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Friday, July 16, 2021

While Covid cases have fallen dramatically since the introduction of vaccines, the from the previous week, with 26,300 new infections a day, CDC Chief Rochelle Walensky said at a White House briefing on Friday.

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...Just four states accounted for 40% of Covid cases in the past week, said Jeffrey Zients, President Joe Biden's Covid-19 response coordinator, with 1 in 5 cases occurring in Florida alone. The 7-day average of hospital admissions nationwide rose 36% to 2,790 while daily deaths jumped 26% to 211 per day.

"These cases were primarily among unvaccinated individuals," Zients said during the briefing. "If you're unvaccinated please get vaccinated now."...


20% of the new COVID cases last week were in one state, Florida.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-07-16 03:11 PM | Reply

"These cases were primarily among unvaccinated individuals"

Apparently death is too great an abstraction for Trumpites to comprehend.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-16 04:17 PM | Reply

Whoa. Hold on there

Instead of pointing out a pandemic of the unvaccinated is occurring, let's instead argue that they can't ALL be trumpling conservatives, even though it's they themselves who say they aren't going to get vaccinated every time they open their mouths.

- - eberly

#3 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-16 04:42 PM | Reply

Every time I read about these people refusing to save themselves by vaccination, I am reminded that a significant portion of America is comprised of simple hillbillies.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-16 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There are 2 types of unvaccinated.

Those that proclaim it and those who don't.

Amazing that we have people who think that matters to the virus.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-16 05:15 PM | Reply

Has the Republican Party officially acknowledged Covid exists?

Because. That could help.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-16 05:26 PM | Reply

Millions of unvaccinated people didn't get COVID today.
But the Liberal Media will never report that.
--JeffJ

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 05:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

I wonder what the other three states are? The featured article cites only Florida. It is one of the four largest states in the US. Together the four largest states make up about 1/3 of the United States' population, so this statistic may not be that surprising.

#8 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-16 08:23 PM | Reply

"Together the four largest states make up about 1/3 of the United States' population, so this statistic may not be that surprising."

P-value?

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-16 08:35 PM | Reply

Soon it will be considered to be an IQ test when we look at the difference between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. I should always though remember to consider the plights of those with accute allergy problems who simply can't be vaccinated and who remain at risk through no stupidity of their own. Liz. (Inside joke).

#10 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-17 12:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I wonder what the other three states are?
#8 | POSTED BY JAKESTER

Numbers are July 13

Past 7 days new cases
Florida 32,127
Texas 12,386
California 10,742
Missouri 10,676
Louisiana 5,882

Most cases per 100k
Arkansas 187
Missouri 174
Florida 149
Nevada 129
Utah 101
www.healthline.com

#11 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-07-17 01:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I suppose it's already been considered but, if not, and since this virus it a national security threat, I wonder if its legal for Homeland Security to send the equivalent of ER crash carts into these states, by the thousands, if for no other reason than, at least, to lower the odds of another pandemic sweeping the country.

I realize that some of these die-hard radicals would rather die than contribute to President Biden success story, but they can't ALL be stupid enough to die for Donald Trump.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-17 05:13 AM | Reply

It is one of the four largest states in the US. Together the four largest states make up about 1/3 of the United States' population, so this statistic may not be that surprising.

Is Missouri one of the four largest states?

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-17 10:15 AM | Reply

Past 7 days new cases
Florida 32,127

DeSantis is the best!

-righties

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-17 10:16 AM | Reply

-Soon it will be considered to be an IQ test when we look at the difference between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated

Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot just to see if it still hurts.

Do you understand me?

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:13 AM | Reply

From the sub-article...

...It was always a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

What it is becoming now, at least in the United States, is a *preventable* pandemic of the *willfully* unvaccinated....


Probably one of the better summaries I've read in a while...

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-07-17 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#10 ... Soon it will be considered to be an IQ test when we look at the difference between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. ...

I'd view it as less of an IQ test, and more of a gullibility test for most of those who opt not to vaccinate.

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-07-17 11:22 AM | Reply

I appreciate the covid anti-vax volunteers who are helping the scientists measure the effectiveness of the vaccines. Some of you may die, but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make.

#18 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-17 11:23 AM | Reply

"Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot just to see if it still hurts.
Do you understand me?"

I don't understand you.

Not getting vaccinated is shooting yourself in the foot.

Your party celebrates your choice to be that stupid. Which means you do too.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 12:41 PM | Reply

GOP governor's vaccination tour reveals depths of distrust
apnews.com

...Free lottery tickets for those who get vaccinated had few takers. Free hunting and fishing licenses didn't change many minds either. And this being red-state Arkansas, mandatory vaccinations are off the table.

So Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson has hit the road, meeting face-to-face with residents to try to overcome vaccine hesitancy -- in many cases, hostility -- in Arkansas, which has the highest rate of new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. but is near the very bottom in dispensing shots....


#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-07-17 01:08 PM | Reply

LAMP

"Free lottery tickets for those who get vaccinated had few takers. Free hunting and fishing licenses didn't change many minds either."

Meh! ~~ One is a gamble and the other isn't useful to people who do neither.

I venture a $20 gift card at Walmart would work better.

#21 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-17 01:29 PM | Reply

-Soon it will be considered to be an IQ test when we look at the difference between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated

It's not about IQ ... .it's about reckless choices.

But let's pretend it is and apply this notion to

Obesity
Smoking
Drug abuse
Teenage pregnancy
High school dropout rates
Etc

Not long before you're calling me a racist for daring to shine a light on people like that.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 01:39 PM | Reply

Depressing as hell:

Arkansas leads nation in COVID-19 case rate as vaccinations lag

Cases of COVID-19 have doubled in the U.S. in the past two weeks, and Arkansas is becoming a case study in how low vaccination rates can fuel the spread of the virus.

Arkansas continues to be the nation's top state for new cases per capita, and only 35% of the state's population is fully vaccinated, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The virus appears to be largely sparing vaccinated people from the most severe illness.

"Of all of our critically ill COVID positive patients at Baptist Health facilities, none have been fully vaccinated," said Stephanie Whitaker, chief nursing executive for Baptist Health, a major healthcare provider in the state.

The state's Department of Health said there are 240 COVID-19 patients in the state's ICUs and 118 on ventilators. Only 4% of the state's intensive care unit beds are available.

Arkansas has a history of a lax pandemic response and was one of only seven states that did not issue a stay-at-home order for nonessential activities in March and April 2020 in response to the pandemic.


www.usatoday.com

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-17 01:40 PM | Reply

My point is there is no political upside to blaming the ------- anti-vaxers any more than blaming --------

Just keep blaming republican leadership.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 01:41 PM | Reply

"It's not about IQ ... .it's about reckless choices."

It's about misinformed choices.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-17 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How long does being an antivaxer get blamed on misinformation?

Speaking for myself, someone may have attempted to misinform me but I didn't fall for it.

But some ------- down the street continues to ignore reality ... ..for how long are we going to blame it on misinformation?

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 01:48 PM | Reply

"But let's pretend it is and apply this notion to
Obesity
Smoking
Drug abuse
Teenage pregnancy
High school dropout rates
Etc"

^
So why are all those things worse in Red states, if not for Republican leadership?

'My point is there is no political upside to blaming the ------- anti-vaxers any more than blaming --------."

I agree there's little upside. But.. shouldn't there be political upside to the truth? What does it say about people in charge in Red states when the truth does not sway them?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

^
Sort of like believe in the laffer curve

#28 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-17 01:53 PM | Reply

"But some ------- down the street continues to ignore reality ... ..for how long are we going to blame it on misinformation?"

I get what you're saying.

What do you blame it on, when the benefit of the doubt of merely being "misinformed" has worn thin, and people have obviously chosen to die by their own arrogant, prideful ignorance?

How about "Death Cult." Does that sound about right, Eberly?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" how long are we going to blame it on misinformation?"

I'd say as long as the misinformation continues.

In the macro, purposeful liars are links in a chain acquiring and spreading a deadly pandemic.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-17 02:05 PM | Reply

@#26 ... Speaking for myself, someone may have attempted to misinform me but I didn't fall for it. ...

Hence my #17 comment.

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-07-17 02:07 PM | Reply

"In the macro, purposeful liars are links in a chain acquiring and spreading a deadly pandemic."

Every cult needs leaders.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 02:08 PM | Reply

Delta is going to kill over 100k trump supporters. They bought the ticket, soon they get to take the ride.

Social science will learn a lot from their sacrifice. I thank Fox and Facebook for their service.

#33 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-17 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How long does being an antivaxer get blamed on misinformation?

Speaking for myself, someone may have attempted to misinform me but I didn't fall for it.

But some ------- down the street continues to ignore reality ... ..for how long are we going to blame it on misinformation?

#26 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You are under the misconception that many on the right are informed
One of the basic problems is that there is a whole industry of misinformation that many people rely solely on for news

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-07-17 03:28 PM | Reply

-Delta is going to kill over 100k trump supporters.

How many non trump supporters?

Zero? 6? Or maybe 40K?

Truth, perhaps You're right. Im under the impression that Fox News is not telling their viewers to avoid getting vaccinated.

Thanks for setting me straight. This place is amazing.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 03:35 PM | Reply

It's not about IQ, it is about history, disinformation and politics depending on which groups of unvaccinated you are referring to.

Yes probably most of them are Trumplicans. Propaganda victims mostly but yes many really seem to be THAT low on the IQ scale.
A lot of them are anti-vaxers in general. Those are on both sides of politics and have fallen for the BS spread on Social Media.
Then finally there are the minorities who have historically been given many reasons to NOT trust the medical system.

#36 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-17 04:05 PM | Reply

"Then finally there are the minorities who have historically been given many reasons to NOT trust the medical system."

What reasons do minorities have to not trust the medical system?

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 04:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#35 ... Im under the impression that Fox News is not telling their viewers to avoid getting vaccinated. ...

That depends, of course of what is meant by "FoxNews" the low-rated actually daytime news shows, or the high-rated evening opinion shows.

I have heard on the latter questioning of the vaccine.

#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-07-17 04:47 PM | Reply

Alot of people are under a serious misconception on how people get their news. For many it is not Fox or CNN or MSNBC or the big three, a large swath of Americans get their news from instagram memes and twitter, and even Fox News is middle of the road to that crowd.

When you start to realize that many Americans get their information on daily events from blogs, you will start to understand.

And many of them are not as progressive as the DR, with its links to a variety of sources. They are reddit feeds and rightwing blogs where the misinformed and the maleficent educate the ignorant.

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-07-17 05:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"What reasons do minorities have to not trust the medical system?"

In 1932, the USPHS, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began a study to record the natural history of syphilis. It was originally called the "Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male" (now referred to as the "USPHS Syphilis Study at Tuskegee").

^
Stuff like that.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Im under the impression that Fox News is not telling their viewers to avoid getting vaccinated."

Which armpit did you fart with to create that impression?

www.google.com

Dr. Rob Davidson: How Fox News' Covid vaccine denialism hurts my patients

Opinion | The Anti-Vaccination Messages From Fox News

Despite Outbreaks Among Unvaccinated, Fox News Hosts Smear Shots

Analysis | Fox News's dismissive vaccine coverage is particularly dangerous for ...

Hear the anti-vaccine rhetoric from Fox News amidst Covid-19 deaths - CNN ...

Fox News's Embrace of Vaccine Skepticism Is Going to Get Its Viewers Killed

Former Murdoch exec slams Fox News on vaccines

Fox News' Anti-Vaccination Hysteria Has Reached a Disturbing New Level

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 05:47 PM | Reply

#35 I expect cultists to die at over 10 times the rate of cultists.

I thanked Fox, as in Tucker and Laura. They have been attacking Fauci, masks, isolation and vaccines.

They are more deadly than the US Military.

#42 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-17 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#35 I expect cultists to die at over 10 times the rate of cultists."

I assume you mean the latter group to be non-cultist?

If so, we'll see.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 06:03 PM | Reply

What reasons do minorities have to not trust the medical system?

#37 | Posted by eberly

Better reasons than trump supporters have.

WHy do trump supporters trust him more than they trust doctors?

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-17 06:15 PM | Reply

Every time I read about these people refusing to save themselves by vaccination, I am reminded that a significant portion of America is comprised of simple hillbillies.

#4 | POSTED BY ZED

And to paraphrase George Carlin a bit, think about how stupid the average anti-vaxxer is. Now remember half are even dumber than that.

#45 | Posted by El_Buscador at 2021-07-17 06:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Misinformation:

She has spent the last 12 days inside Arkansas Children's Hospital watching her 13-year-old breathe with the help of a ventilator.

Morris said that she decided against vaccinations for both herself and Caia due to misinformation .

"I just had a false sense of security that it was just like the flu and it wasn't that serious. Obviously it is that serious and it was that serious. Now, I can see," she said.

www.ktvb.com

Who told her that covid wasn't that serious and was just like the flu? Somebody she trusted and believed did.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-17 10:02 PM | Reply

#43 It's already happening.
Well over 90% of COVID-19 hospitalizations are unvaccinated.
Are you not aware of this?
???
??????????????????????????

"From January first to around mid-April, we've had around 4,300 admissions to the hospital with COVID. Of those patients, 99% were not fully vaccinated," said Eduardo Mireles, MD, Director of the Medical Intensive Care Unit.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 10:07 PM | Reply

Millions of unvaccinated people didn't get COVID today.
But the Liberal Media will never report that.
--JeffJ

millions of people didnt get skin cancer
today either, but too much sun still causes
cancer, ya moron... Here's your sign
[MORON].

#48 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-07-17 10:14 PM | Reply

Supplemental:

"Most fully vaccinated people who get Covid delta infections are asymptomatic, WHO says"

So basically, I can kill a bunch of deadweight unvaccinated people, just by getting Delta and not wearing a mask.

And I'm sure Eberly agrees, it's about time I get to work doing something that will make the world a better place!

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 10:21 PM | Reply

"What reasons do minorities have to not trust the medical system?"

In a word: history.

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-17 10:26 PM | Reply

50

In a word ... .weak

Come on. Nobody has come within a 1000 miles of making a good excuse for minorities not getting vaccinated.

Admit it ... you can't even invent one.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 10:54 PM | Reply

'Nobody has come within a 1000 miles of making a good excuse for minorities not getting vaccinated."

What difference would a good excuse make?
There is no good excuse, other than medical risk.
But still, they don't get vaccinated.
I mean, you can't really deny the numbers.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 11:01 PM | Reply

"In a word ... .weak"

Need more words? Pick up a history book, ffs.

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-17 11:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-What difference would a good excuse make?
There is no good excuse,

And yet I'm seeing them being made.

Why?

I actually believe there is no excuse

Not ... .

Fox News
Trump
Race
The internet

I'm not making excuses for anyone.

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:08 PM | Reply

-Need more words? Pick up a history book, ffs.

Getting weaker

What % of black people have been vaccinated for polio, chicken pox, etc? Normal vaccinations ... ... .

Where is the mistrust of minorities regarding those vaccines?

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:11 PM | Reply

"I actually believe there is no excuse"

And I used to wonder why black folks didn't trust the police or the banks.

We learn.

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-17 11:11 PM | Reply

"Normal vaccinations"

Required vaccinations. There's a difference.

"Where is the mistrust of minorities regarding those vaccines?"

Probably leading directly to the public school door.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-17 11:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

'Getting weaker"

I'm stunned. You, of all people, should know the answer to your own question, and how it's deeply coupled with blacks historically being treated as second-class citizens.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-17 11:14 PM | Reply

I can count on two toes the number of unvaccinated friends I have. Big surprise, they're married to each other.

I have a Mexican friend with a massive multi generation family, and it's split right down the middle.

It doesn't track with being pre-COVID anti-vaxx either.

This is happening in large part because Trump politicized the virus. He set the tone and started the dialogue with his trolling. He forced sane people to respond safely, and now it's just as though we were having a spirited discussion if the moon landings were real or fake. Or if OJ is guilty, which is a thing white people really couldn't understand about black people.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 11:16 PM | Reply

Oh ----. This is funny.

You're really going to run with this mistrust ---- as a real excuse for unvaccinated minorities?

Really?

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:17 PM | Reply

"What % of black people have been vaccinated for polio, chicken pox, etc? Normal vaccinations"

Less than whites.
Surely you've heard of "health disparaties."
This is one.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 11:19 PM | Reply

"You're really going to run with this mistrust ---- as a real excuse for unvaccinated minorities?"

What's yours?
Laziness? Stupidity?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 11:20 PM | Reply

Billy bob trailer trash is a bad American for not being vaccinated He knows better but ... .trump.

But blacks ... ..we'll that's different. They're good Americans while they are choosing not to get vaccinated and spreading the deadly disease ... ... because ... ..trust.

LOL

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:20 PM | Reply

I bet you aren't aware of the woman that was the source (unwittingly) for the line of stem cells that provided the foundation for so much we benefit from today. In fact, let's bring it right down to now: "The groundbreaking study that identified the infectivity of the virus SARS-CoV-2 in humans did so using the cells that were isolated from Henrietta Lacks."

Henrietta Lacks, cancer patient, provided (unbeknownst to her) what is now called the HeLa stem cell line. Henrietta Lacks was an African-American woman, treated at Johns Hopkins, the only hospital that would take in Blacks at the time. She died in hospital.

That is perhaps the most benign of all the stories about Blacks being used for medical experimentation. You may argue that vaccine hesitancy isn't rational, however that's irrelevant to the plethora or valid historic reasons for it.

Your post #63 is so massively stupid I have to assume you're trolling.

#64 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-17 11:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

61

Didn't see the word "trust" once.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:24 PM | Reply

64

Imagine how bad your posts look

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:25 PM | Reply

"But blacks ... ..we'll that's different."

Remember when us white people couldn't trust the police, banks, and hospitals?

No one else does, either.

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-17 11:25 PM | Reply

What point do you even think you're making here?

Blacks are less vaccinated than whites, across the board.
I'm not sure why you don't think that's a problem.

Trumpers are less vaccinated than normal people, across the board.
I'm not sure why you don't think that's a problem either.

"They're good Americans while they are choosing not to get vaccinated"

Nobody said that.

You can't understand this problem because you can't imagine helping people fix their mistakes without first blaming them for making those mistakes.

As though blaming them should be enough to get them to change, and after that, you wash your hands and walk away and it's not your problem any more.

But that's not how herd immunity works. There are no self made men. There's just a herd.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 11:28 PM | Reply

They're good Americans while they are choosing not to get vaccinated and spreading the deadly disease ... ... because ... ..trust.

LOL

Damn... you really don't know, do you?

America has a history of medically abusing Black people. No wonder many are wary of COVID-19 vaccine

Since the country's inception, the American medical institution has subjected Black bodies to abuse, exploitation and experimentation. Corpses being pulled from the ground for scientific study. Black women being sterilized without their knowledge and robbed of the opportunity to bear children. An entire Black community misled into believing they were immune from a fatal illness. Time and time again, Black people have been betrayed by the medical establishment, fostering a lingering, deep-rooted MISTRUST.

Perhaps the most notorious example of experimentation on Black bodies was the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, in which 400 sharecroppers were denied treatment for syphilis over 40 years. In 1932, U.S. Public Health Service employees recruited hundreds of poor, uneducated African American men with syphilis and watched them die avoidable deaths over time, even after a cure was found.

Whether it's due to Black people being subjected to medical experimentation, deceived by doctors or abused by medicine, African Americans' trepidation about getting the COVID-19 vaccines is not without historical merit.

"When people tell me there are Black people skeptical about (the COVID-19 vaccines) ... my first impulse is to say that's what happens when you leave unaddressed these problems of racial inequity and injustices in history," Hogarth said.

#69 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-07-17 11:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't any of you find it absurd to watch yourselves expelling energy separating the unvaccinated into groups where 1 gets admonished and the other sympathized.

And placing trump between them?

You're all profoundly retarded for engaging in such theatrics.

Absolutely none of you believe what you're selling.

But if you're up to it ... .keep dancing.

I love it

Blacks can't trust joe biden nor dr fauci?

What the ---- is their excuse for that?

#70 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:40 PM | Reply

69 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2021-07-17 11:40 PM | FLAG: DAMN!!!

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I know people who won't get vaccinated because they don't trust these vaccines because they were created so fast.

Do any of you know any black people who aren't vaccinated because of their mistrust of whities and their medicine?

#72 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:47 PM | Reply

Blacks can't trust joe biden nor dr fauci?
What the ---- is their excuse for that?
#70 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Neither can Trumpers. What difference does it make what their excuse is?

You keep talking about blame, and asking for excuses.

That's not how public health works.

Take the blame out of this discussion and try to have this discussion.

You'll notice you can't.

Whose fault is that? Yours.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 11:47 PM | Reply

-What difference does it make what their excuse is?

NONE.

That's my point. You and tonyforth are the ones manufacturing a difference in these ----------- excuses.

#74 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:51 PM | Reply

Ebs, the fact that every American doesn't learn about our complete American history in regards to issues so eternally relevant is a shame. Go to the link and read. Medical mistreatment started on slave ships during the Middle Passage and has continued up until recently as it regarded forced sterilizations of black women in Mississippi during my lifetime and close to yours.

There probably wouldn't have been such a pervasive vein of hesitancy if Trump (as the President) had made it our patriotic duty to get vaccinated from the get go, or for certain there would have been far less. Had Biden or any other sane person been President the problem wouldn't be as acute as it is.

But yes, for many in the Black community, deep-seeded mistrust of the medical profession is as real as George Floyd's death.

#75 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-07-17 11:52 PM | Reply

I think it makes a huge difference.

We're overcoming the hesitancy with Blacks. Understanding the history helps with that.

Meanwhile the largest groups percentage wise by far state flat out they will never get vaccinated are, #1 and #2:
Republican women
Republican men.

#76 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-17 11:55 PM | Reply

I wish I could give 75 multiple FF

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-17 11:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

" manufacturing a difference"

Not an ounce of manufacturing. Just naked, historical facts.

Why does that bother you so much you have to pretend the facts have been manufactured rather than simply reported?

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-17 11:56 PM | Reply

I like how Eberly can't help but hide behind a variety of emotional curtains on this topic.

It's as if we're saying "here, take this vaccine" and he doesn't trust any of the reasons we say it's a good idea.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-17 11:58 PM | Reply

Understanding and Ameliorating Medical Mistrust Among Black Americans

In this issue, we focus on the topic of mistrust of health care providers or systems among Black Americans, who are much more likely than whites to get seriously ill and die from COVID-19 but less willing to take the coronavirus vaccine.

The medical establishment has a long history of mistreating Black Americans - from gruesome experiments on enslaved people to the forced sterilizations of Black women and the infamous Tuskegee syphilis study that withheld treatment from hundreds of Black men for decades to let doctors track the course of the disease. So it's not surprising that just 42 percent of Black Americans said in November they'd be willing to take a COVID-19 vaccine. As Michael Che, one of the stars of Saturday Night Live, quipped last month, "I've got mixed feelings about the vaccine. On the one hand, I'm Black, so naturally I don't trust it. But on the other hand, I'm on a white TV show, so I might actually get the real one."

Mistrust of the health care system persists even among some Black medical professionals such as Oni Blackstock, M.D., a primary care physician, researcher, and former assistant commissioner of New York City Health Department's Bureau of HIV. When Blackstock's seven-year-old son needed to go the emergency department (ED) for a skin abscess, she hesitated. The last time Blackstock had taken him to the ED " for a broken wrist " a white orthopedist reset the bone without giving him a painkiller. "I have never seen so much fear in my child's face," Blackstock recalls, "and I felt completely responsible." To avoid a similar experience, she phoned her twin sister, an ED physician, who called ahead to ensure that a trusted colleague would treat her nephew.

Studies have found Black Americans are consistently undertreated for pain relative to white patients; one revealed half of medical students and residents held one or more false beliefs about supposed biological differences between Black and white patients, like the former have higher pain tolerance than the latter. In addition to this kind of differential treatment, the health care system often gives short shrift to the physical and emotional tolls of exposure to police brutality; substandard housing and schools; polluted neighborhoods; or other parts of the daily experiences of some Black Americans.

So the real anxieties of millions of Americans can be chalked up as chicken bleep? How privileged of you.

#80 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-07-18 12:02 AM | Reply

I wish I could give 75 multiple FF

There is nothing funny about the disparate treatment Black Americans are subjected to when seeking medical treatment. I simply have no more words for such contemptuousness and overt lack of concern for the real life experience-borne feelings of others. Should we just pack up and leave America Eberly? Sorry we don't live up to your expectations.

#81 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-07-18 12:06 AM | Reply

Excuses are not facts, kids.

You're all grasping. The truth is that that there are many personal and political reasons why people choose not to get vaccinated.

If you want to make it about color of skin. Fine.

Billy Bob ... .bad American.

Minorities ... ... good excuse ... .mistrust

As if billy bob ever trusted doctors or the govt.

You guys crack me up

The facts are that a disproportionate amount of trumpers are not getting vaccinated and it's a big factor in what we're experiencing.

But soon ... ..it will be racing through inner cities.

But you'll all blame billy bob for the bodies of minorities outside hospitals.

#82 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 12:06 AM | Reply

" So the real anxieties of millions of Americans can be chalked up as chicken bleep?"

Just wait. Next Eb will blast blacks for consistently living in redlined areas.

#83 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-18 12:07 AM | Reply

I wonder what excuse Eberly gives his Republican friends for why he got vaccinated.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-18 12:08 AM | Reply

-So it's not surprising that just 42 percent of Black Americans said in November they'd be willing to take a COVID-19 vaccine.

No it's not surprising.

Anymore than it's not surprising billy bob isn't vaccinated and why

You think you cracked some code with this ----?

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 12:08 AM | Reply

" As if billy bob ever trusted doctors or the govt."

But Billy Bob was willing to trust Trump.

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-18 12:10 AM | Reply

"Minorities ... ... good excuse ... .mistrust"

Nobody said it was a good excuse.
Just that it is a good explanation.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-18 12:11 AM | Reply

84

My friends are all vaccinated as far as I know.

They freely admit it. And many of them are massive trumpers.

But they're vaccinated.

Too bad you have no friends to make a similar comparison.

#88 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 12:11 AM | Reply

" But you'll all blame billy bob for the bodies of minorities outside hospitals."

No, I'll blame the minorities.

But I won't insultingly pretend their hesitance is unfounded.

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-18 12:12 AM | Reply

-But Billy Bob was willing to trust Trump.

They voted for him. Not sure about the trust.

But many probably trust trump.

Just like blacks trust Biden.

Oh wait ... ..

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 12:13 AM | Reply

"No it's not surprising."

Right, but the fact remains, whites could carry America to herd immunity much further than blacks ever could.

That's how math works.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-18 12:13 AM | Reply

You guys must think rednecks started being rednecks after Trump came along.

#92 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 12:14 AM | Reply

Nobody said it was a good excuse.
Just that it is a good explanation.

Exactly. No one here believes ANYTHING is a good excuse perhaps other than being immunocompromised and unable to get vaxed. We were having discourse about the reasons why people choose not to get vaccinated. We know why so many self-described white Republicans don't, and now you know why hesitancy in the Black community is high, period.

#93 | Posted by tonyroma at 2021-07-18 12:16 AM | Reply

-That's how math works.

Easy there ... .don't steal mathforth's line

#94 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 12:16 AM | Reply

"But many probably trust trump."

What a lost opportunity, then, that Trump won't tell them to get a vaccine, like he did.

Congratulations, Republicans.
You Built That!

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-18 12:16 AM | Reply

" They voted for him. Not sure about the trust."

Don't be a macro moron. We both know the outcome would've been worlds different had the orange dipschitt worn a mask, and had the nads to get his vaccine publicly.

#96 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-18 12:16 AM | Reply

"You guys must think rednecks started being rednecks after Trump came along."

You certainly upped your game.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-18 12:16 AM | Reply

-No one here believes ANYTHING is a good excuse

Riiiiifht ... .that's why you're all tuckered out making them.

#98 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 12:19 AM | Reply

-Don't be a macro moron.

LOL

#99 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 12:19 AM | Reply

There's that emotional shield again.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-18 12:20 AM | Reply

I bet you aren't aware of the woman that was the source (unwittingly) for the line of stem cells that provided the foundation for so much we benefit from today. In fact, let's bring it right down to now: "The groundbreaking study that identified the infectivity of the virus SARS-CoV-2 in humans did so using the cells that were isolated from Henrietta Lacks."

Yav, I was thinking of Henrietta Lacks too. Glad you posted.

#101 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-18 12:23 AM | Reply

JUST STOP!!! My daughter has COVID right now. She is severely immunocompromised and takes medication that shuts down what little immune response her body produces. She WAS vaccinated, but also aware it may not be effective on her. She has been more careful than anyone I know, virtually on lock down for the last year. Her only contacts are a very small circle of vaccinated friends, an ethnically diverse group of young adults. They have also been very careful hand protective of her. They all still wear masks in public, even though nobody else does here.

Despite their efforts, FOUR of them have tested positive for COVID this week, ALL of them were vaccinated. They were able to trace it back to a relative of her roommate. Note, it passed through TWO vaccinated, asymptomatic people before it sickened my daughter.

I am ANGRY when I read vitriol above, name calling, wishing people dead, placing blame. This virus has been overtly politicized from Day 1 by BOTH sides with divisive and destructive results. The solution is education, but why would anyone listen to someone who wishes they all die?

#102 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-18 02:24 AM | Reply

And then there is this from Dr. Robert Malone, pioneer in the field of mRNA vaccines.

mobile.twitter.com

The covid surge is among the vaccinated.

#103 | Posted by FSUknowit at 2021-07-18 02:41 AM | Reply

"I am ANGRY when I read vitriol above, name calling, wishing people dead, placing blame. This virus has been overtly politicized from Day 1 by BOTH sides with divisive and destructive results. The solution is education, but why would anyone listen to someone who wishes they all die?"

There is a lot of anger to go around. People with compromised immune systems are scared for their own health, people with other serious illnesses (cancer, heart disease, etc.) are unable to receive the treatment they need when hospitals are overflowing with covid patients, and overworked healthcare professionals are exhausted and frustrated. It can be hard to sustain patience and empathy for people who are seen to be acting recklessly and selfishly for whatever the reasons.

Some health-care workers are starting to resent their patients"an emotion that feels taboo. "You're just angry," Coulter said, "and you feel guilty for getting angry, because they're sick and dying." Others are indignant on behalf of loved ones who don't already have access to the vaccines. "I'm a mom of a 1-year-old and a 4-year-old, and the daughter of family members in Zimbabwe and South Africa who can't get vaccinated yet," says Matifadza Hlatshwayo Davis, who works at a Veterans Affairs hospital in St. Louis. "I'm frustrated, angry, and sad."
www.theatlantic.com

It pisses me off that I am fighting for my life and am terrified, yet there are people out there who thumb their noses at the vaccine that saves lives, as they put others' lives at risk.
twitter.com

Everyone needs to be more empathetic and less selfish, but we know some, like Trump himself, are incapable doing either.

#104 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-18 06:40 AM | Reply

"My daughter has COVID right now. She is severely immunocompromised and takes medication that shuts down what little immune response her body produces. She WAS vaccinated, but also aware it may not be effective on her."

Best wishes to your daughter and to your whole family. I hope your daughter is spared the worst impacts of the virus and makes a full and speedy recovery. It is a truly frightening time for anyone who is immunocompromised. Several people I love fall into that category. One is a dialysis patient, the other is undergoing breast cancer treatment. It is hard not to be frightened and angry at somebody.

#105 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-18 07:05 AM | Reply

How many people have to die because of their reluctance to take COVID seriously and to get the vaccinations before we start calling Donald Trump and all of the right wing commentators who lead their flock so far astray before we start referring to them as murderers? Because that is what they are and today, they can't claim not to know the truth, they are knowingly leading their flock astray, leading them to jeopardize their own lives and the lives of their children. We need to make it clear from now on, THEY ARE MURDERERS!

#106 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-18 07:42 AM | Reply

Thank you, Gal

Danni, you have just proven point. I DESPISE Trump. But he is not the president anymore. and is not the root of all evil in the world. To scapegoat him for ALL the vaccine hesitancy is just stupid and counterproductive. Can you Give me ONE QUOTE of Trump discouraging anyone from getting vaccinated, or disparaging the vaccine in any way?. You can't. Trump is at least partly responsible for the vaccines rapid development and Dems are at least partly responsible for casting doubt on its safety, particularly prior to the election. Trump has always spoken out in support of the vaccine and has made many public statements encouraging people to get vaccinated. Apparently "His flock" does not follow his orders.

Once again, I DESPISE Trump and I'm sick of hearing about him. He is not the all powerful boogeyman you make him out to be. The Media ... .there is your boogeyman. It's all about the clicks, and divisive, polarizing rhetoric gets clicks.

#107 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-18 09:29 AM | Reply

He (Trump)is not the all powerful boogeyman you make him out to be.

#107 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

He's be nothing at all without tens of millions worshiping him as the Boogeyman. Now, why do they do that I wonder?

#108 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-18 09:54 AM | Reply

Growing up, some kids I knew blamed everything bad on their brother Billy. Billy stole stuff, broke stuff, etc.. I hadn't met Billy and didn't want to. Finally I spent the night at their house and asked where Billy was. I got chuckles. "Billy GOAT" they said.. "Wow, you have a GOAT?" One of the younger kids said, "No, Billy is a ESCAPEgoat When something goes wrong, you just blame Billy, and that way nobody gets in trouble.

It was a cute family joke and resolved issues like missing socks and broken toys, but when you apply that sort of mentality to real world problems they will never be solved.

#109 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-18 09:55 AM | Reply

The Media ... .there is your boogeyman.

#107 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

But you provide a partial answer to my #108.

#110 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-18 09:55 AM | Reply

#107 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

There are several reasons why people don't get vaccinated. I'm afraid that loyalty to Trump is on that list.

None of the reasons the unvaccinated have for their behavior are valid. They are people who walk around with gun barrels in their mouths, enjoying the taste of metal.

#111 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-18 09:58 AM | Reply

"Everyone needs to be more empathetic and less selfish"

Uh huh ... ..----

#112 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 10:06 AM | Reply

I don't believe tens of millions "worship him".

#113 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-18 10:07 AM | Reply

#113 worship is a bit strong but there are tens of millions who certainly are in his cult of personality.

#114 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-18 10:12 AM | Reply

-He is not the all powerful boogeyman you make him out to be.

Some People need to blame and complain and blame and complain

No matter what. No matter the problem. No matter the solution.

Political blaming. It all boils down to political differences.

Everything ... ..

#115 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

-THEY ARE MURDERERS!

All of them? Or just the ones who voted for Trump?

#116 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 10:18 AM | Reply

I don't believe tens of millions "worship him" (Trump)

#113 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 A

Whereas I see it as being perfectly evident that many Christians place Trump ahead of Christ.

#117 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-18 10:20 AM | Reply

It all boils down to political differences.

#115 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yeah, I know. All so trivial.

In 1933 you were going to Dachau. It would have only been a matter of time.

#118 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-18 10:22 AM | Reply

So a friend of mine lives with her ninety-year-old mother. She won't get vaccinated because she "heard something". As soon as my friend contracts COVID, her mother is a dead woman. The only thing that's saved both of them is that, even in this part of Texas, people are getting their shots.

#119 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-18 10:26 AM | Reply

119

How did your friend and her mom escape COVID the first time around?

#120 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 10:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

118

Back to the nazi references ... ..LOL

#121 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 10:29 AM | Reply

-None of the reasons the unvaccinated have for their behavior are valid.

I saw strong attempts to validate some reasons last night.

#122 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 10:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Can you Give me ONE QUOTE of Trump discouraging anyone from getting vaccinated, or disparaging the vaccine in any way?"

Not directly, no, but Trump did sometimes say publicly that covid was likely the flu, and many people forego flu shots and are just fine. Take, for example, the woman I quoted in #46:

Morris said that she decided against vaccinations for both herself and Caia due to misinformation .
"I just had a false sense of security that it was just like the flu and it wasn't that serious. Obviously it is that serious and it was that serious. Now, I can see," she said.

All The Times Trump Compared Covid-19 To The Flu, Even After He Knew Covid-19 Was Far More Deadly
www.forbes.com

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's faulty claims on flu and coronavirus
apnews.com

Fresh out of Walter Reed, Trump compares Covid to the flu. Experts say he's flat wrong.
Facebook removed a similar post on Trump's page for having spread misinformation.
www.nbcnews.com

I think it is fair to say that, in addition to his misinformation regarding the seriousness of the coronavirus, Trump didn't encourage people to get the vaccine as forcefully and convincingly as he could have, including by releasing a photo of him and Melania getting their shots.

#123 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-18 10:33 AM | Reply

How did your friend and her mom escape COVID the first time around?

#120 | POSTED BY EBERLY

The Grace of God.

But don't worry. Both of them are still playing on the freeway. That not putting the Lord thy God to the test thing is lost on them.

#124 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-18 10:35 AM | Reply

I saw strong attempts to validate some reasons last night.

#122 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Sure.

But emphatic idiots remain idiots.

#125 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-18 10:36 AM | Reply

Back to the nazi references ...

#121 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I make it a point of referencing Nazis every time I encounter one. They aren't a rare species anymore.

#126 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-18 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I make it a point of referencing Nazis every time I got nothing"

FT

#127 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 10:38 AM | Reply

I don't believe tens of millions "worship him" (Trump)

#113 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 A

During the 01/06 attack on the Capitol, Trumpites were waving banners saying "TRUMP" and "JESUS".

#128 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-18 10:39 AM | Reply

#127 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT

It's fascists who behave this way. EBERLY. All millions of them need to overtly identify themselves as being Nazis is for Trump to say he's one.

#129 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-18 10:41 AM | Reply

Here's an interesting tweet thread about the 3 categories of people not getting vaccinated:

Hey everyone having politicized arguments about vaccine hesitancy/refusal:
Are you sure you're talking about the same people? Let me explain.
Broadly three categories not getting shots:

twitter.com

Basically, 1) the ideological anti-vaxxers who are on both the left and right politically; 2) the vaccine hesitant also on fall all along the political spectrum; and 3) "Partisans and culture warriors[.] For them, politics is a big factor."

The partisans and culture warriors are the ones who may know better themselves (has Tucker Carlson, e.g., been vaccinated?) but who are actively misinforming and leading others astray.

#130 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-18 10:41 AM | Reply

-I don't believe tens of millions "worship him" (Trump)

The only guy who occupied the WH who was probably believed to be worshiped at a creepy level was Obama.

Not that he actually was. The accusations were thrown out every day and it appears he was considered the Messiah.

People were so moved by Obama and he was quite influential

It was admirable. I respected Obama greatly.

But I didn't worship him

#131 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 10:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But don't worry. Both of them are still playing on the freeway. That not putting the Lord thy God to the test thing is lost on them."

That is another category I would add: the religiously inclined who think God will protect/save them. These folks, too, fall along the political spectrum.

#132 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-18 10:44 AM | Reply

I wish these 4 states would announce a deadline and a vaccination goal. In 14 days, we need an additional 70K vaccinated or we start instituting shutdowns, masks, etc for example

But they're going to let it go

#133 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 10:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Trump is at least partly responsible for the vaccines rapid development"

True.

"and Dems are at least partly responsible for casting doubt on its safety, particularly prior to the election."

I hope you aren't referring to the Harris quote when she said that she wouldn't take Trump's word for it that the vaccines were safe but would wait for the experts to confirm it. She wasn't casting doubt on vaccine safety per se but on Trump's expertise and honesty with regard to such matters. Everyone who listened to what she actually said and didn't automatically take Trump's word alone for anything got that.

#134 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-18 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#134 Trump wasn't responsible for Pfizer, which is the better performing vaccine, but I will give Fauci credit for helping other vaccines progress.

#135 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-18 12:37 PM | Reply

Louisiana repug blames Biden for red state --------- abysmal vaccination rate.

www.newsweek.com

#136 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2021-07-18 05:53 PM | Reply

Eberly,

I can't believe you are fighting upstream about minorities and trust with vaccines.

You are losing a battle that will kill your credibility for life.

Please learn.

#137 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-18 06:39 PM | Reply

61
Didn't see the word "trust" once.
#65 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You didn't ask about trust.

You asked what are vaccination rates for ther vaccines among blacks compared to whites.

Science answered:

Purpose
The objective of this study is to assess adult vaccination by race/ethnicity in the United States.

#138 | Posted by Snoofy at 2021-07-18 07:02 PM | Reply

If you want to attack some for not being vaccinated but excuse and even victimize others for not being vaccinated (based solely on political affiliation) then be my guest.

The virus doesn't care

And if this resurgence is as strong as it's being reported then it's going to run through inner cities and democrats are going to be spreading and dying from this.

I'm not predicting anything but it won't surprise me to learn that in the end, you won't be running your mouth with "thanks Republicans".

You'll STFU.

#139 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 07:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-You are losing a battle

LOL ... ..posting here is hardly a battle. Not a fight.

I mean ... with you it's a "battle"?

LOL

It's recreation.

#140 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 07:06 PM | Reply

It's recreation.
#140 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's anonymous stupidity, which is only slight different from the known stupidity.

I would call it more of a barometer than recreation, but if being obtuse for fun and thrills works for you...

#141 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-18 07:09 PM | Reply

"And if this resurgence is as strong as it's being reported then it's going to run through inner cities and democrats are going to be spreading and dying from this."

That's already happening.

The Republican strategy to let it wash over America unchecked is working as planned.

Take a victory lap. This is what your party wanted to happen.

#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-18 07:21 PM | Reply

"but if being obtuse for fun.."

well, guilty as charged. I'm referring to my postings....not my position on this issue.

You and others here are taking the position that it's all politics as to why red state folks are unvaccinated. fair enough, as it appears to a relevant factor.

But then when another group that's not conservative aren't vaccinated well then it's not about politics....it's about trust.

In order to make this all about politics, you're willing to make one side's unvaccination problem politics and the other side.....not

It doesn't become apparent to you that it's not all about politics for either side.

Instead.....it remains all about politics when you say things like "---- them...hope they die...they deserve it" but then you don't have to guts to say the same thing when you realize it's not all trumpers who aren't vaccinated.

Perhaps a little obtuse as well.........

#143 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 07:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-You are losing a battle that will kill your credibility for life.

I missed this comment........wait...what?

what does that mean?

#144 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 07:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But then when another group that's not conservative aren't vaccinated well then it's not about politics....it's about trust."

That's still politics, Eberly.

Also, plenty of whites... I mean "conservatives" fall into the trust category.

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-18 08:07 PM | Reply

"In order to make this all about politics, you're willing to make one side's unvaccination problem politics and the other side.....not"

The politics that gives rise to mistrust is part and parcel of systemic racism.

That's the part you can't wrap your head around, and have chosen to deflect with a layered emotional defense.

For example, the Tuskegee thing that has you giggling like a ten year old boy when they hear about "breast cancer" on the nightly news.

Congratulations, you built that!

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-18 08:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've read the thread.

Beverly is a vile POS.

#147 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-07-18 08:45 PM | Reply

Yikes.

Angry little boy wants attention.

#148 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-18 08:56 PM | Reply

Congratulations, -------!

#149 | Posted by Jaspar at 2021-07-18 10:05 PM | Reply

"What reasons do minorities have to not trust the medical system?"
In 1932, the USPHS, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began a study to record the natural history of syphilis. It was originally called the "Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male" (now referred to as the "USPHS Syphilis Study at Tuskegee").
^
Stuff like that.

#40 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It was horrible! I did volunteer work at the Tuskegee VA Hospital from 1966 until 1969 (the experiment continued until 1972). I worked in the medical photography department that documented the lesions in "living color". It was a horror show! They told these people they were being treated, while the doctors were merely documented the untreated progress of the disease. My daughter almost bled out during childbirth (4 yrs ago) because a white doctor ignored her symptoms. A black (female) doctor caught the problem and sent her to the OR immediately. The doctor told her she could have died. Also did you hear about what happened to Serena Williams in childbirth? Did you know doctors don't give painkillers to black people because they believe we are all "drug-seekers"?

Black people, by and large, receive inferior service or downright mistreatment from the medical industry. But you're surprised that many blacks don't trust them. Did you know that many black people don't trust white people period? It is not without reason.

#150 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-18 10:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Did you know that many black people don't trust white people period?"

Eberly and Boaz hear that, and decide it means black people are racist.

#151 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-19 12:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Don't trust" =/= "Hate"

Especially when distrust is historically justified. Whites, OTOH, have no real reason to distrust blacks.

#152 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-19 01:18 AM | Reply

"Whites, OTOH, have no real reason to distrust blacks."

You might want to check the violent crime stats before you continue with that line of reasoning.

#153 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2021-07-19 02:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#148 | Posted by eberly

Got yours, I reckon...

---- face.

#154 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-07-19 07:11 AM | Reply

Anyone else catch the public service announcements with Trump telling his supporters, "I got the jab, after nearly dying. Think about it."

No, me either.

#155 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-07-19 07:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Whites, OTOH, have no real reason to distrust blacks."
You might want to check the violent crime stats before you continue with that line of reasoning.
#153 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

By that logic, whites have no real reason to trust whites. Especially white men. White women in particular should not trust white men. Moreso if they are white men who own guns.

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-19 07:39 AM | Reply

Whites, OTOH, have no real reason to distrust blacks."

Agreed. But what does that matter?

Who's is asking them to?

#157 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-19 08:16 AM | Reply

"It doesn't become apparent to you that it's not all about politics for either side."

It's not as I've tried to demonstrate, but there is a segment within the Republican party for whom it is all about politics. Take, for example, the folks who cheered at CPAC when the speaker mentioned Biden wouldn't reach his call for a 70% vaccination rate in the US by July 4th. I see no equivalent pollicization of vaccinations on the other side of the aisle.

#158 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-19 08:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Who's is asking them to?
#157 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Anyone who makes the argument "You might want to check the violent crime stats before you continue with that line of reasoning" is saying whites should not trust blacks.

#159 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-19 09:51 AM | Reply

I have stood at street corners waiting to cross only to see white drivers close their windows and lock their doors when they see me. Did I mention that I was a "professional" working for one of the biggest Fortune 500 companies and was wearing a suit and tie and carrying a briefcase? Is that why blacks including Obama and Eric Holder report being "hassled" by cops in their youth and young adulthood even when they were practicing attorneys.

Blacks would love to be judged as individuals, like white people are.

#160 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-19 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Blacks would love to be judged as individuals, like white people are."

Miranda7 prefers to judge you by the actions of violent criminals who are also black.

#161 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-19 11:00 AM | Reply

They are quite willing to make and/or accept blanket statements about blacks, but unwilling to do the same about whites. What's up with that? Couldn't be racism, could it?

#162 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-19 11:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

-I have stood at street corners waiting to cross only to see white drivers close their windows and lock their doors when they see me.

Where were you when you experienced this?

What city(s)?

#163 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-19 11:28 AM | Reply

WTF Eberly.

#164 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-19 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm not denying he has experienced this, snoofy.

don't misunderstand a question as something it's not. It's a practice where you render yourself the most despised poster here.

Stop doing that.

I want to know the city. I'll bet it wasn't Tulsa, or Little Rock.

it was one of those enlightened cities full of compassionate liberals.....who roll up the windows in fear...

#165 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-19 11:36 AM | Reply

Where were you when you experienced this?
What city(s)?

#163 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Los Angeles, in the downtown financial district. I was an IBM Systems Engineer in a Large Systems sales branch, calling on customers like Union Oil, Chevron, and Exxon Mobil. This was in the early 80's.

#166 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-19 11:41 AM | Reply

Every black man I have ever known has had similar experiences. Some black women, too. A friend of mine was pulled over by cops in her Corvette. They made her get out of the car and dump her purse and sit on the ground cuffed. Then they discovered in her purse the funeral program for her father who was a prominent dentist (and could afford to buy his daughter a Corvette), indicating the attendance of Tom Bradley (Mayor of Los Angeles at the time). They let her go with an apology. The only reason they stopped her was they assumed the car was stolen.

#167 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-19 11:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thanks Whodaman....

#168 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-19 11:47 AM | Reply

"it was one of those enlightened cities full of compassionate liberals.....who roll up the windows in fear..."

It was a major city with major players.
Which is why it wasn't Tulsa or Little Rock.

#169 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-19 11:48 AM | Reply

I want to know the city. I'll bet it wasn't Tulsa, or Little Rock.

I've had similar experiences (as have friends and family) in Raleigh, NC, too.

#170 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-19 11:48 AM | Reply

When it comes to discussion of racism unfortunately most white people, including the "well-meaning" ones, don't actually have a clue as to racism. They have no skin in the game (pun not intentional, just necessary). Just like most men don't have a clue about misogyny, for the same reason. You don't have to believe me, ask a woman.

#171 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-19 11:53 AM | Reply

Also funny (not ha-ha) that the victims of racism and sexism are always viewed as suspect. We have to question whether they should be believed. Why is that not true for all crimes? How do we judge which victims to believe (racism and sexism are deeply embedded in these judgments)?

#172 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-19 11:57 AM | Reply

Eberly, serious question here:

Every time you show your ass on a thread being either intentionally obtuse or act like you are learning about a major societal ill for the first time, do you make that Tucker Carlson Doh-face? You do in my head.

In fact, I'm starting to read all of your posts in that voice now. You cannot have missed all of this in your 40-50 some years of life. Not even in Kanas.

#173 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-19 01:06 PM | Reply

"do you make that Tucker Carlson Doh-face?"

don't know....I never watch him.

Maybe that's your problem.

#174 | Posted by eberly at 2021-07-19 01:19 PM | Reply

#173 - I'm going to try that! LMAO!

#175 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-19 01:33 PM | Reply

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