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Monday, May 24, 2021

All over the world, countries are confronting population stagnation and a fertility bust, a dizzying reversal unmatched in recorded history that will make first-birthday parties a rarer sight than funerals, and empty homes a common eyesore.

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Will be interesting times to live through.

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2021-05-24 02:29 PM | Reply

Happy Extinction!

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-05-24 05:40 PM | Reply

Good.

Needing growth to fuel prosperity means your prosperity isn't real, you're just stealing resources from growing populations and future generations.

If you see low growth as a problem, (especially all your racists worried that brown people are out breeding white people) then the solution would be to make it more affordable to have a family. The only way to do that is....SOCIALISM!

Right now people are choosing a life of relaxation and enjoyment over a life of stressing about how they're going to afford daycare, healthcare, and college for their kids.

#3 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-05-24 05:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Supposedly this is happening in the U.S. At the same time, supposedly we currently have a housing shortage of 4 million units. It would be interesting to see how this plays out over the next 50 years. Unfortunately, I'm already 60. So I'd guess I'm not going to live to watch it all.

#4 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-05-24 05:59 PM | Reply

Right now people are choosing a life of relaxation and enjoyment over a life of stressing about how they're going to afford daycare, healthcare, and college for their kids.

That, and the world is getting too screwed up to willingly bring people into today's world.

My oldest graduates high school this year. She just missed 9/11, but not the ramifications, was around for the financial crisis, the pandemic.

Lots of "once-in-a-generation" events that set people back in terms of wealth. And the older generation likes to bust younger people's balls for not being financially stable. GMAFB (literally).

#5 | Posted by horstngraben at 2021-05-24 06:03 PM | Reply

"At the same time, supposedly we currently have a housing shortage of 4 million units."

There's more than enough empty houses in America to house all the homeless people in America.

The problem is that people can't afford them.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-24 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

So Trump / Thanos was wrong?

Reducing the world population is not good for the economy?

Someone should have told Humpy and his minions before he allowed the pandemic to spiral out of control and decimate the world population.

Was it the pandemic? Because I swear that it was just a few years ago, Before Pandemic (BP), that everyone was quite sure we were doomed to extinction because of our exponential population growth. Now we are doomed because of under population?

We Humans can't win for losing. Apparently.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-05-24 08:43 PM | Reply

interesting article...

3 things I thought of when reading this...

1. Universal Income. This trend, if it holds true,
should help push the idea of a Universal Income,
at least a supplemental one, to aid an aging population.

2. Rise of the Robot Worker Force. One only need to see
a Boston Dynamics Robot dance, do backflips, and lift
several hundred pound objects to realize that robot
labor is inevitable in the future.

3. Finally putting the breaks on overpopulation and related
environmental destruction.

I think this could be a very good thing. IF the world were
to embrace all three of these things. Of course the rich
will likely fight like hell against No. 1 on the list, or in
letting the rest of us have our lives back...

#8 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-05-25 05:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep poisoning the planet.

#9 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-05-25 07:37 AM | Reply

It's nice to see Mother Nature get one in the win column. I hope the decline continues and the destruction of our planet comes to a halt.

#10 | Posted by jakester at 2021-05-25 10:47 AM | Reply

"The problem is that people can't afford them."

Really?

What's the price point at which something is no longer affordable.

Detroit is full of houses that cost about half what I paid for my last car.

#11 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-25 03:54 PM | Reply

"Was it the pandemic?"

Probably not so much in the US, but think about this. Germany has basically been under martial law since March 2020. So there have been 15 months where people haven't met, haven't dated, haven't had sex, and haven't had kids had they not been subject to lockdown.

It's a bit dated...there are probably better numbers available. But in May 2020 it was estimated that the number of births would drop by 18% due to the pandemic.

#12 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-25 04:00 PM | Reply

"1. Universal Income. This trend, if it holds true, should help push the idea of a Universal Income, at least a supplemental one, to aid an aging population."

Funded by whom?

In 20 years, I'll be the old guy. Yet there will be an 18% deficit in the work force as a result of the lock-downs?

Will it be their responsibility to work extra hard because the government prohibited the conditions that would led to a greater number of people in the work force.

I say this from a German perspective...the US didn't really have lock-downs.

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-25 04:03 PM | Reply

"3. Finally putting the breaks on overpopulation and related environmental destruction."

Like mandatory lock-downs every few years?

Maybe the Chinese model?

Extinction Rebellion?

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-25 04:05 PM | Reply

"What's the price point at which something is no longer affordable. Detroit is full of houses that cost about half what I paid for my last car." -- #11 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Just using myself as an example - that price means nothing to me. My job is here in Idaho. If I pack up my car and move to Detroit I no longer have a job to afford cheap housing. This is a consistent problem with the BS questions you ask. The obvious issue is that the wages in any given location do not afford the housing nearby.

#15 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2021-05-25 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Re 15

Agreed.

Cheap housing is only cheap if you can take your high paying job from California (or wherever) with you.


Not sure telecommuting is the answer either. But at least for a short time maybe until employers figure out a way out it like they have with pretty much every other benefit. Like only paying you according to prevailing wages. Or local housing costs etc. so your total costs vs wages remain the same.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-05-25 05:40 PM | Reply

"Funded by whom?"

Same people who funded Iraq Afghanistan and the Republican tax cut.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-05-25 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"What's the price point at which something is no longer affordable."

^
The person who made this comment also claims they understand economics.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-05-25 06:32 PM | Reply

It's a bit dated...there are probably better numbers available. But in May 2020 it was estimated that the number of births would drop by 18% due to the pandemic.

#12 | Posted by madbomber

If you're worried about birth rates, the pandemic had a smaller effect than the rocketing cost of housing, healthcare, and education.

Want more kids? Make them more affordable to have. Step 1 - stop voting for republicans.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-05-25 06:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The world is in transition. In terms of technology. In terms of automation. In terms of population. In terms of population distribution. None of us can really imagine how humanity will look in 100 years. It really is up for grabs.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-05-26 01:41 PM | Reply

"Just using myself as an example - that price means nothing to me. My job is here in Idaho."

Do you live in Boise or the greater Boise metro area?

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-26 02:36 PM | Reply

"If you're worried about birth rates, the pandemic had a smaller effect than the rocketing cost of housing, healthcare, and education."

Did it?

Link?

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-26 02:37 PM | Reply

"Want more kids? Make them more affordable to have."

If you can't afford kids, you shouldn't be having them.

And this wasn't about people who couldn't afford kids. This about people not having kids because government prohibited the social interactions that facilitated their creation.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-26 02:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Same people who funded Iraq Afghanistan and the Republican tax cut."

I've stated repeatedly that if the successful people in this country want to fund the unsuccessful, giddyup. Being in the middle, it doesn't affect me one way or the other.

The one obvious downside is the bear feeding.

You don't do this, but for those of us who've spend a lot of time in Griz country, you can get in a lot of trouble for feeding the bears, even unintentionally. If you actually leave food out for them, you're screwed, but you'll get fined for leaving out food waste, empty cans, whatever. Because like every other form of life, the Grizzle will take the path of least resistance when it comes to survival. If you leave food out, they will take it. And if you continue to offer them food, they will forgo their natural means of sustenance, instead relying on humans. And if humans don't give them enough, or give them enough for too long, they become aggressive if they reach a point where they are no longer getting enough, and they no longer have the natural skills required to get food on their own.

Which, ladies, is why you don't feed the bears.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-26 02:45 PM | Reply

"Just using myself as an example - that price means nothing to me. My job is here in Idaho."

I'm just using myself as an example...

In a few years I will retire from the military. Regardless of where I live, my retirement income doesn't change.

And I couldn't afford to live in Boise on my retirement income. Move two hours east to Twin Falls county, and there are small towns where I might be Mr. Moneybags.

Bottom line is that your job is in Idaho because you choose for it to be in Idaho. To me, your argument is no different than those who would complain about the cost of living anywhere.

And what's to stop you and Mr. Justagirl_Idaho from moving to Detroit and enjoying the lower cost of living? Seriously...when you can get a house for $24k...you don't need to earn a whole lot. And many parts of Idaho are horribly expensive at the moment, and that doesn't appear to be changing.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-26 02:58 PM | Reply

I lived in North Dakota for eight years, during which time the state was desperate to bring in workers, paying them incredibly high wages. So it would naturally seem that North Dakota would be a place that people would flock to. It wasn't.

It's easy to come up with an excuse as to why you don't choose to move to somewhere that might be more economically favorable. But when you make that decision you should own it.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-05-26 03:19 PM | Reply

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