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Saturday, June 05, 2021

Saturday marks the 40th anniversary of the nation's first reported cases of AIDS. More than 700,000 people in the US have died of the disease since then -- and though medical advancements have drastically changed the prognosis for HIV/AIDS patients, there remains to this day no cure.

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And we still do not know it's exact source.

We THINK it jumped from a chimpanzee. But we do not have that chimpanzee. Or the exact source. Only ones like it with a "similar" virus. But not an exact match. No exact location. So we still do not really know exactly where it came from.

So good luck finding the exact source of covid-19 in an opaque communist China.

#1 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-06-06 11:11 AM | Reply

Frankefaucis first fail

#2 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2021-06-06 12:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Check out the Pooh flinger attacking Dr fauci.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-06 12:36 PM | Reply

That's the marching orders those pieces of ---- that follow Trump have been given.
Pure scum.

#4 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-06 12:39 PM | Reply

The trauma of this time is still present, still felt. The impact in many of our lives was enormous. It colored everything for decades.
I lost people I loved.

Reagan was pathetic.

Can we finally get a cure?

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-06 01:30 PM | Reply

Wonder why no one, back on the 80s, was taking about how HIV was developed in a lab by the CIA to wipe out the Homosexual and black communities.

HIV Created by Scientist' for Biological Warfare, Nobel Peace Prize Winner Says

khn.org

Since the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention first reported the HIV/AIDS epidemic in 1981, rumors have persisted that the deadly virus was created by the CIA to wipe out homosexuals and African Americans. Even today, the conspiracy theory has a number of high-profile believers. South African President Thabo Mbeki once touted the theory, disputing scientific claims that the virus originated in Africa and accusing the U.S. government of manufacturing the disease in military labs. When she won the Nobel Peace Prize, Kenyan ecologist Wangari Maathai used the international spotlight to support that theory as well. Others insist that the government deliberately injected gay men with the virus during 1978 hepatitis-B experiments in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles. Still others point to Richard Nixon, who combined the U.S. Army's biowarfare department with the National Cancer Institute in 1971. Though the co-discoverers of HIV " Dr. Robert Gallo of the National Cancer Institute and Dr. Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute in Paris " don't agree on its origins, most members of the scientific community believe the virus jumped from monkeys to humans some time during the 1930s.

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#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-06 01:54 PM | Reply

And we still do not know it's exact source.
We THINK it jumped from a chimpanzee. But we do not have that chimpanzee. Or the exact source. Only ones like it with a "similar" virus. But not an exact match. No exact location. So we still do not really know exactly where it came from.
So good luck finding the exact source of covid-19 in an opaque communist China.

#1 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2021-06-06 11:11 AM | REPLY |

And yet, less than a year after COVID19 surfaced we miraculously have a vaccine. 40 years after the first case of AIDS and we have nothing except expensive treatments to prolong a life.

#7 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-06-06 01:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

40 years after the first case of AIDS and we have nothing

HIV is highest amongst gays, blacks, and the poor.

These groups of people are considered expendable.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-06 01:59 PM | Reply

Especially during the 80s and 90s.

(Follow up to #8)

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-06 02:00 PM | Reply

40 years after the first case of AIDS and we have nothing

HIV is highest amongst gays, blacks, and the poor.

These groups of people are considered expendable.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-06 01:59 PM | Reply

Not that I dispute a lot of the delay in acting in the beginning could be explained by this, but the way AIDS and HIV work have made it very difficult to create a vaccine. The very cells that normally would be destroying the virus are the ones targeted by it.

Many of the advances that were used to create the CoViD-19 vaccine came from HIV research, and the technology has advanced amazingly in the last 40 years.

I'm sure JPW could tell you more about some of the difficulties that are particular to HIV, but here's an interesting article from Science News that covers a lot.

On the other hand, had it not been, and still often is, thought of as a "moral" disease, I'm sure there would have been far more money thrown at the problem. Not that it would have necessarily meant a vaccine would have been developed by now.

#10 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2021-06-06 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10

Agreed.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-06 04:43 PM | Reply

And yet, less than a year after COVID19 surfaced we miraculously have a vaccine. 40 years after the first case of AIDS and we have nothing except expensive treatments to prolong a life.

#7 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Blinded by the science?

Because we spent 25 years studying mRNA technology and techniques to be ready for this moment. You know. The kind of research conservatives hate to fund.

And billions of dollars (aka "warp speed") certainly helped. I do believe this technique is being studied for other virus vaccines now, too.

You are lucky to be alive at this moment in time to witness it.

Let's hope the technology doesn't get abused. Or you may be witness to that too.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-06-06 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13 Covid is a lifestyle disease. Everyone is susceptible to AIDS, you are lying. Many got AIDS from blood transfusions, including Isaac Asimov.

#14 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-06 08:21 PM | Reply

But, Fauci loves to lie and say everyone is susceptible to AIDS.

Unless you carry a mutation in a protein call CCR5 you are susceptible to HIV.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-06 08:41 PM | Reply

And even then, it's not an absolute resistance.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-06 08:42 PM | Reply

Unless you carry a mutation in a protein call CCR5 you are susceptible to HIV.

#15 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-06-06 08:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

The CDC janitor has been pilfering through the files.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-06-06 09:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh my god.
Chrisn you are seriously one ------ up piece of ----.
Your misinformation should be removed from this thread.
Wow.
What a complete bigoted idiot you are. Disgusting piece of ----.

I have friends that died from AIDS and they were not drug users, let alone "massive" drug users.

---- you to hell.

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-06 09:15 PM | Reply

Ryan White got AIDS from a blood transfusion. You clearly don't know ---- shinola "chris"

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-06-06 09:46 PM | Reply

Cite your "source" for your information, Chrisn.
Also now you've changed your criteria.
First you said "engage in gay sex combined with massive drug use"
Now you're saying just being homosexual and male you get it.

You're full of ----.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-06 10:57 PM | Reply

You're full of ----.

His original instructions were to bash Dr. Fauchi. He just lost focus.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-06-06 11:01 PM | Reply

"A couple thousand over 40 years is not something people need to change their habits to avoid."

LOL

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-06 11:14 PM | Reply

"Were they homosexual males? I highly doubt they were 100% straight heterosexual males that never used drugs "

I noticed yav didn't answer that.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2021-06-06 11:22 PM | Reply

First Lady Barbara Bush deserves credit for being a decent human being and holding that infant with HIV.

And her son George W. deserves credit for PEPFAR.

But Reagan didn't say the word AIDS until 1987.

His Silence = Death.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-06 11:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Well, unless you engage in gay sex combined with massive drug use (including anti-viral drugs to control the herpes and other STDs you already have), your risk is basically 0."

^
You lie.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-06 11:27 PM | Reply

#22 Terrorists have only killed a few thousand Americans, good thing no one had to change their lifestyles.

#31 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-07 12:01 AM | Reply

Joke all you want. We all enjoy a good laugh (at you).

But don't spread misinformation about diseases with no vaccine or no cure.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-07 12:05 AM | Reply

#17 Link the study. I bet they practiced safe sex. Which was a change in lifestyle for at least one of the partners.

You are a liar.

Fauci's turds have more value than your life.

#33 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-07 12:06 AM | Reply

"However, to stop AIDS, I just need to refrain from having sex with gay guys."

Mike Pence proved that wrong, when Governor of Indiana.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-07 12:12 AM | Reply

Don't spread misinformation about diseases with no vaccine or no cure.

This cannot be tolerated in a civilized society.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-07 12:13 AM | Reply

#34 Why secure the border or screen airline passengers?
The risk of border crossings and airline terror is very low.

Similarly, why equip soldiers with expensive equipment? Only soldiers die, so don't enlist. Easy.

#39 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-07 12:54 AM | Reply

Military casualties are a lifestyle disease afterall. Don't enlist so they don't exist.

#41 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-07 12:58 AM | Reply

#40 I understand, but I also occasionally care about the lives of others, you should try it.

#42 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-07 12:59 AM | Reply

All the people had to do in order to not get AIDS was not use intravenous drugs and be monogamous.

This came from an anti AIDS pamphlet produced by a couple of gay guys in New York City which was summarily ignored by their Community until it was too late.

#44 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-07 01:54 AM | Reply

I left out of course there were those unfortunate cases where they were given a contaminated blood transfusion or were exposed to infected blood in some other fashion say it got splashed on them in the ER.

I just don't understand why it took so long to kill Rush Limbaugh.

#46 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-07 02:15 AM | Reply

Liberals arrested Rush Limbaugh?

#48 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-06-07 04:37 AM | Reply

"Were they homosexual males? I highly doubt they were 100% straight heterosexual males that never used drugs "

I noticed yav didn't answer that.

#26 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-06-06 11:22 PM | FLAG:

Brain damaged, Eberly? Read the exchange again as many times as it takes. Then read the bottom of this post.

"I noticed yav didn't answer that.
#26 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

Whether they used drugs, Yav probably doesn't know the truth. Regarding being homosexual males - he certainty does. But, I don't expect him to answer.

#27 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991 AT 2021-06-06 11:24 PM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 1

---- off Chrisn. You made whether they were gay or not irrelevant with YOUR declaration which I fully quoted. If you and Eberly want to ignore that the rest of us will just laugh at your stupidity. If neither of you have the capacity to read and comprehend (in Chrisn's case, your own words) then you can continue to look like idiots. Which I assure you, you both do.

#50 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-07 07:43 AM | Reply

-Brain damaged, Eberly?

Calm down. I never made any accusations nor did I attack anyone.

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2021-06-07 08:41 AM | Reply

I am sure you are an expert on the drug usage of your gay friends.

Way more so than you, you ------' moron and liar.
You have yet to cite your "study" or the relevance of it, nor recant your original and false assertion.
Until then you remain a lying piece of ----.
Enjoy your day.

#52 - That's fine Eberly, but you missed his and and jumped in on me not answering a question that he made irrelevant, as if that was some gotcha.

He got caught in his lie and then tried to change the criteria.

#53 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-07 09:15 AM | Reply

"On the other hand, had it not been, and still often is, thought of as a "moral" disease, I'm sure there would have been far more money thrown at the problem. Not that it would have necessarily meant a vaccine would have been developed by now."

Realize, Ronald Reagan couldn't even find it in his heart to say HIV or AIDs. He was an evil piece of filth and even his own kids agree with me.

#54 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-07 09:56 AM | Reply

With people like this Chris character around no wonder it has taken so ong to find a cure for aids.

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-06-07 11:13 AM | Reply

These are facts that show you and Fauci are fraudulent liars.

#17 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

No, it just shows you're a Dunning-Kruger poster boy.

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-07 11:23 AM | Reply

Reading Chris's posts it sounds like he is living in 1984. There have been straight men that got AIDS. If you don't believe go have unprotected sex with a bunch of sex workers and see how you fair. Speed long enough you will get a ticket.

#57 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-06-07 11:27 AM | Reply

We have the 10 year time study of 200 heterosexual couples in the Bay Area. After 10 years, not a single case of the HIV positive partner transmitting HIV to the negative partner.

Are you intentionally leaving out the fact that that's in couples where viral loads are undetectable because of HAART? And that there is measurable risk when the infection is unmanaged with therapy?

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-07 11:32 AM | Reply

#58 - U=U? He's citing that study?
---- what a disingenuous POS.
He sure as hell won't cite it after repeated calls to do so.
Yep. He's a liar.

#59 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-07 11:55 AM | Reply

I don't know if he's citing that study.

But the ones I've found looking at transmission between partners found zero risk only in cases where viral loads were suppressed by treatment.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-07 12:24 PM | Reply

I don't spread misinformation - you and your ilk do that. AIDS is a lifestyle disease in the US. It is almost exclusively related to gay men and drug abusers. If you don't want to get AIDS, don't have sex with gay men and don't do drugs. It is pretty simple.

#38 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

I'm trying to decide if you truly believe this as science, or if you're just trolling. Do you live in or near the 66604 zip code?

#61 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-06-07 01:44 PM | Reply

It's a damn shame that Roy Cohn didn't transmit AIDS to the-------------------.

#63 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2021-06-07 09:14 PM | Reply

Incel Fatberg contracted AIDS by giving --------- to the Proud Boys.

#65 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-06-07 09:23 PM | Reply

You could be Wilt Chamberlain,,,,or you could be Magic Johnson.

Just shut up already Chrisn

#66 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-06-07 09:27 PM | Reply

Incel Fatberg, you're the pin cushion who repeatedly offered his gaping gopher hole to Brock Lesnar.

#69 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-06-07 09:31 PM | Reply

My assumption.....

You should start all your posts that way.

#70 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-06-07 09:33 PM | Reply

So, basically, I can bang your mom 100 times - I would be out about $1,000 bucks, but I would have no chance of AIDS.

#67 | Posted by ChrisN_1991

Yeah but your party "of freedom and personal accountability" would throw you in jail for paying for sex, where you'd get raped and get aids.

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-07 09:35 PM | Reply

Irl Incel Fatberg is a butt ----.

#74 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-06-07 09:35 PM | Reply

Go tell Brock Lesnar to his face that he is gay you coward. Internet Toughman syndrome runs strong in you.

#71 | Posted by ChrisN_1991

Says the guy talking like an internet toughman.

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-07 09:36 PM | Reply

Cocaine fuelled sex with Barack ,$10 bucks for your mom,lol.

Just go--------, you wander. And take a nap.

#77 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-06-07 09:42 PM | Reply

-------------, but you knew that.

#78 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-06-07 09:43 PM | Reply

I am speaking the truth to soy boys - I am not afraid of being hit by their purses.

#76 | Posted by ChrisN_1991

Please tell us what makes you so manly and tough internet man.

Your embrace of right wing propaganda and conspiracy theories? Is being a gullible chump a manly characteristic?

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-07 09:47 PM | Reply

Larry Sinclair lies as much as the piss-chugging-------------------.
www.politico.com

#81 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-06-07 09:49 PM | Reply

#78 - as a big fan of wanking, of course I did.

#82 | Posted by jakester at 2021-06-07 09:49 PM | Reply

In reality, you are not angry at me - you are angry at the truth I bring to this thread and your own lack of self-control.

You live in a fantasy world supported by lies you tell yourself to make you feel better about yourself. The lies that feed hate and intolerance and blame.

You don't bring truth. You bring nothing but lies exposed by your own self-righteousness and self-deceit.

Evidence of this is in your refusal to cite or back up anything you post.

You merit the disgust and contempt expressed by myself and so many here.

But you are all alone in your lies and hatred on this thread.

And that brings me joy, not anger.

#83 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-07 10:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...and your own lack of self-control."

The only folks who consider it self-control when around men are closeted gay men in self-denial of their own sexuality.

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-07 11:33 PM | Reply

Exactly, Danforth. I've seen his type all my life.
The proof of what you're saying is in his constant projection on to others.
Like #85.

I'm starting to feel pity for him. Clearly he's scarred. Damaged.

#86 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-08 07:13 AM | Reply

#85 - WTF?

#87 | Posted by jakester at 2021-06-08 08:12 AM | Reply

"We all know Danforth likes to indulge in some man ass from time to time."

You gave away the game, dummy.

I had an entire career in theatre, around a lot, and I mean A LOT of gay men. Never once did I EVER have to practice "self-control"...since I've never been attracted to men.

You, on the other hand, called out Yav for supposed "lack of self-control". Someone would only make that comment if THEY had to practice self-control, or would've otherwise given into their urges.

Of course, even a cursory read of your page shows you turn almost every post into a fantasy about gay sex. And that's okay, unless...you think that's not okay, in which case, you should seek professional help.

But we get it, pal: you're the bastard son of Ted Haggard and Roy Cohn.

#88 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-08 09:13 AM | Reply

We all know Danforth likes to indulge in some man ass from time to time. Tell us Dan, how did you manage to avoid HIV?

#85 | Posted by ChrisN_1991

The only people thinking about man ass are the guys like you who are fighting against your true nature.

#89 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-08 02:17 PM | Reply

extreme drug user so you have a weakened immune system, the chance of transmission is about 1:5000.

#62 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

LOL this dumb ---- thinks drug users get it because of a "weakened immune system."

Hey moron, if I injected you with HIV right now you'd probably get it.

#90 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-08 02:51 PM | Reply

So, he is crushing his immune system through the use of inhalant drugs and treatment for other STDs - which makes him a candidate to get HIV.

#68 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

Just STFU you ignorant ----.

#91 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-08 02:52 PM | Reply

Was it roy cohn or roy cohen who went from being Hoover's boyfriend to an AIDS statistic?

#92 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-08 05:59 PM | Reply

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