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Thursday, July 15, 2021

"Who killed Ashli Babbitt?" [The MAGA crew] have a specific individual in mind, a Capitol police officer that they believe to be the culprit in the killing. He happens to be a black man. It's a detail that, once known, places the calls for the officer to be exposed and punished in a new light. The ensuing witch hunt takes on a racial tinge, casting Babbitt as a defenseless white woman killed by a black man.

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The conservative movement has been trying to use her death to recast the insurrection as a case of innocents being killed.

But the fringe right has molded that narrative to incorporate the explicit use of Babbitt's race. Racist influencers have also emphasized that Babbitt was killed by a black man, explicitly mixing her supposed martyrdom with the race of the person that shot her.

"With Sicknick's autopsy, it's now official: no people were killed by the nationalist demonstrators on January 6th," wrote far-right propagandist Erik Striker in April, on his Telegram channel. "The only homicide victim that day was Ashli Babbitt, murdered by a black criminal with a badge whose identity is still being kept a secret by the media and the government."

Western Chauvinist, a Telegram channel with nearly 50,000 subscribers, drew racist comparison's between Babbitt's death and that of George Floyd.

"Unlike St. Fentanyl Floyd, Ashli Babbitt will receive no justice from this sick anti-white system," read an April message on the channel. "But WE will always remember her sacrifice and she will never be forgotten."

In some cases, the racial dynamic is blatant. In others, the dog whistle operates at a less explicit frequency, via layers of obfuscation and deniability.

One thread throughout has been an effort to stoke resentment by drawing comparisons between the mass outrage at the death of George Floyd and what they perceive to be the comparative silence at Babbitt's killing. In that universe, she's an unsung martyr not only of the stolen 2020 election, but of the supposedly unfair treatment of whites.

"Where da white wimmen at?" - Black Capitol Officers looking for Snow Whites to bust caps in on Insurrection Day, according to the gospel of Dotard and the pea-brain white supremacists pushing the narrative.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-07-15 08:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

May she rot in hell.
She played a stupid game, and won a stupid prize.

#2 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-07-15 02:22 PM | Reply

I wish more of them had died. Ok, all of them.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-15 04:41 PM | Reply

It's pretty appalling that the insurrectionists pretend to give a crap about the race of the cop who shot the crazy lady at this point.

If they didn't want her getting shot they should have gotten in front of her and taking the bullet themselves.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-15 05:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They only care because he's black, according to the rumors.

#5 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-15 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This.

The contemporary American right has long been focused on stories of its victimization, assaults against it by various upstart forces in the American polity: gays, Blacks, Jews, liberals, city people. Victimization to grievance to retaliation.

But Donald Trump, raised from childhood on feelings of grievance, brought a unique talent and intensity to this form of politics. Indeed, Ashli Babbitt isn't the first "beautiful" white woman whose death becomes the centerpiece of President Trump's incitement. Trump called Babbitt "an innocent, wonderful, incredible woman." Remember Kate Steinle? She was the California woman killed by an undocumented immigrant, Garcia Zarate. Trump called her "that wonderful, that beautiful, woman in San Francisco." She became a centerpiece of his campaign against "sanctuary cities" and undocumented immigrants generally. To advance his retributive politics, Trump repeatedly, almost inevitably gravitates toward pretty white women - repeating that they were "beautiful" and "innocent" are staples - victimized by Black or brown men. Indeed, Trump's first gambit into public, quasi-political life in 1989 was taking out full page ads in all four major New York City papers demanding the death penalty for the Black teens who - it later turned out - were wrongly accused in the Central Park Jogger rape case.

Babbitt was responsible for her own death. These two other women were victims of horrific violence. Grief is a tremulous, unstable, volatile emotion which is always hungry for an outlet ... The entire Big Lie is Trump's stab in the back myth. Trump won. And his victory was stolen from him by Democrats, Blacks from the big cities, "illegals" who voted in droves, fraud. It was so beautiful, Trump's reelection victory. And then it was all stolen away.

The January 6th insurrection was the culmination of Trump's efforts to overthrow the government to remain in power. But now it also creates the emotive touch points for his stab in the back tale, the righteous victims " Babbitt and all the others arrested for their role in the attempted insurrection " that provide the emotive ballast, the vicarious grief and victimization to fuel his continuing attempts to incite terroristic violence and return to power.

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#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-07-15 05:38 PM | Reply

Being a fellow 'white person' I am absolutely
SICK of white people feeling sorry for themselves.
This isn't a RACE thing, this is a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
thing. If you suddenly wake up in the middle of life,
and haven't earned as much as you thought, haven't done as
much as you wanted, have a dead end job, for a boss that sucks,
and a company that couldn't give a flying feck, PROBABLY, just
PROBABLY, a bit of the responsibility lies on you...

Not some poor Latino or black person living in a ghetto, who is,
just trying to make a living themselves. Start with YOURSELF if
your life is fecked up. Eight times out of ten, you are the root
cause of most of your misfortune...

Talk about your SNOWFLAKES! geesh!

#7 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-07-16 06:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sieg Ashli!
~ Horst Wessell

#8 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-07-16 06:41 AM | Reply

So the officer hasn't been identified (which is unusual) and a few fringies are suggesting the officer is being treated differently because he is black. (Not likely, but a fair question). How does this translate to an entire article about "deeply racist" dimensions?

There is certainly people on both sides deliberately stoking racial tensions, but the media takes it to a whole new level by amplifying their voices and suggesting that their views are widely shared.

#9 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-16 09:23 AM | Reply

So the officer hasn't been identified (which is unusual)

9 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

He or she is a target for assasination.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-16 09:26 AM | Reply

but the media takes it (racism) to a whole new level by amplifying their voices and suggesting that their views are widely shared.

#9 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 AT 2021-07-16 09:23 AM

Racism is an animating force behind fascism, and Trumpism is fascism.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-16 09:27 AM | Reply

I would like to know who shot Ashli Babbitt. I believe he was justified, but the particular badge he wore makes a difference in that justification. The Capitol Police and Secret Service have different missions, different training and different rules of engagement. The bar is lower for the Vice President's protection detail

I worked many "presidential movements". This involved closing roadways and blocking exit ramps for the motorcade. We were explicitly authorized to use deadly force to stop anyone from accessing the route. There was always some lost tourist or pissed off commuter trying to drive around the barricades. Fortunately I was always able to stop them, but I always wondered if I would be able to pull the trigger if one got past me. I think I would have let them go, but what if it was an assassin dressed like a tourist?

#12 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-16 09:46 AM | Reply

The circumstances of Babbitt's death were such that an armed civilian would have seen the necessity for shooting her.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-16 09:50 AM | Reply

I support the Capital Plice in refusing to reveal the shooter's identity. That officer was doing his job while insurrectionists were hunting for the VP and Speaker of the house with their stated goal of killing them. We all know that revealing the police officer's identity would open him up to all sorts of threats and attempts on his life.
If you don't want to get shot then don't try to break into the Speaker's lobby in the Capital. Those people were attempting a coup and, honestly, many more of them should have been shot.
If the shoe were on the other foot and it was Antifa trying to break into the capital the exact same liars who are whining now would have applauded the officer that shot some of them.
Do they actually think they are fooling anyone?

#14 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-16 10:45 AM | Reply

The Capitol Police are federal employees as such they have a different level of transparency. Per capita the FBI kills more people than any LE agency, they quietly do the investigations in-house, and the results are kept quiet. You rarely learn the names of agents who pulled the trigger. The officer/special agent who shot the white supremacist traitor Babbitt was cleared of wrongdoing in their internal investigation, good enough for me, it was caught of video. If he/she had not pulled the trigger more terrorists would have come through that window placing the Speaker, VP and members of Congress in mortal danger. She won her stupid prize.

#15 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-07-16 11:04 AM | Reply

Danni I have no doubt your about your assessment if the shoe was on the other foot,but at the same time if that were the situation and a black woman was shot by a white officer the left would be screaming racism and demanding the release of the officer's name and all relevant video.
Do you agree?

#16 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-16 11:41 AM | Reply

Weird how you are ok with federal employees having a "different level of transparency".

#17 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-16 03:51 PM | Reply

Republicans hate America.

Which is why they all support the terrorists of 1/6.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-16 04:31 PM | Reply

Which is why they all support the terrorists of 1/6.

#18 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2021-07-16 04:31 PM | REPLY

Well dang it...here comes the --------- to disrupt any chance of a conversation.

#19 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-16 06:01 PM | Reply

disrupt any chance of a conversation.

Conversation?

You mean making excuses for 1/6.

That's not conversation and not something I want to engage in.

Go circle up with your MAGAts and jerk each other around.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-16 06:05 PM | Reply

ScottE,

Answer one question.

Was 1/6 a terrorist attack on the Capitol Building with hopes of disrupting the transfer of power from Trump to Biden?

Yes or No.

(Choose one)

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-16 06:07 PM | Reply

There is no justification. They are traitors to this country and terrorists.

POSTED BY SCOTTE AT 2021-07-11 12:32 PM | REPLY

You must have missed my post. Or you just chose to ignore it.

#22 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-16 06:17 PM | Reply

Miranda you are spot on with your take on the media. They amplify the voices of the most radical like they speak for everyone in an effort to spark division.
The media doesn't inform it incites...and you can see the result from many of the posts here.

#23 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-16 06:24 PM | Reply

Why would I ask you something if I already knew your answer?

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-16 06:29 PM | Reply

May as well give up Scottie. If you disagree with these people on any topic you are assumed to be a Trumper, Trumplican, racist, white Supremacist, Facist, anti-democracy, evil human being. This site is populated with binary thinking people who can't comprehend that someone can have an opinion that doesn't fit neatly within the boundaries of their partisan definitions.

#25 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-16 06:33 PM | Reply

No doubt about it Miranda. I've certainly brought up that same point several times and you can see from the above comments it hasn't made much of a difference.

I find as I've gotten older I've aquired more patience so I'll keep trying.

#26 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-16 07:02 PM | Reply

,but at the same time if that were the situation and a black woman was shot by a white officer the left would be screaming racism and demanding the release of the officer's name and all relevant video.
Do you agree?
#16 | POSTED BY SCOTTE

So are you saying the right is doing their version of screaming racism?

I really don't understand what point you're trying to make here.

It doesn't seem like you're even discussing the fact that the Capitol Police defended the Capitol from an insurrection, at all.

You're just flinging accusations at liberals, lashing out at liberals, for no clear reason.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 07:04 PM | Reply

And to answer your second question Clownshack you seem to think you know my answer and opinion on everything...like many others here.

#28 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-16 07:05 PM | Reply

you seem to think you know my answer and opinion on everything...

Seems like you're projecting.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-16 07:09 PM | Reply

No Snoofy, I was responding to the scenario put forth by Danni.

Read her post, read my response, and see if that makes any more sense.

#30 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-16 07:10 PM | Reply

"They amplify the voices of the most radical like they speak for everyone"

Got any examples?

"in an effort to spark division."

Got any evidence this is their intent?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 07:11 PM | Reply

"No Snoofy, I was responding to the scenario put forth by Danni."

You mean the part about not releasing his name, for his safety?

I don't think that's a "scenario." Isn't that more of a known fact?

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 07:13 PM | Reply

#16 | Posted by ScottE

You make a claim - black woman shot by white cop. We don't actually even know the race or sex of the officer who shot this insurrectionist and it doesn't matter. A woman broke through a barrier erected to stop a mob that was calling for blood of the people these officers were there to protect. Politicians were escaping in that hallway as I had understood the situation. I don't care what their sex was, what their race was or anything else about the criminal - that officer deserves a medal.

#33 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-16 07:15 PM | Reply

Nothing of the sort Clowny I just read your comments telling me what my opinion is...
And I've read Snoofys comments telling me what my opinion is....and JPW and Speak etc.
Maybe you don't even realize it but y'all do it all the time.

#34 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-16 07:15 PM | Reply

#16 | Posted by ScottE

To be doubly clear - these officers who were being overrun and trying to protect human lives - not property. They were not arresting a mere demonstrator, this was a person trying to overthrow the election at the behest of the sitting president and his cronies.

#35 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-16 07:17 PM | Reply

"Maybe you don't even realize it but y'all do it all the time"

Maybe you don't realize you do it too.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 07:22 PM | Reply

If the shoe were on the other foot and it was Antifa trying to break into the capital the exact same liars who are whining now would have applauded the officer that shot some of them.
Do they actually think they are fooling anyone?

#14 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2021-07-16 10:45 AM | REPLY

Danni I have no doubt about your assessment if the shoe was on the other foot,but at the same time if that were the situation and a black woman was shot by a white officer the left would be screaming racism and demanding the release of the officer's name and all relevant video.
Do you agree?

#16 | POSTED BY SCOTTE AT 2021-07-16 11:41 AM | REPLY

To help y'all out.... Danni's scenario and my response.

Do you agree?
Yes or No

#37 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-16 08:03 PM | Reply

Pete I wasn't debating whether or not the shooting was justified. I've given my opinion on the insurrection and from the information I've seem the shooting was justified.

I'm just pointing out that ever present double standard I see here. Everybody here is supporting not releasing the officer's name or other details of the investigation, and claim the right only wants this information because it was a white person killed by a black cop.

#38 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-16 08:10 PM | Reply

Why do you think the name isn't being released?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 08:12 PM | Reply

Everybody here is supporting not releasing the officer's name or other details of the investigation, and claim the right only wants this information because it was a white person killed by a black cop.

#38 | Posted by ScottE

No everybody but you apparently realizes that trump is the head of a murderous cult who would try to take revenge on the officer and his family if they knew who he was.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-16 08:27 PM | Reply

So everybody is skirting around the issue and won't answer the question...that says a lot.

Y'all acting like you've never seen a situation where a black person is killed by a white cop and immediately there are cries of racism....before the facts are even out. Many of these situations turn into protests the same day and the officer's name and the video is being demanded. And often times it's escalated into a riot or days of riots with burning and looting of private and public property.

When names are released there been mobs outside the cops home and they have to be escorted out under protection.

I'm telling you now...any dumba$$ who asks for a link will not get a response.

#41 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-16 09:02 PM | Reply

Y'all acting like you've never seen a situation where a black person is killed by a white cop and immediately there are cries of racism....before the facts are even out.

#41 | Posted by ScottE

And you're acting like human beings don't have the capacity to notice patterns.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-16 09:07 PM | Reply

AB earned her prize...the pigmentation of the officer who shot her is objectively irrelevant.

Of course we don't live in an objective world. Derek Chauvin was married to a woman of color, but is portrayed by the left as being motivated by white supremacy. And while AB may be a martyr to some on the right, GF is a left-wing cultural icon.

Are there any murals bearing paintings of Ashli Babbiit?

#43 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-16 10:16 PM | Reply

#7

You're not being progressive, dude,

You're literally inches from being permanently banned from the tribe.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-16 10:17 PM | Reply

#44 You're concern trolling.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 10:18 PM | Reply

"Derek Chauvin was married to a woman of color, but is portrayed by the left as being motivated by white supremacy."

These things aren't mutually exclusive.
Ask Sally Hemings if you still don't get it.

I've also never seen this portrayal you're referring to. Got any examples?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 10:20 PM | Reply

"Racism is an animating force behind fascism"

Really?

The first fascist party was a splinter faction of the Italian Socialist Party. Led by prominent Italian Socialist Benito Mussolini. This fascist party included Jewish members, up to the point where Germany invaded Italy in an effort to defend it from allied attacks.

In Spain under Franco, they assisted European Jews in escaping from Hitler.

And when it came to black people, the Nazis were far less prejudicial towards them than the US was. Especially the Democrats in the southern US.

#47 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-16 10:22 PM | Reply

"GF is a left-wing cultural icon."

Oh come on.
He's an icon like Emmett Till is an icon.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 10:23 PM | Reply

"And when it came to black people, the Nazis were far less prejudicial towards them than the US was."

They had black people in 1930s Germany?

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 10:24 PM | Reply

"I've also never seen this portrayal you're referring to. Got any examples?"

Were you just too high all last summer?

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-16 10:25 PM | Reply

Are you black? Is that why you're too lazy to dig up an example?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 10:25 PM | Reply

"They had black people in 1930s Germany?"

Yes.

Lots of them.

Especially in western Germany, where the French used colonial troops to occupy the west bank of the Rhein after WWI.

They served in the Army. There were even black kids in the Hitler Youth.

I've never heard of any black soldiers serving in any of the European SS formations, but it wouldn't be surprising if there were. Lots of non-Aryan SS formations were deployed before the war ended.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-16 10:30 PM | Reply

"Are you black? Is that why you're too lazy to dig up an example?"

Honestly?

How do I do this?

Had GF been white, no one would know who he is. More importantly, no one would have cared about a violent drug addict who died after resisting.

Had GF been a Billy Bob or a Jethro, Portland would not have burned for 120 days last summer.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-16 10:33 PM | Reply

Were you referring to the incident where Chauvin kneeled on another black guy's neck for like ten minutes?

Hating blacks seems like a pretty reasonable explanation to me. Which is not quite the same thing as White Supremacy, but maybe that's a distinction without a difference.

Since you aren't buying the White Supremacy thing: What's your reasonable explanation?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 10:33 PM | Reply

"Since you aren't buying the White Supremacy thing: What's your reasonable explanation?"

Dealing with more social trash.

I think that, had GF been a white dude named Bubba with the same history, DC would not have behaved any differently.

Society would have behaved differently to his death though.

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-16 11:19 PM | Reply

The officer was justified. But I must correct Pete. Politicians were NOT "escaping in that hallway". That "hallway" is called the Speakers Lobby and is not an escape route The members had already been ordered to evacuate through a DIFFERENT exit, but some of them decided to defy orders and hang around to see what was going on. NOBODY other than law enforcement had a reason to be in that "hallway".

The Capitol complex Includes a labyrinth of passageways, safe rooms, bunkers and tunnels. Evacuation protocols are well rehearsed have layers of contingency plans for situations like this. The weak link is the Members of Congress themselves. Most of the politicians who claim they were "perilously close" to the danger put themselves in that position by refusing to comply with Capitol Police evacuation orders. Many fled to their offices instead of following designated evacuation routes.

#56 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-16 11:22 PM | Reply

I think MLK nailed it...it's more about class than race.

Even Marx had nothing nice to say about the Lumpenproletariat.

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-16 11:23 PM | Reply

"I think MLK nailed it...it's more about class than race."

When blacks are so much poorer than whites, that becomes a bit of a distinction without a difference.

Poor whites don't blame rich whites for their plight. That's what makes it about race.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 11:51 PM | Reply

"Dealing with more social trash."

That could still be White Supremacy, though. Depending on how you define trash.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 11:54 PM | Reply

Had GF been white, no one would know who he is. More importantly, no one would have cared about a violent drug addict who died after resisting.
Had GF been a Billy Bob or a Jethro, Portland would not have burned for 120 days last summer.

#53 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2021-07-16 10:33 PM

William Jennette died by asphyxiation in May 2020 at the hands of law enforcement as they knelt on his back while his hands were cuffed behind his back and Mr. Jennette saying...I can't breathe.

#60 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-17 12:40 AM | Reply

"William Jennette died by asphyxiation in May 2020 at the hands of law enforcement as they knelt on his back while his hands were cuffed behind his back and Mr. Jennette saying...I can't breathe."

Looked it up.

The fact that I didn't know his name speaks volumes.

#61 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-17 12:51 AM | Reply

Bomber, you noticed that was the same month as GF...3 weeks earlier.

#62 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-17 01:05 AM | Reply

#60 Not for 9 minutes, and after a violent confrontation in his jail cell. Not good, but not the same as GF's murder.

#63 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-17 01:26 AM | Reply

"Not for 9 minutes"

So it took less than 9 minutes to kill him. You somehow think that makes it better?

#64 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-17 01:40 AM | Reply

Yes, the cops had to subdue both, the extra 9 minutes made GF a murder victim.

#65 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-17 04:46 AM | Reply

Any insurrectionist who was stupid enough to enter the Capitol with a mob, swarm with mobsters attacking police and destroying property, and not anticipate the prospect of getting their ass shot off is stupid enough to be ... the late Ashli Babbitt.

#66 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-07-17 06:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Most of the politicians who claim they were "perilously close" to the danger put themselves in that position by refusing to comply with Capitol Police evacuation orders. Many fled to their offices instead of following designated evacuation routes.

#56 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 AT 2021-07-16

So you're a promoter of the peaceful tourist theory of 01/06 rather than the vicious, howling mob that was there and everyone actually saw.

From your point of view, Mike Pence would have died from an unfortunate, self-inflicted hanging. Suicide, really.

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-17 07:51 AM | Reply

Are you black? Is that why you're too lazy to dig up an example?
#51 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-07-16 10:25 PM

You know, I thought when you called Boaz a -------- and got away with it, you could not get anymore racist. I was wrong. It floors me what gets a pass around here.

#68 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2021-07-17 08:45 AM | Reply

#68
Newsworthy X 10

#69 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-07-17 10:09 AM | Reply

Are you black? Is that why you're too lazy to dig up an example?
#51 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-07-16 10:25 PM

More proof that liberals are the real racists.

#70 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-07-17 11:43 AM | Reply

It floors me what gets a pass around here.
#68 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

Hey GracieAmazed,
You sound like you have blood coming out of your wherever.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 12:15 PM | Reply

William Jennette died by asphyxiation in May 2020 at the hands of law enforcement

Was his execution filmed and shared with the rest of the world?

Because, if George Floyd's hadn't been, no would care about him either.

Clearly, some of you don't care about him after seeing his execution.

But that's just the racist within you.

#72 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-17 12:42 PM | Reply

Most of the politicians who claim they were "perilously close" to the danger put themselves in that position by refusing to comply with Capitol Police evacuation orders. Many fled to their offices instead of following designated evacuation routes.
#56 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

It's almost as if people act irrationally when they feel like their lives are in danger.

Having your place of work attacked by a mob of terrorists will do that to people.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-17 12:45 PM | Reply

You sound like you have blood coming out of your wherever.
#71 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

She hasn't been that blessed in decades.

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-17 12:46 PM | Reply

if that were the situation and a black woman was shot by a white officer

It would just be another day in America.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-17 12:49 PM | Reply

All of this posturing about black cops and white insurrectionists does a good job of demonstrating the deeply racist dimensions of Ashli Bobbitt's martyrdom.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 12:53 PM | Reply

Clowny, there is video of the Jennette killing if you care to watch and it also disputes the claim that some here have made that the officers were justified in killing him because he violently attacked the police.

And no it wasn't shared with the world like the the GF story was which is why I said on another thread discussing police killings and made the statement that the media doesn't give the same coverage of police brutality when the victim is white.

#77 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-17 01:58 PM | Reply

"the media doesn't give the same coverage of police brutality when the victim is white."

So why doesn't Fox News or OAN step up?
You know why. Because they Back The Blue.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 02:06 PM | Reply

Ashli was at the head of a terrorist murderous mob that viciously attacked and injured police while breaking into the Capitol to stop a vote.

F-ed around and found out.

I thank the cop for his service.

#79 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-17 02:50 PM | Reply

I agree with that Snoofy.

So why doesn't the rest of the media cover these stories? I don't know the answer but they seem to focus on the narrative that police killings are all race based which tends to be divisive as opposed to police brutality has victims of all races which would be much more unifying.

And for anyone who sees the unjustified use of force by the police as a big problem like I do the media isn't doing us any favors.

#80 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-17 02:52 PM | Reply

The cops should have started shooting as soon as the terrorists attacked the doors. That would have quickly ended the insurrection.

#81 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-17 02:53 PM | Reply

#80 Cops are a tool of the elite to keep the poor in line. US Police use of force is orders of magnitude higher than Europe and Europe is just fine without blue Nazis. The Cops are also the soldiers in the war on drugs used to brutalize blacks.

The elite don't want to criticize their blue thugs, so they only report on cop murderers when video goes viral.

End the war on drugs, empty the prisons, fire violent cops, hire social workers and you will defund crime.

#82 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-17 03:04 PM | Reply

I'm all for the legalization and/or decriminalization of all drugs.

#83 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-17 03:22 PM | Reply

SCOTTE, I will agree with you to a point, that the media gives more coverage to a police killing of a black person than of a white person. Is it always fair? Probably not. Is every police killing of a black person racially motivated? Of course not. Is every police killing of a white person justified? Again, of course not.

But what you have to look at is, why is there more media and public scrutiny of police killings of black people? It's because there is a problem. There is a significant disparity in the police use of force on black people compared to whites or even other non-white people. You're a smart and educated guy, you can do your own research, but I included a pretty good article below which illustrates this disparity.

And just so I don't come off as some uber-lefty with a utopic world view and no grounding in reality, I was in law enforcement for 28 years. I'm not going down the war story rabbit hole, but from my own experience there is zero doubt in my mind police are more likely to use force on black people than any other color.

www.washingtonpost.com

#84 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-07-17 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

zed, you are delusional, you said,

"So you're a promoter of the peaceful tourist theory of 01/06 rather than the vicious, howling mob that was there and everyone actually saw.

From your point of view, Mike Pence would have died from an unfortunate, self-inflicted hanging. Suicide, really."

Where the f did you come up with something so stupid? I never said anything at all to that effect. .

#85 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-17 09:25 PM | Reply

"I never said anything at all to that effect."

You said the Congressmen were in danger because they refused police orders.

Go ahead and apply that logic to Ashli Babbitt and tell me how it plays out.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 09:37 PM | Reply

What I did say was " Most of the politicians who claim they were "perilously close" to the danger put themselves in that position by refusing to comply with Capitol Police evacuation orders. Many fled to their offices instead of following designated evacuation routes."

I worked at the Capitol for years and many of my family members did as well. The smell of political arrogance and unchecked power permeates the place. Many, not all members of Congress treat the Capitol Police and other staff horribly. They refuse to follow rules and have no qualms about destroying the careers of anyone who offends them.

They KNOW what they are supposed to do in an emergency. They have drills. Unfortunately, politicians do not like to be told what to do, and failing to follow orders increased danger to themselves and officers tasked with protecting them. Call mecynical, but I'd bet a lot of them were looking for cameras and trying to figure out the best way to exploit the crisis for political gain. Can't do that from a bombproof bunker, but they've been doing it ever since

THAT was my point. I have never defended the idiots who invaded the Capitol.

#87 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-17 09:56 PM | Reply

"I worked at the Capitol for years and many of my family members did as well. The smell of political arrogance and unchecked power permeates the place."

You sure that wasn't just cigarettes?

I liked the fact that you could smoke in Congressional cafeterias, long after the Federal workplace smoking ban was enacted.

It mads for a simple and effective demonstration of the Constitutional principle of Separation of Powers.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 10:02 PM | Reply

"Many, not all members of Congress treat the Capitol Police and other staff horribly."

Q. Why don't Senators use bookmarks?
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A. They just bend over the pages.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 10:09 PM | Reply

Considering that pages are high school students that's pretty disgusting. Yes, there was a lot of cigarette smoke inmthe Capitol. Congress loves to pass laws for the people then exempt themselves.

#90 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-17 10:41 PM | Reply

"Congress loves to pass laws for the people then exempt themselves."

That's not what happens.

The Constitution exempts them.

If you worked there, and you don't know how it works... Well, that's not a good look.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 10:45 PM | Reply

"Considering that pages are high school students that's pretty disgusting."

It's funny because it's true.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 10:45 PM | Reply

Only if you think raping kids is finny

#93 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-17 11:23 PM | Reply

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