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Sunday, June 20, 2021

U.S. Catholic bishops overwhelmingly approved the drafting of a "teaching document" that many of them hope will rebuke Catholic politicians, including President Joe Biden, for receiving Communion despite their support for abortion rights.

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Rhoades also said the document would not mention Biden or other individuals by name and would offer guidelines rather than imposing a mandatory national policy.

That would leave decisions about Communion for specific churchgoers up to individual bishops and archbishops. Cardinal Wilton Gregory, the archbishop of Washington, has made clear that Biden is welcome to receive Communion at churches in the archdiocese.

If the archbishop of Washington has already made his position clear, then this is a political statement by more rabid bishops.

Strip their dioceses of tax exempt status.

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-19 10:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Meanwhile, the word from the Vatican (Pope Francis, aka: "the one in charge"):

thehill.com

#2 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2021-06-20 01:22 AM | Reply

I literally cannot think of anything more sinful than the crafting of this document.

#3 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-06-20 10:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Diamond Joe will just go to Dalgren Chapel at Georgetown. The Jesuits will welcome and minister to the President. They care little about the faintly veiled political pronouncements of a group of old men who gave a pass to the last guy, who could scarcely pass a house of worship without birds cawing and dogs barking...

#4 | Posted by catdog at 2021-06-20 10:05 AM | Reply

Catholic leadership is the work of the devil.

#5 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-06-20 10:13 AM | Reply

It's never going to happen anyway.

[T]he pope and his top officials remained confident that the American conservatives would never actually pass such a doctrinal declaration on banning communion.

Church law says for that to happen, the bishops' conference would need either unanimous support, which is essentially impossible, or two-thirds support and the Vatican's approval.

"It's not going to get to that point," said one senior Vatican official with knowledge of the thinking inside the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the church's doctrinal watchdog. "It's inconceivable."

www.nytimes.com

There isn't unanamous support within the US (as noted above, DC Archbishop Cardinal Gregory is opposed), nor is the Pope behind any such effort, as noted in his May letter to US bishops.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-06-20 10:50 AM | Reply

Catholic priests use nuns as sex slaves and force them to have abortions. Pope Francis admitted as much in 2019 and acknowledged that the practice is ongoing.

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-06-20 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I left the Catholic church in my late teens over their response to pedophile priests. We had a priest, our Catholic school principal, who molested one of the kids in my grade for years. When it was brought to the Bishop's attention, he moved the priest to another parish to continue his sinful ways. I'm sure some of these pius POS either are or have covered for pedophiles; clean up your own house first. There is nothing in the New Testament regarding abortion, as life begins at birth. In the Old Testament, God provides a recipe for an abortifacient for cheating wives, so it appears God is in favor of abortion. These POS are hypocrites, and I wish the Pope would clean house!

#8 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-06-20 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Start throwing these sick ----- bishops off the church roofs.
Worried about Biden while their flock of homosexual kid diddlers prey on their parishioners children.

#9 | Posted by Docman at 2021-06-20 02:49 PM | Reply

Religion exists to divide people from each other and their pocket books.

#10 | Posted by Brennnn at 2021-06-20 03:31 PM | Reply

More reasons that defend my decision to
LEAVE the Catholic Church. I'm an atheist
now, so the decision was pretty cut and dry
for me, but I ask those that still believe, "Are these the acts of a humble, non-judgemental, non-politicised faith? Are these even the acts of a sane faith anymore?" I say NO on both accounts. Sad to see, what was once one of the more sane faiths in American life, follow the evangelicals and fundamentalists off of the deep end. More reason to REMOVE the tax exempt status of churches that would act as political entities...

#11 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-06-20 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If this or any church wants to play politics (this is an obvious one) they should pay federal state and local taxes.
Attacking this President is just another propaganda tool of the extreme right wing of the RCC.

#12 | Posted by randomcanyon at 2021-06-20 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It figures that a pedo ring masquerading as a church would support Trump.

#13 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-06-20 05:40 PM | Reply

"I literally cannot think of anything more sinful than the crafting of this document."

And you'd be right.

Not only is it the height of hypocrisy (as pointed out above), but it goes against the church's own tenets: According to Catholicism, one can stand as a sinner, repent on the walk toward the altar, resolve to change paths, request and receive forgiveness from God, and have the right to receive communion with a spotless soul by the time they reach the chalice.

Priests and others pretending it's their right/duty to intercede, or that forgiveness isn't possible without them, are committing blasphemy. Same as those substituting their judgement for God's.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-20 07:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Catholic Church is the single biggest collection of hypocrites in existence.

They punished child victims and families who dared to question why they allow their priests to rape their kids.

So they love Fat Nixon who violates every single one of the ten commandments, ignores the teachings of Christ, commits adultery, rape, sexual assault, lies, cheats, steals, etc and never attends mass, but will attack Biden who does attend mass regularly because he will not let the Catholic Church tell ALL women what to do with their bodies when it comes to forced births.

The catholic church needs to clean itself up first.

#15 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-06-21 09:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This overt political meddling is exactly why I left organized religion in the late '90's. I had just moved to a new city and state, my wife and I had one kid with another on the way. We joined a local church to start going as a family because that's we were both raised into. It was 1999, leading up to the 2000 elections. Every Sunday was a pulpit pounding sermon about which candidates to support, local state and federal. Nothing about the bible, the teachings of Christ, doing everyday good things for others, no. It was all railing about how we had to vote for good Christian candidates who would support the church, end abortion, and promote Christian values. That really opened my eyes to the insidiousness of organized religion. They don't want religious freedom, they already have that. No one tells them how, when, or where to worship. They want everyone else to abide by their religious beliefs. That's not religious freedom, that's religious supremacy. A theocratic state. I agree, if the church is going to overtly make political statements, the 501(c)(3) status goes away.

#16 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-06-21 10:39 AM | Reply

The Church has a million problems and Biden ain't one of them.

#17 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2021-06-21 12:38 PM | Reply

Boc,

"I literally cannot think of anything more sinful than the crafting of this document"

Really?

You can't think of anything more sinful?

You want a list?

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-06-21 12:46 PM | Reply

Boc,

They aren't suggesting excommunication.

I think society is at a time where the right of religion to exist and create their own standards within certain guidelines is being questioned heavily.

By questioned I mean fought.

Recently the Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of a Catholic adoption agency.

Abortion is a crime against humanity and someone needs to stand up for the unborn.

The Catholic Church is deciding if they will stick to their convictions or cave to political pressure.

#19 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-06-21 12:56 PM | Reply

"I think society is at a time where the right of religion to exist and create their own standards within certain guidelines is being questioned heavily."

BillJohnson, how do you feel about Sharia Law. Do you question it heavily, or are you okay with it?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-21 12:58 PM | Reply

"The Catholic Church is deciding if they will stick to their convictions or cave to political pressure."

A bit sick, wouldn't you say? Especially considering the RCC's "convictions" in the past.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-21 01:05 PM | Reply

"Abortion is a crime against humanity and someone needs to stand up for the unborn"

My experience of life is that the anti-abortion folks have gotten and will get abortions regardless.

The whole anti-abortion movement is fundamentally virtue signaling.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2021-06-21 01:07 PM | Reply

The whole notion of the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church deeming anyone unworthy of communion is absurd in light of all the priests they have shielded from prosecution for molesting thousands of children.

#23 | Posted by moder8 at 2021-06-21 01:12 PM | Reply

Oh do STFU Bill. Forcing a woman to give birth is the crime against humanity.

#24 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-06-21 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Catholic Church is deciding if they will stick to their convictions or cave to political pressure."

They're deciding this now? Abortion was legal in every State in the Union when the nation was founded. How come the Catholics never complained about abortion then?

And why are you preaching Catholicism, when Catholicism teaches that homosexuality is a crime against humanity?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-21 01:18 PM | Reply

Laura,

I think it is pretty well accepted ------ or rape or putting the mother in danger is not the issue.

Using abortion as as form of birth control is the issue.

It's ironic that people complain about those in control forcing their will on people less powerful when that is exactly what women are doing to their children when they end their life.

This will be my only response to you.

#26 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-06-21 01:22 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Not interested in responding to your posts.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-06-21 01:25 PM | Reply

"I think it is pretty well accepted ------ or rape or putting the mother in danger is not the issue."

Why is aborting a rape baby any different than aborting any other baby?

You tell us, since it's your double standard.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-21 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This will be my only response to you.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2021-06-21 01:22 PM | REPLY

Awwwwwwwwwwww is that so??

#29 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-06-21 01:31 PM | Reply

"I think it's well accepted ------ or rape or putting the mother in danger is not the issue.""

Nonsense. The new (misnamed) "heartbeat" bill in TX doesn't cut ANY slack for rape or ------.
www.msn.com

Why are you bearing false witness? Did you not know the truth, and pulled some claim out of your backside, or did you know you were lying when you posted?

Either way, according to the Bible, your "penance" is to gather all the feathers from the pillow you cut open on the windy hill.

Better get busy: you can start with a retraction, and an apology for bearing false witness.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-21 01:33 PM | Reply

Recently the Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of a Catholic adoption agency.

#19 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Did you read the case? It had little to do with the affiliation, religious or otherwise, of the foster care contractor. The facts were the city had established a practice of granting discretionary exceptions to the nondiscrimination requirement, but did not grant an exception to CSS and could not justify the reason.

#31 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-06-21 01:33 PM | Reply

what women are doing to their children when they end their life.

#26 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

If a woman ends the life of her child that is murder and is addressed as such.

An abortion is the removal of a fetus. The vast majority are performed at less than 13 weeks. The fetus is less than 3 inches long and weighs less than an ounce.

www.cdc.gov

#32 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-06-21 01:43 PM | Reply

Where oh where did Bill run off to??

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-06-21 01:45 PM | Reply

If they keep this crap up Biden is going to become an Episcopalian.

#34 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-21 03:18 PM | Reply

"Using abortion as as form of birth control is the issue."

It's ironic that your kind are so concerned about birth control yet pretend family planning doesn't reduce the number of abortions being used for birth control.

Also this my only response to you. lol

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-06-21 04:06 PM | Reply

I literally cannot think of anything more sinful than the crafting of this document.

BOCAINK

Really? how about killing Babies?

As the Left always say, "believe the Science", but the Left doesn't want to hear the Science of what we now know about the development of a Baby in the Womb vs 1973. you are killing a living Human Being that can hear, feel pain, etc...

that's a Sin and it's the Democrats #1 Platform

#36 | Posted by Maverick at 2021-06-21 04:45 PM | Reply

Using abortion as as form of birth control is the issue.

Sounds like another one of those extremely rare instances being overblown and used to disingenuously push policy.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-21 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Catholic Church is deciding if they will stick to their convictions or cave to political pressure."

Nope. The US Catholic Bishops is not the "Catholic Church".

It is a rather small subset of the Catholic Church.

This is just politics.

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2021-06-21 04:48 PM | Reply

"the Left doesn't want to hear the Science of what we now know about the development of a Baby in the Womb vs 1973."

Imagine thinking we only learned where babies came from starting in 1973.

Imagine thinking the Founding Fathers didn't know where babies come from!

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-21 04:48 PM | Reply

#36 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

There actually is more recent science on the stage at when a fetus can feel pain. A 2005 multidisciplinary review of evidence published in the Journal of the American Medical Association concluded the neural connections which transmit pain from the nerves to the cortex don't develop until around week 24. A 2020 Italian study published in the journal Pediatric Research reached the same conclusion.

www.fatherly.com

europepmc.org

#40 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-06-21 05:01 PM | Reply

that's (abortion) a Sin

#36 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

The Right, push comes to shove, will never really care. Oh, there are some true believers. But most of you, after abortions are illegal, will have them if you need them and if you can afford them.

I am merely describing the situation pre-ROE. The Right will no more give up abortions than they will give up their guns. It's just abortions go back to being family secrets.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2021-06-21 05:02 PM | Reply

So I figured I'd comment as an actual Catholic who had an ear to the ground inside Catholic sources..

Last time a vote like this took place was in 2004 against the backdrop of John Kerry who also is a pro choice Catholic in deviance of Church teaching. 20 bishops went on record saying they would not allow him to have communion in their jurisdiction.

So how did the number go from 20 to 150+ in 15 years? it didn't.

There's a problem of Eucharistic understanding inside the Church with 2/3 of Catholics not understanding what the Eurcharist is. For reference, Catholics teach that the Eucharistic (bread and wine) is ACTUALLY the body/blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ..like not a symbol or some spiritual presence but it ceases to be bread and wine and ACTUALLY because Jesus..this ofcourse is scandalous but it is and has always been Church teaching.

So while those in the media have spun this as some sort of weapon against Biden and certainly some Bishops are using this as a weapon..the broader consensus is that all the faithful need to understand what it is they are receiving and present themselves (or not) accordingly. This teaching document will likely include steps so that all people have clear guidelines of when or when they should not share in the Eucharist..

Finally, for those that say that we shouldn't make the Eucharist devicive under any circumstances fail to recognize the Church had always (even and including St. Paul) used the Eucharistic as a visible symbol of who is in and who is out..so this is nothing new..

The problematic part is some Bishops are trying to punish some politicians for violating certain church teachings while ignoring clear violations of others..which is the definition of selective enforcement for a political wing of a certain political party..

#42 | Posted by Regnum at 2021-06-21 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you dig far enough into American history you realize that abortion has never been recognized as the same thing as murder even when it was illegal.

#43 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-21 05:54 PM | Reply

After reading many of the diatribes
about the 'sin' of abortion, I am so happy
I am an atheist...

What about the 'sin' of being so arrogant
you think you know the will of a supreme
being? Or how about the audacity of even
believing in a being that hasn't had the
decency to even show up once in the last
2000+ years, and being so 'certain' of his
(no show) existence, that without thought as to the consequences for your child, you willingly
let them be brainwashed into a lifetime of
servitude to this imaginary being, allowing
them to be riddled with guilt, feel flawed
by 'original sin', and take on the yoke of
2nd guessing half of the acts in their lives,
because they fear it will upset the aforementioned, 2000+ yr old, no-show God.

Again...so happy I gave all that up for
personal freedom. P.S. Science and Logic and Rational Thought have ALWAYS kicked religion's butt. Too bad many of you will never see that.

But hey, 'thoughts & prayers' for your sanity, your primitive idea of morality, and your antequated concept of a 2000+ yr old, no-show God.

(dusts off hands)...

"Well, I think my work here is done"... :D

#44 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-06-21 06:54 PM | Reply

In my opinion there is a bigger issue here than simply abortion or gay adoption.

It is the survival of religious values that conflict with everyone else's beliefs or lack thereof.

The problem isn't religious groups trying to force their will on the un-religious.

It's the other way around.

The problem now is the un-religious using the courts to force religious groups and people to perform acts they find contestable and against their beliefs.

The bigger issue in this day and time isn't abortion or gays or even any specific beliefs.

The bigger issue now is the very existence of religion and the intent by the un-religious to destroy religious influence.

I believe that is why the Catholic Church is discussing making a stand against abortion now unlike in the past.

It' not abortion but the survival of Catholic doctrine or any religious sect for that matter.

#45 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-06-21 07:26 PM | Reply

Laura,
I think it is pretty well accepted ------ or rape or putting the mother in danger is not the issue.
Using abortion as as form of birth control is the issue.

#26 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Glad to see you admit this is really about controlling women and has nothing to do with protecting human life.

#46 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-06-21 07:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The problem now is the un-religious using the courts to force religious groups and people to perform acts they find contestable and against their beliefs."

^
Got any examples?
Because I'm pretty sure this has literally never happened.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-21 07:52 PM | Reply

John,

It's not about control at all.

It's about the truth.

Most people can not live with the knowledge they killed their child so they insist on believing it is not a human life.

I believe abortion must be protected as a right. It serves a function in society just like capital punishment.

I don't know but I doubt Rowe v Wade would ever be totally reversed but certainly there will be tighter restrictions that some people want.

On a personal note.....I've always wondered how many women keep up with what might have been the due date and can tell you what age it would be. Or worse...some women know the gender and might secretly have a name for their child.

Yes...abortion smacks in the face of people who believe in the Sanctity of Human Life but I do believe women should have the right to choose to live with it.

If you're going to end a human life, at least show it some respect.

All I will say.

#48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-06-21 07:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Most people can not live with the knowledge they killed their child so they insist on believing it is not a human life."

So why do you insist it's not a human life if the case of rape and ------?

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-21 08:35 PM | Reply

"If you're going to end a human life, at least show it some respect."

See, it is about controlling women.
It's about forcing women to show respect. Whatever that means.

Unless it's rape or ------, those human lives don't deserve her respect.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-21 08:36 PM | Reply

Abortion isn't anyone's to decide except for the woman and her Dr Bill. Oh and your emotional blackmail is garbage. You just want to shame the woman that's all.

#51 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2021-06-21 08:53 PM | Reply

"All I will say."

I doubt it.

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-21 08:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The problem now is the un-religious using the courts to force religious groups and people to perform acts they find contestable and against their beliefs.

#45 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

That line is backward, sideways, inside out, and upside down. Please read Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, 584 US_(2018). Please read Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, 573 U.S. 682 (2014).

#53 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-06-21 09:27 PM | Reply

Please read

That's not going to happen.

BillJohnson is proud of his ignorance.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-21 09:36 PM | Reply

BillJohnson you really ought to be able to defend your beliefs.

Otherwise it seems like you're just believing what you want to believe, and making up a bunch of stuff that's convenient.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-21 09:45 PM | Reply

How about excommunicating priests who diddle the altar boys?

#56 | Posted by Jaspar at 2021-06-21 11:57 PM | Reply

BillJohnson is an ugly joke.

#57 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-06-22 07:40 AM | Reply

"I believe abortion must be protected as a right. It serves a function in society just like capital punishment."

Idiots also serve a function. They show the rest of us how not to act. Thanks for showing us how not to behave.

And the problem with your religulous world view is that capital punishment is stupid and arrogant and displays the hubris of Man. And there you are equating it with an abortion. You play God with life pretending with capital punishment it's ok to take a life there at the End but no never not at the Beginning.

If you truly believed all Life was sacred then you would be appalled at the concept of capital punishment as well as abortion rather than trying to twist reality to equate an abortion with capital punishment. And you and the religulous just cannot seem to see that.

And if you really wanted to reduce the number of abortions in the world then you would support MORE funding for family planning and education not less. You would support financially helping struggling families so they would not have to choose abortion. Less unwanted and unplanned babies means less abortion. It's not rocket science. It really should not tax your brain so. And your own sacred texts tell you not to sit in judgement of others yet you insist on judging all who would choose an abortion as bad or evil.

So I hope you enjoy the Final judgement you have brought upon your self

I can tell from here your heart is definitely NOT as light as a feather.

#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-06-22 09:23 AM | Reply

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