that they can't tell the difference between a weather balloon or the exhaust of a jet liner or something completely unidentified.

It's not only sad, it's a little scary because you might be right. With that said, I choose to give these folks the benefit of the doubt, especially when they are putting themselves and their story out there regardless of ridicule. The female pilot kept her mouth shut about the incident for well over a decade for good reason. She's also a combat pilot trainer now, so she still has a reputation to protect.

If all we had to go on was a single video, I'd agree the probability of the object in question being a weather balloon or exhaust from a jet liner. But there is so much more context available within this scenario, we can safely rule out many probabilities. Each piece of evidence viewed in a vacuum does lend skeptics ammunition. However, the evidence and the nuanced context viewed as a whole SHOULD give skeptics pause. Which is why the eye-witness testimony, alone, should rule out weather balloon as the singular explanation. Unless, of course, you're accusing these four pilots of being immensely incompetent to the point of one pilot considering the risk of suicide by ramming her jet into a weather balloon in order to protect her military brethren.

#65 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 05:35 PM | Reply

rstybeach11, your talking to someone who thought "The Matrix" was lame. Because he didn't get it.
#64 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

I didn't get it at first either (I'll blame the shrooms), but definitely appreciated the logic and plot after subsequent viewings. Funny note, I went to the theatres to see the Matrix on shrooms while my buddy dropped acid. We had to sit in the front row because the place was so packed. Even without diligently following the plot, I truly enjoyed myself. My buddy, not so much.

#66 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 05:38 PM | Reply

"Read RLR's final post. I know it was you, snoofy."

What is this about?

I'm trying to find RLR's post but I can't find it.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2021-05-18 05:38 PM | Reply

#67 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I too looked and didn't find it, but didn't want to say anything. I'm not as disappointed in my self now. Thanks.

#68 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 05:40 PM | Reply

The whole thread is gone. Best to leave this one alone.

Pouring one out for my homey RLR.

#69 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-05-18 05:49 PM | Reply

drudge.com

This is all I found....

#70 | Posted by eberly at 2021-05-18 05:51 PM | Reply

What did Snoofy do?

Or is it forbidden? Does the bossman have a softspot for him?

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2021-05-18 05:52 PM | Reply

"ramming her jet into a weather balloon"

You have more information than I do.

She was close enough to see it wasn't a weather balloon, with her eyeballs, looking out the cockpit?

Lens effects explain most if not all of these.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 05:52 PM | Reply

Hers wasn't the only plane in the air and she wasn't the only person who saw what she recounted happening in broad daylight. The commander was also aloft, as were both back-seaters.

#73 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-05-18 06:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pouring one out for my homey RLR.
#69 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

Is he dead as well?

#74 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 06:16 PM | Reply

She was close enough to see it wasn't a weather balloon, with her eyeballs, looking out the cockpit?
Lens effects explain most if not all of these.
#72 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yes, all four pilots were and they all described the same tic tac like object and it's maneuverability.

60 minutes only focused on her story for a minute during the aired segment. They did an "overtime" segment and posted it online, much better context: www.youtube.com

#75 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 06:18 PM | Reply

#74 I know nothing. No think!

#76 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-05-18 06:23 PM | Reply

How close were they to the UFO?

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 06:24 PM | Reply

SNOOFY -

To add, you're also discounting the object's path of trajectory and behavior at the waterline. They first realized there was an aerial phenonmenon when the boat recognized a radar blip that went from 80,000 ft to just a few feet in less than a second. This is what triggered the jets to go investigate. When they first encountered the object, it was hovering a few feet above the water surface, moving in a manner that the pilots could only describe as a ping pong bouncing back and forth, completely erratic. The female pilot kept circling the area while Commander Fravor went down closer to investigate. As he approached in a spiraling downward motion, the object stopped behaving so erratically, turned (what Fravor coneceived of as) its nose towards Fravor and started climbing in altitude, mirroring Fravor's plane. It was this instant that Fravor perceived the object as intelligently operated. All four pilots witnessed this scenario and reported in kind. This is the sort of context that rules out the probability of lens effects.

#78 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 06:29 PM | Reply

How close were they to the UFO?
#77 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Commander Fravor reported, which was corroborated by the female pilot and back seat weapons systems experts, that as the object mirrored his approach, it got close enough that he could recognize the object's length being about 40 feet and that it was completely without wings, or a tail, or any obvious signs of propulsion.

#79 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 06:38 PM | Reply

With his eyeballs, looking out the cockpit? Or looking at a radar/IR image?

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 06:51 PM | Reply

Spooky things being revealed. As mentioned upthread, the military revelations are valuable because any imagery is captured using state of the art equipment and sensors, and the humans seeing the objects are trained and experienced observers of the skies. IMO, logging hundreds to thousands of flight hours would make an individual a keen observer of what is normal vs abnormal when it comes to appearances of objects in flight.

One of my favorite pieces of footage:

An exceptional nine-minute Navy video of a UFO displaying highly unusual behavior, studied by Chilean authorities for the last two years, is now being released to the public. The CEFAA - the Chilean government agency which investigates UFOs, or UAP (unidentified aerial phenomena), has been in charge of the investigation. Located within the DGAC, the equivalent of our FAA but under the jurisdiction of the Chilean Air Force, CEFAA has committees of military experts, technicians and academics from many disciplines. None of them have been able to explain the strange flying object captured by two experienced Navy officers from a helicopter.

m.youtube.com

#81 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-05-18 07:07 PM | Reply

"To add, you're also discounting the object's path of trajectory and behavior at the waterline."

All trajectories I've seen seem to be a straight line.

Again, if I am missing something, show me.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 07:12 PM | Reply

"the humans seeing the objects are trained and experienced observers of the skies."

Come on. They're trained to read a IFF blip.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 07:19 PM | Reply

With his eyeballs, looking out the cockpit? Or looking at a radar/IR image?
#80 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Eyeballs looking out the cockpit.

#84 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 07:32 PM | Reply

For what it's worth:

Obama Acknowledges Unanswered Questions About UFOs: We Don't Know Exactly What They Are'
www.mediaite.com

#85 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 07:33 PM | Reply

Marco Rubio is one of the congressmen who pushed for a DOD release. I would figure Rubio has had access to nearly everything that is considered credible. He is no longer questioning the existence of these things.

The Senate is asking for a report from the DOD explaining what they know.

If you haven't watched it yet, watch the History Channel series of 14 episodes.
www.history.com

A well done summary of UFO research and what are some of the main points of interest.

This show is the culmination of many years of interviews, traveling the world talking to witnesses and experts in fields such aerodynamics and intelligence. This show is what probably what broke the glass ceiling on taking the subject seriously by the media and the government.

#86 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-05-18 07:41 PM | Reply

"Eyeballs looking out the cockpit."

Is there video of this?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 07:45 PM | Reply

I read yesterday that a source on the House Intel Comm said something to the effect that the unreleased good video footage is such that s/he did not anticipate them being declassified anytime soon. Some of that footage is said to have been shot from fifty feet from the object. I scrolled through Twitter to see if I could find it again, but no luck. If anyone comes across it, could you post the link on the Nooner? Thanks.

#88 | Posted by Karabekian at 2021-05-18 08:00 PM | Reply

If it's in visual range, they can release a much lower resolution version if they're worried about revealing our surveillance capabilities

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 08:11 PM | Reply

It's not the sighting of UFO's that government denies. It's the after effects of that experience which can modify the behavior and expectations of flight crews that are the biggest problems.
Flight crews cannot unsee UFO's very well and government doesn't want it known that the experience can last a lifetime.

#90 | Posted by LesWit at 2021-05-18 08:17 PM | Reply

That's what one of these guys said last night on TV - that the footage that has been declassified - what we are seeing now - is the "least compelling" of the batch. I can't remember which guy said it. That's when it come up that some of the unreleased footage is of an object fifty feet from the jet that captured the footage. The foreign press seems to be taking it more seriously, overall.

#91 | Posted by Karabekian at 2021-05-18 08:22 PM | Reply

I see things moving at constant speed in a straight line. I don't need aliens to explain that.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 08:40 PM | Reply

We will see when the June Report is released.

If it's released...and if it isn't vague horse apples.

#93 | Posted by Karabekian at 2021-05-18 08:55 PM | Reply

Again, if I am missing something, show me.
#82 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're not missing it, you're just discounting the eye-witness testimony, seemingly entirely. And the reference was brought up to undermine the idea that what they were looking at (an o object that was right above the water surface and subsequently climbed to a higher altitude while consciously mirroring a pilot chasing it) was a weather balloon. As Commander Fravor stated: Faster than I'd ever seen anything in my life.

#94 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 08:55 PM | Reply

Is there video of this?
#87 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

There is no video of what Fravor and the other pilots describe at the specific location. The the notorious FLIR footage (that you may have seen) was taken by a pilot that was activated to chase the object once it left Fravor's vicinity.

#95 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 08:58 PM | Reply

92 BTW Pulling 700 g's, flying 13,000 mph, and moving between water, air, and space isn't mundane.

#96 | Posted by Karabekian at 2021-05-18 08:59 PM | Reply

#91 | POSTED BY KARABEKIAN

The FLIR footage that started this whole thing off was leaked. They don't want this kind of info out there because it WILL ----- some people. So I highly doubt they are going to release any footage that would be at the level required to convince SNOOFY.

#97 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"92 BTW Pulling 700 g's, flying 13,000 mph, and moving between water, air, and space isn't mundane."

Show me the video!

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 09:11 PM | Reply

"You're not missing it, you're just discounting the eye-witness testimony, seemingly entirely"

Sacco and Vanzetti taught me to do that.

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 09:11 PM | Reply

"The FLIR footage that started this whole thing off was leaked."

FLIR footage is likely to be full of all sorts of artifacts we're not used to seeing.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 09:12 PM | Reply

Rusty, Yes. Even Obama admitted last night that the footage is real, but we don't know what it is. I'd prefer it be mischievous aliens than malicious Russians or ChiComs.

#101 | Posted by Karabekian at 2021-05-18 09:13 PM | Reply

SNOOFY -

Fox News reported on a video taken by the Chilean Navy that shows a UAP taking a ----: www.youtube.com

#102 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 09:14 PM | Reply

98 As you well-know, it is still classified. You can put in a FOIA request if you like.

#103 | Posted by Karabekian at 2021-05-18 09:16 PM | Reply

FLIR footage is likely to be full of all sorts of artifacts we're not used to seeing.
#100 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

This has already been ruled out in terms of the tic tac FLIR related video, partly because they were able to track the flying object via FLIR and radar, with a little eyewitness testimony sprinkled in. This is how they know how fast it was going.

#104 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 09:18 PM | Reply

Sacco and Vanzetti taught me to do that.
#99 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Sacco and Vanzetti couldn't conceive a fighter jet, let alone understanding the intricacies and necessary training it takes to operate one.

I can't immediately think of anyone else who would have more credibility as an eye-witness, especially when witnessing events in the sky while operating a fighter jet, than a jet fighter pilot, can you? Especially with all the surrounding support available (both human and technological) to ensure that the object they're trying to identify is actually what they think it is? Especially when military officials analyze the footage and the eye-witness testimony concluding this was not an artifact, weather balloon, or other identifiable object? I mean all of that heightens Fravor's credibility, warranting consideration, wouldn't you agree?

#105 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 09:31 PM | Reply

*credibility as an eye-witness

#106 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 09:33 PM | Reply

You're in criminal justice or at least Criminal Justice at Jason. I'm really surprised that you were so gung-ho about eyewitness evidence when you know damn well it's the least reliable form of evidence we got.

Lots of people saw the plane hit the Pentagon. Oh wait that actually happened, nevermind! :)

Lots of people saw the FBI come and confiscate all the video evidence afterwards too. ;)

I'm certainly willing to say I don't know what's in that video. (The UFO video not the missing Pentagon video)

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 09:52 PM | Reply

Criminal justice adjacent. Lol

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 10:00 PM | Reply

Might as well face it.

They're here!

The question is not who or what they are.

Its why they are (here).

I can't wait for Contact.

That should upset a few apple carts. Hope I get to live long enough to see it. (But, not long enough to become some aliens slave or worse.)

#109 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-05-18 10:05 PM | Reply

I certainly can believe UFO stories. One of my friends grew up out near an Air Force Base somewhere in the Southwest. This would be late 60s, early 70s. He was hiking one day by the base and happened to see something go overhead very high and very fast. He couldn't tell what it was. Within a minute two F-4 Phantoms scrambled and went to afterburner (very unusual over land) chasing whatever it was it that went by.

I have no reason to believe my friend is lying about this story. But for all we know that could have just been an SR-71.

Or maybe that's just an implanted memory. Anyone else heard that story?

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-18 10:08 PM | Reply

#109 the answer to your your question "why are they here" is easy. It is where they (we) evolved. Or if sightings are not of an intelligent nature, "they" are natural occurring phenomenon.

I have no doubt whatsoever that people see things in the sky they can't identify. That's what the U in UFO stands for. But to make an outrageous leap of logic and claim they must therefore be an extraterrestrial intelligence is just that -- an outrageous leap of logic.

#111 | Posted by jakester at 2021-05-18 10:21 PM | Reply

I saw what has now become a classic type of sighting; two lights that perform ridiculous maneuvers, then split into two or more similar objects.

That was when I was a kid in a treehouse at night watching it happen... right over the Bell Helicopter facility. And no, no 'copter or plane ever did what these things were doing.

About that time, there was a "saucer landing site" at the local Boy's Ranch. We rode our bicycles all the way out there to see it; a "burned" circle on the ground.

#112 | Posted by Corky at 2021-05-18 10:26 PM | Reply

#107 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Eye-witness testimony is at its most reliable when used as additional corroboration to the plethora of instrumental evidence already available, such as in this case.

#113 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 10:26 PM | Reply

SNOOFY -

Watch B. Hussein admit we have much evidence (insinuates nonpublic) of objects flying in our skies that we cannot identify, explain how they move or are propelled, and are worth investigating further: www.reddit.com

#114 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-18 10:43 PM | Reply

What I can't connect is why interstellar monitors could possibly have the tech for travel but then go into LEO for observation?
Either doing environmental sampling, some sort of experimentation (Chilean UAP), or..?

#115 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-05-19 12:12 AM | Reply

#115 You saw the UAP take a ---- too?!

#116 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 12:16 AM | Reply

You saw the UAP take a ---- too?!
#116 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Yeah that footage is especially interesting - and whatever was emitted from the object had a scorching affect on the land nearby too. Weird stuff

#117 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-05-19 08:34 AM | Reply

If these are manmade artifacts spoofing sensors, the next near-peer war will be wild beyond all imagination.

#118 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-05-19 09:02 AM | Reply

An extraterrestrial race capable of interstellar travel would view us as we view ants. Humans need to get over themselves. We are not that interesting. Certainly not interesting enough to fly hundreds or thousand of light years to watch.

But even if ET wanted to watch and study us, I'm pretty sure if they can travel across the galaxy, they would have the technology to watch us undetected.

#119 | Posted by jakester at 2021-05-19 03:41 PM | Reply

Just as much as we believed the UFOs are there and have been up there, not just figments of our imagination or swamp gas, people have believed that they are not up there, that they are figments of our imagination and can be explained away by nonsensically pointing to natural occurrences such as swamp gas. IOW, without definitive proof either way (even with definitive proof), these people will stick to their guns just like we would and have. That's the problem with the modern human mindset, even in the face of facts, people will believe what they want to believe. Look at the Trump supporters who still think the election was stolen. There's not a single thing that could be presented to them that would change their opinion on the matter. That's how the human brain works these days and I think a lot of it has to do with the advent of massive information overload provided by the internet. Legitimate sources can be distrusted because other illegitimate sources tell people what they want to hear, so they go with what feels right/good, ignoring the legitimate source and information provided by it; even to the point of actively undermining the legitimacy of the source solely because said source does not provide information that fits their POV.

TL;DR

Modern humans carry massive amounts of information bias, leading to the outright improbability that their minds/opinions can be changed even in the face of irrefutable facts. This quite possibly has come about within human nature because of the information overload provided by the internet.

#120 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 04:32 PM | Reply

But even if ET wanted to watch and study us, I'm pretty sure if they can travel across the galaxy, they would have the technology to watch us undetected.
#119 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

You're completely ignoring the rare-Earth hypothesis. Should aliens be capable of detecting our presence, and recognize the lack of other presences like it, the presence's rarity alone would warrant investigation. And if they do have the ability to travel this far, we have no idea to what level of ease that travel entails. Making the assumption that the only intelligence in the universe (as we have recognized) would be uninteresting, especially if the means of travel was far easier than we can conceive, the question then becomes why wouldn't they come and investigate.

And guess what, humans have been interested in studying ants for centuries. You undermined your own point in the first sentence of your post.

Intriguing.

#121 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 04:37 PM | Reply

It's amazing that after decades of sightings and thousands of pictures taken, we don't have one in focus. That fact alone fuels a lot of skepticism. As Carl Sagan said, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" . There is nothing extraordinary about out of focus photographs.

#122 | Posted by jakester at 2021-05-19 04:40 PM | Reply

There is nothing extraordinary about out of focus photographs.
#122 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

Viewed in a vacuum, you have a point. Which begs the question, why are you considering the presented evidence in a vacuum? Why are you not considering the totality of the evidence provided, which includes highly credible eye-witness testimony?

It's not that one picture or video was taken. Data was gathered from multiple sources, multiple eye-witnesses corroborating what was viewed in the blurry, out of focus videos and pictures.

Surely you're not going to walk into a court room as a juror and only consider one piece of presented evidence, are you? Of course not, you're going to take the evidence presented as a whole. The only reason we're having this conversation is because the evidence provided has been legitimized by numerous, highly credible officials. It's about instrumentation data being corroborated by highly credible eye-witness testimony, not just a single blurry image.

Basic critical thinking skills are all that's necessary here.

#123 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 04:45 PM | Reply

If the military were simply searching for more funding, they wouldn't leak a single video to Tom DeLong to publicize on Joe Rogan's show. They would implement a huge false flag event, they would release a ton more videos that were far more convincing. There's not a single congressman that is pushing for more military funding solely based on the initial video leaked, or the subsequent others. Mainly because of the skeptics here on this thread; they know the skeptics are not sold on any of this. And typically it's the skeptics who vote. So no, I doubt the military would haphazardly go down the 'hey, look what's up there! We don't know what that is so give us more money to find out!' path. Simply put, the military just outed their incompetence, having to admit that unidentified aircraft are and have been entering and exiting U.S. airspace with impunity. That does not make the military look good and it's this exact incompetence that they have been trying to hide for a long time. If anything, it's a call for less money going to these military personnel who are unable to distinguish between a weather balloon, a bird, or an unidentified flying object. The incompetence is entirely through the roof, when this scenario is considered within the skeptics' narrative.

Every day for two years, military personnel were unable to identify what was actually a weather balloon? Give me a fnkcing break.

#124 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 05:11 PM | Reply

The lack of retorts must mean I've been making convincing arguments.

#125 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 08:00 PM | Reply

125 You've got my vote, Rsty.

#126 | Posted by Karabekian at 2021-05-19 08:35 PM | Reply

#124

Don't we have a space force who's job this would be? I know they sorta dropped the ball on the Chinese rocket but that was known earth origin so I can give them a pass. UFO's seem to be their main raison d'etre

#127 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-05-19 09:01 PM | Reply

"Every day for two years, military personnel were unable to identify what was actually a weather balloon?"

That might be overlooking things like,
The USAF does not want to publicly acknowledge the limits of their capabilities.
Not so much if it's aliens, but what if it's a foreign power. Or even more embarassing, the United States Navy!

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-19 09:05 PM | Reply

"Basic critical thinking skills are all that's necessary here."

My basic critical thinking demands a video of a UFO doing something more UFO-like than moving in a straight line at a constant speed.

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-19 09:06 PM | Reply

Or even more embarassing, the United States Navy!
#128 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Take your pick. I'm of the mindset that we give these people the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, WTF are we spending so much money on the military when they can't even identify a fnkcing weather balloon for 2 years?

#130 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 09:09 PM | Reply

"I'm of the mindset that we give these people the benefit of the doubt."

Okay, so it wasn't a weather balloon. Still doesn't really help us know what it was.

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-19 09:16 PM | Reply

My basic critical thinking demands a video of a UFO doing something more UFO-like than moving in a straight line at a constant speed.
#129 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I get it, you've got your standards.

It's just too bad those standards relegate you to believing these military officials and other personnel are massively incompetent. And not just a few of them. You do realize the series of events that would have to line up in order to convince a Commander in the U.S. Navy that there was actually a flying object, intelligently controlled that he could not identify, yet was able to recognize that the craft had no wings, no exhaust, about 40 feet in diameter, and possessed no obvious means of propulsion, yes?

It would first require multiple radar glitches, not just on one radar, but multiple that intrigued Naval officials enough to launch two fighter jets (at least one of which was unarmed) to investigate. Then, lens glare would have been so significant that four pilots split into separate jets all thought they saw an aircraft rise from just above the water to the altitude of Commander Fravor's jet only to see it speed out of sight ("Faster than I'd ever seen anything in my life," said Commander Fravor).

Then there would subsequently have to be ANOTHER radar glitch that suggested the object reappeared 60 miles away from Commander Fravor's location within seconds, inspiring a third fighter jet to be deployed, leading to the now infamous nonidentification of a weather balloon caught on FLIR video, all of which was thoroughly examined and analyzed by highly credible officials who were clearly also too incompetent to make the factual, grounded conclusion that the aircraft in question was actually not an aircraft.

Just to recap, everyone involved were too incompetent to realize the incident can be explained by multiple radar glitches, from multiple instruments, lens glare affecting multiple pilots in separate jets, a second round of radar glitches, another incompetent pilot that was unable to distinguish between something unidentifiable and a weather balloon, and a group of incompetent officials incapable of coming to this very Project Blue Book-esque conclusion. This is the skeptics' version of Commander Fravor's story in a nut shell. That's a lot of assumptions to make, IMO. When "aliens" is the only assumption to make, Occam's Razor would lean towards the latter than the former, yes?

#132 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 09:30 PM | Reply

Okay, so it wasn't a weather balloon. Still doesn't really help us know what it was.
#131 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

That's what the military, for the first time that I know of, is finally admitting to.

It's also the only shift in understanding that should be celebrated here. I'm not saying it's aliens, I'm saying the probability that it is aliens just increased significantly. And that's simply based on the military's unprecedented acknowledgement that there many of these things that cannot be explained solely by Earthly phenomena, as iterated in my previous post.

#133 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 09:34 PM | Reply

"It's just too bad those standards relegate you to believing these military officials and other personnel are massively incompetent."

LOL!!!
You do a good Goatman impression.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-19 09:36 PM | Reply

*that there are...

#135 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 09:37 PM | Reply

You do a good Goatman impression.
#134 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Come on! You can do better than that!

Just to recap, everyone involved were too incompetent to realize the incident can be explained by multiple radar glitches, from multiple instruments, lens glare affecting multiple pilots in separate jets, a second round of radar glitches, another incompetent pilot that was unable to distinguish between something unidentifiable and a weather balloon, and a group of incompetent officials incapable of coming to this very Project Blue Book-esque conclusion. This is the skeptics' version of Commander Fravor's story in a nut shell. That's a lot of assumptions to make, IMO. Do you disagree?

#136 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 09:39 PM | Reply

There are reasons other than incompetence to not make a declarative statement.

It may well be that I don't know as much as you do about these sightings.

Another thing: If these are so common, aren't our sensors guys figuring out how to get a better look? Project Blue Book started nearly a century ago.

I should be looking at pictures better than the pictures we have of Bigfoot and The Loch Ness Monster. (A fighter jet overlay doesn't make them more convincing.)

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-19 09:58 PM | Reply

I'm not saying it's aliens

I saw what you did there

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-19 09:59 PM | Reply

I should be looking at pictures better than the pictures we have of Bigfoot and The Loch Ness Monster. (A fighter jet overlay doesn't make them more convincing.)
#137 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Look at you shoulding all over yourself, pity.

"These are just three videos now that have come out that everybody's looking at," Elizondo said. "But there is far more compelling evidence that I was privy to that " you know, I think you're looking at the tip of the iceberg."

#139 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-05-19 10:59 PM | Reply

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