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Wednesday, June 09, 2021

U.S. health officials are scrambling to get more Americans vaccinated to keep the Covid variant Delta, first identified in India, from proliferating across the country.

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If you're not vaccinated at this point it's because you can't or won't. What are we supposed to do? Wrestle people down the holdouts and inject them?

#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-06-09 08:58 AM | Reply

Forget it.

Rational pleas fall on 50-60% deaf ears in this country.

We're a cess pool of Dunning-Kruger poster children who think they're all geniuses while simultaneously believing everything they read on the internets.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 09:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

First the virus came for the old, but many didn't care because they were not old.

Then the virus came for those in close contact with the public, but many didn't care because they didn't go out.

The the vaccine came, and those who were convinced the whole thing was a hoax put forth by the left said so, and refused the vaccine.

Then the virus mutated, and now is coming for the anti-vaxxers and Trump believers...

#3 | Posted by catdog at 2021-06-09 09:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Make it a felony to be unvaccinated and vote in person.

#4 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-09 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Require a vaccine passport to board a plane.

#5 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-09 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you're not vaccinated at this point it's because you can't or won't. What are we supposed to do? Wrestle people down the holdouts and inject them?

#1 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2021-06-09 08:58 AM | REPLY

YES.

#6 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-06-09 09:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

#1 - not in the literal sense, but prohibit them from engaging in certain non-vital public activities like flying, eating inside of a restaurant, etc.

#7 | Posted by jakester at 2021-06-09 10:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@##1 ... If you're not vaccinated at this point it's because you can't or won't. What are we supposed to do? Wrestle people down the holdouts and inject them? ...

Aside from convincing them to change their minds, there is little that can be done to make them get vaccinated. It is something they have to decide to do of their own free choice.

The question is, how can they be convinced? Why has caused them to hold the opinion they do?

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-06-09 10:43 AM | Reply

"What are we supposed to do? Wrestle people down the holdouts and inject them?"

Fire them.

Anyone who interacts with the public should get the vaccine or lose their job.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-09 10:46 AM | Reply

not in the literal sense, but prohibit them from engaging in certain non-vital public activities like flying, eating inside of a restaurant, etc.

#7 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

Yeah then they'll cry their freedumbs are being violated.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 11:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Aside from convincing them to change their minds, there is little that can be done to make them get vaccinated. It is something they have to decide to do of their own free choice."

I had no choice about getting my kids vaccinated for Polio and other diseases before they could attend school. I do not buy into the idiotic idea that they have to decide of their own free choice, they are still spreading the disease and killing other people. If you get rabies they will come to your home and arrest you if you don't voluntarily let them give you madications to cure your illness. Right wing wackos always wave their flags and claim that their idiotic opinions are to protect their "freedumbs."

#11 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-09 11:29 AM | Reply

"Yeah then they'll cry their freedumbs are being violated."

They are gonna do that regardless.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-09 11:29 AM | Reply

So Trumpers believe China let this thing escape from their lab, but they still won't get vaccinated.

What exactly is the disconnect there?

It's disheartening that a small minority of selfish people can create a world where the rest of us have to wear masks forever, because the small minority who won't get vaccinated are guaranteeing this thing won't ever go away.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-09 11:34 AM | Reply

@#11 ... I do not buy into the idiotic idea that they have to decide of their own free choice, ...

Not surprising.

I still do not believe that forced vaccinations is the answer.

... I had no choice about getting my kids vaccinated for Polio and other diseases before they could attend school. ...

So you did have a choice. You were not forced, you decided.


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-06-09 12:03 PM | Reply

No vaccination?

No school.
No flying.
No cruises.
No trains.
No dining in house in restaurants.
No movie theaters.
No bars.
No gym.
...

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#8 | Posted by LampLighter

Agreed - what caused them to have the position they have.

- A lot of them still believe Trump and it is nothing more than the flu. That's the core reason for probably about 50%-60% of them.

- Some think if they had it they can't get it again or it will be just the same if they do. Which is not true. And the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for sure offer more protection than just getting a variant.

- Others are full of FUD from all the misinformation out there that was spread through Social Media. When the article came out that over half the misinformation around the vaccines was originating from just 12 people on(The Disinformation Dozen - original paper at the link) on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram that should have woke some people and it didn't. FB didn't even shut down all the accounts last I had read. These same people are responsible for 73% of anti-vaxxer misinformation on FB overall.

- Minorities have a mistrust of the medical community with good reason.

- Honestly there are side affects and people fear those. There are side effects to drinking coffee. And I can almost guarantee there are more and in general worse side effects to any medication you may be on. I think we will find they all can cause clots under the right circumstances BUT that is such a small percentage of people compared to those that are dying from the disease across all the segments that if you are worried about dying, getting the vaccine is still a no brainer.

Or it is some combination of the above.

The big issue in my mind at this time is children are left unvaccinated. They don't have a choice. "Delta" will not be the last variant but it is a extremely contagious. Even the vaccinated are getting it with a high frequency in India.

It's amazing how many people I know that have had their lives changed by this disease and the ignorant just keep muddling along as if this is overblown.

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-06-09 01:22 PM | Reply

#11 | Posted by danni

I was pretty much with you until the Right wing piece - I know some pretty extreme liberals who do not want it. That's what amazes me - the ones I know are all victims to the FUDD spread on Social Media. Heck I had on young guy I know tell me he read it causes ED and sterility and that's why he was afraid. Of course his Girlfriend already had the vaccination though...

#17 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-06-09 01:27 PM | Reply

#14 | Posted by LampLighter

Sometimes the greater good is served by forcing people to do things they don't like or want.

I don't want to pull permits to build a house.
I don't want to obey the speed limit.
I don't want to wear safety glasses.
I don't want to follow whatever health and safety rule.

When it comes to public health and well being you have to force some to do the right thing. It's not that I don't agree all the time I think some things go WAY to far. Some things don't even serve their proclaimed purpose.

This is a time I think that public health and things like the Economy are far better served by forcing the issue. Just excluding the unvaccinated from much of society will force the issue with most of them. They will get a vaccine to: Dine Out, Go to Work, Vacation, Shop, etc.

I look at all the preventable death and illness out there that could be resolved by forcing the issue with vaccines (not just COVID-19) and it is sad.

#18 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-06-09 01:36 PM | Reply

@#18 ... When it comes to public health and well being you have to force some to do the right thing. ...

When I think of being forced, to me that means do it or go to jail. period.

I much prefer the approach stated in #15. I actually think that approach may be more effectiv.


... I don't want to pull permits to build a house.
I don't want to obey the speed limit.
I don't want to wear safety glasses.
I don't want to follow whatever health and safety rule. ...

You don't have to build a house, or drive or wear safety glasses, etc. You decide to get the permit, obey the speed limit, etc. because the other choice is not being able to do what you want to do.

Again, that's why I like the approach on #15.


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-06-09 01:47 PM | Reply

Fire them.
Anyone who interacts with the public should get the vaccine or lose their job.

#9 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-06-09 10:46 AM | FLAG:

That would make for some interesting wrongful termination suits. You'd probably win, it's not against HIPAA, but it will be expensive. That's just the Won't crowd. There are people that can't get vaccinated. They have been refused after having anaphylactic reactions to injections at other points in their life. You'll find discriminating against them for medical conditions to be problematic.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-06-09 02:29 PM | Reply

"There are people that can't get vaccinated."

A tiny few have an actual medical exemption are just that, exempt.

You and I have no excuse.

So, what's your excuse?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-09 04:37 PM | Reply

#23 Liar.
Trump was limp in pushing vaxx.
www.politico.com

Harris said she would not trust Trump on vaccine, because of his torrent of lies and false medical claims.
www.cnn.com

#24 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-09 09:44 PM | Reply

#22 | Posted by ChrisN_1991
#23 | Posted by ChrisN_1991

LOL :)

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

#25 | Posted by billy_boy at 2021-06-09 09:50 PM | Reply

#22
"No one should be forced to disclose their medical status."

I agree like Lamp I like #15 you aren't forced to but if you refuse you can be barred from certain activities. Just like if you refuse to wear shoes you can be barred from certain activities.

"if you have been vaccinated - why do you care if someone else chooses not to? If you believe the vaccines work, it poses no danger to you."

At this point in the discussion if you don't understand about heard immunity, spread causing mutations and breakthrough infections then you are choosing to be willfully ignorant.

" people deem to be more dangerous than the disease it purports to prevent."

If people deem it to be more dangerous than the disease I really don't know what to say. The mortality statistics are pretty straightforward, there isn't much ambiguity so if people still think that it's more dangerous they need to do a check of their sources.

As far as forcing though I agree no force but don't expect to be welcome too many places outside your home, and don't expect me to come into your house to fix your stuff either.

#26 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-06-09 09:52 PM | Reply

"Harris said she would not trust Trump on vaccine, because of his torrent of lies and false medical claims.
www.cnn.com"

Exactly. Kamala expressed what every Democrat/liberal I know was thinking at the time: We ain't gonna take Trump's word for the vaccine being safe:

'I will not take his word for it': Kamala Harris says she would not trust Trump alone on a coronavirus vaccine

"Yes. I trust Dr. Fauci," Harris continued. She said she "would trust the word of public health experts and scientists, but not Donald Trump."

www.cnn.com

Why would anyone in their right mind listen to Trump, the man who told thousands of lies as POTUS, on anything? Trump is "a truly a disgusting, vile creature." Not Kamala, but thanks for playing the projection game.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-09 10:22 PM | Reply

As for the rest - if you have been vaccinated - why do you care if someone else chooses not to? If you believe the vaccines work, it poses no danger to you.

Standard ignorance spewed by anti-vaxxers.

The left wing believes in 'my body my choice' when it comes to killing babies but somehow thinks that choice should be stripped away when trying to force people to get a medical procedure people deem to be more dangerous than the disease it purports to prevent.

#22 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

Who gives a ---- what they "deem."

I feel no need to humor the dangerous ignorance of Dunning-Kruger -------.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 10:31 PM | Reply

"This is absolutely demented thinking. You honestly believe that Trump would shove an unsafe vaccine on people for political points?"

Who knows why Trump tells the lies he does? It would take many hours to research and document the number of lies he told related to the coronavirus alone.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-09 10:34 PM | Reply

Here's a complication of Trump's "biggest lies" regarding Covid-19, pre-election:

All the President's Lies About the Coronavirus
An unfinished compendium of Trump's overwhelming dishonesty during a national emergency
NOVEMBER 2, 2020

www.theatlantic.com

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-09 10:37 PM | Reply

"You can try to explain this away all you want - Kamala scared people about taking the vaccine."

Nah, she didn't scare many liberals but rather mirrored their thinking, and I doubt many conservatives were following her lead back then.

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-09 10:39 PM | Reply

This is absolutely demented thinking. You honestly believe that Trump would shove an unsafe vaccine on people for political points? I think the Liberals are stupid -- but even I don't assign this level of murderous intent to what they do. You people are unreal.

That fat piece of ---- politicized everything else COVID related and killed over half a million people

No, it's not demented to think he'd play politics with the vaccine. He did afterwards, claiming the study releases that led to the emergency authorizations were released after the election to hurt his chances.

The demented orange skid mark deserved to be questioned in that fashion.

This one didn't age well. He lied to you about masks - and then lied to you again about why he lied to you about masks. He lied about funding the Wuhan lab. He lied about it not being possible for it to be a lab leak. He lied to you about a vaccine needing 3-4 years. He lied about gain of function research at the Wuhan lab. He lied about funding gain of function research at the Wuhan lab. Fauci's lies are amounting to criminal intent at this point.

Except all those "lies" are only "lies" to the dumb ----- who believe the lie that the election was stolen.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 10:41 PM | Reply

"Honestly now - you believe that Trump would knowingly and willingly kill Americans? I want you on record with this belief."

My belief is that you would have to be a fool to take Trump's word alone as the final truth about anything. When it comes to Trump, I wouldn't say, "Trust but verify." I'd say, "Verify, verify, verify."

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-09 10:45 PM | Reply

If you think it was the 'Trump influence' leading to vaccination hesitancy, then you need to explain why the groups that most heavily supported Biden (Black and Latinos) having the lowest vaccination rates and Trump's biggest constituency - old white people - having the highest.

Because those are traditionally under served populations? Because our medical system is tiered by income?

In any case ...

www.npr.org

Try again -------.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 10:45 PM | Reply

This is absolutely demented thinking. You honestly believe that Trump would shove an unsafe vaccine on people for political points?

Then can we all be safe in assuming you injected bleach into your veins while swallowing hydroxychloroquine, and shoving a black light up your ass?

#41 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 10:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Seems like Kamala scared them."

She told them not to trust Trump but to trust someone like Fauci, the very person you say lied and lied to everyone in such significant ways. Seems like you and your ilk are the ones undercutting trust in the vaccine.

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-09 10:48 PM | Reply

Have you been vaccinated? They you have nothing to fear from them.

#32 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

Incorrect, Dunning-Kruger ------.

For several reasons.

You made a complete fool of yourself on the AIDS thread, I guess you're back for more?

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 10:49 PM | Reply

Honestly now - you believe that Trump would knowingly and willingly kill Americans?

How cute. You think he actually thought about Americans when making decisions.

Willing has nothing to do with it. He simply only cared about what was best for him and his wallet.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 10:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"then you need to explain why the groups that most heavily supported Biden (Black and Latinos) having the lowest vaccination rate"

Okay, in addition to the factors JPW mentioned:

What is vaccine hesitancy?
Although vaccines save lives, vaccine hesitancy--a tendency to avoid or put off getting a vaccine--affects all demographics, especially when a new vaccine enters the market.

Institutional racism and historical inequities in health care may also play a role in vaccine hesitancy among African Americans and other people of color. Incidents of the medical establishment endangering the health or betraying the trust of Black patients and research participants have complicated the relationship between the medical establishment and these communities. A historic lack of diversity among health care practitioners and substandard services and care afforded to patients living with poverty can create enduring negative experiences with medical care.

Vaccine hesitancy among some groups can result from fears that a family member's immigration status will be under scrutiny, or that the costs of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine will be too expensive. (There is no charge for receiving the COVID-19 vaccines at this time.)


www.hopkinsmedicine.org

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-09 10:54 PM | Reply

ChrisN just can't (won't) remember Tuskegee. I'm sure he won't read it, or even look into it, but maybe if he did he could get a glimps into what's going on by at least perusing this: www.penguinrandomhouse.com

#47 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 10:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"ChrisN just can't (won't) remember Tuskegee."

Thanks for posting that, YAV.

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-09 10:59 PM | Reply

#48 - you lied and were soundly called out repeatedly for it. You're lying on this thread. For instance, it wasn't 350K that died under Trump.

400K under Trump, as of January 20th, and nothing of significance in place to get people vaccinated when Biden came into power.
You can't even be honest about the number of people that died under Trump's reign.
apnews.com

#50 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 10:59 PM | Reply

"I only debate facts."

Facts have a well-known liberal bias. --Stephen Colbert

Have you tried debating feelings?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-09 11:02 PM | Reply

You're too brain damaged to engage with ChrisN. Seriously you are ------ up.

No, they are lies in the sense that what he said was not true and he knew it was not true when he made the statements. For goodness sake, we have his damn emails. The guy is 100% caught and will likely be charged with lying to Congress and fired.

As if we needed more proof you aren't tethered to reality, you give us the above.

You aren't sane.

#53 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 11:03 PM | Reply

"It is demented to think Trump would knowingly kill people. I will say, the MSM did do this with hydroxychloroquine. They turned that political when they didn't need to and that ended up killing people."

Link?

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-09 11:03 PM | Reply

You're too brain damaged to engage with, ChrisN.

A comma makes all the difference.

#55 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 11:03 PM | Reply

"If you think it was the 'Trump influence' leading to vaccination hesitancy, then you need to explain why the groups that most heavily supported Biden (Black and Latinos) having the lowest vaccination rates and Trump's biggest constituency - old white people - having the highest."

Actually, Trump's biggest constituency is Evangelicals. FYI:

In December, 52 percent of Black Americans said they would "wait and see" before signing up for a vaccination, while only 20 percent said they wanted the shot as soon as possible, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. At the time, the share of Black people who were skeptical about the vaccine was higher than white respondents (36 percent) and Latinos (43 percent). These figures have been shifting in recent months overall, but particularly for Black Americans.

In a March survey by KFF, 55 percent of Black respondents said they wanted the vaccination as soon as possible or were already vaccinated. Twenty-four percent were still holding back to wait and see about the vaccine's effects. Meanwhile, Republicans and white evangelical Christians were the most likely groups to say they will not be vaccinated, according to the survey.


www.nbcnews.com

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-09 11:11 PM | Reply

This is just a stupid statement. Under Trump, about 350k died.

Not even close. Total deaths through January 20th was about 427,000.

www.worldometers.info

However, we need to define a baseline for assessing his performance.

You mean you need to throw out variables until you can justify the piss poor response.

If we use Germany and adjust for obesity rates, we are about the same. The thought we could have had a death rate of 0 is just delusional thinking.

What about Canada? A country more culturally similar to the US?

And why just death rate? Your preferred adjustment don't hold up when you look at a better metric of total cases per capita.

It is demented to think Trump would knowingly kill people. I will say, the MSM did do this with hydroxychloroquine. They turned that political when they didn't need to and that ended up killing people.

HCQ failed. It had nothing to do with politics.

But thanks for bringing it up. It's yet another example of Trump politicizing the COVID response.

No, they are lies in the sense that what he said was not true and he knew it was not true when he made the statements. For goodness sake, we have his damn emails. The guy is 100% caught and will likely be charged with lying to Congress and fired.

#44 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

I know we have the emails.

They don't say what the right wing --------- have been pushing.

No surprise you'd fall for it.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 11:19 PM | Reply

Everything I posted on the AIDS thread was 100% true.
#48 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

LOL not even close.

For beginners, drug users aren't more likely to catch HIV because drug use depresses the immune system.

That alone makes your assertion laughable.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 11:20 PM | Reply

Your revisionism is laughable, ChrisN.
You also can't own up to the 400K deaths under Trump and you.
You're lying again with your 250k-ish number. It's 200K since January 20th, and that's being highly slanted against Biden given there was no handoff, Trump lied about vaccine shipments to States, and you can't stop the wave of the results from the infections that came as a result of all the bad management of COVID before Biden finally came into power. Hysteresis.

What you can do, if you were capable of being honest, which you're not, is look at what Biden accomnplished and how rapidly the COVID deaths and infections dropped once he got the vaccine program spun up and working. One HE contracted to buy the vaccine for the U.S.

I mispoke about you being too brain damaged to engage with.

You're just too dishonest to let your lies stand.

#61 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 11:23 PM | Reply

#60 - you're awfully busy lying, lying, lying. It's sad you're that pathetic of a human. Genuinely sad.

#62 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 11:24 PM | Reply

A historical black university conspiring with Dems in government to give black people syphilis

Too bad planning started in 1928-29 under the Hoover administration.

And the study went on for 40 years, ie under administrations from both parties.

Idiot.

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 11:27 PM | Reply

LMAO!!!! Oh ----!! It doesn't get much better!
Peter H. Duesberg!

Probably one of the only people on the planet that doesn't believe that HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

Now I know you're seriously ------ up.

#65 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 11:29 PM | Reply

Biden stepped into a situation with multiple vaccines invented and already being administered and yet he has allowed 250k-ish Americans to die under his 5 months in office. He seems more incompetent than Cuomo.

#57 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

Barely being administered with reserves dry and the plan practically non-existent.

As pointed out, you're not even using accurate numbers. On January 20 there was 427,000 deaths. We sit at 619,000.

Biden has been far more competent than Trump.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 11:30 PM | Reply

Too many negatives in that - I was laughing too hard when I typed it!

"doesn't believe that HIV causes AIDS"

I'm still laughing.

Oh my god!

#67 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 11:31 PM | Reply

Good God is ChrisN Jacque Strap? Apparently RCADE banned Family Values when I was in hospital in April. Is it him?

#69 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-06-09 11:37 PM | Reply

#68 - More lies and assertions without a single citation or proof. This is ridiculous.

#70 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 11:38 PM | Reply

#69 - it's a good guess.
This guy is a ------' loon.

#71 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 11:39 PM | Reply

Yo.
ChrisN.
You never answered me.

Then can we all be safe in assuming you injected bleach into your veins while swallowing hydroxychloroquine, and shoving a black light up your ass?

Or is the SARS-CoV-2 virus not responsible for COVID-19, like HIV isn't responsible for AIDS? South Africa under Mbeki didn't fare well under that discredited -------- from your hero Duesberg. Maybe better in raw numbers than Trump - only 300K deaths. Then again the population of SA was way, way smaller than the US. Per capita the results of Duesberg's hypothesis was closer to genocide.

You're not doing so well here, bro.

#72 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 11:45 PM | Reply

We have Fauci telling medical professions that masks don't work - this flies in the face of his current lie stating that he lied to stop a run on PPE.

There are multiple emails about masks.

They state what is currently known to be true-wearing cloth masks is more about catching excretions from infected individuals, not protecting the wearer from somebody else.

Studies done since those emails have shown they do offer protection to the wearer. Not as much as an N95 or other respirator but better than nothing.

He lied about GoF research in Wuhan - he forward a copy of a study proving exactly that in early 2020 and put his right hand man on the spin job.

If you're referring to the Baric Nature Medicine study it wasn't done in China so it doesn't prove that at all.

In fact it doesn't even really describe GoF research, but I'm sure you've read it and know that, right?

He lied about the possibility of a lab leak - again, his emails prove that.

He was skeptical of a lab leak in emails, just like he is now. Just like everybody but retarded Trumpers is still.

This is not about feelings - these are documented facts.

#60 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

No, you're just a documented lying sack of ----.

Actually, you might just be gullible and stupid and don't even know you're lying because you're just mindlessly repeating what you've heard but don't understand.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 11:51 PM | Reply

Well, I can take your word for it or the word of Peter H. Duesberg

Duesberg. LOL

Thanks for saying I'm a Michelin 5 star lunch compared to that old turd. You're too kind.

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-09 11:53 PM | Reply

*headdesk*

#76 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 11:53 PM | Reply

#76 for #73.
Good luck, JPW.
Wow

#77 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-09 11:55 PM | Reply

$78 - "let me demean you, someone I know nothing about, and compare you to a recognized, and somehow 'respected' crack-pot way past his prime that's helped kill hundreds of thousands of people."

LMAO!

#79 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-10 12:01 AM | Reply

Another helpful hint, ChrisN:

When employing the "appeal to authority" logical fallacy it really fools more people if you use an actual authority that's respected.

You're welcome.

#80 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-10 12:02 AM | Reply

Because the population density is no where near the same - nor the rate of obesity.

You're admitting to cherry picking variables here and you don't even know it.

Guess what states have the highest per capita cases in the US. Top 5:

1. North Dakota
2. Rhode Island
3. South Dakota
4. Iowa
5. Utah

www.worldometers.info

You don't hit a major state with high population density until #12 with NJ. NY is #17, Try again ---- head.

That said, Germany is 50% worse than Canada per capita so you are laying those deaths at Angela's feet?

Something was clearly different. Cases per capita weren't that far off. Outcomes were.

Also, we should be receiving some pretty big death revisions once our definition of COVID death is brought in line with the rest of the world.

Sure. Is this like all the other "evidence" that's always sure to be coming soon and prove you right and the stupid libruls wrong? LOL

Because total cases is a function of actually testing - which makes countries impossible to compare.

No it doesn't. We know roughly the proportions of symptomatic to asymptomatic cases. Number of cases gives you a benchmark for prevalence in the populace.

Not what the studies say.

#68 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

That's exactly what the studies say.

Multiple large, controlled trials at multiple centers in the US and around the world found no benefit for HCQ in treating COVID patients.

Hence why it wasn't used regularly to treat COVID patients.

That is unless doctors outside the US decided to stick it to Trump and let their patients get substandard care.

Jesus Christ you're dumber than dog ----.

#82 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-10 12:11 AM | Reply

No, COVID is a virus

No, --------, COVID is a disease caused by the virus SARS-CoV-2.

COVID = Coronavirus disease 2019.

we just attribute all deaths to it vs. stating it was the primary cause leading to our numbers being inflated when compared across countries.
#73 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

Is this the latest version of the 6% stupidity?

#83 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-10 12:24 AM | Reply

Which is why you are pulling a whopping $12/hour in your late 30's at a 3rd rate university

LOL the only thing correct is my age.

vs. a respected UC Berkeley staff member.

#78 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

He is anything but respected.

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-10 12:25 AM | Reply

You might want to follow your own advice when quoting that fool Fauci.

#81 | POSTED BY CHRISN_1991

He is respected by anybody worth listening to.

Only the Trump cultists and Fox News morons think otherwise.

Mostly because they a. need to defend dear leader and b. are stupider than ---- and don't know what they don't know.

#85 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-10 12:26 AM | Reply

"How much do you make per hour?"

Less than my parents, at this age.

Of course, they grew up poor, and I grew up with their hot water.
So it's their fault for coddling me.
Or it's my fault for not trying harder.
Or both.

As long as it's somebody's fault.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 12:59 AM | Reply

How much do you make per hour? Is the actual number $10?

$9.99.

I'm actually Herman Cain.

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-10 01:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Michelin 5 star restaurant"

Pfft. Like you'd know.

Tell us: How many Michelin 5-Star restaurants have you dined at?

#90 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-10 02:13 AM | Reply

Tell us: How many Michelin 5-Star restaurants have you dined at?

#90 | Posted by Danforth

That's a funny trick question!

#92 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-06-10 03:45 AM | Reply

I don't think dude has opened the guide before..

#93 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-06-10 07:41 AM | Reply

"There are people that can't get vaccinated."

#21 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-06-09 04:37 PM | REPLY

They number in the millions. Since you're cool with unvaxxed people working public jobs because they're exempt, you can simmer down with that fire everybody unvaxxed by choice.

#94 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-06-10 07:48 AM | Reply

Vaxxed, masked or fired. Pick one.

#95 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-10 09:01 AM | Reply

Since you're cool with unvaxxed people working public jobs because they're exempt, you can simmer down with that fire everybody unvaxxed by choice.

#94 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

So those with medical exemptions are on the same plane as those who simply refuse?

#96 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-10 09:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's a funny trick question!"

Dang! You gave it away!!!

I was going to bet him I'd been to 100x his number.

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-10 12:00 PM | Reply

No shoes no shirt no vaccine no service.

Ez pz

#98 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-06-10 12:22 PM | Reply

Here's the most hilarious part about Fauci. All of his emails were indicative of a person who had an opinion that changed over time based on new evidence. The Reps are making it a big deal because it's just another way for them to attack the other side.

But the hilarious part that Dems are completely ignoring and showing their hypocrisy once again is that if you excuse Fauci's flip-flopping and decisions based on opinions and not facts (which I do), then you ALSO have to excuse Trump because he did the EXACT. SAME. THING. The EXACT same thing. His opinion didn't agree with the conclusions being made at the time so he responded just like Fauci. Then, more data started coming out and we started learning more and Trump's actions and words started changing.

So, Fauci and Trump used the exact same thinking when responding to the virus. Yet, Dems are still trying to demonize Trump for his reactions and now Reps are demonizing Fauci for this reactions, which were on paper and not known before but they are now.

So, sorry Dems, but you now have to agree that Trump's handling of the virus was appropriate. If you do not, then you also have to agree that Fauci's wasn't either. Sucks to be pigeon-holed, doesn't it? :-)

#99 | Posted by humtake at 2021-06-10 04:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

So those with medical exemptions are on the same plane as those who simply refuse?

#96 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-06-10 09:21 AM | FLAG:

How do you feel about banning them from public facing jobs? Seeing how far people want to go before we start putting the yellow stars on them.

#100 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-06-10 06:01 PM | Reply

"Seeing how far people want to go before we start putting the yellow stars on them."

No one is stopping you from putting a yellow star on yourself.

In fact, I highly encourage you to do so!

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 06:02 PM | Reply

"They number in the millions."

I doubt that there are a million people who can't ever get any of the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.

But even if there are, so what? They have a reason not to get vaccinated. You don't.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 06:06 PM | Reply

I see no problem keeping people who can't get vaccinated -- for any reason -- out of certain jobs.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 06:07 PM | Reply

#69 I didn't know you were in the hospital. Glad you're out.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 06:09 PM | Reply

If anyone ever wanted a definition of what an authoritarian neo-liberal is, all one has to do is read this thread.

It's not enough to be left alone, they want you to suffer unless you do exactly as told. If we were fighting WWII today we'd all be speaking German. What a bunch of -------.

#105 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-06-10 06:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Seeing how far people want to go before we start putting the yellow stars on them.

#100 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Anybody who makes a Nazi comparison in this context is an idiot.

#106 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-10 07:05 PM | Reply

#99 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

This post started so rationally I pinched myself.

Then I read read the second paragraph.

#107 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-10 07:07 PM | Reply

If anyone ever wanted a definition of what an authoritarian neo-liberal is, all one has to do is read this thread.

LOL yeah, how terrible to not want ignorance and stupidity to ruin somebody else's life.

It's not enough to be left alone, they want you to suffer unless you do exactly as told.

You are left alone to wallow in your own stupidity and ignorance.

The problem arises when you insist on others respecting your stupidity and ignorance as you mingle among them completely not give two ----- you might be passing a serious viral infection to others.

If we were fighting WWII today we'd all be speaking German. What a bunch of -------.

#105 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Right. The author of that hysterical pile of ---- post is the manly one here.

STFU ------.

#108 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-10 07:09 PM | Reply

It's not enough to be left alone, they want you to suffer unless you do exactly as told.

#105 | Posted by BellRinger

Yeah sure. It has nothing to do with your stupid cult trying to overthrow democracy and install a fascist tyrant.

Poor little victims are being treated badly for no reason at all.

#109 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-10 07:16 PM | Reply

If we were fighting WWII today we'd all be speaking German.

#105 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-06-10 06:59 PM | Reply | Flag

Well, this much is certainly correct, but for opposite reason you assert. The folks refusing the vaccine are, for the most part, the same ones that couldn't bother to sacrifice the mild discomfort of a mask to protect the larger population or the horror of not getting a haircut. They would never have been willing to give up meat, metal, rubber, and so many other everyday items for the war effort. They are also likely the same population that would have been arguing we should have sided with Germany in WWII right along with Lindbergh and many of those "ant-communists" in the American Bund.

#110 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2021-06-10 09:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If we were fighting WWII today we'd all be speaking German."

If we were fighting WWII today, Germany would be the good guys.

Germany has universal health care. We don't.

Germany signed the UN Declaration on Human Rights. We didn't.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 09:30 PM | Reply

"If anyone ever wanted a definition of what an authoritarian neo-liberal is, all one has to do is read this thread."

Oh you poor helpless victim.

Go put on your Yellow Star. You're clearly subhuman, since can't even defend yourself from liberals -- even with all your guns. You must be literally physically disabled to be so helpless.

How much welfare do you drain from the taxpayers, basket case?

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 09:36 PM | Reply

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