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Wednesday, June 23, 2021

Democrats, in private and public, are warning that rising crime -- and the old and new progressive calls to defund the police -- represent the single biggest threat to their electoral chances in 2022.

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...Why it matters: There has been a big spike in big-city crime, a dynamic increasingly captured in local coverage and nationally on CNN and Fox News.

The latest: Democrats say it's no coincidence that Eric Adams, the leader in the New York City mayoral race, ran against defunding the police....


The progressive candidates in the NYC mayo.ral race did not do so well.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-06-23 10:27 AM | Reply

So?

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-23 10:41 AM | Reply

LOL the Dems are stumbling into a big loss and the response is "So".

*facepalm*

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2021-06-23 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#4 ... the Dems are stumbling into a big loss ...

In the NYC primaries, at least, the Democrats seem to push back against the progressive "defund the police" mantra. The progressive candidate (Ms Wiley, who had the backing of Rep Ocasio-Cortez and other progressives) is currently in a semi-distant second place, but that position is tentative until all the ballots are tallied.

The front-runner, Mr Adams wants to increase police funding and the size of the police force.

Maybe, nationally, Democrats will see what happened in NYC and take it into account?


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-06-23 02:05 PM | Reply

Their wake up call should have been 2016.

Theyve been hitting the snooze ever since.

Merrick Garland's running the alarm clock over with a steamroller.

Democrats are chasing swing voters away with woke activism and defund the police
They're chasing anti trump voters away by not prosecuting trump as they were hired to do

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-23 02:18 PM | Reply

@#5 ... Democrats are chasing swing voters away with woke activism and defund the police ...

Agreed.

... They're chasing anti trump voters away by not prosecuting trump as they were hired to do ...

I disagree.

No one should be voted into office with the goal of having the DoJ (or state AG) go after someone in the other political party. I disagreed with the NY AG when she was running on a platform of prosecuting fmr Pres Trump, and I disagree with your similar comments.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-06-23 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wake up call?

But Democrats are "Woke!"

Moderate Democrats don't have a voice. They too scared to stand for anything, so worried about who they'll offend next. They've buried their heads in the sand.

Meanwhile. Republicans are running the show and controlling the narrative.

22 will be a wake up call.

24 will be the end of America as it's been for the past century.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-23 02:34 PM | Reply

-24 will be the end of America as it's been for the past century.

What do you think will get undone? Reversed? You're predicting some pretty serious ---- here.....

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2021-06-23 02:51 PM | Reply

Maybe, nationally, Democrats will see what happened in NYC and take it into account?

#4 | Posted by LampLighter

They'll take it as a lesson that ALL liberal priorites make them lose, instead of just the stupid moronic "defund the police" slogan.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-23 03:50 PM | Reply

What do you think will get undone? Reversed? You're predicting some pretty serious ---- here.....

#8 | Posted by eberly

Watch the real news. Your party is legalizing their ability to simply ignore the voters if they want.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-23 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I understand the righteous anger of the police reform activists, and to an extent, I share it. The problem is that most of the time, Dems are horrible at branding. Whichever moron came up with the "Defund" slogan needs to be sent back to school. It cost the Dems house seats in 2020 and maybe a Senate seat or two as well. What the activists don't understand is that in suburban America, where Dems have been cleaning up electorally, especially with suburban women, folks like their local police departments. We make them feel safe, we investigate their fireworks complaints, their lost dog complaints, their runaway children, alzheimer's walk-aways, the homeless person who sets up a tent outside their backyard fence, and of course the odd major crime like homicide, rape, robbery, felony assaults, and we generally have better closure stats than big cities because we have more time and energy to attack major cases. I am totally in favor of reimagining what I do for a career, of adding social workers and mental health professionals to our mix, of sending them with patrol to various problems where they might get more traction than a guy in a uniform and a gun. Maybe they might even be able to convince people to call sooner, when they notice their loved one is off their meds, rather than waiting until their loved one has armed themselves which limits the options we have available to us when we're called, especially when somebody is in jeopardy. The vast majority of people do not want to "defund the police" and the vast majority of Dem candidates do not want that either, but the GQP hung that on Dems across the board, and I'm sure it turned some close races.

#11 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-06-23 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Obama was right only a moron would want to defund the police and to think that that's a good rallying cry for an election.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-23 06:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Gunslinger, you sure are on top of your game today. Well reasoned and thought out posts each and every one.

On topic, defund the police wasn't a good choice of terms that's for sure. Deparamilitarize the police might have been better.

Same with "the thin blue line" doesn't mean the same thing to me as "to protect and to serve "

#13 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-06-23 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Great post Gunslinger. The ACAB "All Cops Are Bad" slogan is horrible and turns off more people than it motivates.

And it's based on a falsehood. NOT all cops are bad. Like with any demographic, most of are good.

#14 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2021-06-23 09:19 PM | Reply

What about those of us who DO want to defund them pigs. We never get represented. I want cops gone. Law and order is overrated. Soccer moms and suburban milquetoast wimps can pound sand.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-23 11:34 PM | Reply

What do you think will get undone? Reversed?

In my opinion. America's greatest strength was a strong working class. Driving the economy and helping create a lot of well paying jobs.

The rich were rich but government policies and strong unions kept them responsible for their employees. It's not a dream for minimum wage to be a living wage. It actually once was.

It was a great idea. That working hard actually resulted in living better.

But in the last 4 decades. All of that has been eroding.

And the most recent administration did more to destroy that than any prior.

My worry for America is seeing it turn into another failed nation. Corrupt with crony capitalism.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-23 11:34 PM | Reply

italics off

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-23 11:35 PM | Reply

_gunslinger_ is a beat cop? The more you know....

Hey man, I understand. Some of us chose the badge, some the shield. The ones I don't get are the EMT's. I'd be popping PTSD meds every day if I had to do that.

Stephen King was right. It is the Shining. MLK had the Ghost, ask any Baptist. You can't look at what people like that do and not feel changed. And that's why our enemies have to start with our children and attack the family first.

I hate it when people tell me "Thank you for your service". No,. You never needed to thank me. I did that because it had to be done.

#18 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-06-24 12:15 AM | Reply

"What about those of us who DO want to defund them pigs. We never get represented. I want cops gone. Law and order is overrated. Soccer moms and suburban milquetoast wimps can pound sand."

Lol real funny.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-24 12:21 AM | Reply

Whichever moron came up with the "Defund" slogan needs to be sent back to school.

#11 | POSTED BY _GUNSLINGER_ AT 2021-06-23 04:46 PM | FLAG:

Defund Police was the moderate rollback to try and not scare the wypipo.

It's still Abolish the Police and All Cops Are Bad to activists.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-06-24 12:08 PM | Reply

There's nothing moderate about demands of defunding the police.

If morons think that that's some sort of a reasonable compromise they need to try graduating from high school.

#21 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-24 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What about those of us who DO want to defund them pigs. We never get represented. I want cops gone. Law and order is overrated. Soccer moms and suburban milquetoast wimps can pound sand.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer

Cool you can keep chanting that from the concentration camp that trump and the republican cult will put you in when they are re elected due to your stupid agenda and stupid slogan.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 12:38 PM | Reply

DEFUND THE POLICE is so stupid and harmful to democrats getting elected that i suspect it was actually a message inserted into the debate by republicans or russians.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 12:39 PM | Reply

Defund the police was a chant at a protest.

Not a Democratic policy.

But. You wouldn't know that listening to Republicans.

Unfortunately, Republicans control the narrative.

As they have for decades.

And stupid moderates fall for their bullshht, every time.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-24 12:42 PM | Reply

The Dems are too divided to win very often. The moderate Dems want everything to stay the same like a bubble with snow and little houses in it that kids play with. The real world isn't like that at all. Things change, usually in unpredictible ways. Progressive dems are too obsessed with the gender crap and abortion.

Economic policy is what the Dems should be running on but they can't because the "donors" don't want any economic changes. Minimum wage increases, universal healthcare, the big donors and top leadership are implacably opposed to those because they rock the boat,and change is oh,so Scary.

Americans can't face change, especially if it means they might have to give something up.

But change happens anyway, by default, and the default changes tend to favor the already well off. Conscious decisions to help others are too unsettling for comfortable people already doing fine. So they vote Republican or become corporate Dems which is watered down version of the same thing.

#25 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-24 01:17 PM | Reply

So they vote Republican or become corporate Dems which is watered down version of the same thing.

#25 | Posted by Effeteposer

When did corporate dems last kill a half million americans with incompetance or attempt to end democracy in a violent insurrection?

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 01:44 PM | Reply

I hate corporate dems as much as you but I'm not a mental baby so I can tell they're NOT as bad as republicans.

Your stupid DEFUND THE POLICE slogan is so harmful to your goals that you might as well donate your paycheck to trump directly.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 01:45 PM | Reply

Blah, blah. Being lukewarm about our goals and constantly "triangulating",to water down or completely nullify our whole agenda is why we keep losing to right wing lunatics who have the courage of their "convictions" as asinine as those usually are.

If Dems would stand proud and unashamed about their policy goals they would win. The Clinton's taught everyone how bad it is to be liberal. They poisoned the discourse by caving to republican policies.

Obama continued this trend. He was far right on economic and fiscal policies. The whole Democratic leadership is terrified of being really progressive in any economic sense. They push Public, private partnerships and other obviously faulty policies to appease the centrist voters they fetishize as being their core constituency. The true left is ignored and taken for granted whenever policy is made.

Then they wonder why they keep losing.

And always draw the wrong conclusion,that they haven't been accommodating enough of conservative policies,the republicans never compromise,they are not in the majority.,but they keep winning or holding their own.

Why?

Because they are not pandering to liberals. They know what they want and just go after it.

The Dems never do this,because the Donors don't want any change.They like the status quo.

So incidentally, do the Republicans.

Go Figure.

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-24 02:35 PM | Reply

Blah, blah. Being lukewarm about our goals and constantly "triangulating",to water down or completely nullify our whole agenda is why we keep losing to right wing lunatics who have the courage of their "convictions" as asinine as those usually are.

If Dems would stand proud and unashamed about their policy goals they would win.

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer

If you stood loud and proud with all the dems who actually want to defund the police you'd be surrounded by a tiny collection of jobless uneducated morons who are terrible at political strategy, not the unified democratic party.

Tell me - how do you suggest a society exist without law enforcement? The honor system? Fairy dust?

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 02:44 PM | Reply

"Tell me - how do you suggest a society exist without law enforcement? The honor system? Fairy dust?"

They can enforce laws with what Barney Fife has, they don't need APCs and gradate launchers.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 02:51 PM | Reply

They can enforce laws with what Barney Fife has, they don't need APCs and gradate launchers.

#30 | Posted by snoofy

Is barney fife expected to do that for free as a hobby, since his pay will have been defunded if these morons get their way?

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 03:15 PM | Reply

No, only their grenade launchers and APCs get defunded.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 03:19 PM | Reply

No, only their grenade launchers and APCs get defunded.

#32 | Posted by snoofy

Really? Because the morons weren't chanting "take away their grenade launchers". They were chanting "abolish the police" or "defund the police". Were swing voters supposed to read their minds and know that they didn't really mean what they were chanting?

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 03:36 PM | Reply

You didn't even address my core argument which is that mainstream Dems are at odds with the left on ECONOMIC policy. The Pelosi's and Hoyer's are against real economic change. They don't want universal healthcare or a high minimum wage. They talk nice but never even try to really deliver the goods. It's always watered down half ass -------- like the ACA which was a great public subsidy for health insurance corporations but little else.

The repubs are direct and unconflicted about their goals which are mostly negative in the sense of wanting no change.

The Dems want to make changes but have nothing really change, so the big donors never feel any pain or get ruffled.

The Democrats cater to corporate needs as much as the Repubs but try to cover that with a veneer of social "wokeness" that fools only the stupid.

Real liberals see through that and know the the oligarchy only is represented by both parties.

It's no coincidence that most Congressmen and Senators are millionaires and the ones who aren't when elected usually become so in office or after leaving.

#34 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-24 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Were swing voters supposed to read their minds and know that they didn't really mean what they were chanting?"

Swing voters can choose to educate themselves on the issues. But if they did, they wouldn't be swing voters, now would they?
I don't go through my life wondering how the things I say might affect swing voters.
Is that what you do? How's it working out?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 03:53 PM | Reply

You didn't even address my core argument which is that mainstream Dems are at odds with the left on ECONOMIC policy.

#34 | Posted by Effeteposer

Are mainstream dems more or less at odds with the left than republicans are?

Because all DEFUND THE POLICE does is help elect republicans. What effect do you think electing more republicans will have on healthcare, climate change, income inequality, and everything else you value?

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 03:55 PM | Reply

Swing voters can choose to educate themselves on the issues. But if they did, they wouldn't be swing voters, now would they?
I don't go through my life wondering how the things I say might affect swing voters.
Is that what you do? How's it working out?

#35 | Posted by snoofy

So you're fine with chanting inaccurate slogans that DONT really represent your policies, assuming AMERICANS VOTERS are going to go google and discover that you don't really mean what you're saying. THATS your election strategy?

Trump and his cult are thrilled. Might as well donate your money to them while you're at it.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 03:57 PM | Reply

The repubs are In The Minority, they don't compromise about abortion, they know their core convictions, they don't compromise about tax cuts, they know their core convictions.

The Dems are just weak about their core values of Economic fairness and a robust social safety net.

They constantly undermine their own values, which leads many to believe they have NO values. This hurts them more electorally than any slogan ever could.

You need to look deeper. The problem is not some dumb slogans. It's the leadership is not in step with the voters about core economic and foreign policy issues.

#38 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-24 04:07 PM | Reply

"So you're fine with chanting inaccurate slogans that DONT really represent your policies"

Me?
I'm not really into chanting slogans.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 04:14 PM | Reply

THATS your election strategy?

No, it's Putin's election strategy. Pretend to be liberal and put all kinds of ridiculous slogans on Facebook. Swing voters are stupid enough to fall for it. As you'll recall, we had people like Andrea, A Mattress dutifully parroting the fake liberal accounts here on the Drudge Retort. False Flag operations werk!

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 04:16 PM | Reply

"Because all DEFUND THE POLICE does is help elect republicans."

Is that why you keep bringing up DEFUND THE POLICE every chance you get?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 04:17 PM | Reply

No, it's Putin's election strategy. Pretend to be liberal and put all kinds of ridiculous slogans on Facebook. Swing voters are stupid enough to fall for it. As you'll recall, we had people like Andrea, A Mattress dutifully parroting the fake liberal accounts here on the Drudge Retort. False Flag operations werk!

#40 | Posted by snoofy

All putin had to do was spam swing voters' facebook pages with images of liberal dummies chanting to defund the police. Liberal dummies handed trump the gun and the ammo to blow our heads off with.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 05:49 PM | Reply

Is that why you keep bringing up DEFUND THE POLICE every chance you get?

#41 | Posted by snoofy a

You want me to stop saying it because it'll cost us votes?

Good luck getting the republicans to go along with that. They'll keep saying thats what liberals want because they know it'll help them win.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 05:49 PM | Reply

You need to look deeper. The problem is not some dumb slogans. It's the leadership is not in step with the voters about core economic and foreign policy issues.

#38 | Posted by Effeteposer

Seems like you're the one who needs to look deeper. At the data from swing voters.

www.cbsnews.com
Cedric Richmond says "defund the police" cost Democrats seats in the House

www.usatoday.com
James Clyburn: 'Defund the police' cost Democrats seats, hurt BLM

All I want to do is win and keep the fascists out of power. The DEFUNDERS are either total morons who like losing or are republicans/russians in disguise.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 05:53 PM | Reply

www.theguardian.com
Here's what interviewing voters taught me about the slogan 'defund the police'

While 80% of my focus group agreed racism exists in the criminal justice, they are turned off by the slogan " even though they support cutting police funds

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 05:54 PM | Reply

"Another participant was exasperated, "That is crazier than anything Trump has ever said."

We tried to explain the actual policies behind the slogan "defund the police". We noted that many activists who use this phrase simply want to reduce police funding and reallocate some of it to social services. One woman interrupted us to say "that is not what defund the police means, I'm sorry. It means they want to defund the police." "I didn't like being lied to about this over and over again," added another woman. "Don't try and tell me words don't mean what they say," she continued. The rest of the group nodded their heads in agreement."

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 05:58 PM | Reply

"You want me to stop saying it because it'll cost us votes?"

Isn't this what you've been saying all along?
That DEFUND THE POLICE will cost Democrats votes?

Yet here you are, saying it all day every day!

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 06:35 PM | Reply

Yet here you are, saying it all day every day!

#47 | Posted by snoofy

Yeah saying how stupid it was last time so adolescent babies will stop saying it and costing us seats in congress or the white house. AGAIN.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 07:11 PM | Reply

So, you're gonna keep saying it, right?

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 07:14 PM | Reply

I'm going to keep yelling at morons who say we should keep saying it.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-24 07:29 PM | Reply

Everyone needs a hobby!

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 07:32 PM | Reply

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