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Thursday, June 10, 2021

Katie Hill has faced deep lows since resigning from Congress after nude images of her were disseminated around the globe without her consent. ... "I think a lot of people, particularly Democrats and Democratic women, feel like she was the victim of a public bullying over those photos, and that's something that should be illegal and a woman should not lose her job because of something like that," said Katie Merrill, a veteran California Democratic strategist.

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The laws sometimes take some time to catch up to new innovations.

For this topic, I think the laws are taking too long to catch up with what is occurring.

My question is not whether or not there should be laws, but what is taking so long?

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-06-11 12:03 AM | Reply

No new thought crimes. If she fears revenge porn don't make sex pics for her man. She loaded the gun. Nobody made her pose. If she has reason to fear what might happen with those pictures, don't make them.

Personal responsibility.

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 12:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

No new thought crimes. If she fears revenge porn don't make sex pics for her man. She loaded the gun. Nobody made her pose. If she has reason to fear what might happen with those pictures, don't make them.
Personal responsibility.
#2 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Do you blame date rape victims too?
Here's a crazy idea, don't sexually exploit people. Personal responsibility.

#3 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-06-11 12:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

@#2 ... If she fears revenge porn don't make sex pics for her man. ...

Sorry, you are going to have to provide a better substantiation for your view.

What she does in the privacy of what she does should not be held against her. (do you want the government peering into your bedroom?)

You seem to want to blame her for the bad acts of others who publicized the photos.

Why do you want to blame the wrong person for the digression done?




#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-06-11 12:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"She loaded the gun."

Is merely loading a gun a crime? Did she fire the gun? What about the person who fired the gun, did they do anything wrong?

You can't even tell you're misogynist.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 01:55 AM | Reply

"No new thought crimes. "

Men and women have intimate moments....sometimes pictures are taken for whatever reason....that should not enable one partner to publicize those images. Only psychos thing the way you seem to. Either you haven't thought it through or you agree with psychos who do things like that.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-11 05:08 AM | Reply

Look, I'm not agreeing with revenge porn here I think it is morally reprehensible but Effete is right.

What are people's parents teaching them? It's like email, don't put anything in it you are not okay with the world reading/seeing. Same goes for a plain old letter. So yes there is some personal responsibility here. Younger people should for sure understand how the internet and digital media work... I mean it is lowly and scummy to disseminate said pics but I'd bet half of guys would in the right circumstances.

At the same time equating it to rape, sorry that's a non-starter for me.

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-06-11 08:29 AM | Reply

Look, I'm not agreeing with revenge porn here I think it is morally reprehensible but Effete is right.

#7 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2021-06-11 08:29 AM | FLAG:

No. Effete is so nuts even I have him plonked. This is not a case where the woman is an accessory to a crime. They are the victim. This is in no way, shape, nor form confusing.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-06-11 08:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hill never should have been driven out of office by the release of these photos. Democratic leaders should have stuck up for her.

Republicans don't even force someone out of office when they're under federal investigation for paying minors for sex and swapping the victims with their buddies.

#9 | Posted by rcade at 2021-06-11 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Meanwhile her ex husband is fighting to make sure being a dirty cheating s*** is a federal crime.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-11 10:08 AM | Reply

If my religion says revenge porn is okay, can I still have revenge porn?

#11 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-11 10:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Better judgement by her would have prevented the whole thing. Her husband is a ----, publishing the pics was wrong. She should have refused to resign from Congress, that was stupid on her part. Publishing intimate pictures without consent is not good, but a new class of Federal Crime because one woman was weak and didn't take the heat for her own actions is insane.

People have become obsessed with creating thought crimes and criminalizing behavior that is morally wrong but does not rise to the level of real crimial behavior.

She was embarrassed, for Gods sake, how is that a federal crime? Nobody made her resign, she did that all by herself.

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 10:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

She was embarrassed, for Gods sake, how is that a federal crime? Nobody made her resign, she did that all by herself.

#12 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

So if her husband took her to a crowded town square and stripped her naked that would only be a though crime too I suppose

#13 | Posted by Truthhurts at 2021-06-11 10:48 AM | Reply

Apparently a woman scorned can do anything and society is okay with it but if a man takes revenge for infidelity....

#14 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-11 11:01 AM | Reply

Apples and oranges and you know it. That is a false equivilentcy and so is rape. She chose to make those pictures. No one forced her to do anything. Now the pictures have been published and embarrassed her enough to resign from Congress. Her husband's action consisted only of releasing her pictures without consent. At most a civil violation. He should be sued in civil court. Not Imprisioned.

Why do you people want to give law enforcement more powers to harm people than they already have? A whole new class of Federal Crime? She was weak, got embarrassed, boo hoo. I can't see anyone doing time for publishing pictures freely and consentually made. Sued yes. But locked up?

I don't want to give the government any more powers than they already have.

Why do you?
.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 11:02 AM | Reply

I'll bet you're a real ----- in real life, too.

#16 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-06-11 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If some piece of crap wants to publish online pictures of a woman he has, apparently, had sex with then that piece of crap should have all the necessary documents permitting him to publish handy or else face seriously law suits and possibly arrest if he doesn't have them. Allowing someone to take you picture is not the same thing as giving them permission to publish them.
And yes LEGALLY, I agree, Effete is probably a real ----- in real life too.

What kind of a piece of crap thinks that sort of thing is ok?

#17 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-11 11:37 AM | Reply

Apples and oranges and you know it. That is a false equivilentcy and so is rape. She chose to make those pictures. No one forced her to do anything. Now the pictures have been published and embarrassed her enough to resign from Congress. Her husband's action consisted only of releasing her pictures without consent. At most a civil violation. He should be sued in civil court. Not Imprisioned.
Why do you people want to give law enforcement more powers to harm people than they already have? A whole new class of Federal Crime? She was weak, got embarrassed, boo hoo. I can't see anyone doing time for publishing pictures freely and consentually made. Sued yes. But locked up?
I don't want to give the government any more powers than they already have.
Why do you?
.

#15 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

because society should protect it's citizens.

what if the husband released medical records showing she had AIDS or some STD? Wouldn't that have a serious impact on her? Release of those records have criminal consequences.

The fact of the matter is you are ---- shaming the woman for being a sexual being. The only difference between health records and erotic photographs is YOU view the latter as shameful and something she shouldn't have done.

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 11:38 AM | Reply

I just don't see a need for more federal legislation, and more criminal penalties for dumb ----. She was humiliated and embarrassed. Not raped, not assaulted, not really victimized in any classical sense. She CHOSE to resign, she wasn't "forced" out. One hysterical woman should not give the Feds more power over people's lives. PERIOD.

Why you guys want everything to be a federal crime is beyond my understanding.

If that makes me a real -------, so be it.

I just don't see a crime worthy of imprisonment here.

That type of law would be prone to abuse and a stupid overreach of Federal power.

#19 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 11:47 AM | Reply

Some perspective

Only WY and MS do NOT have revenge porn laws.

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 11:49 AM | Reply

jaapl.org

Revenge pornography can result in lifelong mental health consequences for victims, damaged relationships, and social isolation.

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 11:51 AM | Reply

I just don't see a need for more federal legislation, and more criminal penalties for dumb ----. She was humiliated and embarrassed. Not raped, not assaulted, not really victimized in any classical sense. She CHOSE to resign, she wasn't "forced" out. One hysterical woman should not give the Feds more power over people's lives. PERIOD.
Why you guys want everything to be a federal crime is beyond my understanding.
If that makes me a real -------, so be it.
I just don't see a crime worthy of imprisonment here.
That type of law would be prone to abuse and a stupid overreach of Federal power.

#19 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Ms. Hill is in a unique position of authority and it still harmed her. there are countless people without power that get harmed by revenge porn. You denigrate a woman for calling attention to the harm done her and that is despicable.

If it is beyond your understanding you are a moral ignoramus.

BTW, who has even said prison is the penalty? Fines and restrictions to computers and the internet may suffice. For many states revenge porn is a misdemeanor. The penalty certainly should go to the seriousness of the act, IMO.

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 11:54 AM | Reply

fightthenewdrug.org

Results
The findings of this study were organized under two main themes: (a) Mental Health and (b) Coping Mechanisms. Under Mental Health, there are three sub-themes that focus on participants' mental health issues after victimization: (a) trust issues after revenge porn; (b) PTSD, anxiety, and depression; and (c) self-esteem, confidence, and loss of control. Nearly all participants discussed a general loss of trust in others after being victimized by revenge porn. Many went from being very trusting to rarely trusting anyone after they were betrayed by someone they loved and cared about. Along with the loss of trust, many participants experienced more severe and disruptive mental health effects, often being given official medical diagnoses of PTSD, anxiety, and depression. Many participants also noticed a change in their self-esteem and confidence after they were victimized. Part of the reason that revenge porn had such a negative effect on participants' self-esteem and confidence was the loss of control they experienced. The loss of control over one's body was a particularly violating aspect of revenge porn, similar to sexual assault. Frazier (2003) found that when sexual assault survivors perceived a loss of control, they experienced more distress and trauma. Overall, participants experienced many disruptive mental health issues after victimization that affected their daily lives.

"...not really victimized in any classical sense" in effete's opinion

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you let me take your picture with my phone, that picture belongs to me and I can do whatever I want with it.

#24 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:03 PM | Reply

If you let me take your picture with my phone, that picture belongs to me and I can do whatever I want with it.

#24 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

wrong

#25 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:03 PM | Reply

I. Just. Don't. Want. To. Give. The. Feds. More Power. Especially over something a prudent person could have avoided altogether.

State laws, fine no problem. But Federal Law?

Why? Give me a good reason, beyond the fact that she resigned voluntarily. She harmed herself. Federal crimes should be rare and severe, not trivial crap like this.

If she was a Republican you all would be celebrating her resignation, not crowing for a new class of Thought Crime.

#26 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 12:04 PM | Reply

If you let me take your picture with my phone, that picture belongs to me and I can do whatever I want with it.

#24 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

Question for you tfd, say you took a nude picture of your girlfriend, would you be allowed to post it say, to her employer's facebook account?

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:06 PM | Reply

The time to decide if someone is a sleazeball is before you let them take naked pictures of you.

#28 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:08 PM | Reply

I. Just. Don't. Want. To. Give. The. Feds. More Power. Especially over something a prudent person could have avoided altogether.
State laws, fine no problem. But Federal Law?
Why? Give me a good reason, beyond the fact that she resigned voluntarily. She harmed herself. Federal crimes should be rare and severe, not trivial crap like this.
If she was a Republican you all would be celebrating her resignation, not crowing for a new class of Thought Crime.

#26 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

That. is. because. you. are. an. idiot.

Federal laws apply (among other things) to interstate commerce. SOOOOOO what does that mean?

If I live in WY and my girlfriend lives in ID and I upload a revenge porn picture while in WY that was taken in ID, I have committed an interstate crime (well will be when the necessary laws are passed). ID can do nothing about it because I ain't in ID, WY doesn't have a law for revenge porn.

Your trivializing the victim's trauma is despicable.

You are ethically deficient

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The time to decide if someone is a sleazeball is before you let them take naked pictures of you.

#28 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

that is funny, I'm sure you didnt intend it to be, but it is quite hilarious. I take it you have never been on a date with anyone.

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:11 PM | Reply

I've never done anything I would regret in such a way. And I've done a lot of sleazy stuff. I always know when I've done right or wrong.
It's called personal responsibility.

#31 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:15 PM | Reply

If the genders were reversed the spouse uploading the photos would be getting praised.

#32 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-11 12:16 PM | Reply

No one made her resign. She got embarrassed by something she did and quit in shame.
Character is what you do in private.

#33 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:19 PM | Reply

Personally I don't care how many naked pictures she takes, or who sees them. If it wasn't for the toxic patriarchy and their Madonna/whore complex, this wouldn't even be an issue.

#34 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The time to decide if someone is a sleazeball is before you let them take naked pictures of you.
No one made her resign. She got embarrassed by something she did and quit in shame.
Character is what you do in private.

#33 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

en.wikipedia.org

Character is also revealed in one's drudge retort posts

#35 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:28 PM | Reply

If the genders were reversed the spouse uploading the photos would be getting praised.

#32 | POSTED BY TOR

so much ignorance floating around this thread

www.insider.com

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:30 PM | Reply

#25 - you are incorrect and Tfdnihilist is correct. The photographer owns the copyright to an image. You don't even own copyright to your own wedding pictures. Google it if you do not believe me.

#37 | Posted by jakester at 2021-06-11 12:33 PM | Reply

Advocating that adults take responsibility for their actions is not victim blaming.
But I forget that in modern America everyone's a victim, Right or Left.

#38 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:33 PM | Reply

And I do want to emphasize the point that I don't think what this guy did was right by any means. But every time two adults f*** each other over it's not necessarily a crime.
And those on the left wonder why the police feel so powerful.

#39 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:35 PM | Reply

Just more fodder for the nanny police state.

#40 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:36 PM | Reply

Advocating that adults take responsibility for their actions is not victim blaming.
But I forget that in modern America everyone's a victim, Right or Left.

#38 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

bull ------- ----, your attitude is that she is responsible for the harm caused by the release of the photographs. That would mean that release of intimate photographs is expected, which is patently false. And that conveniently ignores the perpetrators actions and advocates that they be subject to no ramifications for THEIR actions. That is the definition of victim blaming. It is a sad state that real victims receive so little sympathy.

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:38 PM | Reply

ust more fodder for the nanny police state.

#40 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILI

Here's hoping someone posts our ---- warts diagnosis to the internet.

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:38 PM | Reply

She's an adult woman,not a child, Truthhurts, you don't even see how you are infantilizing her. She made a bad choice and got hurt by someone she loved at one time. He Was Wrong to publish her pictures, this was a bad thing.

She wants to make her own bad choice to resign in shame a federal thing. If she has that much shame about sex and nudity, why did she allow him to make those pictures?

He was morally wrong, but not every moral transgression is a federal crime. She is an adult woman, she served in Congress and had great responsibilities, this whole thing just makes her look like a flake. A real adult would either not have posed for those pics, or would be able to handle it if they were released.

She cheated on him with a woman,he was hurt and lashed out. He was wrong but this is not a Federal Beef.

#43 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 12:39 PM | Reply

"And I do want to emphasize the point that I don't think what this guy did was right by any means."

So then. In light of this comment:

"Advocating that adults take responsibility for their actions is not victim blaming."

What responsibility should the guy take for his actions?
???

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 12:41 PM | Reply

"She made a bad choice and got hurt by someone she loved at one time."

^
You're projecting your own miserable life, onto her.
And, since you're powerless to improve your own life, you resign her to the same fate.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 12:42 PM | Reply

Here's hoping someone posts our ---- warts diagnosis to the internet.
#42 | Posted by truthhurts

Wouldn't care if they did. Should I be ashamed of my ---- warts?

#46 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:44 PM | Reply

#47 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:45 PM | Reply

She's an adult woman,not a child, Truthhurts, you don't even see how you are infantilizing her. She made a bad choice and got hurt by someone she loved at one time. He Was Wrong to publish her pictures, this was a bad thing.
She wants to make her own bad choice to resign in shame a federal thing. If she has that much shame about sex and nudity, why did she allow him to make those pictures?
He was morally wrong, but not every moral transgression is a federal crime. She is an adult woman, she served in Congress and had great responsibilities, this whole thing just makes her look like a flake. A real adult would either not have posed for those pics, or would be able to handle it if they were released.
She cheated on him with a woman,he was hurt and lashed out. He was wrong but this is not a Federal Beef.

#43 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

You are willfully ignorant at this point. I have posted numerous articles describing the real trauma victims suffer from revenge porn. Yet you continue to denigrate her and other's suffering. That is despicable.

And I am NOT infantilizing her, I am supporting her.

Your response to the damage caused by revenge porn is callous and disgusting. Victims lives are harmed, many consider suicide.

Your ignorance is obvious to all by your ignoring several questions posed to you-why it needs to be addressed on the federal level, why it should be criminalized (comparing it to HIPPA violations)

you really need to walk away from this thread and rethink your position.

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:46 PM | Reply

What responsibility should the guy take for his actions?
#44 | Posted by snoofy

I imagine he's going to have a really hard time finding another date with all the publicity.

#49 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:46 PM | Reply

And a question pertaining to the fact that she betrayed his trust big time to start.
Is his trauma and victimizing unimportant? Should there be a federal law for him to rely on?

#50 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:47 PM | Reply

Wouldn't care if they did. Should I be ashamed of my ---- warts?

#46 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

since you got them from being taking a goat's ---- up your ass I think most reasonable people would be embarrassed.

But hey, you have no shame, you are a masochistic exhibitionist, I am not judging you. Just don't expect everyone to not have your level of self hatred.

#51 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:48 PM | Reply

She resigned Herself to that fate, I had nothing to do with it. Not everything is a federal crime. Why do you want to give the Fed so much power? That's my main problem with this. Sue the pants off him. Go after him in civil court. Get state laws passed, maybe. But a federal statute is retarded. I don't trust the Fed as it is.

Not everything merits FEDERAL legislation.

That's my main point,not the morality of revenge porn.

#52 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 12:50 PM | Reply

"Not everything merits FEDERAL legislation.

That's my main point,not the morality of revenge porn."

This.

#53 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:52 PM | Reply

She resigned Herself to that fate, I had nothing to do with it. Not everything is a federal crime. Why do you want to give the Fed so much power? That's my main problem with this. Sue the pants off him. Go after him in civil court. Get state laws passed, maybe. But a federal statute is retarded. I don't trust the Fed as it is.
Not everything merits FEDERAL legislation.
That's my main point,not the morality of revenge porn.

#52 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

so iow words you don't understand the role of federal law. Shut up and go educate yourself

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:52 PM | Reply

You RECOGNIZE that state's should pass laws, but you don't UNDERSTAND why federal laws are needed in this time of the internet.
discussion with you is quickly becoming useless

#55 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:53 PM | Reply

Sorry, never f---d a goat, but if I did, it would only be after clear consent.

#56 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 12:53 PM | Reply

"Not everything merits FEDERAL legislation.
That's my main point,not the morality of revenge porn."
This.

#53 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

please explain your reasoning behind federal legislation NOT being appropriate. Since it is your main point

#57 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:54 PM | Reply

Sorry, never f---d a goat, but if I did, it would only be after clear consent.

#56 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

stop denying the source of your ---- warts.

#58 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 12:54 PM | Reply

It's funny, TH, hearing you so vigorously defend the toxic patriarchies idea of shame.

#59 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 01:00 PM | Reply

I explained that further up the thread, I don't like giving the feds and the police more power to decide what is moral and what is right.
The nanny police state is just as toxic to me as the fascist police state.

#60 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 01:01 PM | Reply

See, now you're just making stuff up. There should be a federal law so I can have you arrested for defaming me so.

#61 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 01:02 PM | Reply

It's funny, TH, hearing you so vigorously defend the toxic patriarchies idea of shame.

#59 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

Until we have a society that does not shame people for their personal lives, then we need laws to protect victims of abuse because of that shaming. I don't believe Ms. hill did anything wrong, I do believe that she was abused and her abuser should be punished. But, you see, I have empathy for people, sadly lacking many people nowadays.

#62 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 01:05 PM | Reply

This is a learning experience for her. She wants to use her past experience as a federal lawmaker,to make new law helping people like herself. She chose to cheat on him too. Is that a Federal Crime? Frankly revenge porn is not really a crime, it is a tort violation. Akin to a copyright violation. He had no right legally to publish those pics. Giving the Fed more tools to harm individuals is not helping her or anyone else. He should be sued in civil court,like if he used a song without the composer's permission or compensation.

At bottom this is an intellectual property violation not a sex crime.

She's just a hysterical crybaby, she should have brazened it out Trump style, he is never harmed by ---- like this. She's weak.

Her weakness does not make this more of a crime then it really is. A Tort Violation.

#63 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 01:06 PM | Reply

I explained that further up the thread, I don't like giving the feds and the police more power to decide what is moral and what is right.
The nanny police state is just as toxic to me as the fascist police state.

#60 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

Well.

Effete acknowledged that states should pass revenge porn laws. You agreed with her statement, so I assume you agree that states should pass said laws.

Which beggars the question do you understand the need for federal laws in this case?

So do you believe that states should be passing revenge porn laws? If not, why not?

If you do, then we are back to the question "please explain your reasoning behind federal legislation NOT being appropriate."

if your answer is still that you do not want the federal government to not be involved because you do not want the federal government to have more power, how do you justify that position in lieu of the federal role in interstate commerce. IOW how do you justify a need to legislate revenge porn on a state level but not on a federal level when the criminal acts are conducted on the internet?

#64 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 01:10 PM | Reply

#62

So instead of working to end the puritanical approach to the human body and sex we have in the US you want to make laws that enforce that attitude.

People posting revenge porn are scum no argument there but I am torn about the need for a law about it. However if we weren't such prudes it wouldn't even be an issue. I have a friend who got extorted with a leak of nudes, they laughed and said if I cared who saw them I wouldn't have taken them. That attitude would go a long way to blunting revenge porn, probably more than a law banning it would.

#65 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-06-11 01:13 PM | Reply

Do you have empathy for him? Having your lady cheat on you with another woman can be pretty tramatic to a macho dude steeped in toxic patriarchy.

#66 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 01:14 PM | Reply

This is a learning experience for her. She wants to use her past experience as a federal lawmaker,to make new law helping people like herself. She chose to cheat on him too. Is that a Federal Crime? Frankly revenge porn is not really a crime, it is a tort violation. Akin to a copyright violation. He had no right legally to publish those pics. Giving the Fed more tools to harm individuals is not helping her or anyone else. He should be sued in civil court,like if he used a song without the composer's permission or compensation.

At bottom this is an intellectual property violation not a sex crime.
She's just a hysterical crybaby, she should have brazened it out Trump style, he is never harmed by ---- like this. She's weak.
Her weakness does not make this more of a crime then it really is. A Tort Violation.

#63 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

seriously get the ---- off Ms. Hill, think in more general terms.

And educate yourself SERIOUSLY, educate yourself.

First, there ARE federal criminal laws for copyright infringement.

Second educate yourself on the damage that victims of revenge porn suffer.

Third, take a hard look at your reasoning for denigrating the victims of revenge porn. YOU are making a value judgement on THEIR actions. MANY MANY MANY people take erotic photographs with partners. Only a very few publish them publicly.

#67 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 01:16 PM | Reply

#62
So instead of working to end the puritanical approach to the human body and sex we have in the US you want to make laws that enforce that attitude.
People posting revenge porn are scum no argument there but I am torn about the need for a law about it. However if we weren't such prudes it wouldn't even be an issue. I have a friend who got extorted with a leak of nudes, they laughed and said if I cared who saw them I wouldn't have taken them. That attitude would go a long way to blunting revenge porn, probably more than a law banning it would.

#65 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

and until that time when the Age of Aquarius and free love are reached we have to deal with the reality of the situation.

#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 01:18 PM | Reply

She's just a hysterical crybaby, she should have brazened it out Trump style, he is never harmed by ---- like this. She's weak.

#63 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

hahahaha, i just caught this. You don't think that ------- would have used the full might of the federal government to imprison someone if they released the pee tape?

that is rich.

#69 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-06-11 01:22 PM | Reply

He would have most likely I agree. He's a vindictive ass. He was a poor example but all I thought of at the time. Matt Gaetz might be a better example of brazen it out. She was too thin skinned.

#70 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 01:36 PM | Reply

Publishing intimate pictures without consent is not good, but a new class of Federal Crime because one woman was weak and didn't take the heat for her own actions is insane.

I'm on the fence but not being a dick about it is sort of desired. You're being a dick about it.

It has nothing to do with one woman being "weak." That's not even and issue and honestly you're a gigantic ------- for thinking you have any sort of understanding what it's like to have nude pictures of you spread around on the internet.

It doesn't take a "weak" person to be effected by that.

But I can see it being a federal crime considering you're committing said crime across every state line simultaneously.

#71 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-11 01:56 PM | Reply

One hysterical woman should not give the Feds more power over people's lives. PERIOD.

Wow dude. You're kind of a POS.

Unless you plan on spreading nude pics of women in your life this doesn't represent ANY new power over your life.

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-11 01:57 PM | Reply

Apparently a woman scorned can do anything and society is okay with it but if a man takes revenge for infidelity....

#14 | POSTED BY TOR

WTF is with people and their screwed up views on this?

Seriously guys. Wow.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-11 01:59 PM | Reply

"He was wrong but this is not a Federal Beef."

It's actually a global incident, due to the Internet.
Not sure why it's a problem for a Federal law on this kind of thing.
Unless you're saying the public perception of revenge porn change from state to state.
Is it okay in your state?

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 02:01 PM | Reply

This thread is a Who's Who of Drudge Retort Incels.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 02:02 PM | Reply

not crowing for a new class of Thought Crime.

#26 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Releasing photos without consent isn't a "thought crime."

It is an actual action that tangibly effects the other person's life.

#76 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-11 02:18 PM | Reply

How is this even an argument? How does anyone think it's OK to release nude and/or sexual pictures of another person without their consent? I'm not a kneejerk "there should be a law" type either, but this is a pretty clear cut situation.

#77 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-06-11 02:21 PM | Reply

She's just a hysterical crybaby, she should have brazened it out Trump style, he is never harmed by ---- like this. She's weak.
Her weakness does not make this more of a crime then it really is. A Tort Violation.

#63 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Yeah. You're a real POS.

#78 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-11 02:22 PM | Reply

Back at ya gun nut. Call me when you think the Feds should register All Firearms.

#79 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 02:29 PM | Reply

One of the things she's calling for is a federal law criminalized the release of photos online without consent "regardless of intent". I think that's --------. Intent matters, criminal law is a blunt instrument. It could hurt many innocent people. You guys just see "pretty woman what a shame". We lost a seat in Congress over this.

She's an attention seeking crybaby,and you are infantilizing her as a poster child of "abuse".

Grow up and look at the bigger picture. She lost big in state court in California for God's sake.

So now she wants a federal law. It's insane.

#80 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 02:38 PM | Reply

#77...
I don't see where anyone thinks it's ok. Some of us don't think every bad thing someone does should be a federal crime.

#81 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-06-11 02:39 PM | Reply

In my opinion, one's image - whether it's photographic, or digital - is personal property that cannot be disseminated without its owner's consent or contract.

I'm fine with creating a civil law with hefty monetary penalties for unapproved usages. I'll have to give more considered thought to having a criminal law regarding this unless the images were obtained illegally, completely without any consent or knowledge on the part of the victim whatsoever.

#82 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-06-11 02:54 PM | Reply

#81 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

Well, at least one poster doesn't seem to have a problem with it. I do see your point about making it a criminal act. There's a lot of copyright law, artist protections, definitions of reasonable expectation of privacy, etc., to be affected in this situation.

#83 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-06-11 03:13 PM | Reply

Call me when you think the Feds should register All Firearms.

#79 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

non sequitur
/nn sekw'd'r/
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noun
a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-11 03:29 PM | Reply

And on what basis am I a "gun nut"?

#85 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-11 03:30 PM | Reply

Support for the Second Amendment, while understanding that's how crazy people get guns, is Gun Nut material.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 03:37 PM | Reply

"How does anyone think it's OK to release nude and/or sexual pictures of another person without their consent?"

Well, they never get any, so they hate all women.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 03:41 PM | Reply

I've heard you squawking about the second amendment and your love of guns. Gun nut. Are you in favor of a federal gun registry?

I'm not and I hate guns. I also hate the idea of the Fed having authority over every detail of everyone's live's do you?

This case is sad and she was hurt publicly. Not everything is a reason to surrender all discretion to the Fed. Criminal law is intended for criminal offenses this was a civil matter.

#88 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 03:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I also hate the idea of the Fed having authority over every detail of everyone's live's do you?"

What kind of life do you lead, where holding you responsible for sharing naked pictures of women you hate, instills fear of the Fed having authority over every detail of your life?

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Some of us don't think every bad thing someone does should be a federal crime."

That's not much of a statement. Should it be a crime at all, or are you going to punt on that too?

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 03:47 PM | Reply

The law is a blunt instrument. Depending on how it is written it could criminalize a lot of things not really criminal at all. Just like kiddie porn laws do. If a 17 year old girl shares pictures with her boyfriend she can and sometimes has been charged with kiddie porn for sharing pictures of herself, it's a federal crime apparently. Is that the intent of the law?

Be careful what you wish for.

#91 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-11 03:56 PM | Reply

I've heard you squawking about the second amendment and your love of guns. Gun nut.

I mentioned I have a safe in my closet.

Because I have a few guns I've used for hunting in the past and a few for the range and plinking.

That's hardly "gun nut" territory.

In fact, you should be glad there are owners like me who leave their firearms inaccessible when they're not in use.

I'm not and I hate guns.

Good for you. Nobody cares.

I also hate the idea of the Fed having authority over every detail of everyone's live's do you?

You keep bringing up this non sequitur.

A federal law against revenge porn isn't giving the feds authority over details of people's lives that concerns me. Why? Because I don't plan on leaking somebody's nude photos against their will.

You must be a sick f*&^ if you find this law concerning.

#92 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-11 04:18 PM | Reply

Support for the Second Amendment, while understanding that's how crazy people get guns, is Gun Nut material.

#86 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Only in the mind of an absolutist.

Which we know you very much are.

#93 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-11 04:19 PM | Reply

"Only in the mind of an absolutist."

No, it's common sense.
From today's headlines:
ROYAL PALM BEACH, Fla. " Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric Bradshaw said Friday the man who gunned down a 69-year-old grandmother and her one-year-old grandson inside a Royal Palm Beach Publix the day before had posted on social media about wanting to "kill people and children."
www.wptv.com

^
The Second Amendment allows people like that to legally purchase a gun.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 04:31 PM | Reply

Calling me an Absolutist gets into gun nut territory.

The Second Amendment is an absolutist statement.
Saying we shouldn't extend that right to everyone is the opposite of absolutist. It's literally asking for discretion and accountability.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 04:35 PM | Reply

JPW, I posted this one a few days ago:
drudge.com

Because of the Second Amendment, the police had to give him back his gun, which he promptly used to murder his wife. Even as non-fatally shooting his wife was the very reason his gun was confiscated in the first place.

The Second Amendment is what's absolute here. It's as absolute as any right can be, which is how rights ought to be! And which is also why it shouldn't be a right. It should be a privilege, conferred upon those deemed responsible enough to be trusted. Just like we do with drivers licenses and medical licenses.

If you don't have a problem with how drivers licenses and other types of licenses are being managed in society, then surely you can envision a gun licensing regime which similarly does not offend your sensibilities.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 04:52 PM | Reply

No, it's common sense.

Which is code for "I don't have a good rationale for my argument so I'm going to state it's obvious and avoid trying to argue it."

In other words, code for --------.

The Second Amendment allows people like that to legally purchase a gun.

#94 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Considering they don't even know how he got the gun we can't say that yet.

Also, the second amendment isn't absolute, remember? The thing that lets people like him do what he did is the collective lack of societal will to limit second amendment rights in those types of cases.

I'm all for that so don't bother with whatever line of -------- you're cooking.

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-11 05:12 PM | Reply

Calling me an Absolutist gets into gun nut territory.

Your statements are what make you an absolutist.

You frame your arguments such that there isn't much in between yes or no.

The world doesn't work that way.

In any case, this thread isn't about guns so I'm exiting this conversation.

#98 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-11 05:13 PM | Reply

Revenge porn is a dick move.
Don't be a butt hole.
I crack myself up.

Note: its Friday, chillax everyone.

#99 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-11 06:00 PM | Reply

She was humiliated and embarrassed. Not raped, not assaulted, not really victimized in any classical sense. She CHOSE to resign, she wasn't "forced" out. One hysterical woman should not give the Feds more power over people's lives. PERIOD.
Why you guys want everything to be a federal crime is beyond my understanding.
If that makes me a real -------, so be it.
I just don't see a crime worthy of imprisonment here.
That type of law would be prone to abuse and a stupid overreach of Federal power.
#19 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSE

She was assaulted in a very classical sense and by that I mean a man exploited her sexuality without her consent to exert his power over her just as men have done to women for all of history. It should be a crime and because publishing it on the web resulted into transmission across state and national borders then federal jurisdiction is appropriate venue for it.

#100 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-06-11 07:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Not raped, not assaulted, not really victimized in any classical sense."

---- Shaming isn't a classical sense of victimizing someone?

Here in America, we read a book called The Scarlet Letter in grade school.

I encourage you to notify your Russian handlers of this fact, so that you can better pose as an American.

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-11 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If her husband took the pictures with her consent then he is the copyright holder and can do what he wants.

#102 | Posted by FSUknowit at 2021-06-12 01:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

first step in not becoming a revenge porn victim:
don't make videos of you naked and involved in a bisexual threesome with one of your own staff members.

#103 | Posted by e1g1 at 2021-06-12 03:55 PM | Reply

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