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Wednesday, June 23, 2021

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed legislation requiring students, faculty and staff at Florida's public universities and colleges to register their political views with the state as a way to encourage "intellectual diversity."

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Well this is good news for recruiters at non-Florida universities.

#1 | Posted by horstngraben at 2021-06-23 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

What he wants to do is use the survey to prove that colleges make people more liberal, as if this will be proof of liberal brainwashing or indoctrination, when all it will really prove is becoming smarter makes you more liberal.

If you made me take that survey when I entered college and when I graduated, it would definitely look like college made me more liberal. When in fact simply being around more types of people and learning more about the world makes everyone more liberal.

#2 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-23 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

What?? This can't be constitutional. I hope someone drops a lawsuit in like the next ten minutes.

#3 | Posted by ABH at 2021-06-23 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Oligarchs gotta oligarch.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2021-06-23 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I believe Florida is America's appendix. Not needed, and only gives you a mighty pain now and then.

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-06-23 01:56 PM | Reply

Some people think that the term "fascist" is an exaggeration.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2021-06-23 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Can I lie about what I believe? Because Florida is making it my interest to do so.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2021-06-23 02:00 PM | Reply

Political Belief Registry: "Yeah!!"
Firearm Registry: "Over my cold dead body!!"

#8 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-06-23 02:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 5

What he wants to do is use the survey to prove that colleges make people more liberal

#2 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

What he wants to do is persecute his political opposition.

Republicans are scum.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2021-06-23 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lying us the best thing under the circumstances. Tell them how you love God and country,and that only republican values are worthy of consideration. Or just refuse to answer any questions about politics,and make it sound like it comes from a concern about freedom. But be humble.

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-06-23 02:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is a stupid idea. This isn't about protecting free speech.

And speaking of free speech....doesn't that include the freedom to NOT express a political view?

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2021-06-23 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Leave it to Douchesantis...

#12 | Posted by RevDarko at 2021-06-23 02:26 PM | Reply

Forcing 18 year olds to choose which political party they prefer seems like a great use of legislative power.

Way to go Republicans!

Way to go Floriduh!

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-23 02:28 PM | Reply

Trumpism only works for one guy. This'll help get DeSantis the '24 nomination, but it will be one of the nails in his defeat.

#14 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2021-06-23 02:40 PM | Reply

The bill references requiring universities to issue surveys. I might have missed it but I didn't see where students/faculty had to respond to them.

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2021-06-23 02:52 PM | Reply

"The bill references requiring universities to issue surveys. I might have missed it but I didn't see where students/faculty had to respond to them.
#15 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

Aw man you went and ruined a perfectly good outrage rant for the resident hate mongers.
Never tell "the rest of the story" to these flea brains.

#16 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-06-23 03:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I look forward to those students that announced theyre part of the Jesus party.

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2021-06-23 03:05 PM | Reply

What's your political affiliation?

"Noneya"

Noneya?

"Yes. Noneya business."

#18 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-06-23 03:10 PM | Reply

"The bill references requiring universities to issue surveys. I might have missed it but I didn't see where students/faculty had to respond to them.
#15 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

So just another power grab by a GQP schmuck designed to squander education money for political purposes.

#19 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-06-23 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well this is good news for recruiters at non-Florida universities.

#1 | Posted by horstngraben at 2021-06-23 01:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Most 17 and 18 years are too concerned with party atmosphere than the notion of big brother intrusion.

#20 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-06-23 03:13 PM | Reply

Isn't Florida State one of the most conservative public universities in the country? Is it that big of a problem?

Let Universities be liberal. Let kids be exposed to it.

What I really dislike the most about this is that this is an admittance that the political leanings of some blowhard professor matters.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2021-06-23 03:20 PM | Reply

#14 | Posted by lee_the_agent

I have a feeling DeSantis will be destroyed in debates just like Rick Perry. None of these tools have the Teflon Don touch.

#22 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-06-23 03:20 PM | Reply

I might have missed it but I didn't see where students/faculty had to respond to them.

So why waste everyone's time with it?

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-06-23 03:22 PM | Reply

I have a feeling DeSantis will be destroyed in debates just like Rick Perry. None of these tools have the Teflon Don touch.

#22 | Posted by GalaxiePete

He looks and sounds like an angry redneck. That isn't going to help him ...

#24 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-06-23 03:27 PM | Reply

More from the article:

DeSantis also signed a law prohibiting university and college officials from limiting campus speech that "may be uncomfortable, disagreeable or offensive," and will allow students to record lectures without consent that may be used as evidence in a civil or criminal case against educational institutions.

I have to believe that law will be destroyed in court - at least I hope so. The main reason is there are reasons to limit this speech at times and especially in classroom settings. But let's get real it boils down to Good 'ole boys wanting to throw around the N word without consequences.

Throw in the fact he is creating a double standard within Florida law which is a 2 Party Consent law for recording. I'm not sure that applies to lectures but it must have otherwise why do it? You are giving the power to one side but not both or for that matter everyone.

#25 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-06-23 03:29 PM | Reply

Two seconds after being requested to take this survey, the kids will be on tiktok coming up with funny responses.

I expect a big turnout for ----- mcfartface or Douce DeSantis

#26 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-23 03:34 PM | Reply

CLEARLY AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL ABUSE OF POWER AND WE ALL kNOw IT> DISGUSTING! WELCOME TO GULAG FLOrIDA>

#27 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-23 03:44 PM | Reply

CAN ANYONE IMAGINE THE OUTRAGE IF IT WERE A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR TRYING TO PULL THIS CRAP OFF?
You right wing jerks would be losing your empty minds!

#28 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-23 03:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is a stupid idea. This isn't about protecting free speech.

And speaking of free speech....doesn't that include the freedom to NOT express a political view?

#11 | Posted by eberly

But you'll keep voting for them, sending the message that you're just fine with all of this.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-23 03:53 PM | Reply

DANNI

Would you drop me an email at: drudgedrudgedrudge@gmail.com?

I'd like to chat about computer related stuff ...

#30 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-06-23 04:00 PM | Reply

"I might have missed it but I didn't see where students/faculty had to respond to them.
So why waste everyone's time with it?"

Implied requirement of a response is a violation of free speech, this is truly the most disgusting attempt to control student's political views I have seen in decades. Hello Stalin, apparently you are welcome here in the Sunshine State.
Fascism is here to stay in Florida, I may not be. This should be a moment that all of us unite and just say F no! ARe the rest of you still Americans? I somehow doubt that you are if this doesn't totally outrage you. America was a great place to live but then came Trump and his sychophantic whores like Desantis.
Sad day for America and the world is watching this disgusting episode of anti-freedom of speech.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-23 04:02 PM | Reply

What I really dislike the most about this is that this is an admittance that the political leanings of some blowhard professor matters.

#21 | Posted by eberly

No its an admittance that the moronic governor believes the rupert murdoch propaganda about colleges brainwashing kids with liberalism.

Your kid didn't go to college and come out as a democrat because he was brainwashed. Your kid went to college and came out a democrat because he met other races and sexual orientations and realized they weren't the demons his family told him they were. Then he learned about history and economics and discovered the damage that conservatism has done to the economy. Then he leared about the rise of fascism in world history and realized it is happening the exact same way here in the republican party.

So yeah college made your kid liberal - by opening his eyes to the real world.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-23 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Well said Speaksoftly! Spot on!

#33 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-23 04:10 PM | Reply

What this amounts to is a test that will be recorded and reported to future employers, etc. to notify them of the political leanings of potential employees. It is like the Frat system, it is a test of your political values, recorded for future use by the right to side line anyone they disagree with. It is Fascism. The people proposing it are Fascists. Desantis is a Fascist. You can pretend I am the extremist for calling them out but they are the real Fascists. Don't go down this road willingly because we will get to a point that you deeply
regret your mistake but it will be too late to do anything about it.
This entire idea should be totally and absolutely protested and those supporting it should be called out as the Fascists that they are. This is how Fascism takes hold in a society and we should not allow any foothold for it in our state or our nation.
This is enough to declare Desantis to be a Fascist and call him out for it at every public appearance and every newsworthy event he participates in. This is Fascism. This is how it looks when it starts. REalize that the responses to this will be recorded and be brought out later to destroy any candidate for office while pretending that not agreeing with this s**t is tantamount to unpatriotic behavior.
This is serious business no matter what the liars tell you today. In a democratic nation this is the kind of thing we simply cannot allow.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-23 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

One party believes in science, the other believes in a mythical white sky-beings written about in a text that's over 2000 years old in an ancient language for which translations prove sketchy. This measure sounds like it's backed by the Kochs. The next step will be to remove tenure from "liberal" professors, and grant it to "conservatives" and to reapportion scholarship and grant money away from deserving liberals toward knuckle dragging mouth breathing MAGAts. It maybe be voluntary now, but the state government will find a way to make it mandatory, such as by cutting funding for institutions that don't return a large enough percentage of surveys. If I was a college student considering where I was going for my post secondary education, Florida just came off my list of prospects. Good work Gov. Deathsentence, you've assured that the only people who will attend college in Florida are the morons who believe as you do. It's like a daily contest between Deathsentence, and MAGAbbott as to who is the worst POS in state government. Currently it's Deathsentence, but MAGAbbott is rolling up on the outside.

#35 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-06-23 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I just want to ask the morons who support Desantis, how do you think Fascism found support under Mussolini? This is how. Political views were recorded so that when Mussolini took power it was easy to know who his enemies were. Recording of political views is, by definition, Fascist. Our problem today is that we have so many young people who just don't understand the meaning or the potential violence that is associated with Fascism. It is not a normal political viewpoint, it is a violent, viscious party of demons who will torture, kill and do anything else necessary to maintain their power. Please young folks, read some history. Find out what this leads to. You won't like what you learn but you need to learn so that we can all avoid it.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-23 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

DANNI

Check your inbox :-)

#37 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-06-23 04:35 PM | Reply

"The bill references requiring universities to issue surveys. I might have missed it but I didn't see where students/faculty had to respond to them."

----

Required being the key point. If you don't have to respond, then it's optional.

If Universities were considered heavily leaning to the right, this bill wouldn't exist. Political parties only want their approved indoctrination.

#38 | Posted by Pirate at 2021-06-23 04:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ok, my bad. The survey is required but no indication a response is required.

#39 | Posted by Pirate at 2021-06-23 04:46 PM | Reply

Political parties only want their approved indoctrination.

#38 | Posted by Pirate

Learning real facts in history is not indoctrination. It ENDS indoctrination.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-23 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The bill references requiring universities to issue surveys.

Regardless.

What does polling 18 year olds about political affiliation going to show?

Most of them are probably just learning what politics are.

Or maybe I'm speaking anecdotally. But most kids I grew up with, went to school with, didn't care about politics.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-06-23 05:02 PM | Reply

This is the foot in the door. Trust me, unless the ACLU or some other entity slaps it down with a 1A lawsuit, the next step is to attach funding to the percentage of completed surveys that get returned.

Fascism doesn't come overnight, it's a creeping progression, especially for a country with a democracy as old as ours. The GQP has been moving toward fascism since at least the late 90's, when they lost their freaking minds when Janet Reno declared that Reichwing militias were a significant threat of domestic terrorism. The DOJ had to retract that statement, and was afraid until recently, in spite of all the available evidence, to broach that subject again. Then in 2000, Cheney moved the fascism ball 20 yards from the goal line, when he backed the "Unitary Executive" theory of government, and misused our intel services in order to start an illegal war in order to win reelection. Fast forward to Dotard, who built on that, and came dangerously close to overthrowing a free and fair election, which would have been touchdown, game over. He was fortunate enough to find Barr, who was more than willing to weaponize the DOJ to attack Combover Quisling's enemies. Fortunately in the end, it appears that Barr, and other in DOJ got cold feet.

Democracy is like a delicate flower, it needs to be fed and watered, given sunshine and cared for. For too long, Dems have been taking democracy for granted, and now we find ourselves in an existential battle for the soul and future of our country, a fight that we NEED to win, but not enough of us are taking as seriously as the MAGAts who are all-in for fascism.

#42 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-06-23 05:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-The state will require taxpayer-funded colleges and universities to issue surveys to determine "the extent to which competing ideas and perspectives are presented" on campus and whether students, faculty and staff "feel free to express [their] beliefs and viewpoints,"

they are asking them if the are allowed to express their beliefs..not just their political viewpoints.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2021-06-23 05:09 PM | Reply

they are asking them if the are allowed to express their beliefs..not just their political viewpoints.

#43 | Posted by eberly

And if they're conservative, they'll whine that being held accountable for their hateful beliefs is the same thing as not being allowed to express their beliefs.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-06-23 05:36 PM | Reply

It is obvious that NONE of you read the bill The required surveys will not ask anyone to divulge their political beliefs. They will be asked whether they "feel free to express their beliefs and viewpoints on
campus and in the classroom". The bill does not "limit free speech", it does the opposite. The bill reads like the ACLU wrote it.

Recording lectures is already legal, the bill stops universities from making rules that prevent students from doing so.(Two party consent relates to private conversations, NOT speech inpublic settings). The one issue I see is that it requires consent from the lecturer before "publishing" it. Florida has broad open records laws. Anything a professor says in a public classroom is subject to public disclosure without "permission"

#45 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 06:35 AM | Reply

This bill is a snowflake's dream. Poor, poor, "conservatives." Poor babies need the entire Florida University System to be a giant safe space for them so they can express their views without any repercussions. Heaven help the University if these poor aggrieved "conservatives" whine and cry about how unfair they "feel" about the way they're being treated.

This ought to be fun. Let's see if the freedom to call out white supremacists -------- preaching hate will be as protected under this new law as their hate?

This has the feel of "unintended consequences" written all through it.

www.flsenate.gov

#46 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-24 08:18 AM | Reply

What?? This can't be constitutional. I hope someone drops a lawsuit in like the next ten minutes.

#3 | Posted by ABH at 2021-06-23 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

DeathSanits doesn't care.

The Qtards, being fiscally cancervative, don't care how much government money is spent defending their stupid fascist virtue signalling rules.

#47 | Posted by Nixon at 2021-06-24 08:31 AM | Reply

Like I said. None of you even bothered to read the bill before you got yourselves all upset about it. The bill id pretty much the OPPOSITE of everything you are saying it is. But don't let the truth interrupt your paranoid delusions.

#48 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 01:35 PM | Reply

I read it.
So "none of you" is wrong.

#49 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-24 01:41 PM | Reply

Then I guess you missed the part about shielding...... which is really about NOT creating "safe spaces" for snowflakes.

#50 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 01:43 PM | Reply

And I guess You made up the part about the "freedom to call out white supremacists" there was nothing in the bill about that.

#51 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 01:46 PM | Reply

Virtually none of the "rants" above actually reference ANY of the bills actual language. I challenge you to identify anything specific in the ACTUAL BILL that is objectionable.

#52 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 01:55 PM | Reply

I didn't miss any of it.
I read between the lines, visualized how it can be used, how it may be used, who the authors are, what the "problem" they are addressing is being addressed by this bill, and what the results could be.

What drove this bill, Miranda7?
Why is it in existence?
What is the goal?

You aren't that dumb, but you may be that dishonest.

#53 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-24 02:04 PM | Reply

I think All Democrats should send
All Republicans a nice plaque with
a Hammer and a Sickle on it, for
Republicans to hang on their wall
this Christmas...

And send a nice greeting card, that says
something like, "Happy Holidays,
and good luck with the Next Covid,
you're in our Thoughts and Prayers",
the Democratic Opposition...

#54 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-06-24 02:10 PM | Reply

"Virtually none of the "rants" above actually reference ANY of the bills actual language."

You're joking, right? They suggested THIS:
DeSantis and the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues (R-Estero), suggested funding could be cut as punishment for colleges and universities found to be "indoctrinating" students

One guess who's going to be defining the word "indoctrinating" and setting the parameters.

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 02:30 PM | Reply

#55 - Exactly right - and this --------- about "non-partisan" survey doesn't quantify or qualify what information is to be collected and how it may be used. But "Freedumb" and "Frsit Amenddement!" sounds so good!

#56 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-24 03:05 PM | Reply

"DeSantis and the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues (R-Estero), suggested funding could be cut as punishment for colleges and universities found to be "indoctrinating" students"

That is not in the bill and that's also not what either DeSantis or Rodriguez said. Your "quote" is from a journalist. That is HER interpretation. But if you want to spend your time wringing your hands about what is "between the lines" and what journalists have to sayabout it,...you be you. If you READ THE BILL you will find it is quite reasonable and bipartisan in nature. I don't give a ---- which team wrote it. It protects free speech on campus. ALL free speech, not just the free speech YOU want to protect.

#57 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 05:14 PM | Reply

"That is not in the bill "

DeSantis specifically said "That's not worth tax dollars". If you don't know what that means, that's on you.

"ALL free speech, not just the free speech YOU want to protect."

I haven't suggested squelching ANY free speech. Why are you fabricating accusations?

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 05:22 PM | Reply

One of my kids graduated from FSU, the other from UF. They both had to complete mandatory, detailed surveys about their sexuality, drug and alcohol use. Whose idea was that? The surveys are very graphic. My 17 year old daughter had to ask me what "-------" was. It was one of the questions on the survey. Relatively speaking, I have no objection to them being asked if they feel comfortable expressing their viewpoints. Seriously? you fear that kind of survey?

They aren't allowed to record lectures. Why not? What are the professors afraid of?

Both of my kids left home as conservatives. They both graduated as liberals I don't think they were indoctrinated and don't blame the Universities, or anyone else., I respect our differences in opinion and I am very proud of them because they think for themselves and are open minded enough to listen to the viewpoints of others. My oldest is migrating back towards the center. Living in the real world and paying taxes sometimes causes that.

#59 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 05:29 PM | Reply

That's what the bill says. Pretty much, don't squelch free speech. But you want to squelch the bill. Same thing.

#60 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 05:30 PM | Reply

"But you want to squelch the bill. "

I want to squelch the idea of defunding universities based on whether one party or the other defines "indoctrination" narrowly enough.

Flip things around: should state funding be denied to all universities tied to religions?

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 05:33 PM | Reply

"Both of my kids left home as conservatives. They both graduated as liberals I don't think they were indoctrinated and don't blame the Universities, or anyone else"

What happened, in your estimation? If, as you say, the Universities weren't indoctrinating them (and I agree)...what do you surmise happened? TIA.

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 05:35 PM | Reply

One more time.......can someone quote any language from the ACTUAL bill that you find objectionable? Didn't think so.

#63 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 05:37 PM | Reply

Dan forth,
A variety of factors. Most of us reach our ideological positions based on our influences and experiences. I was a career cop. Saw the worst of the worst people life has to offer. Daily exposure to hard, gritty reality tends to make you conservative. My kids are young and both employed in the entertainment industry, which surrounds the,with liberals. I protected them from gritty reality of my world and encouraged them to think freely and make their own decisions.

I did not say the universities were not indoctrinating them. That absolutely occurs. Just one influential teacher or professor CAN indoctrinate a kid...to any viewpoint. There are conservative indoctrinators as well, just not very many of them. I just said I don't think that happened with my kids. They are both very strong minded, made their own choices and I respect them.

#64 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 05:46 PM | Reply

"Flip things around: should state funding be denied to all universities tied to religions?"
I think it pretty much already is. But you raise a good point. There are a few (very few) colleges known for being "conservative". Supposing they discouraged diversity of thought and squelched free speech, Berated students who expressed liberal viewpoints during classroom discussions. " Sheilded" students from free speech or differing viewpoints (like not allowing Atheist speakers on campus, or Pro Choice demonstrations, LGBT student clubs, etc.) in order to create safe spaces where their Conservative or Christian students would not be triggered? This bill can be used to address those things as well. The language in the bill is not partisan. It can be used by either side, and will be.

#65 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 05:56 PM | Reply

"They aren't allowed to record lectures. Why not? What are the professors afraid of?"

I thought you said you were a cop?
They're afraid of the cops!

Florida is a two party consent state. Meaning if you are recording a lecture, and someone asks a question, that person would need to consent to being recorded.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 06:11 PM | Reply

"...can someone quote any language from the ACTUAL bill that you find objectionable?"

Why don't you find We're gonna punish anyone who doesn't indoctrinate the way we want students to be indoctrinated problematic?

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 06:43 PM | Reply

"Just one influential teacher or professor CAN indoctrinate a kid...to any viewpoint."

Teachers ideally open up many worlds, including the ones most interesting to the student. That isn't necessarily indoctrination, unless you view indoctrination as believing anything you don't.

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 06:47 PM | Reply

"I think it pretty much already is."

It's not at all. SMU and Catholic University both get government funding, to name two.

"This bill can be used to address those things as well."

Not if one side gets to define "indoctrination". And if you're honest, you'll admit DeSantis isn't about to defund the "Liberty University"s of the world.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 06:52 PM | Reply

"They are both very strong minded, made their own choices and I respect them."

Since their choices were to become liberals...

...does that mean you were indoctrinating them?

#70 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 06:53 PM | Reply

"...can someone quote any language from the ACTUAL bill that you find objectionable?"

68 (c) The State Board of Education may not shield students,
69 faculty, or staff at Florida College System institutions from
70 free speech protected under the First Amendment to the United
71 States Constitution, Art. I of the State Constitution, or s.
72 1004.097.
www.flsenate.gov

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 07:09 PM | Reply

113 (3) RIGHT TO FREE-SPEECH ACTIVITIES."
114 (a) Expressive activities protected under the First
115 Amendment to the United States Constitution and Art. I of the
116 State Constitution include, but are not limited to, any lawful
117 oral or written communication of ideas, including all forms of
118 peaceful assembly, protests, and speeches; distributing
119 literature; carrying signs; circulating petitions; faculty
120 research, lectures, writings, and commentary, whether published
121 or unpublished; and the recording and publication, including the
122 Internet publication, of video or audio recorded in outdoor
123 areas of campus. Expressive activities protected by this section
124 do not include defamatory or commercial speech.
125 (f) A Florida College System institution or a state
126 university may not shield students, faculty, or staff from
127 expressive activities.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 07:12 PM | Reply

Liberty, SMU and Catholic University are not in Florida. This is a STATE law, your point is irrelevant.

Snoofy. Catch up. It is not illegal to record someone in a public place. Two party consent refers to PRIVATE conversation. Your point is irrelevant.

"Why don't you find We're gonna punish anyone who doesn't indoctrinate the way we want students to be indoctrinated problematic?" Dan forth, that is your example of problematic language in,the bill? That is not in the bill, you just pulled that out of your ass.

Again, I challenge anyone to find any language IN THE BILL that is objectionable.

#73 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 08:24 PM | Reply

Ok Snoofy, so you have quoted the bill. So what is objectionable about that?

#74 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 08:26 PM | Reply

"This is a STATE law, your point is irrelevant."

My point is solid: Universities should NOT be subject to financial penalties if they don't indoctrinate students the way the ruling party wants.

"that is your example of problematic language in,the bill?

That's the interpretation of the guy who signs the checks. If that's what the state's chief officer believes is his purview under the new law, then yes, it's problematic.

Your defense is the guy who signed it doesn't understand what the law allows.

#75 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 08:39 PM | Reply

"Liberty...(is) not in Florida"

Other religious schools are. That's why I put quotes around it. And my point was "enforcement" via financial penalties won't apply to "religious" indoctrination, or even right wing indoctrination, not when the definition comes from the State BOE, appointed in by the governor.

#76 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 08:48 PM | Reply

Nope that's YOUR interpretation, and it is most definitely not in the bill, at ALL. There is virtually NOTHING in the bill about subjecting universities to financial penalties.

#77 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 08:52 PM | Reply

This bill has nothing to do with religious schools. It applies to state colleges and universities in the Florida College System, ONLY, NONE a of which are religious schools. Wrong again.

#78 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 08:56 PM | Reply

"So what is objectionable about that?"

If Nazis choose to express themselves all day every day on campus, the university can't ask them to leave.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 08:58 PM | Reply

No Sir, my defense is YOU have no idea what the law allows. You are building a hell of a ------ straw man though

#80 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 08:58 PM | Reply

"YOU have no idea what the law allows."

The law doesn't allow.
The law forbids.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 09:04 PM | Reply

"There is virtually NOTHING in the bill about subjecting universities to financial penalties."

The guy who signed it said he'll use tax dollars to enforce any unapproved indoctrination. At this point, it doesn't matter how much you point to the wording. I'll take his interpretation over yours every time.

#82 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 09:16 PM | Reply

Snoofy. The First Amendment has ALWAYS allowed Anyone (including Nazis) to express themselves in public places. A state college campus is a public place. That is an unfortunate side effect of Constitutionally protected free speech. Are you opposed to the First Amendment?

#83 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 09:18 PM | Reply

Wrong again Danfirth. DeSantis didn't say that. That is YOUR interpretation of something a JOURNALIST said. Anfd again the bill that you didn't read doesn't mention anything about that.

#84 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 09:20 PM | Reply

What does the law do, according to the retired cop?

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 09:21 PM | Reply

"There is virtually NOTHING in the bill about subjecting universities to financial penalties."

The governor said it OUT LOUD. Pretending he didn't is insulting.

Besides, we both know a law without any penalty is a suggestion.

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 09:22 PM | Reply

"DeSantis didn't say that."

He said (in regards to places who "indoctrinate"), "That's not worth tax dollars and that's not something that we're going to be supporting moving forward."

Now...are you a moron, or not???

#87 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 09:25 PM | Reply

Again. what's the law actually do?

What changes on July 1 when students can't be shielded from First Amendment activity?

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 09:26 PM | Reply

"the bill that you didn't read doesn't mention anything about that."

Nonsense. It references the annual survey asking if certain points of view feel comfortable being proffered. That's the section DeSantis was referring to...that too much "indoctrination" (as defined by the DeSantis-appointed state BOE) won't be supported with tax dollars.

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 09:31 PM | Reply

If this cop can't tell me what the law does and then I'm not listening to a damn thing he says.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 09:47 PM | Reply

Snoofy, if you can't READ the law yourself what is the point of me explaining it to you?

#91 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 10:11 PM | Reply

I read it.

You're basing your "analysis" on what you are trying to sell. We're not that stupid. We've all seen what Republicans are doing.

Like Texas where just the allegation of fraud can wipe out an entire election without any analysis or confirmation.

Your response to DeSantis (someone anyone paying attention already knows has lied about his military experience, weaponized the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and turned them into his own Stasi, and has moved to lock up his opponents) is "nothing in the law says he'll act with bad will based on whatever might be interpreted from the surveys that are supposed to be unbiased!"

Oh that's just great. /s

#92 | Posted by YAV at 2021-06-24 10:16 PM | Reply

Stop ducking the question and answer it.

What does the law do?

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-24 10:17 PM | Reply

I'm not the one analyzing here......that's y'all reimagining, reading between the lines and launching into paranoid slippery slope interpretatios. Scared to death of a survey.

I'm just telling you to read the law. It's right there in black and white. So far NOBODY has come up with a single thing in the ACTUAL BILL that is objectionable. Still waiting.

#94 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 10:54 PM | Reply

"I'm just telling you to read the law."

No, you're also telling us to ignore how the state's chief officer has said he'll enforce the law.

Are you gaslighting on purpose?

#95 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 11:04 PM | Reply

"So far NOBODY has come up with a single thing in the ACTUAL BILL that is objectionable. Still waiting."

Is there a penalty connected to this law, or is this not really a law, but merely a recomendation?

#96 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 11:06 PM | Reply

Is there a penalty connected to this law, or is this not really a law, but merely a recomendation?

I read it and it just looked like waste of ink.

#97 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-06-24 11:18 PM | Reply

"So far NOBODY has come up with a single thing in the ACTUAL BILL that is objectionable."

Nonsense. You just don't believe weaponizing speech at universities is objectionable.

Tell us what you think DeSantis meant when he said, "That's not worth tax dollars and that's not something that we're going to be supporting moving forward."

#98 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 11:24 PM | Reply

Again, your interpretation, your assumption. YOU gaslighting......that's not what he said.

#99 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 11:29 PM | Reply

"that's not what he said."

YOU LIE

www.miamiherald.com

I quoted him.

#100 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 11:30 PM | Reply

Just admit it: you want everyone to IGNORE how Florida's chief officer said he interprets and will enforce this law.

#101 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 11:32 PM | Reply

Ok....I cross posted. I was referring to your previous post. NOW you've got the quote right. What he MEANT by it is what he said before that.....which was a lot of context about diversity of thought and suppression.of first amendment speech. Hang in there and I'll get you a quote of what he said before that and after that that expresses what he MEANT

#102 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 11:36 PM | Reply

"Hang in there and I'll get you a quote of what he said before that and after that that expresses what he MEANT"

Will we still have to ignore what he SAID?

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 11:42 PM | Reply

"which was a lot of context about diversity of thought and suppression.of first amendment speech"

...the definitions and barometers of which, will come from DeSantis's personally-appointed state BOE. And unapproved speech will be met with budget cuts.

#104 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 11:45 PM | Reply

No that is my whole point. This whole thread you have been ignoring what he said and arguing YOUR personal interpretation on what he meant. Im saying you have to listen to what he SAID, in CONTEXT, before and after the one phrase you have quoted if you expect to reasonably discern what he meant. And that was a lot.

#105 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 11:48 PM | Reply

"And unapproved speech will be met with budget cuts." Nope never said that either . If you will just fabricating for a few minutes I can tell you what he actually DID say, but I don't think you care so I don't know why I am bothering.

#106 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-24 11:51 PM | Reply

" to reasonably discern what he meant"

1. They're going to take an annual survey
2. Universities guilty of indoctrination will have their budgets cut (The DeSantis direct quote)
3. The Governor appoints the state BOE
4. The state BOE is responsible for the definition of "indoctrination"

I didn't miss a damned thing.

#107 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 11:54 PM | Reply

"Nope never said that either"

My apologies. You clearly can't put two and two together.

WTF does "That's not worth tax dollars and that's not something that we're going to be supporting moving forward" mean if not "indoctrination" will be met with budget cuts???

"I don't think you care so I don't know why I am bothering."

What a riot. You have to labor to try to ignore EXACTLY WHAT DeSANTIS MEANT.

#108 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-24 11:58 PM | Reply

"I can tell you what he actually DID say"

Please do, because unless he prefaced the salient phrase with I don't mean what I'm about to say, you're rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

#109 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-25 12:06 AM | Reply

"2. Universities guilty of indoctrination will have their budgets cut (The DeSantis direct quote)" NOPE, you are leaping and lying again.

HERE is the Desantis direct quote. Nothing omitted, no interpretation.

"The bill requires colleges and universities to conduct annual assessments on the intellectual freedom and viewpoint diversity at these institutions. It used to be thought that a university campus was a place where you would be exposed to a lot of different ideas. Unfortunately now the norm is really these are more intellectually repressive environments. You have orthodoxys that are promoted and other viewpoints are shunned or even suppressed. We don't want that in Florida. You need to have a true contest of ideas. Students should not be shielded from ideas and we want robust first amendment speech on our college and university campuses. I think having intellectual diversity is very very important as we go forward and I know a lot of parents one of the things they worry about if you send a kid to a university are they just going to basically be indoctrinated, are they actually gonna be taught to think for themselves, challenge assumptions and really be critical thinkers and learners. We obviously want our universities to be focused on critical thinking andcademic rigor. We do not want them as basically hotbeds for stale ideology. That's not worth tax dollars and thats not something we're going to be supporting going forward. So these bills build off a lot of the work we've done since I took office."

#110 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-06-25 12:13 AM | Reply

"We obviously want our universities to be focused on critical thinking andcademic rigor. We do not want them as basically hotbeds for stale ideology."

Clearly DeSaints is calling for a fresh ideology on college campii.

One that is apparently being stifled at Florida public universities.

And he's forbidding Florida public universities from shielding the students from these viewpoints that have been shunned.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-25 12:21 AM | Reply

"HERE is the Desantis direct quote. Nothing omitted, no interpretation."

Thank you for proving my point.

DeSantis and his BOE will define both "stale ideology" and "hotbed", and those he determines as such, are "not worth tax dollars...going forward". EXACTLY as I "interpreted".

I rest my case. Either you see it clearly, or you're in deep, deep denial for partisan reasons.

#112 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-25 12:24 AM | Reply

"Universities guilty of indoctrination will have their budgets cut (The DeSantis direct quote)" NOPE, you are leaping and lying again."

I wasn't quoting DeSantis there. I was saying that's the gist of the exact words he said, which I'd quoted earlier. It was a reference, not an additional quote.

The quote itself is damning enough, especially in context.

#113 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-25 12:26 AM | Reply

I'm curious, do Florida state universities underperform in terms of producing students known for critical thinking and academic rigor?

Is there a specific shortcoming in the educational system in the state of Florida, that this legislation hopes to address?

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-06-25 12:27 AM | Reply

"Is there a specific shortcoming in the educational system in the state of Florida, that this legislation hopes to address?"

Youth is trending towards the Democrats. It's a horrible, horrible problem, causing hotbeds of stale ideology.

#115 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-06-25 12:34 AM | Reply

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
The GOP doesn't want Democracy, they want
Apartheid Minority Rule...

The GOP are the South African Afrikaners Party
of the 2020's...

#116 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-06-25 05:32 AM | Reply

The GOP are the South African Afrikaners Party
of the 2020's...

#116 | Posted by earthmuse

Those have been exactly my thoughts for quite some time.

#117 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-06-25 05:48 AM | Reply

This bill has some good points if applied to Churches. I should be able to go into any Church and argue with the priest because free speech. Any Church that prevents a free and open sharing of view points should lose its charitable status.
We don't want Churches to continue to indoctrinate kids with stale out of date ideologies do we?

#118 | Posted by bored at 2021-06-25 08:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It should be obvious what point he's (passive aggressively) making with this law. Many of the simpletons are helping him make it.

#119 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-06-25 10:10 AM | Reply

Why do right wingers object to a registry of all fire arms? Because then the government will know who has fire arms, what kind, etc. But the same folks want to survey students opinions on politics, etc. so that same government will have a registry of those opinions which they can then use to inform future employers, etc. with.
The basic idea of a survey of opinions is contrary to freedom of speech and thought and, sorry, it is the intent of DeSatanist, it is a long term way to control who gets appointed, hired, and is allowed to have any position of authority.
Even those supporting DeSatanist know that is the reason for this but they are just too dishonest to admit it. I know people like that and they have in the past explained their support for such measures, they honestly believe that their ideology is so right and so important that measures like this are justified and, even though one of those people is my own brother, it is absolutely crap.
If anyone asks you to tell them your political beliefs who are in a position of power, such as running a University, they are Fascists and will use that information to harm you later.
Our nation is under attack from Fascists, don't give them any information about any opinion you hold, don't give them any opportunity to share your opinions with any prospective employer.
This is the tactic employed by thugs like J. Edgar Hoover.
It only serves to increase my absolute disdain for DeSAtanist.

#120 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-25 10:36 AM | Reply

Never forget that Trump's former advisor was Roy Kohn who was a supporter of J. Edgar Hoover. Today DeSatanist is a supporter of Trump. Realize, once and for all, that the basic philosophy followed by Kohn, Trump, DeSatanist are came from the same basic tree; J. Edgar Hoover. If you aren't as old as I am you don't remember the Vietnam era and how Hoover kept files on thousands of people so that when and if they were ever potentially in a position to qualify for a position of authority he could lead information that would kill any such ambition. Nothing has changed, that is exactly what this is all about whether or not the DeSatanist supporters are intelligent enough or honest enough to ever admit it.

#121 | Posted by danni at 2021-06-25 10:43 AM | Reply

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