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Friday, July 09, 2021

An officer charged with protecting lawmakers during the January 6th insurrection shot and killed Ashli Babbitt as she breached a room in the Capitol. New York Magazine notes that Trump is publicly asking for the name of that officer: "Who shot Ashli Babbitt? We all saw the hand. We saw the gun ... You know, if that were on the other side, the person that did the shooting would be strung up and hung. Okay? Now, they don't want to give the name ... It's a terrible thing, right? Shot. Boom. And it's a terrible thing."

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---- that stupid fat ----.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-08 05:31 PM | Reply

"The Chilling Message of Trump's Embrace of Ashli Babbitt Martyrdom
January 6 is now a heroic uprising for the movement."

Good article.

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-08 09:58 PM | Reply

"January 6 is now a heroic uprising for the movement."

As postulated in my post on a different thread, 'hero' must now be synonymous with 'traitor.' Or at least seditionist in this context.

Choose your heroes wisely, my friends.

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-07-08 10:04 PM | Reply

"Who shot Ashli Babbitt?,"

An American Hero.

Shot that insurrectionist Trumper dead.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-08 10:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Too bad they didn't kill more of those --------.

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-08 10:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Also. People need to stop paying attention to this man.

The only power he still wields is the ability to get people to pay attention to him.

Cut him off and he's done.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-08 10:15 PM | Reply

It's not just Trump:

Last Night, MTG Equated Ashli Babbitt's Death To George Floyd's

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) on Wednesday night likened the death of Ashli Babbitt to the death of George Floyd during an interview on the conservative network Newsmax.

Greene said she believes she and Babbitt would have been friends, saying that Babbitt "seems like she was a very passionate patriot and a very proud Trump supporter, which I really appreciate that. She also noted that Babbitt was a veteran.

theintellectualist.com

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-08 10:44 PM | Reply

Babbitt may have been misguided but she wasn't a drug addicted felon trying to pass counterfeit bills.

Floyd should have been given medical treatment, and Chauvin will spend 20 years for failing his duty to provide it.

Ashli Babbitt should have never been shot. She was murdered by a black cop.

#8 | Posted by JustHank at 2021-07-08 11:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 5 | Newsworthy 1

"Babbitt may have been misguided but she wasn't a drug addicted felon trying to pass counterfeit bills."

No, she was a riled up insurrectionist who, according to a fellow insurrectionist, was trying to break into the Speaker's Lobby:

"The woman who was shot used the leg of a chair to hit a glass panel on in the door."

www.emptywheel.net

DOJ is collecting tons of video from that day, so eventually we are likely to see more images of Babbitt being shot.

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-08 11:50 PM | Reply

She was murdered by a black cop.
#8 | POSTED BY JUSTHANK

What does the race of the "murderer" have to do with anything?

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2021-07-09 12:22 AM | Reply

Give the cop a medal.

#11 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-09 01:00 AM | Reply

Babbitt may have been misguided but she wasn't a drug addicted felon trying to pass counterfeit bills.

An Insurrectionist isn't "Misguided". Too bad she only got shot once.

#12 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-09 01:02 AM | Reply

#8 Comply or die.
She was part of an armed murderous mob threatening to kill Pence and Pelosi.
She should have been killed along with all the terrorist attackers.

Justified kill.

#13 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-09 01:55 AM | Reply

"What does the race of the "murderer" have to do with anything?"

I've often wondered that myself, yet when a white cop kills a black it becomes a very big deal.

Guess you missed all of the "mostly peaceful" protests where they burned and looted several major cities.

#14 | Posted by JustHank at 2021-07-09 06:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Ashli Babbitt = Horst Wessel

#15 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-07-09 06:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's been reported that the agent that shot her was probably on Pence's secret service detail. That's really all you need to know.

#16 | Posted by qcp at 2021-07-09 08:59 AM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY JUSTHANK

We get it, you're a racist turd.

#17 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-09 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think more of the traitors should have been shot. The Capitol Police exhibited enormous restraint.

#18 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-07-09 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We get it, you're a racist turd.

#17 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD

Yep, looks like comrade Boazo has a new back up sock puppet account.

#19 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-07-09 01:08 PM | Reply

We get it, you're a racist turd.
#17 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

That doesn't work anymore.
So crawl back to your grave.

I think more of the traitors should have been shot.
#18 | Posted by Whatsleft

I feel the same about looters and arsonists. Guess we're on the same page.

#20 | Posted by JustHank at 2021-07-09 01:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

So much for back the blue

#21 | Posted by Pirate at 2021-07-09 02:48 PM | Reply

George Floyd tried to use a fake piece of paper... should not be killed for that.

Babbitt was at the tip of an unruly mob that was overwhelming capitol defenses trying to get at congress... something I do believe deserves severe punishment.

#22 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2021-07-09 03:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Guess you missed all of the "mostly peaceful" protests where they burned and looted several major cities.
#14 | POSTED BY JUSTHANK

I did miss that.
Which major cities burned?

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-09 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#20 | POSTED BY JUSTHANK

Come and make me, tough guy.

You're a joke.

#24 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-09 04:29 PM | Reply

Ashli Babbitt should have never been shot. She was murdered by a black cop.

#8 | POSTED BY JUSTHANK

Yeah, she should have.

The only reason more didn't get shot (unfortunately) is the cold knew when they reloaded they'd be mobbed and killed.

It wasn't murder you insurrectionist supporting POS.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-09 05:23 PM | Reply

Guess you missed all of the "mostly peaceful" protests where they burned and looted several major cities.

#14 | POSTED BY JUSTHANK

Why do you --------- insist on acting as if the BLM riots were the sacking of Rome?

If you have to lie, you've already lost.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-09 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Justhank is so upset looters and arsonists are destroying other peoples property he wants them shot

However he is also very upset a looter was shot when they were destroying HIS property

Go figure

Must suck living with such confliction and it explains a lot about the thinking of the run of the mill trumpet. They Make Bad Decisions

#27 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-09 05:28 PM | Reply

One of the things that amazed me watching that New York Times video,
Every American should watch this.
Was the amazing, to me criminal, restraint of the Capital Police and the Metro cops. If that was a college campus or an inner city ghetto they would have opened fire on the crowd the minute they knocked down the fences. They failed spectacularly at their job.

#28 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-07-09 06:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Guess you missed all of the "mostly peaceful" protests where they burned and looted several major cities." - JUSTHANK

If by "they" you mean the pigs, then no, I didn't miss it.

Those were POLICE RIOTS. The rioters were the cops, not the protesters. They initiated the violence in every case, whether from the militarized cops attacking nonviolent protesters or their disguised plants in the crowd smashing windows and starting fires.

#DefundThePolice

#29 | Posted by DarkVader at 2021-07-09 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

TFD why did you have to post that video, it just made me angry. The democrats are doing nothing to prevent this from happening again. over 6 months have gone by and no massive investigation, no expedited justice, the lie is continuing to spread. These people were trying to overthrow our government, the leaders of this mob should be taken up against a wall and shot.

And for those who want to compare 1/6 to the BLM protests? GFY. Any rioting that was involved are criminal matters. This attack was a national security threat.

And the do nothing dems will allow this to happen again because they refuse to stamp the cockroaches out.

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-07-09 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What the cop did is standard procedure when you can't retreat from an angry mob and are low on ammo.

Shoot whichever thug is in the lead and make it clear you plan to shoot the next thug who gets as close as the now dead thug.

#31 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-09 07:20 PM | Reply

#29 | Posted by DarkVader "Those were POLICE RIOTS."

So do you also believe that the January 6th incursion of the Capitol was spurred on by the "leader" of the Oath Keepers, and that he is an undercover officer of the FBI? He hasn't been charged with a crime, not even a misdemeanor as the others who remain in custody.

I've read that he's a graduate of Yale Law school. Maybe Skull & Bones? Maybe all of this turmoil (in 2020-21) has been orchestrated by the bureaucrats of the intel and law enforcement agencies. They were doing that in the 60s before they adopted the War on Drugs which allowed them to arrest anyone on a possession charge whether you were holding or not.

I think you may have hit on something. Maybe we should be looking at who isn't under arrest and sitting in jail. Of course I mean YOU since you seem to have a leg up on this conspiracy. Looking forward to your future exposures.

#32 | Posted by JustHank at 2021-07-09 08:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Ashli Babbitt should have never been shot. She was murdered by a black cop.

#8 | POSTED BY JUSTHANK

Wow you are delusional.

Ashli Babble was a POS who deserved to die.

Lets have lots more of this :)

Lots more. Until you Qtards get the hint.

#33 | Posted by billy_boy at 2021-07-09 08:22 PM | Reply

Shoot whichever thug is in the lead and make it clear you plan to shoot the next thug who gets as close as the now dead thug.

#31 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2021-07-09 07:20 PM | REPLY

It was a classic case of unmobbing the mob. The mob is subject to groupthink, individuals stop thinking about themselves because they get swept up in the moment and think their actions are consequence free. As soon as you kill one of them you snap them back to reality and demonstrate that what they're doing is dangerous and could get them killed too. You'll noticed that nobody else tried to get through that broken window after Babbitt lawfully had her birth certificate rescinded, lesson learned, and it only took one bullet to teach it. It's similar to arrest teams going into crowds at riots/violent demonstrations to snatch up the leaders or the bad actors who are creating problems, it tends to calm the crowd as they see their actions have consequences.

#34 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-07-09 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh, and JustHank is a hateful, racist POS, Killfile for you!

#35 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-07-09 08:25 PM | Reply

www.nytimes.com

At the same time, however, at least three Oath Keepers have pleaded guilty in the case and have agreed to cooperate with the government's sprawling investigation of the group. At a recent hearing, prosecutors told Judge Mehta that they were in plea negotiations with several other members and could not rule out further charges.

It looks like at least one of the traitorous organizations is eating itself, which is a good thing. Unfortunately we wont go the appropriate distance and throw them in jail for life or give them the long climb and short drop they deserve

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-07-09 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No mercy for Ashli Dummy or any of her stupid, anti-democratic defenders. Don't give an inch. Traitors all. May they burn in hell.

#37 | Posted by cbob at 2021-07-09 09:06 PM | Reply

"No mercy for Ashli Dummy or any of her stupid, anti-democratic defenders. Don't give an inch. Traitors all. May they burn in hell."

Yeah. But the violent felon George Floyd is a folk hero.

Ashli Babbitt played stupid games and won stupid prizes? I have no sympathy.

But so did George Floyd. Even more so than Babbitt.

Say his name?

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 09:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Wow.

That's an insane comparison. That's seriously F**ked up, MB. Seriously.

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 09:42 PM | Reply

"Babbitt may have been misguided but she wasn't a drug addicted felon trying to pass counterfeit bills."

Nope.

But she did ask for a bullet in the head.

But so did George Floyd.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 09:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That's seriously F**ked up, MB.

He's trolling. At least three threads.

#41 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-09 09:43 PM | Reply

That's pathetic on his part, Redial.

Three threads at least. Geez.

Thanks.

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 09:44 PM | Reply

"That's an insane comparison. That's seriously F**ked up, MB. Seriously."

Not even remotely insane.

GF was given ample, AMPLE opportunity to comply with police. He refused.

As far as I know, AB was never explicitly given that same opportunity.

I think your politics override your objectivity.

And if Chauvin had killed AB, you'd be cheering him on right now.

#43 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 09:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#38 | Posted by madbomber

Clearly, you have no clue as to how fuggin stupid you appear to everyone here.

#44 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-07-09 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think your politics override your objectivity.

Your bias, as always, steamrolls over any fake objectivity you pretend to have.

You appear "fuggin stupid" to "everyone here" because your hyperbole and exaggeration about Flloyd, someone we've all learned about, had his history shared, and lived through the right-wing smear campaign so we had to fact check everything, is so overblown and ridiculous.

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 09:51 PM | Reply

And if Chauvin had killed AB, you'd be cheering him on right now.

If, if, if, if, if.

If Spartacus had a Piper Cub.

#46 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 09:52 PM | Reply

"You appear "fuggin stupid" to "everyone here" because your hyperbole and exaggeration about Flloyd, someone we've all learned about, had his history shared, and lived through the right-wing smear campaign so we had to fact check everything, is so overblown and ridiculous."

Have you seen the video?

Was Floyd not given ample opportunity to comply with LE?

Was Babbitt given the same opportunity?

Objectively, let's compare the two.

Let's start with this. Which of the two resisted arrest?

#47 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 09:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The best part about now ashes Ashli is she was a vet.

Every dead vet saves tax dollars, and that is a good thing.

#48 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-09 09:57 PM | Reply

"If, if, if, if, if. If Spartacus had a Piper Cub."

I haven't seen you do it, so I won't accuse you. But go back through the thread and you'll see a number of posters claiming that more people than Babbitt should have been shot. Do you think they would say the same thing about riotous protester in somewhere like Portland?

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 09:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

...AB was never explicitly given that same opportunity.
#43 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I'm pretty sure the police behind the fences she trampled over probably told her to stop doing that.
Dope.

#50 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-07-09 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#47 - I'm not playing your game, nor reliving that entire event, all so you can try and prove some insane false equivalence. Your trolling with me is over, MB. Insult someone else's intelligence.

Babbitt played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.
The gene pool is better for it.

#51 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 10:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I believe in the right defend my property

AB was clearly a threat to the sanctity of my property The American peoples property. Your property

Maddumper is a delusional person, so delusional that he and his kind obsess over damages done to others property, except when it's apparently the Americans people property being destroyed. How ------- stupid can these people be?
No wonder he has someone to tell him when to get out of bed

#52 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-09 10:03 PM | Reply

Do you think they would say the same thing about riotous protester in somewhere like Portland?

And another ridiculous false equivalence. Yay.

This is how everyone knows you have no actual ground to stand on. When you base your argument in logical fallacies.

#53 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ashli was at the head of a terrorist mob that attacked the US gov and broke into an area defended by the secret service.

Justified kill.

The cop should have live streamed to her family while banging her corpse and locking eyes with the other terrorists.

#54 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-09 10:04 PM | Reply

"The best part about now ashes Ashli is she was a vet."

She was a moron who betrayed her oath...even if she was no longer bound by it.

Same with the Oathkeepers, who seem to be less concerned with the oath they took than they were with installing a fat, socialite, reality TV star as the United State's version of Fuhrer.

That changes nothing about the fact that many people on this site have zero issue with killing an unarmed woman who was little if any threat, while demonstrating outrage when a violent repeat offender dies at the hands of police while under the influence of some good drugs.

Oh, and that's not a pass for Chauvin. The police had an inherent responsibility to focus on Floyds health once he went unconscious. They did not, and should be held responsible for their dereliction.

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The cop should have live streamed to her family while banging her corpse and locking eyes with the other terrorists.

#54 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2021-07-09 10:04 PM | REPLY

Savage LOL

#56 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-09 10:05 PM | Reply

"I'm pretty sure the police behind the fences she trampled over probably told her to stop doing that."

Is it in a video?

If so. I would agree.

But George Floyd is also on video disregarding orders from Law Enforcement.

Was he under less of an obligation to comply?

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"AB was clearly a threat to the sanctity of my property The American peoples property. Your property"

Yeah.

And left wing rioters were threatening the sanctity of your property in Portland Oregon for hundreds of days in 2020.

How many of them should the cops have shot?

I'm guessing you'd say the number would be >0?

#58 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You have quite the narrative going there, MB.

Based on #55, why are you bringing up Floyd, then?
What's the goal?
I'm pretty sure that's all clear to many of us.
Transparently so.
What are you telling yourself you're doing it for?

#59 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 10:08 PM | Reply

"And another ridiculous false equivalence. Yay."

Can your provide an explanation on why it's a false equivalence? Or is this just your own subjectivity?

Do you even know that that means?

#60 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Do I know what it means?

Seriously?

Do you know why condescension doesn't work when you attempt it?

#61 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 10:10 PM | Reply

#49 Protesting is protected by the constitution.
Breaking into gov buildings while threatening the lives of those inside at the head of an armed terrorist mob, isn't.

#62 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-09 10:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"When you base your argument in logical fallacies."

Logical fallacies?

Is like based on subjective reasoning?

It would appear so.

#63 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:12 PM | Reply

"Breaking into gov buildings while threatening the lives of those inside at the head of an armed terrorist mob, isn't."

Got it.

How many protesters in Portland should have been shot during the 100 or so nights they were attacking the Federal Courthouse?

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:13 PM | Reply

Did they break in, no. No crime, lawful protest.

#65 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-09 10:14 PM | Reply

Attempting to violently disrupt and overturn the Election and the Constitutionally required functions of the transition of power of our Federal Government is apparently the same thing as what happened in Portland to MB.

#66 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 10:15 PM | Reply

Is like based on subjective reasoning?
It would appear so.

#67 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 10:16 PM | Reply

Preceded by:
"Do you even know that that means?"

LMAO

#68 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 10:17 PM | Reply

Portland was a perfect protest.
It was beautiful, all patriots.

#69 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-09 10:17 PM | Reply

Attempting to violently disrupt and overturn the Election and the Constitutionally required functions of the transition of power of our Federal Government is apparently the same thing as what happened in Portland to MB.

#66 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2021-07-09 10:15 PM | REPLY

Actually, he just sounds sad that no protestors were shot to death.

You know, besides the ones that were.

#70 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-09 10:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#70 - that's a brilliant reduction of his lament, Alexandrite.

#71 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Did they break in, no. No crime, lawful protest."

Yes. They did. And threw Molotov cocktails. And broke windows.

And When Trump sent DHS officers in to protect the facility, many of our leftist friends protested that this was inflammatory and would only inspire greater violence.

#72 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Attempting to violently disrupt and overturn the Election and the Constitutionally required functions of the transition of power of our Federal Government is apparently the same thing as what happened in Portland to MB."

The people in DC were idiots. There was nothing that they could have done to overturn the election. Nothing. Even if there had been some sort of electoral contention, there was no legal way DJT was going to be president after 20 Jan. Even if it was Biden, it would have been Pelosi. But there is no way it was going to be Trump.

Which means your argument is that the protesters in DC deserved to die because they were stupid.

The protesters in Portland were fighting against what they viewed as a racist, reactionary capitalist system that needs to fall. And like the DC protesters, they employ violence as a means to an end...they just do it for hundreds of nights, as opposed to one day.

#73 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#72

No they didn't, stop projecting....I wanted them to spray into the crowd like Kent State.

#74 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-09 10:33 PM | Reply

#73

Wrong...all it took was for them to kill a few congress critters or even Pence or Pelosi...then Fuhrer would have declared a state of emergency.

You don't know how close we were to chaos.

You wanted chaos so you lie.

#75 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-09 10:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You are just another "patriot" who has rescinded their oath.

#76 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-09 10:36 PM | Reply

"Attempting to violently disrupt and overturn the Election and the Constitutionally required functions of the transition of power of our Federal Government is apparently the same thing as what happened in Portland to MB."

It's exactly the same.

Acts perpetrated by idiots who don't understand civics and governemnt.

Yet some deserve to be shot and killed, while others...they get coddled? I don't know.

I think on the left the rioters in Portland are viewed as well meaning, maybe a little misguided. While the rioters in DC are deserving of little more than a bullet through the head.

Yet both share the same intent to destroy the constituion.

#77 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#77

Still going with that false equivalency?

It's FALSE

#78 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-09 10:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No they didn't, stop projecting....I wanted them to spray into the crowd like Kent State."

I hope you're kidding.

The rioters in Portland are ------- idiots. Definitely deserving of a boot to the head. But most are too stupid to even understand what they think they're fighting for. But the vast majority will grow up eventually. That's where I come from...I eventually grew out of it.

#79 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Wrong...all it took was for them to kill a few congress critters or even Pence or Pelosi...then Fuhrer would have declared a state of emergency."

Which would have done what?

Does the declaration of an emergency override the constitution?

Help me understand how an unelected Donald Trump would have ever been a president in constitutional terms after Jan 20?

#80 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:48 PM | Reply

"You are just another "patriot" who has rescinded their oath."

I am?

How is that?

I've had my oath memorized since I was a cadet. It's an oath you never took.

And you rescind orders, Einstein. Not oaths.

Trumpers are mostly idiots. Mostly. You don't seem much different.

#81 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:51 PM | Reply

"Still going with that false equivalency?"

Is it false because one group is reactionary bourgeoise and the other is the vanguard of the proletariat?

#82 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 10:52 PM | Reply

"Still going with that false equivalency?"

So...shoot the rioters in DC?

And do what with the rioters in Portland?

Anything?

It really seems like your basing your position on what should be done not on their actions, but on their beleifs.

Is that really the sort of society you would want to live in?

Would you be OK with a Trump administration being OK with shooting rioters in Portland, while dismissing 06 Jan rioters as being misguided but mostly harmless?

#83 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 11:02 PM | Reply

= Which would have done what?
Does the declaration of an emergency override the constitution?

No, dumbass. The Plan was to seize the ballot boxes, recount, and claim victory.

You really, really have trouble keeping up, what with all the time you spend spreading myths.

#84 | Posted by Corky at 2021-07-09 11:06 PM | Reply

It's exactly the same.
Your comparison at the most basic level fails and is dishonest:

I just watched more of the videos released today of the Capitol insurrection.
Even at the level of violence inflicted, the two events aren't even close:

"Attempting to violently disrupt and overturn the Election and the Constitutionally required functions of the transition of power of our Federal Government is apparently the same thing as what happened in Portland to MB."

140 Capitol Police officers injured, multiple deaths. All in just a few hours on one day. I understated what happened.

And you still haven't answered what your motivation is for trying to make all these events equivalent. But as I said, it's transparently obvious to most of us. I don't think you realize it, though.

#85 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 11:10 PM | Reply

"You really, really have trouble keeping up, what with all the time you spend spreading myths."

The myth is that the 06 Jan idiots could have done a single thing, up to and including stealing ballot boxes, that would have allowed DJT to remain president.

Honestly, 06 Jan was one of the best things that could have ever happened to the left. It provided fuel for conspiracy theories that would have otherwise not been possible.

A left-wing Qanon, if you will.

#86 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 11:11 PM | Reply

Another ridiculous attempt at a false equivalence. This is just awesome.

I'm out. This is just too stupid.

#87 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-09 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What kind of ----- is up at 4:30 am anonymously posting made up comparisons

That's like the definition of a negative life which comes after no life

#88 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-09 11:16 PM | Reply

"And you still haven't answered what your motivation is for trying to make all these events equivalent."

So let's explore that.

You're not new here, so you know that I utterly despise Trump. Everyone knows this about me. I've made that clear. It's no secret I voted for Biden because I hated Trump so much.

So then what? I'm reactionary bourgeoise? Absolutely.

And I've repeatedly stated that I have zero sympathy for Ashli Babbitt.

So what we might want to be doing...what might provide a clearer answer, is to explore why you think it's a good thing AB was shot, while at the same time believing that the rioters in Portland should not have. Or that Babbitt deserved to die for what she did while George Floyd did not.

And let's be clear, you can tell me that people with different beliefs than your own should be treated differently...that's OK...but unless you'd be OK with DJT having the same opinion then you're no better than any other tyrant. Outside the fact that you're too much of nobody to actually be a functioning tyrant.

#89 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 11:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I'm out. This is just too stupid."

This whole thing is confusing you, isn't it.

The conflict that comes when logic and personal beliefs come into conflict.

#90 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-09 11:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

GF was slowly asphyxiated well Ashli was flung across the room in an instance so quit comparing the two. The time line video of 1/6 was pretty compelling to me. Schematics of the multiple entry points and receding points of defense plus "the videos off their own phones".

Difference between Chavin and that cop

Oh look at me, see what I can do anytime I want.

And worst day of my life.

Is it so hard to fathom.

#91 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-07-09 11:40 PM | Reply

Old MadBomber
Old MadBomber
He don't say nuthin
It must mean sumthin

#92 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-07-09 11:55 PM | Reply

"GF was slowly asphyxiated well Ashli was flung across the room in an instance so quit comparing the two."

So were the police remiss by not having shot GF when he refused to comply with police orders?

#93 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 12:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm out. This is just too stupid.

#87 | POSTED BY YAV

Agreed, I thought the obvious would strike him like Zeus.

I was wrong. There's no overcoming the idiocy.

You suck MB, you are a pathetic former American.

I'm done with you.

#94 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-10 02:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe if you suck Bill Johnson's dick, you both might find a brief moment of honesty.

I know this is getting booted, but you know it's true.

#95 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-10 02:03 AM | Reply

What kind of ----- is up at 4:30 am anonymously posting made up comparisons

That's like the definition of a negative life which comes after no life

#88 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

A ruskie troll in St Petersburg, Russia @ daddy Vlad's troll farm perhaps?

#96 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-07-10 02:07 AM | Reply

#96 A guy whose nick, "aborted_monson", turned out to mean "killing white babies".

So you got RCade to change it for you right after I figured it out so nobody else would.

Factor analysis, b$tch - you're just another memebot.

#97 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-07-10 03:38 AM | Reply

Oh great. HRat's jumping in and acting like a real piece of ---- with more of his lies, just stating his -------- as fact.

---- off, Rat.

#98 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-10 08:25 AM | Reply

That "Ruski troll in St. Petersburg" and Daddy Vlad really stung HRat, A Monson!
Well done!

LMAO!

#99 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-10 08:26 AM | Reply

Posted by madbomber

Jesus wept.

The mind of the rightwing crackpot is an ugly thing.

#100 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-07-10 09:06 AM | Reply

So all I have to do is say "memebot" and it triggers YAV?

Sweet :)

#101 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-07-10 09:17 AM | Reply

Madbomber, your comparison with Floyd is totally disingenuous. Floyd was killed by suffocating him for 9 minutes AFTER he ceased to be a threat. AB was killed while still actively a deadly threat to law enforcement and the law makers they were sworn and hired to protect.

#102 | Posted by Abh at 2021-07-10 09:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So were the police remiss by not having shot GF when he refused to comply with police orders?

#93 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It's a shame. I used to think you were an honest person with different views. The kind of person that was good to have around here.

But you've sunk to the GOP's low of being all dishonest all the time.

#103 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#102 | Posted by Abh

Here is all the video. What are you talking about? And why is only one scene blurred, where that cop is kneeling on that guys shoulder? www.youtube.com

#104 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-07-10 10:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Tell me again CrankyShortFuse - who's house did George Floyd break into? What mob that killed cops was he a part of?
I've got all day, you stupid racist moronic ---.

#105 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-10 10:43 AM | Reply

"The myth is that the 06 Jan idiots could have done a single thing, up to and including stealing ballot boxes, that would have allowed DJT to remain president."

They couldn't have done anything to Stop The Steal?

So then what could they have done?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-10 10:51 AM | Reply

Silence is violence, Abh. Can you show me a non-blurred photo? There are two clear videos of that take-down scene, lasting about 30 secs or so, one from a badge camera. Both used in court.

See if you can't get the audio too.

#108 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-07-10 10:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Eberly.
MB is in Germany.
This post's time:
#88 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2021-07-09 11:16 PM | REPLY | FLAG
Is East Coast US time.
So the time it was posted was 5:16 AM in Germany and that post addressed posts that MB had been making.

#110 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-10 10:55 AM | Reply

#109 It was a dry run, proof of concept, and a barometer of the groundswell of support necessary for a fascist takeover.

About 15% of the GOP in Congress actively supported it, while the rest stood idly by and did nothing to stop it.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-10 10:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And it was also to create a culture of fear and violence.

Republicans are afraid to speak out against it.

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-10 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The January 6 thing will never make sense to me..."

LOL!!!

Another addition to an endless list.

#113 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-07-10 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#114 Beliefs is why we have things like the Oath of Office. But now you want to play like beliefs don't matter?

Beliefs led to the actions of Jan 6.

Connect the dots.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-10 11:04 AM | Reply

Just keep in mind, if the people attacking the Capital had indeed been members of BLM or ANTIFA, the the steps of the building would have been flowing in blood. And Trump would have declared martial law and would have refused to leave office.

OCU

#116 | Posted by OCUser at 2021-07-10 11:04 AM | Reply

"You suck MB, you are a pathetic former American. I'm done with you."

Yikes.

So can assume that if someone you support ever comes to power I can expect to spend some time in a re-education camp?

I think this is one of those uncomfortable discussions we hear so much about these days.

#118 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 11:08 AM | Reply

"Madbomber, your comparison with Floyd is totally disingenuous. Floyd was killed by suffocating him for 9 minutes AFTER he ceased to be a threat."

Yup. And like I said, the police should and do have to answer for a suspect for whom they failed to render the proper aid.

"AB was killed while still actively a deadly threat to law enforcement and the law makers they were sworn and hired to protect."

Was she?

Was she armed?

Did she have a history of criminal violence?

Did she resist or ignore police orders?

George Floyd certainly did. Should the cops have shot him first...ask questions later?

#121 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 11:12 AM | Reply

"The political beliefs of the protesters matter more than the actions."

You're calling Ashlii Babbitt a protester.

Perhaps a martyr.

Hmmm.

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-10 11:12 AM | Reply

The January 6 thing will never make sense to me regarding what their goal really was.

Trump and the insurrectionists have stated their 1/6 goals over and over again. How have you missed this?

First, they wanted to STOP THE COUNT, ie, stop both houses from completing their constitutionally prescribed duty in certifying the Electoral College vote tally. THEY DID THIS! Not only was the vote stopped, albeit temporarily, the mob came close to capturing the actual ballots. Many mob members were caught on tape openly searching for them, knowing that if the EC ballots were compromised the government had no immediate back up plan. Certification would have been stopped cold without the ballots. Put that down as Goal 1.

Some others in the mob were looking to capture, possibly assault, and definitely execute specific members of Congress and the VP of the US - which again would have thrown the entire process into a chaos the Constitution does not address. At any rate, any such detentions/removals would have again thrown Congress into crisis and halted the ballot counting process dead in its tracks. This is Goal 2.

Had either of these goals been fully realized, at that point, President Trump would have invoked the Insurrection Act, assuming the power to declare Marshall Law and officially shutting down the congressional ballot counting process, breaking the Constitution's specific rules for the entire process to be completed on a stated day and time. He would have made the public charge that due to what the mob had done - and all the election fraud committed by the
Democrats - the only way to choose the next President would be for Congress to vote - which is an option listed in the Constitution but only if the Electoral College is deadlocked, not because the losing candidate massed an army of violent citizens mixed in with protesters to stop the legal process dead in its tracks. And at that point, since Republicans control more states than Democrats, it was assumed that Trump would have won this election and then claimed legitimacy as the next President. Of course, all of this would have ended up in court, but Trump still would have occupied the Oval Office and there would have been nothing the Democrats or anyone else could have done about it.

The ultimate goal was to use of the mob to stop the constitutional process and then force Congress to overturn the will of the voters and keep Trump in the White House even though he was duly defeated in the Electoral College.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2021-07-02 08:54 AM

#123 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-07-10 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

104. What do you mean "what an I talking about?" George Floyd has fully submitted, was proned out in handcuffs and not moving a single miracle. For 9 minutes he had completely submitted and wasn't resisting. And yet, the cops full weight was across his neck, closing off his airway and preventing his chest from fully inflating. Which, you know ... KILLED him. He was no longer resisting arrest, and was no longer a deadly threat to ANYONE, and hadn't been for 9 minutes.

Ashli on the other hand, was a deadly threat in the act of committing deadly violence. Period.

There is no comparison.

#124 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 11:16 AM | Reply

#124 | Posted by ABH

So you never even looked at the videos used in court? Heard the audio? Just went with MSM? Okay, stay in the matrix. Bye!

#126 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2021-07-10 11:20 AM | Reply

121 the justification for deadly force does NOT ... . Let me say that again ... does NOT.. require the threat to be armed!

It requires that a reasonable officer believe his life, or the life of innocents is in jeopardy of imminent death OR great bodily injury. She was there at the head of an angry mob that posed an imminent threat of death or great bodily injury to the agent in question and the people he was being paid to protect who were trying to evacuate not 50 feet behind him. He was covering their retreat. An officer outnumbered HUNDREDS to one doesn't need to see a weapon to know that he is in danger of being overwhelmed and killed by the group.

Period.

Stop using lame excuses that have no bearing on the case.

#127 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 11:21 AM | Reply

126 yes. In fact I have seen every piece of evidence used in court. Have you? Inviting the testimony of all of his supervisors that testified that the officer was well outside of policy and the law for failing to provide medical aid to a submitted suspect.

Spin whatever you like, but you are WRONG.

#129 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 11:22 AM | Reply

Was she?
Yes. You're a disingenuous fool if you assert otherwise.

#130 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 11:23 AM | Reply

Do you all forget recently we had a faction of people here attacking the police for shooting a suspect with a knife very close to their assailant? Literally a second away from plunging it into their victim?

#128 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Unfortunately consistency isn't a characteristic of most on both sides.

#131 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 11:25 AM | Reply

Was she?

Yes. Her very presence behind a police line meant she was in violation of the law. Being a protester does not immunize one from the law.

Did she have a history of criminal violence?

She was actively destroying government property right in the face of the officer, and she failed repeated orders from the police to cease and desist. She had no legal right to enter that area and again was violating the law by simply being there at that time.

Did she resist or ignore police orders?

Answered above.

The only way AB arrived at that location was to circumvent police officers who were tasked with holding and maintaining a legal barrier that protesters were not legally allowed to cross. They and she did, hence any and all actions after that breach were conducted in violation of federal law. The Capitol was closed to visitors that day, which is perfectly legal. The mob had no right to enter the building regardless of their political grievances and certainly not by actively fighting and ignoring the pleas of law enforcement officers, and then destroying or desecrating public property after the fact.

#132 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-07-10 11:25 AM | Reply

Okay, stay in the matrix. Bye!

#126 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

It's really sad to see someone this desperate to be special.

#133 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And what about the protesters in Portland who attacked the Federal Courthouse night after night?

How many of them should have been shot?

#134 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 11:29 AM | Reply

#132 don't waste your breath.

Mad isn't interested in reality, just bad comparisons for political purposes.

Hell, 1/6 is no longer even seen for what it was-an attack on the US and it's Constitution.

Yet we have a significant faction of "patriots" hmmming and haaawing over why it was anything but that.

#135 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 11:30 AM | Reply

Why are you defecting to that? It's immaterial. We are discussing Ashli Babbitt. It's possible to discuss that without trying to obfuscate the issue by bringing up meaningless crap.

#136 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 11:31 AM | Reply

"But you've sunk to the GOP's low of being all dishonest all the time."

Dishonest?

Because of my objectivity?

Because I don't think that personal beliefs or intent should shape the actions of law enforcement?

#137 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 11:32 AM | Reply

#134 I guess I can chalk you up as a closet insurrectionist.

Just come out and say it, mad. You've ---- all over your oath enough by deflecting and justifying already. Just drop the curtain.

#138 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 11:32 AM | Reply

What these people did was the equivalent of making it rain and delaying game six of the World Series. Only to have that game resumed the next day.

The game would not have resumed had the ballots been taken. There are no provisions for such a thing. Each state would have had to start over again and recertify their electors, and the constitutional mandate would not have been followed, opening everything to court interpretation.

There would not have been any game the next day but for in courtrooms.

Same if congressmembers had been killed or detained. And then Trump would have instituted the Insurrection Act and taken over control. These plans were leaked by those inside his circle.

#139 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-07-10 11:33 AM | Reply

#137 you're not arguing any of that.

There is zero evidence the officer in the Capitol acted on personal belief. Meanwhile, there was ample video evidence of her violently storming our Capitol building with the intention of disrupting a legal and legit election.

And you're defending that.

#140 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 11:33 AM | Reply

Eb Tony's article just laid their plan out
Stop the count destroy the ballots
Force the president to be chosen by the HoR

#141 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-07-10 11:35 AM | Reply

You aren't being objective. You may THINK you are, but you obviously have a child's understanding of police procedure, deadly force policy, and threat management.

The three cases you are trying to discuss simultaneously as of they are one event are independent of each other and the facts should be reviewed not together but separately.

Ashli Babbitt shooting was absolutely and unquestioningly justified.

George Floyd was murdered by the Police.

The mobs in Portland were dealt with using appropriate violence.

The end.

#142 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 11:36 AM | Reply

"Tony, do you understand the difference between stopping some thing and delaying some thing?
What these people did was the equivalent of making it rain and delaying game six of the World Series. Only to have that game resumed the next day.
What else did they think they would accomplish?
#125 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2021-07-10 11:17 AM"

Even a cursory review of the statements by those arrested and especially the sources these folks claim to use for guidance, would indicate they (in their 'bubble') thought they would be successful. Regardless of how misguided or ludicrous were the possibilities that they would be successful, that does not minimize their actions. Like the old ant song says: "They had high hopes".

Consider the American Revolution. Given how likely their chance for success were, I wonder how the British would have treated the colonists if they had thoroughly crushed Washington's army. "Good show old chaps. No harm; no foul. Here, have some tea.".
Yeah right...

#143 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2021-07-10 11:37 AM | Reply

#143 the defenses and justifications are beyond absurd.

I guess I can rob a bank without a weapon and give all the proceeds to charity and I won't be charged with a crime at all!

#144 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

MB. I want you to grab a gun and holster up. Your mission is to defend fleeing law makers 50 feet behind you. You have 25 rounds and a pocket knife. For hours over your radio while you are trying to figure out if you should shelter in place or retreat, I want you to listen to your co workers, your best friends scream and cry over the radio about needing back up, calling for medical assistance because they have been drug into a crowd and beaten, heart calls that guns have been seen and removed from protestors outside the building where you are hiding with your protectees, hear the call that one of your brethren may have just died from his injuries.

suddenly, just when they call finally comes that your protectees are evacuating, and you are the only person in a barricaded hallway, you see s crowd of several hundred reach the glass doorway you are defending. There is a guy there in full body armor and a helmet and woman with a back pack containing unknown items in it. You begging telling them to stop, don't come any closer. The woman with the back pack grabs a deadly weapon ... . The wooden leg of a chair she has smashed for this very purpose, she smashes the glass out. You tell again to stop. She starts climbing through with the angry mob cheering loudly for her. You see your protectees behind you ...

What do you do?

Just say "stop! Or I'll say stop again, only louder!"

#145 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 11:43 AM | Reply

"What do you mean "what an I talking about?" George Floyd has fully submitted, was proned out in handcuffs and not moving a single miracle."

Yep. Despite his violent history and the fact that he had resisted arrest, the cops didn't shoot him.

"Ashli on the other hand, was a deadly threat in the act of committing deadly violence. Period."

Really?

Babbitt was doing something that was a threat to life, limb, or eyesight of another human?

#146 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 11:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

146. Yes. As I have pointed out to you as nauseum. Her actions aren't the only pertinent actions. She has an angry mob behind her that presented a deadly threat of overwhelming force.

#147 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 11:45 AM | Reply

121 the justification for deadly force does NOT ... . Let me say that again ... does NOT.. require the threat to be armed! It requires that a reasonable officer believe his life, or the life of innocents is in jeopardy of imminent death OR great bodily injury.

Using that logic, police should have opened fire in Portland night after night after night.

Would that have been OK with you?

#148 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 11:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Babbitt was doing something that was a threat to life, limb, or eyesight of another human?

#146 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER A

Yes she was

#149 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-07-10 11:46 AM | Reply

"Yes. Her very presence behind a police line meant she was in violation of the law. Being a protester does not immunize one from the law."

Is that true in Portland as well?

#150 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 11:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

146

You've gone beyond disingenuous to pathetic.

Apparently "objective" in your world is looking for any reason to justify your partisan position.

Yeah yeah, play the "I know you are but what am I" card as if it's not transparently desperate

#151 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 11:52 AM | Reply

"Mad isn't interested in reality, just bad comparisons for political purposes."

I think you know that's not true.

Go back to the top of this thread and look at the support, the gratification at AB having been killed.

Those same people would have been losing their minds had DHS officers killed left-wing rioters attacking the federal courthouse in Portland. In fact last summer of them were claiming how the existence of police only made the protesters more violent, and should not have been in Portland in the first place.

You're one of the more reasonable idiots...but if we're being honest, your problem with me is consistency. I don't regard right-wing protesters as being any better or worse than left-wing protesters. Many on the left, possibly including you, believe that the beliefs of the rioters matter, and those beliefs should shape how Law Enforcement responds to them.

#152 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 11:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Would that have been OK with you?

#148 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

A comparable question is would they have opened fire if protestors (rioters actually, stop conflating the two) had breached the building in the proximity of officials/judges that were being evacuated.

My guess is yes, and it would have been similarly justified.

#153 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 11:54 AM | Reply

"Just come out and say it, mad. You've ---- all over your oath enough by deflecting and justifying already. Just drop the curtain."

---- all over my oath?

Would I be -------- all over my oath if I were saying the same thing about police shooting an unarmed rioter breaking into the Portland Courthouse?

#154 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 11:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

You're one of the more reasonable idiots...but if we're being honest, your problem with me is consistency. I don't regard right-wing protesters as being any better or worse than left-wing protesters. Many on the left, possibly including you, believe that the beliefs of the rioters matter, and those beliefs should shape how Law Enforcement responds to them.

#152 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Except you're straining to be "consistent."

Which is why you're taking so much flak.

Stop painting footballs orange and claiming you're comparing oranges to oranges and you'll actually be consistent instead of "consistent."

#155 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 11:57 AM | Reply

154

Pushing your false comparison to further deflect from the insurrection being what it was is -------- on your oath again.

#156 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 11:58 AM | Reply

"Why are you defecting to that? It's immaterial. We are discussing Ashli Babbitt. It's possible to discuss that without trying to obfuscate the issue by bringing up meaningless crap."

No.

You're focusing on AB. I'm focusing on how LE responds to rioters. You would appear to be suggesting that the level of force applied against AB was appropriate, but that some level of force would have been inappropriate with regards to equally violent protester with different personal beliefs.

#157 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 11:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Except you're straining to be "consistent."

How so.

If a DHS officer shoots a rioters breaking into or damaging the Federal Courthouse in Portland, would you be supportive of these actions?

I don't think I would be.

#158 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 12:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Pushing your false comparison to further deflect from the insurrection being what it was is -------- on your oath again."

False how?

Violent rioters attacked officers and federal property in DC and Portland. Seems like a very adequate comparison.

#159 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 12:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And I I'm guessing your biggest problem with me is that I lack the ideological purity you think should be required in a military officer.

#160 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 12:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Many on the left, possibly including you, believe that the beliefs of the rioters matter, and those beliefs should shape how Law Enforcement responds to them.

#152 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

The intentions absolutely matter.

And you're the one inserting this into police interactions with them.

The Capitol police officer knew only what was in front of him and what he could glean from radio traffic. He knew rioters have violently attained access to the Capitol, had injured multiple officers and were now breaking into a barricaded section of the Capitol with officials in it. It was his job to use deadly force to maintain the security of the area to protect those he was charged to protect.

#161 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If a DHS officer shoots a rioters breaking into or damaging the Federal Courthouse in Portland, would you be supportive of these actions?

I don't think I would be.

#158 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

She wasn't shot for property damage.

Like I said, straining things to make them "consistent."

#162 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 12:05 PM | Reply

"If a DHS officer shoots a rioters breaking into or damaging the Federal Courthouse in Portland, would you be supportive of these actions?"

Are the folks the rioters are yelling to kill, inside the building? Are their compatriots currently involved in hand-to-hand combat with officers they're overwhelming?

You're going to need a lot more orange paint for those footballs.

#163 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-10 12:06 PM | Reply

And I I'm guessing your biggest problem with me is that I lack the ideological purity you think should be required in a military officer.

#160 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You're flailing now.

The only expectations I have for a military officer is they don't deflect for and defend insurrectionists.

#164 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Capitol police officer knew only what was in front of him and what he could glean from radio traffic. He knew rioters have violently attained access to the Capitol, had injured multiple officers and were now breaking into a barricaded section of the Capitol with officials in it. It was his job to use deadly force to maintain the security of the area to protect those he was charged to protect."

Unrecognized Newsworthy flag.

#165 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-10 12:07 PM | Reply

"What else did they think they would accomplish?"

There is no "else."
They thought they would Stop The Steal.
Which they did, for a few hours.

They would have liked to stop it permanently, but fate was not with them. Not that time.

#166 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-10 12:07 PM | Reply

Violent rioters attacked officers and federal property in DC and Portland. Seems like a very adequate comparison.

#159 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I've already described a comparable situation and stated it would be equally justified.

You keep acting as if property damage was the genesis of the i officer's reaction.

#167 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 12:11 PM | Reply

"Was she armed?"

Officers are trained to assume yes.

"Did she have a history of criminal violence?"

She'd already broken through at least two thresholds designed to stop her.

"Did she resist or ignore police orders?"

To retreat or desist?!? Absolutely.

So...are you going to change your stance, or are you going to pretend these answers don't count?

#168 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-10 12:11 PM | Reply

Apparently actual consistency was too much for mad to handle

#169 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 12:22 PM | Reply

157. Because the facts aren't even remotely similar.

#170 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 01:21 PM | Reply

Violent rioters attacked officers and federal property in DC and Portland. Seems like a very adequate comparison.

#159 | Posted by madbomber

You're going to pathetically searching for adequate comparisons for the rest of your life in order to make it seem like the other side would do what only your side would do.

Every time you find a liberal with an expired parking meter you're going to claim it's just like 1/6.

#171 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-10 01:26 PM | Reply

"The only expectations I have for a military officer is they don't deflect for and defend insurrectionists."

Defend them?

You mean by not calling for or supporting summary execution, as many here have?

That's the only thing I can assume you're interpreting as defense.

#172 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 02:05 PM | Reply

"So...are you going to change your stance, or are you going to pretend these answers don't count?"

My stance?

My stance is and always has been that AB put herself in a predicament where police were absolutely justified in shooting her. You may recall my "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" comment.

Where we differ is in the belief that AB's beliefs justify the police response, and if this had been left-wing rioters engaged in the same behavior and the clops had shot, you'd be referring to them as pigs, and possibly questioning why they had been there in the first place.

We know this because it happened in Portland all last summer.

#173 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 02:10 PM | Reply

Your posts, along with most righties here, are implicit defense of them.

You're suddenly worried about use of force because somebody storming the Capitol got shot forcing her way into the SotH office complex during an active insurrection.

And you've gone waaaaaaaay out of your way to minimize her actions in an attempt to make her actions less severe than they were.

Yeah. You're defending and, as I've said, deflecting for insurrectionists.

#174 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 02:11 PM | Reply

"Because the facts aren't even remotely similar."

The difference was that one was a group of left-wing rioters, and the other was a group of right-wing rioters. Both were intent on using violence as a political tool. Which technically makes them terrorists.

#175 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 02:12 PM | Reply

We know this because it happened in Portland all last summer.

#173 | Posted by madbomber

Really? Give us a link to the proof that last summer, liberal leaders who lost an election peddled lies to gullible liberal voters about the election being stolen, and provoked dumb liberals into attempting to overthrow democracy.

We'll wait.

Unless you're still hoping we're all stupid enough to think disorganized criminals looting a walmart is the same thing as organized paramilitary members carrying out the terrorist agenda of the head of their party to end democracy and install fascism.

#176 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-10 02:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Your posts, along with most righties here, are implicit defense of them."

Absolutely not. Not even remotely. Not even a little teeny tiny bit.

You're the one who is grasping.

#177 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 02:20 PM | Reply

And if I did support what happened on 01/06, then I absolutely would hold beliefs that conflicted with the oath that I took.

#178 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 02:21 PM | Reply

"You're suddenly worried about use of force because somebody storming the Capitol got shot forcing her way into the SotH office complex during an active insurrection."

Not at all. But I do think that had the standards on the use of deadly force to counter violent rioters had been evenly applied, there would have been a ton of dead people in Portland.

But I don't think that's the best answer. I do believe that, had the cops shot a few rioters in Portland, there would have been far less people willing to riot. But when police do shoot and kill, it deprives society if being able to hold them accountable for their crimes. Regardless of personal beliefs.

#179 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 02:25 PM | Reply

Amazingly ... . Laughably ... . False.

Rioters ... . And yes they were rioters ... . Threw bottles and rocks at the police. And were met with fully armed and battle ready police in solid lines with shields, helmets, and pepper spray cannons.

At no time did they start beating a few lone officers with sticks ... . And the ultimate irony ... . Thin blue line flags ... .

There were armed skirmishes between two combatants. The police evacuated and ceded ground where they felt they had a tactical advantage to do so, and to avoid excessive antagonizing causing more violence. When the police had the upper hand they cleared the areas block by block. When they didn't they retreated. They had the luxury of time and equipment.

The Capitol was an all out and furious assault where this officer had to Discharge his weapon because there was NO ability for him to retreat to safety. The police were woefully unprepared for what happened, and were left with no choices.

Like I said, not similar in any way.

#180 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 02:25 PM | Reply

Your posts, along with most righties here, are implicit defense of them.

Of course they defend the actions of 1/6.

Until they're called out on it.

Then, it was simply devil's advocate.

#181 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-10 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Really? Give us a link to the proof that last summer, liberal leaders who lost an election peddled lies to gullible liberal voters about the election being stolen, and provoked dumb liberals into attempting to overthrow democracy."

How about instead I give you a link to violent rioters attacking federal property and police. Since that's what we're discussing.

But you don't really need me to do that, do you?

#182 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 02:26 PM | Reply

To call this "ideology" driven is laughable on our face. Laughable in a tragic and sad way.

#183 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 02:28 PM | Reply

not similar in any way.
#180 | POSTED BY ABH

Of course they're not.

But that won't stop liars.

Trump has proven there's no such thing as a lie. If you can convince others it's the truth.

His sycophants, and MythBoofer is one of the biggest Trump supporters on the DR, are eager and giddy to comply.

#184 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-10 02:29 PM | Reply

"Rioters ... . And yes they were rioters ... . Threw bottles and rocks at the police. And were met with fully armed and battle ready police in solid lines with shields, helmets, and pepper spray cannons."

But the cops, in your opinion, would have been justified in using deadly force.

#185 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 02:29 PM | Reply

"His sycophants, and MythBoofer is one of the biggest Trump supporters on the DR, are eager and giddy to comply."

Me?

A Trump supporter?

'You're adorable.

#186 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 02:30 PM | Reply

"To call this "ideology" driven is laughable on our face. Laughable in a tragic and sad way."

Of course it is. Go back and look at some of the statements.

#187 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 02:31 PM | Reply

185. No. Because they were not an imminent threat of death or great bodily injury to anyone.

It's called "totality of the circumstances." In one case hundreds of cops are outnumbered MAYBE 2 or 3 to 1 but amply covered with riot gear to keep them safe

The other they were outnumbered hundreds to 1. HUNDREDS to 1 without appropriate equipment to protect themselves

You can try to pretend those two Situations are similar. You will sound like an idiot, but you can.

#188 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 02:45 PM | Reply

Where we differ is in the belief that AB's beliefs justify the police response,

Her actions are what justify her being shot.

The only relevance of her beliefs are in that they drove her actions that day.

Nobody is saying people deserve to be shot for their beliefs, just the actions those beliefs lead them to commit.

#189 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 02:47 PM | Reply

Not at all. But I do think that had the standards on the use of deadly force to counter violent rioters had been evenly applied, there would have been a ton of dead people in Portland.

That's because your delusions lead you to believe Ashli was shot over property damage.

And you ignore every other single variable that's relevant.

#190 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 02:48 PM | Reply

You're the one who is grasping.

#177 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Nope. When I watch someone spend more characters deflecting for Ashli and conflating two different episodes to play gotcha ganes that's the only conclusion I'm forced to reach.

#191 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 02:51 PM | Reply

"185. No. Because they were not an imminent threat of death or great bodily injury to anyone."

Really?

Starting fires? Throwing rocks and frozen water bottles.

This is your statement from earlier:

121 the justification for deadly force does NOT ... . Let me say that again ... does NOT.. require the threat to be armed! It requires that a reasonable officer believe his life, or the life of innocents is in jeopardy of imminent death OR great bodily injury.

And you don't think that the behavior of the rioters in Portland met these conditions, but Ashli Babbitt did?

#192 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 03:12 PM | Reply

"That's because your delusions lead you to believe Ashli was shot over property damage."

And climbing through a broken window that she was not supposed to be climbing through.

Or is there something I missed?

#193 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 03:14 PM | Reply

"And you ignore every other single variable that's relevant."

Such as?

#194 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 03:14 PM | Reply

"Nope. When I watch someone spend more characters deflecting for Ashli and conflating two different episodes to play gotcha ganes that's the only conclusion I'm forced to reach."

The fact that you would distinguish between two groups of terrorists based on their beliefs makes me glad that you never took an oath.

#195 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-10 03:16 PM | Reply

"if this had been left-wing rioters engaged in the same behavior and the clops had shot, you'd be referring to them as pigs, and possibly questioning why they had been there in the first place. "

Total straw man; totally false.

#196 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-10 03:16 PM | Reply

The fact that you would distinguish between two groups of terrorists based on their beliefs makes me glad that you never took an oath.

#195 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

If you have to lie you've already lost.

If I'd taken it at least I wouldn't be crapping all over it defending insurrection.

#197 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-10 03:20 PM | Reply

And if I did support what happened on 01/06, then I absolutely would hold beliefs that conflicted with the oath that I took.

#178 | Posted by madbomber

You ARE supporting it by acting like it was the same as the BLM protests. You're repeating the lies and propaganda of the 1/6 terrorists.

#198 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-10 03:26 PM | Reply

How about instead I give you a link to violent rioters attacking federal property and police. Since that's what we're discussing.

But you don't really need me to do that, do you?

#182 | Posted by madbomber

I'd love to see a link to those rioters being part of an organized domestic terrorist group, led by the leader of one of the major political parties, that planned on undoing a democratic election and installing a fascist leader instead.

If you can provide proof of that, THEN you will be right that both sides did the same thing. But you can't because they didn't.

#199 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-10 03:28 PM | Reply

"Such as?"

Members of Congress behind the officer.

#200 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-10 03:30 PM | Reply

The fact that you would distinguish between two groups of terrorists based on their beliefs makes me glad that you never took an oath.

#195 | Posted by madbomber

The fact that you can't distinguish between people rioting because the government has been openly oppressing them and assassinating them, versus people storming the capital and trying to end democracy because a con man and his news network lied to them, makes me sad that your stupid DNA got to reproduce on this planet.

#201 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-10 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Oath"

Do you mean like the pledge of allegiance? That oath?

I'm sure all those dumb crackers did that. Was that a betrayal?

#202 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-10 03:31 PM | Reply

192. Short answer? Yes. 100% yes.

#203 | Posted by ABH at 2021-07-10 03:32 PM | Reply

You're repeating the lies and propaganda of the 1/6 terrorists.

MythBoofer is a troll.

Pretty obvious.

I doubt he's an American citizen.

He's like J_TosseRigel, pretending.

#204 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-10 03:33 PM | Reply

It seems the circular (il)logic here is AB didn't deserve to be killed because BLM did.

#205 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-10 03:34 PM | Reply

circular (il)logic

That's what MythBoofer specializes in.

Rinse, repeat.

Everyday.

Read his posts enough. You realize he never has anything new to say.

Just the same bullshht.

Rinse, repeat.

#206 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-10 03:37 PM | Reply

#205 - that is not an example of circular logic. Circular logic is when the conclusion is included in the premise. E.G. "God exists because God said so".

#207 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-10 05:47 PM | Reply

Hey insurrectionists!! (Looking at you Jake and mythbummer.)

I can clearly see where you made your mistake in all your learned grocking.

You didn't GFY.

So please.

GFY.

#208 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-10 08:00 PM | Reply

#208 - "Hey insurrectionists!! (Looking at you Jake and mythbummer.)

Please explain why you attack that label to me. I hope you don't become the fifth person I have to put on my killfile lists for trolling and/or assigning positions to me without evidence. In fact, I have denounced them on several occasions in this forum since I joined it.

Are you another one of those idiots? Unless you can justify that comment, I assume you are.

#209 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-10 08:39 PM | Reply

I have criticized Jakester several times but I do believe that he is actually what he says he is and that is not a sympathizer for traitors. We do not always agree but we don't have to, but that does not make him a traitor.

#210 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-11 04:30 AM | Reply

"The fact that you would distinguish between two groups of terrorists based on their beliefs makes me glad that you never took an oath."

Protect and defend the Constitution of the United STates; what don't you understand about that? I honestly believe that any member or our armed forces that would even hint that they supported the insurrection should be court martialled. We simply cannot have disloyal people serving in our armed services. If you support insurrection then you are simply not a loyal member of our armed services. The fact that a person takes the oath and agrees to serve also eliminates their right to support an insurrection.

#211 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-11 04:36 AM | Reply

Jeez...what a cesspool.

Ol' sadbomber got what she wanted...

#212 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-07-11 09:02 AM | Reply

Oh wow. The commenters on this site aren't just wingnut bigots, they are hateful to the point of pure evil.

#213 | Posted by colliferite at 2021-07-11 12:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I mean I've come to this site for at least ten years just to peruse the headlines and get a feeling for what the nuts on the radical left think, but this thread really reveals how ugly and disgusting the readership on this site is. It's even worse than the typical hate-fest in most articles here.

I pity you sick, twisted people, and hope one day you might find healing and humanity again.

#214 | Posted by colliferite at 2021-07-11 12:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I hope you find enlightenment.

#215 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-11 12:16 PM | Reply

"I hope you don't become the fifth person I have to put on my killfile lists for trolling and/or assigning positions to me without evidence."

Oh you poor victim.

#216 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-11 12:31 PM | Reply

And I I'm guessing your biggest problem with me is that I lack the ideological purity you think should be required in a military officer.
#160 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.

But you don't seem to see how Ashlii Babbitt was attacking the Constitution.

Was she?

#217 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-11 12:33 PM | Reply

"I pity you sick, twisted people, and hope one day you might find healing and humanity again."

Thank you for your pity.

Do I get my humanity back by rioting to Stop The Steal?

#218 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-11 12:40 PM | Reply

I've come to this site for at least ten years just to peruse the headlines and get a feeling for what the nuts on the radical left think,

radical

adjective

very good; excellent; "cool"; "awesome".

onlineslangdictionary.com


Would have also accepted bodacious.

Cowabunga dude!

#219 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-11 12:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Totally!

#220 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-11 02:32 PM | Reply

Are you another one of those idiots? Unless you can justify that comment, I assume you are.

#209 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

Maybe. Are you? Or maybe I have confused you with someone else. If I have then I apologize. If Danni is coming to your rescue then you must have some socially redeeming value.

It's just that I have lost all patience with anyone supporting Trumpy or his insurrection in any way.

I assumed you were one of them by some of your comments. We do need to be careful of what we assume these days because we very close to the brink of chaos in this country. But go ahead a kill file me. If it makes you feel better.

#221 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-11 02:55 PM | Reply

The whole purpose of Trumpy's statement was to troll the Libs.

In my case it worked. As a former marine I am ready to shoot anyone who supports Trumpy's domestic terrorism. Sadly. It was drilled into me. Shoot first ask questions later!

So I am sorry Jake if I "shot" at you without asking questions first. It's in my nature. And I am working on it! (Haven't actually shot anyone yet!)

#222 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-11 03:21 PM | Reply

Ashli Babbitt needed to die. Her death saved lives. I think this statement really ends the debate.

#223 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-11 04:21 PM | Reply

Oh wow. The commenters on this site aren't just wingnut bigots, they are hateful to the point of pure evil.

#213 | Posted by colliferite

Your cult elected a dangerous criminal con man who corrupted the country, pushed us toward civil war, and killed a half million americans. Now you're whining that people are too mean to you?

You created this. Don't whine about the consequences of your choices.

#224 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-11 11:38 PM | Reply

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