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Sunday, June 13, 2021

Other people have looked into Putin's eyes and seen a good man or a father figure. Joe looked into them and saw a thug in need of a thumping.

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Good start, Joe. Waiting for you to say the same thing about Xi.

#1 | Posted by willowby at 2021-06-13 03:56 PM | Reply

Waiting for you to say the same thing about Xi.

That's not going to happen.

America doesn't need Russia.

America is dependent on China.

Maybe if we bring manufacturing back to the states and start becoming more self reliant we could.

But. That's not going to happen when they rich prefer manufacturing in other countries due to the cheap labor.

That's not going to happen when the Trump tax cuts give initiatives for manufacturing outside of the country. (As well as owning a yacht.)

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-13 04:02 PM | Reply

#2 If Americans insisted on buying American made goods, manufacturing would never have left.

Americans voted with their wallets. They don't care about other American jobs, just their own wealth, the same as the evil CEOs that moved the jobs.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-13 05:08 PM | Reply

"#2 If Americans insisted on buying American made goods, manufacturing would never have left."

I feel like you have put the cart before horse here. Jack Welch didn't move GE manufacturing to China because American consumers wanted lower prices. He did it because Wall Street wanted higher profits.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-13 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

Did American consumers vote for that with their wallets? I don't think so.

Outsourcing US manufacturing was a top-down decision, not a groundswell of public opinion.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-13 06:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Waiting for you to say the same thing about Xi."

You waited patiently while Trump praised Xi.

You can shut up for the next four years too, punk.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-13 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 How did Jack know Chinese manufactured goods would sell? What was the expected appeal, and why did it work?

CEOs knew that their customers would buy cheaper stuff and not care about who made it.

I am not defending CEOs, they sold out the country. But they had many helpers, primarily the unregulated marketplace enabled by bribed politicians.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-13 06:29 PM | Reply

#1 unlike the cowardly FG, Biden seems to want to criticize dictators to their face, not wipe the ---- off his orange chin.

#8 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-13 06:32 PM | Reply

"#4 How did Jack know Chinese manufactured goods would sell?"

Because starting in 1975, Americans felt a pressure on their wallets they haven't felt in a generation.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-13 06:33 PM | Reply

"But they had many helpers, primarily the unregulated marketplace enabled by bribed politicians."

There's a term for an unregulated marketplace.
That term is Capitalism.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-13 06:34 PM | Reply

#6

GFY, troll.

#11 | Posted by willowby at 2021-06-13 06:39 PM | Reply

#3

Those rich people were forced to move their manufacturing plants out of the country?

Because no one was buying Made in USA products?

Apple wouldn't sell phones if they were made in America? Nike would no longer sell shoes?

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-13 06:47 PM | Reply

GFY, troll.
#11 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

Willowby, you just spent four years as a whore for the Chinese Communist Party.
You're trolling Biden on China, while voting for Trump who is even worse on China.
Now go cry yourself to sleep on your MyPillow.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-13 06:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How did Jack know Chinese manufactured goods would sell? What was the expected appeal, and why did it work?

He took the same thing that was already selling here and manufactured it in China.

Pocketed the difference.

Not a big mystery.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-13 06:52 PM | Reply

#12,14 My point exactly. Jack and other CEOs knew that Americans did not care who made the stuff they wanted, as long as it was cheaper or better. CEOs responded accordingly.

The US used to make TVs and other electronics. The ones that tried to manufacture in the US went out of business, because their customers said price was more important than patriotism.

#15 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-13 07:04 PM | Reply

What I am hoping Joe does is, instead of bloviating and race baiting on TV while taking bribes like TFG, he enables low wage countries to take US market share from China. That will hurt China, help poor people and won't hurt Americans. It will diversify the global supply chain and undermine China's economic, political and military power.

The US needs to join the TPP. Smart diplomacy instead of gasbagging.

#16 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-13 07:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Jack and other CEOs knew that Americans did not care who made the stuff they wanted, as long as it was cheaper or better. CEOs responded accordingly."

Consumers aren't blind to the reality of their own economic plight.

There was significant pressure imposed on consumers to spend less -- due to the massive upwards redistribution of wealth starting in 1975!

Do the dots really not connect in this order for you?

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-13 07:12 PM | Reply

"The ones that tried to manufacture in the US went out of business, because their customers said price was more important than patriotism."

More like: The ones that tried to manufacture in the US went out of business, because their corporate competitors said price was more important than patriotism.

It takes two to tango, but to suggest consumers are the ones calling the tune is ridiculous.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-13 07:13 PM | Reply

Well the G7 statements on China are a good start toward addressing China.

#19 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-06-13 07:28 PM | Reply

#17 Do only poor people buy iphones?
It was the tragedy of the common unregulated market.
Consumers get lower prices, some lose their jobs, now they need lower prices, repeat.

Americans could have said that they want tariffs to protect US manufacturing jobs, and redistributed wealth accordingly. But Americans are selfish and most were willing to sacrifice other peoples jobs to increase their purchasing power in the short term.

I said it takes two to tango, either could have stopped offshoring, but both went for short term gains.

#20 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-13 07:44 PM | Reply

No moral standing.

#21 | Posted by fresno500 at 2021-06-13 11:16 PM | Reply

GFY, troll.

#11 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

The man told you the truth.

You pathetic fascist.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2021-06-13 11:41 PM | Reply

#22 snoofy's personal ankle biter. Talk about pathetic.

#23 | Posted by willowby at 2021-06-14 12:57 AM | Reply

There was significant pressure imposed on consumers to spend less -- due to the massive upwards redistribution of wealth starting in 1975!

You mean spend less per item bought.

It's down right up American to suggest a decrease in consumption!

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-14 01:17 AM | Reply

It takes two to tango, but to suggest consumers are the ones calling the tune is ridiculous.

#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

They overwhelming bought the cheaper goods because in Murica! it's all about quantity quantity quantity.

Yeah, we the consumers did largely set the tune.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-14 01:19 AM | Reply

#23 no, he did tell you the truth.

Trumpers have disqualified themselves from ever being seen as credible on any matter of politics.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-14 01:20 AM | Reply

They overwhelming bought the cheaper goods because in Murica! it's all about quantity quantity quantity.
Yeah, we the consumers did largely set the tune.

#25 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-06-14 01:19 AM | FLAG:

I'm absolutely guilty of this myself.

#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-06-14 01:23 AM | Reply

Willowby I certainly don't hate the CCP with your zeal.

But American businesses chose to do business with them. Chose to make them stronger.

Nixon chose to open China for business and gave them the technology to lift them out of starvation, to build an army of factory workers, and finish what Mao started.

Republicans did this. You're a Republican. Explain yourself, soldier.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-14 01:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They overwhelming bought the cheaper goods because in Murica! it's all about quantity quantity quantity.

Yeah, we the consumers did largely set the tune.

#25 | Posted by jpw

Walmart started this. I remember a friend who was a manufacturer's rep.

He told me 30 years ago Walmart buyers insisted they move manufacturing to China or they wouldn't bite.

#29 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-06-14 01:46 AM | Reply

Not bad giving a soulless person a pipeline that you denied America because it's bad. Just more examples of Liberals saying one thing and doing another. That's all they are good at is face. Which is why they fit in with China so much. Any of you who know about "face" and China will actually understand that.

#30 | Posted by humtake at 2021-06-14 11:48 AM | Reply

Putin is America's enemy, and a murderous dictator, unless of course you are a Trump supporter in which case you would "rather be Russian than a Democrat".

#31 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-06-14 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#30 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

You're a fascist, too. Just like WILLOUGHBY. Both looking for the Second Coming of Trump, which Trump Messiah himself says is coming in six to eight weeks.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2021-06-14 12:10 PM | Reply

"Walmart buyers insisted they move manufacturing to China or they wouldn't bite."

I heard a similar story on NPR about 15 years ago as I recall. It wasn't explicitly that Wal-Mart wouldn't buy American, but Wal-Mart was insisting on pricing that manufacturers could only achieve if they lowered their labor cost to third-world rates.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-14 12:45 PM | Reply

Consumers shouldn't have had the decision in their own hands that is why we elect leaders. Those leaders should have insisted on protecting American manufacturing but they didn't do their jobs. We now have Joe Biden as our President, he needs to rectify the errors in judgement made by some of his predecessors both Republican and Democratic. He needs to be followed by another President with the same goal, it needs to become the standard issue to be supported by all American Presidents going forward. Now we have seen the disaster that outsourcing can bring so we need a Congress and Presidents that won't allow it. It won't happen overnight but over time we could regain our manufacturing economy. Americans might have to pay slightly higher prices but they will also enjoy earning higher wages.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-15 01:40 AM | Reply

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