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Thursday, June 10, 2021

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They found a treasure trove of documents in the basement.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-06-10 12:52 PM | Reply

I heard there was a red bike down there.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-10 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Imagine if you where France, and the entire god-dam Imperial Amy of Mexico steals all your territory from coach-to-coast, then grabs California from Russia, and half of Southern Mexico from Guatemala, imports more African slaves per capita than the South because Indian slaved lived about 1-2 years in the mines, and then genocided them when Spain ende3d slavery in its colonies. Well, a handful survived (Mexico is 1% black today, unlike Brazil which is like half or something) but at least they ended segregation in 1996.

#3 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-10 04:36 PM | Reply

The problem isn't that there is bound to be some revisionist history with all things. The problem is that people so intent on one ideology are so easily swayed to believe EVERYTHING introduced by revisionism. I'm sure there is some truth to the article and I'm sure there are some embellishments, like almost every other kind of revisionism.

#4 | Posted by humtake at 2021-06-10 04:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The first paragraph of the story is interesting. It not only gives a good analogy of what was happening then, that is also exactly what happened in the thirteen colonies a few decades earlier and gave birth to the United States.

That aside, the Battle of the Alamo was not what really pissed the Texians off. It was the Goliad Massacre a month later. The cries "remember Goliad" were more common than "remember the Alamo" at the Battle of San Jacinto (18 minutes long) that led to the birth of the Republic of Texas.

#5 | Posted by jakester at 2021-06-10 04:49 PM | Reply

By the way, the word Texian above is not a typo. That is what the inhabitants of the Republic of Texas and pre-revolution Texas were called. When Texas became a state, they became Texans.

#6 | Posted by jakester at 2021-06-10 04:52 PM | Reply

If you want to know the truth, read any encyclopedia. I swear, why does time even do stupid crap like this? "President" Santa Anna? Do they even know six states rebelled simultaneously when "President" Santa Anna overthrew the Republic and declared himself Emperor, and banned democracy and gun ownership? But only Texas made it through, the others where too close to Mexico city?

#7 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-10 04:59 PM | Reply

The "Heroic Anglo Narrative" seems to be the only type of narrative Republicans can believe in.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

fillmorecountyjournal.com

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 05:08 PM | Reply

Wait. Who didn't tell that guy that about half the defenders where local Indians and local Hispanic farmers? You know why there's no graves at the Alamo? A To a nobleman, the penalty for rebellion is death. The bodies where burned completely.

Imagine what's going to happen to us if the oligarchs really can use the woke to paralyze society into silent slaves....

#10 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-10 05:12 PM | Reply

Santa Anna was ruthless and bloodthirsty. When he ordered his general at Goliad, General Urrea IIRC to carry out the massacre, Urrea refused saying it was terribly wrong. Santa Anna then wrote back telling him if he didn't do it, he'd send someone who would and make sure Urrea was with the Texians who were massacred.

This whitewashed version is as guilty of altering history through omission as the author is accusing general history of being.

Santa Anna's leg is in Illinois in case anyone was wondering.

#11 | Posted by jakester at 2021-06-10 05:17 PM | Reply

Imagine what's going to happen to us if the oligarchs really can use the woke to paralyze society into silent slaves....

#10 | Posted by HeliumRat

Will it be anything like when a con man criminal cons the dumb half of society into choosing fascism over democracy?

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-10 05:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Huh?

The whitewashed version is the general history version.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 05:20 PM | Reply

"Imagine what's going to happen to us if the oligarchs really can use the woke to paralyze society into silent slaves..."

I don't have to imagine, it's already here:
The slaves to the Oligarch will refuse to get vaccinated, in hopes to bring down the entire rotten civilization.
Better to destroy America than let Democrats run America.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 05:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The first rule of Critical Theory: never defend a Critical Theory. Instead, attack in another direction with a new one.

#15 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-10 05:37 PM | Reply

The first rule of Critical Theory: never defend a Critical Theory. Instead, attack in another direction with a new one.

#15 | Posted by HeliumRat

The first rule of criticizing society or government: Make sure you're not in a cult of fascist morons who fell for a con man's propaganda, because you'll have zero credibility and no one with a brain will listen to you.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-10 05:58 PM | Reply

^
You just took Putin and Trump's MO and replaced the words Putin and Trump with Critical Theory.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-10 05:59 PM | Reply

Mexico's regime of the moment double crossed the settlers it had invited to live in Mexico.

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-10 06:03 PM | Reply

#18 Yeah, stop doing that! It makes you people sound like insane racist idiots. I swear, you guys sound just like Nazi's.

#19 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-10 07:41 PM | Reply

I love how the Nazi tyrants who support mass-murdering tyrant "President" Santa Ana immediately deflect to calling to a Nazi tyrant if you mention anything in an actuual history book, like, you know, a fact.

#20 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-10 07:44 PM | Reply

I love how the Nazi tyrants who support mass-murdering tyrant "President" Santa Ana immediately deflect to calling to a Nazi tyrant if you mention anything in an actuual history book, like, you know, a fact.

#20 | Posted by HeliumRat

No we call you a nazi because thats who you're sitting beside at the trump rallies.

Why do you think nazis love him so much?

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-10 08:36 PM | Reply

#21 Hahahaha. Only an ACTUALLY NAZI would stretch that far to make a lie so obvious that only another Nazi could believe it. And probably applaud (the woke don't laugh - they *applaud* woke "comedy". And they don't laugh because it's not funny, its a lecture).

And it's hillarious to watch.

#22 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-10 10:07 PM | Reply

What the entire occupation and rebellion in Texas back then reminds me most of today....the debacle in Ukraine. Yes it's complicated there too but, Ukraine is and was a sovereign nation which was invaded by people from Russia. It's pretty much the same thing. A more powerful nation wants territory owned by a weaker nation, sends in settlers, then soldiers and just takes it. I am not proud of the American occupation and then the annexation of Texas from Mexico. I am rather ashamed of it. Crimea is the perfect example. We, here in America view that as wrong but don't recognize the similarities to our occupation and annexation of Texas as the same thing. That's because Americans have a tendency to view everything from our own point of view and rarely from the side of our victims.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-11 08:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mexico's flavor of the weak Government invited the Anglo settlers.

#24 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-11 10:10 AM | Reply

#21 Hahahaha. Only an ACTUALLY NAZI would stretch that far to make a lie so obvious that only another Nazi could believe it. And probably applaud (the woke don't laugh - they *applaud* woke "comedy". And they don't laugh because it's not funny, its a lecture).

And it's hillarious to watch.

#22 | Posted by HeliumRat

If I was an ACTUAL NAZI i'd be marching beside you at the trump rallies.

Again - why do you think nazis love trump so much?

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-11 11:38 AM | Reply

#25 You're so stupid it's awesome. How do you expect to even get along in normal society if you honestly believe Trump supporters are Nazi's?

#26 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-11 02:25 PM | Reply

#25 You're so stupid it's awesome. How do you expect to even get along in normal society if you honestly believe Trump supporters are Nazi's?

#26 | Posted by HeliumRat

How do you expect to get along in normal society if you don't see anything wrong with electing the guy that nazis love?

Again - why do they love him so much? And why are you so afraid to address that question?

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-11 03:04 PM | Reply

I am not proud of the American occupation and then the annexation of Texas from Mexico.

The United States did not occupy then annex Texas from Mexico. Texas won its independence from Mexico and was a free standing Republic for ten years before voluntarily joining the United States.

#28 | Posted by et_al at 2021-06-11 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#23 - "I am not proud of the American occupation and then the annexation of Texas from Mexico."

Danni, not only are you clueless on matters of science, you don't know ---- about history either. Texas won its independence from Mexico and voluntarily allowed itself to be annexed by the US ten years later. The US never occupied neither Texas nor Mexico.

For god's sake, woman, don't talk about things of which you know nothing.

#29 | Posted by jakester at 2021-06-11 05:53 PM | Reply

"The US never occupied neither Texas nor Mexico."

You might want to check out these maps: www.latinamericanstudies.org

The US entered Mexican territory, occupied parts of it, and took a whale of a lot of it.

"The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, that brought an official end to the Mexican-American War (1846-1848), was signed on February 2, 1848, at Guadalupe Hidalgo, a city north of the capital where the Mexican government had fled with the advance of U.S. forces. By its terms, Mexico ceded 55 percent of its territory, including parts of present-day Arizona, California, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Nevada, and Utah, to the United States. Mexico relinquished all claims to Texas, and recognized the Rio Grande as the southern boundary with the United States."
www.archives.gov

#30 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-06-11 06:02 PM | Reply

You are trying to hard Dumbtake.

#31 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-06-11 06:07 PM | Reply

Oops, I mean Heliumrat....damn you two are interchangeable.

#32 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-06-11 06:07 PM | Reply

There were American troops in Mexico during the M/A war. But that is not an occupation. That's like saying the US occupied Germany because we fought a battle there before WW2 was over.

Furthermore Danni is unquestionably wrong with her statement: "American occupation and then the annexation of Texas from Mexico." Before annexation of Texas, there were no American troops in Mexico. Also Texas was not annexed from Mexico. The US annexed a ten year old Republic, not a Mexican state.

#33 | Posted by jakester at 2021-06-11 06:24 PM | Reply

#33

Your first sentence simply makes no sense. As for your conclusion, it is erroneous from the Mexican perspective.

#34 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-06-11 08:24 PM | Reply

"Yes it's complicated there too but, Ukraine is and was a sovereign nation which was invaded by people from Russia."

Ukraine is occupied by Russia?

Not really. Crimea is occupied by Russia. But Crimea was part of Russia until 1954, when the Soviets transferred it to Ukraine.

You seem to be advocating for the actions conducted by the USSR. Color me surprised...but I'm guessing you had no clue about the actual history of the region. Or that the vast majority of Crimeans supported the return to Russia.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-06-11 08:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#34 - "As for your conclusion, it is erroneous from the Mexican perspective."

It is wrong from an objective historical perspective.

Are you saying Danni is correct with her statement, "American occupation and then the annexation of Texas from Mexico."? American troops were not in Mexico prior to the M/A war, at least not by design for capturing territory. Nor did the US annex Texas from Mexico. Texas was a 10 year old Republic when they agreed to be annexed.

Google it if you do not believe me.

#36 | Posted by jakester at 2021-06-11 11:04 PM | Reply

#35 - forget it Jake. It's Dannitown.

#37 | Posted by jakester at 2021-06-11 11:07 PM | Reply

"the Alamo has long been viewed as a symbol of Anglo oppression. The fact that many Tejanos " Texas Latinos" allied with the Americans, and fought and died alongside them at the Alamo, has generally been lost to popular history. The Tejanos' key contributions to early Texas were written out of almost all early Anglo-authored histories, much as Anglo Texans ran Tejanos out of San Antonio and much of South Texas after the revolt. For too long, the revolt has been viewed by many as a war fought by all Anglos against all of Mexican descent."

That's some irony. In an effort to whitewash history, white Tex(i)ans turned their Mexican allies against them.

Speaking of whitewashed history,

"slavery was the single issue that regularly drove a wedge between early Mexican governments"dedicated abolitionists all"and their American colonists in Texas, many of whom had immigrated to farm cotton, the province's only cash crop at the time."

Sounds familiar. To this day, right-wingers will tell you the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 11:33 PM | Reply

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

That's exactly what Hitler would have said.

#39 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-12 06:30 AM | Reply

#38 That's weird, that's not what Texans where taught at all. When I was a kid, everyone there (and you saw it in the media too) knew. Something like a third of the defenders where local tribes and Mexican settlers from the south. *Nobody* wanted to give up their guns and democracy to the Emperor. Everything in this article is a lie. I mean, President Santa Anna? Really? I can't think of a single person from Louisianan to California that would take that seriously....

So of course the first thing the Nazis do is claim it was about slavery... and we laugh at them because it was the opposite, read any encyclopedia not made in China.

#40 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-12 06:44 AM | Reply

Texas is built on dispossession, eradication, and greed. (Slavery gave it that extra added dollop of goop.). Kind of like the nation as a whole. Christalmighty, learn a thing or two.

#41 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-06-12 06:59 AM | Reply

Since the victors get to write the history, it's not surprising that historians will be kind to the victors. Only after an appropriate amount of time has lapsed, will different perspectives emerge. As with this story about Texas, so it is about Critical Race Theory.

Different people will view history through different lens. However, facts, supported by documentary evidence are uncontestable. From what I've read, the issue with CRT seems to have more to do with when children should be exposed to it. Personally, I don't think you should teach an American History class without touching on certain elements of CRT. Since high school is the last formal education that many kids will get, turning them out to the world without an true understanding of how things are the way they are is a disservice to the kid. Without that truth, people will be more susceptible to lies.

#42 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2021-06-12 08:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41 Yeah! Texas had 10,000 slaves at the time! Owned mostly my Mexican nobles living in Texas (Mexico imported more slaves per capita than the US) so in order to oppose Institutional Racism, the Mexicans where allowed to keep their slaves by special agreement in 1829 instead of having to genocide them like Mexico did when Spain ordered them freed. "President" Santa Anna never said a damn thing about taking his nobles' slaves back, he wanted our guns and democracy.

#43 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-12 09:17 AM | Reply

#42 CRT should only be taught in comparison to MLK, but really you have to also add Hitler so people can really understand CRT. If you haven't read Mein Kampf, CRT might seem surprising to you....

#44 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-12 09:20 AM | Reply

Using the term "CRT" has become ridiculous. Now it's a 'catch-all' phrase for anything and everything white people don't like about racial matters, our history, equal rights, non-discrimination, etc.

This is exactly what the right wants. Another made-up scary term, like "socialism!"

Looks like they're going to be successful based on the last few posts.

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-12 09:29 AM | Reply

#45 So you aren't willing to simply list the 11 tenets of CRT? They are numbered, in order. They where displayed in a glass art piece by the Smithsonian for Black History Month. Then black people saw them, and demanded it be taken down. There's a white guy here with a black wife, has kids with her - he read it and turned even whiter. He posted "Did the Klan write this???"

At least read #1 to us.

#46 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-12 09:36 AM | Reply

You cite it.
Go ahead.
Let's see it.
From the Smithsonian.

#47 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-12 09:38 AM | Reply

Personally, I don't think you should teach an American History class without touching on certain elements of CRT.

CRT is a bit of a misnomer, unless the assumption is that all white people are guilty of some race-related infraction. I think you would get a lot of blank stares in Belarus or Ukraine if you tried to lecture them on white guilt.

But if your point is exposure to history, I agree. There was some controversy a few years ago when school kids were reading Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the World." If that's all they were reading, it would be bad. But exposure to different viewpoints rarely is bad.

#48 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-06-12 09:47 AM | Reply

Reasonable, MadBomber.

Only issue I have is that CRT is not a misnomer.
It is misuse and it is deliberate.

#49 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-12 09:59 AM | Reply

HeliumRat?
Where'd you go?

#50 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-12 10:07 AM | Reply

In the late Eighties there was an amazing collection of short horror stories called "Razored Saddles." One of the stories depicted a gay relationship between Colonel Travis and Jim Bowie. It is rumored the author had to leave Texas.
www.amazon.com

#51 | Posted by john47 at 2021-06-12 11:20 AM | Reply

MadBomber, how do you read the words "Critical Race Theory" and hear "the assumption is that all white people are guilty of some race-related infraction?"

CRT isn't even about individuals. It's about understanding racism as a societal phenomenon and construct.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-12 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#52 - Yep.
It is not a noun. It's a framework for interrogation of narratives and assumptions.

#53 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-12 11:40 AM | Reply

Framework is a noun, but I think I see what you're saying.

One if the easiest ways you can tell there must be something true in Critical Race Theory is how White Nationalists have reacted to it. They truly find it to be a full frontal assault on their American Way of Life.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-12 11:49 AM | Reply

Why respond to Loser Heliumtroll?

#55 | Posted by e1g1 at 2021-06-12 04:00 PM | Reply

"CRT isn't even about individuals. It's about understanding racism as a societal phenomenon and construct."

Sure. But the basis of CRT is racist in and of itself, as it suggests that there are factors that provide clear delineation between races. The whole intent of CRT is to examine social, cultural and legal issues as they relate to race and racism. Specifically white racism.

That's something you might be able to sell in the US to people who weren't aware of non-North American white people, but your average non-binary progressive is going to get his or her ass kicked when trying to explain to an actual Caucasian their role in white guilt. In the Caucuses.

#56 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-06-13 03:38 PM | Reply

" the basis of CRT is racist in and of itself"

What part of the truth do you find racist?

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-13 03:40 PM | Reply

Only ignorant ------- believe the premise of CRT is racist. The opposite is true. It is enlightened and based firmly on the historical record. (But, I realize, racist right wingers do not like to hear that, so they yell and scream for the opposite.)

#58 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-06-13 03:40 PM | Reply

" it suggests that there are factors that provide clear delineation between races. "

Like skin color? Or almond-shaped eyes?

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-13 03:42 PM | Reply

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