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Monday, June 21, 2021

Most Americans support both easier access to early voting and requiring photo identification to vote, according to the Monmouth ("Mon-muth") University Poll. The public is more divided on expanding vote-by-mail, although a majority would like to see some national voting guidelines established for federal elections. The poll also finds that only one-third of the public believes "audits" of the 2020 election results are legitimate efforts to uncover irregularities. Moreover, one-third of Americans continue to believe Joe Biden won the presidency only due to voter fraud - a steady trend since November that underlines the crystallization of our nation's deep partisan divide.

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Well, the only voter fraud I've seen proven is by Republicants, so...

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-06-21 03:59 PM | Reply

Other than the fact that there was no fraud to begin with, there's not much wrong with requiring an ID to vote, if you automatically register everyone and give them an ID when they turn 18.

But that would defeat the purpose for repubs.

#2 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-21 04:45 PM | Reply

"there's not much wrong with requiring an ID to vote, if you automatically register everyone and give them an ID when they turn 18."

^
Ask Republicans why the Republican Party doesn't support a National ID card.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-21 04:50 PM | Reply

I have no problem with asking folks to present ID to vote, and I'm a Dem voter. My problem with presenting an ID is that it is not so easy for some to obtain an ID, given the hours of the local license bureaus in many jurisdictions. This issue affects voters of all stripes and flavors. Maybe others should do like me and obtain their own copy of an Elvis Presley driver's license. It works when cared for a drink in the Salt Lake City airport--why wouldn't it work at your local polling place?

#4 | Posted by catdog at 2021-06-21 06:02 PM | Reply

@#4 ... I have no problem with asking folks to present ID to vote ...

I've had to present an ID to vote for decades and, like you, I've no problem with doing so.

Indeed, one of the poll workers at times is my neighbor. I've been to parties (holiday parties, summer BBQs, etc.). I've known those neighbors for multiple decades.

Yet, when I go to vote, she still asks me for my ID. I've no problem with that.

... My problem with presenting an ID is that it is not so easy for some to obtain an ID, ...

Yup. And that is why the GOP imposes quite specific voter ID requirements, they know who will have difficulty getting the proper ID.

U.S. Appeals Court Strikes Down North Carolina's Voter ID Law
www.npr.org

...The appeals court noted that the North Carolina Legislature "requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices" " then, data in hand, "enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans."

The changes to the voting process "target African Americans with almost surgical precision," the circuit court wrote, and "impose cures for problems that did not exist."

The appeals court suggested that the motivation was fundamentally political " a Republican legislature attempting to secure its power by blocking votes from a population likely to vote for Democrats....

[emphasis mine]


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-06-21 06:16 PM | Reply

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#6 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2021-06-21 08:50 PM | Reply

@#6

You misspelt it...

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#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-06-21 08:58 PM | Reply

I don't need to post a long winded post here. Lamp sufficiently covered the topic that my meandering post is not needed here.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-22 11:39 AM | Reply

Colorado has been voting by mail now for several election cycles, with NO substantial evidence of fraud. Yet Republicans, even in Colorado, insist that fraud is likely. And they claim that our vote by mail system is open to fraud, simply because we don't have to show an ID to mail a ballot.

When we register to vote in Colorado, it is at that time that we are required to prove identity. Then we are required to put our signature on file. And that signature is verified by machine every single time we mail a ballot. Until someone can actually prove substantial fraud, I will stand by my belief that our vote-by-mail system in CO is the safest and most free election system in the nation.

Although Republicans will continue to hide behind imagined fraud as the reason, this whole initiative to change voting rules across America has absolutely nothing to do with fraud. It has everything to do with making it harder for those in disagreement with fascist ideology to vote.

#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-06-22 12:57 PM | Reply

Moreover, one-third of Americans continue to believe Joe Biden won the presidency only due to voter fraud - a steady trend since November that underlines the crystallization of our nation's deep partisan divide absolute gullibility and idiocy of Trumpers.

Slight tweak.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-22 02:41 PM | Reply

the circuit court wrote, and "impose cures for problems that did not exist."

That is the entirety of the voter ID law issue.

The fact of the matter is voting in this country is insanely secure and the only reason to assert otherwise is to justify throwing up obstacles in people's way to participate.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-22 02:44 PM | Reply

"The poll also finds that only one-third of the public believes "audits" of the 2020 election results are legitimate efforts to uncover irregularities. Moreover, one-third of Americans continue to believe Joe Biden won the presidency only due to voter fraud"

Draw a circle.

Now trace that circle.

There's your Venn Diagram.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-22 03:07 PM | Reply

speak,

as usual you are wrong. We want Voter ID the Dems don't. don't you listen to your own Party

BTW, there was massive Voter Fraud, it's currently being proven out everyday now

BTW, Hunter's laptop shows he used the N word dozens of times. he is his father's son

#13 | Posted by Maverick at 2021-06-22 07:02 PM | Reply

speak,

as usual you are wrong. We want Voter ID the Dems don't. don't you listen to your own Party

BTW, there was massive Voter Fraud, it's currently being proven out everyday now

BTW, Hunter's laptop shows he used the N word dozens of times. he is his father's son

#13 | Posted by Maverick

If you wanted voter ID you'd be giving them out to everyone automatically and accepting student IDs. You don't want voter ID you want liberal voter obstacles, and IDs serve that purpose.

The courts said there was no voter fraud. Of course the Qanon lunatics will conclude there was. And you'll buy it because you fall for the world's most obvious cons.

No one cares about hunter biden except your cult, but thanks for reminding us that you live in an alternate universe where hunter biden is a scandal, but jarod having no covid plan and killing a half million americans isnt.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-22 07:15 PM | Reply

The fact of the matter is voting in this country is insanely secure and the only reason to assert otherwise is to justify throwing up obstacles in people's way to participate.

#11 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-06-22 02:44 PM | FLAG:

It's not secure at all. You can 0day man brands of machines.

It's less secure than buying a gun, which requires ID.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-06-22 07:33 PM | Reply

Diebold BallotStation, if you need a reminder of how flawed eVoting is.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-06-22 07:39 PM | Reply

I liked Manchin's inclusion of voter ID in his compromise bill, but allowing for it to be something as simple as a utility bill to confirm your name and address. I know Natasha Brown one of the voting activists from GA was unhappy with his voter ID compromise, but I don't think she read his proposal very carefully. Manchin's solution would take the teeth out of Texas' unfair voter ID law that lets you use your gun license to vote but not your student ID. The GQP won't like Manchin's solution, because it doesn't eliminate enough working poor voters. I think it's the hand grenade in the whole bill, designed to blunt the GQP voter ID push all over the country. But still includes voter ID so the bill can't be accused of not having bipartisan ideas. The problem with voter ID is threefold:

1. Elderly people who don't drive anymore have no need for a photo ID. Why should they have to have photo ID simply to vote every two years. I can't recall the last time I showed my ID to somebody short of crossing the border into Canada. Nobody ever writes a check, and the clerk doesn't even touch your card when you pay with plastic. For these folks, a utility bill, social security pay stub, or some other official piece of mail that places you at your registered address should be sufficient.

2. Homeless people, have even less need for photo ID. States should look into how expensive it would be to put their photo on their food stamp debit cards, like Costco put my photo on the back of my membership card.

3. The working poor who work two jobs just to survive, don't drive, and can't afford the time to get to the DMV during the workday. For them too, a utility bill is the perfect solution for voter ID.

#17 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-06-22 07:46 PM | Reply

It's not secure at all. You can 0day man brands of machines.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

It's less secure than buying a gun, which requires ID.

#15 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Then maybe you can provide evidence of this assertion.

Because everyone else says it's really hard to prove how much fraud is actually going on so they don't have numbers, but they know fraud is rampant and it's the Dems doing it.

Links to support your argument as well, please.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-23 09:39 AM | Reply

BTW, there was massive Voter Fraud, it's currently being proven out everyday now

No it's not.

The frauds running the audit just say it's being proven every day now and you bobble head away and repeat it without ever asking for real evidence.

Trumpers are the definition of useful idiot.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-23 09:41 AM | Reply

It all depends on what type of ID is required. For example, can students use their college ID? I heard that the IDs that would qualify in Manchin's bill aren't stringent enough for some Republicans.

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-06-23 10:45 AM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2021-06-23 09:39 AM | FLAG:

IT security 101. 0-day means Zero Day Exploit. This is a software exploit done before the developers know about it. Different attacks have been demonstrated on various brands of voting machines. Off the top of my head great examples are Diebold and Fraction Magic by blackboxvoting.org

Insecure doesn't mean fraudulent. It just means it is not secure. Democracy Suite is a current popular system with useful audit features, but it runs on Android and people can tamper with the USB port since they're using it to power a booth occupancy light. It's poorly designed setup process also leads to mistakes that can drop candidates from ballots and other issues. We can do better.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-06-23 10:48 AM | Reply

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