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It's bad enough when ignorant Americans mettle in foreign affairs but when their doing so enables communism and other totalitarian systems it's inexcusable.

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I live in a current communist country (there aren't many left). Until they passed the capitalist reforms in the 90's, the nation was starving and a net importer of rice - which has been a staple product here for 1000's of years. Now, there is a huge excess of rice and the economy is booming even in the face of covid. Although it is officially a 'one party state', communism as an economic ideology is dead. And for those claiming we need communism to stop corruption or influence of big business, I can assure you that changing the economic system will not solve the problems you outlined, only change the name of the one causing the harm.

#1 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-18 11:41 PM | Reply

I live in a current communist country (there aren't many left). Until they passed the capitalist reforms in the 90's, the nation was starving and a net importer of rice - which has been a staple product here for 1000's of years. Now, there is a huge excess of rice and the economy is booming even in the face of covid. Although it is officially a 'one party state', communism as an economic ideology is dead. And for those claiming we need communism to stop corruption or influence of big business, I can assure you that changing the economic system will not solve the problems you outlined, only change the name of the one causing the harm.

#2 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-18 11:43 PM | Reply

Communism had its chance and failed. American conservatism likewise had its chance and failed. Both can go to hell.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-19 08:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

knowing that communism and progressivism are very similar, when do the lefties go to hell?

#4 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-07-19 08:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 5 | Newsworthy 1

"knowing that communism and progressivism are very similar"

What in the world is very similar about those two things?

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-19 09:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Fester ain't gonna answer. Just ignore his dumbass.

The headline could have been shorter:

"American Need To Learn..."

#6 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2021-07-19 03:50 PM | Reply

knowing that communism and progressivism are very similar, when do the lefties go to hell?

#4 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Knowing that your head is full of propaganda from paid liars, when would anyone ever listen to you?

Your cult can't deny that it is fascist, so it lies and says the other side is communist.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-19 05:03 PM | Reply

Almost a century ago people were so obsessed with fighting totalitarian communism that they embraced totalitarian fascism.

I can see the reverse happen as we fight Trumpism which is domestic fascism.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-19 06:48 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"What in the world is very similar about those two things?"

I don't agree with either of them.

Does that answer you question?

#9 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-07-19 06:57 PM | Reply

I don't agree with mushrooms on pizza.
Does that make communism a topping?

#10 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-19 07:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#9 If that's his answer (or yours) I'd say it confirms my worst fears. As Bored elucidated and explored with erudite eloquence and expedition.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-19 07:13 PM | Reply

The problem with communism is the required violent totalitarianism, propaganda, ignorance, inevitable corruption and resulting economic inefficiencies.

All ideologies suffer from some of these.

The solutions are democracy, free press, public schools, rule of law, free markets and regulations that protect the weak.

#12 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-19 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Communism had none of the solutions, progressivism has all of them.

They could not be more different.

#13 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-19 07:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Bored,

"I don't agree with mushrooms on pizza.
Does that make communism a topping?"

Or Nazism a fashion?
Germans soldiers had some pretty slick uniforms but the arm band clashed.

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-07-19 07:25 PM | Reply

Or Nazism a fashion?
Germans soldiers had some pretty slick uniforms but the arm band clashed.

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson

Funny joke. But speaking of nazis, why do modern nazis love the same ex president that you do?

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-19 07:44 PM | Reply

All the Frauleins like a sharp dressed Nazi. Hitler needed babies.

#16 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-19 09:12 PM | Reply

Economic disparity is the precursor to communist or any overthrow of governments. It's what revolutions are made from. Even if the capitalist win it's a victory with tragic results. Mexico still hasn't recovered from the damage the revolution caused their nation. Raggedy capitalism intact they have had to instigate some socialistic policies to negate the corrosive effects of capitalism keeping the majority in a whithering cycle of poverty.

#17 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-07-19 10:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Reading these comments, it is pretty obvious that none of you have ever lived in a communist country. Frankly, it sounds like you never visited one or spent any time talking their their former residents. Communism is a workable solution in only one place on earth - academia.

#18 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-20 12:21 AM | Reply

Frankly, it sounds like you never visited one or spent any time talking their their former residents. Communism is a workable solution in only one place on earth - academia.

#18 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR AT 2021-07-20 12:21 AM | FLAG PPPFFFFTTTTTT

The same can be said of capitalism which insists on a slave class but pretends it doesn't... or pretends it's the slave's fault for not being ambitious enough to join the right country club.

Hence all the periodic civil wars and revolutions wiping out entire civilizations.

I have talked to plenty of people who lived through the communist experience and it is a mixed bag of perceptions. Some of them are good... some not so good. Mexico is a capitalist nation and we all know how well it works for EVERYONE there... same with India...

Capitalism requires and employs as much violence and inhumanity to achieve its lofty goals on track. It wasn't communists polluting Flint Michigan's water system... or pinkos letting people freeze to death in Texas last winter... or chopping children's arms off so they can sell some pretty rocks given value by an advertising agency.

Don't get me started on the wars we fought to keep big oil profitable. Lots of killing and maiming going on there.

#19 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-07-20 07:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Right,

Blah blah blah....capitalism.

Yea...it's got a lot of built-in problems but the government playing Robin Hood ain't the solution.

It's pretty evident what spoon feeding does to grown adults over time generation after generation.

They lose hope because their lives actually become hopeless with no way out.

Life with dignity is earned...not given.

#20 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-07-20 10:34 AM | Reply

It's pretty evident what spoon feeding does to grown adults over time generation after generation.
They lose hope because their lives actually become hopeless with no way out.
Life with dignity is earned...not given.

#20 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Ok, Boomer.

Tell that to millennials who went through booming college costs, booming housing costs, low wages, and the two worst recessions in 80 years. Boomers saw long, large economic growth, huge wage increases, college that could be paid for with a summer job, and they could get a low skill job right out of high school that let them buy a house and start a family.

Tell me again how millennials and Gen Z'ers are hopeless because of government spoon feeding rather than boomers ------- them through government and capitalism.

You've made damn sure millennials and Gen Z'ers have to work (literally) five to ten times as hard to earn the same "dignity" that you were handed (not earned), boomer.

#21 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-07-20 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's bad enough when ignorant Americans mettle in foreign affairs but when their doing so enables communism and other totalitarian systems it's inexcusable."

Nixon did that.
And every President since.
The only President who came close to attaching US foreign policy was Jimmy Carter. American business people complained it was bad for business.

Why are the Saudis our allies?
Because we don't have a national energy policy.
America produces enough oil but we still import oil.
Because the oil that America produces does not belong to America.
It belongs to XOM, BP, RDS.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-20 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's pretty evident what spoon feeding does to grown adults over time generation after generation.
#20 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Can we see some of this evidence?

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-20 12:08 PM | Reply

"Economic disparity is the precursor to communist or any overthrow of governments. It's what revolutions are made from."

That's not really true.

Revolutions tend to be started by smarter members of a more prviledged class who believe themselves entitled to more than they can get on their own.

www.economist.com

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-20 02:30 PM | Reply

It's pretty evident what spoon feeding does to grown adults over time generation after generation.

They lose hope because their lives actually become hopeless with no way out.

Life with dignity is earned...not given.

#20 | Posted by BillJohnson

You know your cult leader is a spoiled rich kid who's never worked a day in his life right and had to have his daddy bail out all his failures, right?

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-20 02:40 PM | Reply

Sy,

I do feel sorry for young people today.

There's been lots written since the 80's about problems projected many of which have come to fruition.

America had a responsibility to be a good steward and got lost somewhere between greed for money and lust for power.

Politicians and marketers all vying for attention and making promises if you just will become their disciples and advocates.

We've been fooled.

#26 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-07-20 04:15 PM | Reply

Speak,

You're a moron for believing Trump is the cause of all this crap.

You're looking for a scapegoat and he's just the current stand-in.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-07-20 04:18 PM | Reply

He's done his part to cause this crap, BillJohnson.

Credit where credit is due.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-20 04:21 PM | Reply

Speak,

There are spoiled rich people all across America but you focus on just one?

#29 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-07-20 04:22 PM | Reply

"America had a responsibility to be a good steward and got lost somewhere between greed for money and lust for power."

The word you're looking for is:
Capitalism.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-20 04:22 PM | Reply

"There are spoiled rich people all across America but you focus on just one?"

There are drug dealers all over Mexico but we focused on El Chapo?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-20 04:23 PM | Reply

Socialism is an older system defined as workers owning the means of production. In reality, the proletariat was woefully unequip to own or manage and sort of complex enterprise, the the first expanded socialist state, the Soviet Union owned the factories and managed them on behalf of the workers. And organization known as GOZPLAN was tasked with setting costs, wages, and quotas for everything. This is the socialism of Cuba. And it's pretty much in direct conflict with many Americans who call themselves "socialists," but are wholly reliant on capitalism to make it happen.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-20 04:23 PM | Reply

"Socialism is an older system defined as workers owning the means of production."

Like Avis Car Rental, and The Green Bay Packers.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-20 04:26 PM | Reply

Speak,

There are spoiled rich people all across America but you focus on just one?

#29 | Posted by BillJohnson

I focus on your hipocrisy. Whining about people not working and having to earn dignity, while giving your passionate support for a leader who has done none of that.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-20 05:19 PM | Reply

Socialism is an older system defined as workers owning the means of production. In reality, the proletariat was woefully unequip to own or manage and sort of complex enterprise, the the first expanded socialist state, the Soviet Union owned the factories and managed them on behalf of the workers. And organization known as GOZPLAN was tasked with setting costs, wages, and quotas for everything. This is the socialism of Cuba. And it's pretty much in direct conflict with many Americans who call themselves "socialists," but are wholly reliant on capitalism to make it happen.

#32 | Posted by madbomber

Focusing on socialism and communism is a semantic game played by your cult, because you have nothing to offer voters. All you can do is scare them with scary labels about the other side.

The only way you can get them to support your fascist party is by tricking them into thinking the other side is a communist party.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-20 05:21 PM | Reply

Reading these comments, it is pretty obvious that none of you have ever lived in a communist country. Frankly, it sounds like you never visited one or spent any time talking their their former residents. Communism is a workable solution in only one place on earth - academia.

#18 | Posted by ebayrepair

Not sure which comments you were speaking to however, I have several family members who made it out of Poland in the 80s, I know many Eastern European immigrants and my wife is from a former Communist country. I agree TRUE communism is a utopia of sorts that only works in the minds of some academics. I certainly don't see how the system functions because it has an inherent weakness - man. TRUE communism has never been implemented to the best of my knowledge. Totalitarian Dictatorships masquerading as communism? Sure. FREE REIGN Capitalism does not work either. Where do you think all the regulations that people have been brainwashed to think are evil came from? Not to mention things like the inheritance tax. Massive generational wealth is not good for Democratic or Capitalist nations. Some of the older communists I know wax nostalgic about something here and there but when you bring up the lines and nothing being available and being afraid of your neighbors spying on you, etc - that reality brings them back to why they were so glad it is gone.

What works BEST so far? Capitalism with strong Social protections. Not just social programs but putting people over corporations as well. Perhaps the problem in the USA for example is money in politics. That needs to end. It leads to things like the massive wealth disparities we are seeing today. While bomber's article is correct, it is just one piece of the puzzle. RightisTrite is correct as well - about Free Reign Capitalism. "Economic disparity is the precursor to communist or any overthrow of governments." You cannot argue with that look at recent history. It gives those elites the people to make things happen.

I personally think the people of Western Europe lead mostly very solid and fulfilling lives with their strong protections of the average person. I have seen it with my own eyes and am looking for a good opportunity there as I am tired of 60 hour work weeks, insurance that may be worse than nothing and costs an arm and a leg, etc. Sure there are some negatives as well but working to LIVE is not a bad thing versus living to work.

China is currently a dictatorship that is posing as a communist nation with "controlled" and "limited" capitalism. They figured out people need an incentive to work and make things happen. The problem is they are dealing with the same issues as we have when it comes to "capitalism" without proper restraint. That and you can disappear for just about anything...

#36 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-20 06:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gal,

"Capitalism with strong Social protections"

Each are dependent on the other.

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-07-20 07:27 PM | Reply

Each are dependent on the other.

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson

Does germany have both? What would you call that?

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-20 08:07 PM | Reply

Speak,

Get back under your bridge.

#39 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2021-07-20 08:27 PM | Reply

Speak,

Get back under your bridge.

#39 | Posted by BillJohnson

Maybe you should try another site where you wont be asked to defend your positions. If you can't support what you say, this will be a frustrating place for you.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-20 08:34 PM | Reply

#38

I'm not an expert on Germany political, social and economic issues but from my understanding yes they do have both strong social protections and capitalism.

I agree with Bill on this one capitalism without social protections will fail because capital tends to chew up the workers like any other commodity it uses. Social protections without capital support are just empty promises.

Honestly this feels so basic to me I don't really understand what you are arguing against.

#41 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-07-20 09:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Each are dependent on the other.

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson

Not sure what you are saying but there must be balance are for a successful nation and people that are not slaves. IMHO. Well along with a true democracy as well.

The closest thing I can think of calling it is Stakeholder Capitalism - you take care of everyone who has a stake. Whereas today and since the 80s we have moved into Shareholder Capitalism - maximize every penny for the stockholder now. Hedrick Smith gave a great talk on this among other things "Who Stole the American Dream?" available here. BTW Shareholder Capitalism has no legal basis which I found interesting, it's just a concept that took hold among conservatives.

#42 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-20 09:26 PM | Reply

Does germany have both? What would you call that?

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

PRECISELY. Germany is a great example. Even with the reunification and large section of Germany coming out of a failed forced communist form of governing they managed to make it work. They have their problems like most countries but people first - not corporations. And they have plenty of major corporations...

#43 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-20 09:28 PM | Reply

Corporations ARE people my friend. Ask any oligarch.They have no legal liabilities,the individuals who make them up are protected from their individual liabilities by the Molach that is,The Corporation. The corporation itself is never to blame either. The perfect shell game; and they have all the rights of individuals whole protecting actual people from any legal or civil jeopordy.

And they Vote.Their massive sums of anonymus money are speech.

Just ask the SCOTUS.

#44 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-07-21 12:06 AM | Reply

"Economic disparity is the precursor to communist or any overthrow of governments. It's what revolutions are made from."
That's not really true.
Revolutions tend to be started by smarter members of a more prviledged class who believe themselves entitled to more than they can get on their own.

www.economist.com
#24 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2021-07-20 02:30 PM | FLAG PPPPFFFFFTTTTT

Typical... use an op-ed in an op-ed rag about the economy and other nonsensicals.

French, Russian, Chinese, Mexican, American started economic disparity I don't give a rat@$$ if occasionally some disenchanted rich kid like Che Guevera or Ossama bin Laden come along to "provide leadership" and funds to the unwashed masses. It is the rabble that fights the battle... the frat brat instigator is just a famous face in the crowd.

and wtf does "more than they can get on their own" mean? There is no "get on their own" in that world.The point in that world is to take it from others.

#45 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-07-21 05:13 AM | Reply

Does germany have both? What would you call that?

#38 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-07-20 08:07 PM | FLAG:

A Federal Parliamentary Republic with a capitalist economic system and constitutionally protected individual liberty.

Communism is the abolition of private property. Socialism is the transition to communism, which should take 400-500 years according to Marx. In practice, everywhere Socialism as a road to Communism is implemented, the first piece of private property to go is your individual liberty.

#46 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-21 08:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

We'll teach you how Communism is evil overseas.

But we won't teach you how the KKK is evil here.

#47 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-07-21 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#47 - Cancel culture has its dark side.

#48 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-21 01:40 PM | Reply

"But we won't teach you how the KKK is evil here.
#47 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT"

Which country do you live in? Clearly not the US.

#49 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-21 02:03 PM | Reply

what?
LEARN about something, when we can just throw terms out all over the internet willy-nilly for ad hominem attacks?

NEVER!

--Illiterate America--

#50 | Posted by e1g1 at 2021-07-21 02:03 PM | Reply

Speak, Get back under your bridge.

#39 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2021-07-20 08:27 PM | FLAG: TROLL CALLING THE GOBLIN GREEN

#51 | Posted by e1g1 at 2021-07-21 02:05 PM | Reply

"Like Avis Car Rental, and The Green Bay Packers."

Not really, Those relationships are voluntary. And the state doesn't manage their affais

Which brings up a good point. You can have an enterprise where the workers own the means of production in a free market society. That's no big deal. It's still private ownership.

Under a socialist government private ownership wouldn't, or shouldn't be allowed, as it contradicts everything socialism stands for.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-21 02:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Focusing on socialism and communism is a semantic game played by your cult, because you have nothing to offer voters."

My "cult?"

Dude, if you want to trade out with someone in Cuba, you might just be able to catch the last vestiges of socialism. It's not likely to survive much longer.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-21 02:09 PM | Reply

"I'm not an expert on Germany political, social and economic issues but from my understanding yes they do have both strong social protections and capitalism."

Yup.

Just like the United States and every other western country.

But that's not socialism.

People here always get pissed when anyone refers to Hitler as a socialist. History tells us that at one point he was, but by the time he was running the German Reich, he was as much a socialist as Bernie Sanders or AOC. All of them were reliant on capitalism to fund their efforts. Hitler had a lot more state control, as in common in wartime, so he was closer to being a socialist than either of the latter, in that they are 100% reliant on capitalism to fund their efforts.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-21 02:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Honestly this feels so basic to me I don't really understand what you are arguing against."

I think it's because I've taken a bunch of econ classes. You haven't.

And what you're doing is conflating capitalism and the free market. Capitalism is simply an economic system where people can invest in the hope of a profit...with the risk of a loss. It's the markets that determine wages. Demand relative to supply. And the reason that low skilled workers earn less than high skilled workers is the market is full of low skilled workers. Few, if any on this site would be ineligible for a position flipping burgers or mopping floors. But there are far fewer who would be able to install fireplaces, which I believe is how you earn your keep.

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-21 02:17 PM | Reply

"I think it's because I've taken a bunch of econ classes. You haven't."

MadBomber had to go to college to learn how to be this dumb.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-21 02:19 PM | Reply

"The closest thing I can think of calling it is Stakeholder Capitalism - you take care of everyone who has a stake."

How do you define "stake?"

I would define it as someone who has a direct relationship with the enterprise. So in economic terms, land, labor, and capital.

But what you're describing already happens. Usually. Land is remunerated with payments for usage. Labor earns a wage or salary. Capital earns a profit. The difference is that land and labor are compensated regardless of company performance. Capital only gets paid when the company turns a profit. Furthermore, if you're a supplier of raw materials (land) or labor, you don't lose out if a firm goes under. Your labor and raw materials can be sold elsewhere. Whereas a failing company may mean the permanent loss of capital.

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-21 02:22 PM | Reply

"Even with the reunification and large section of Germany coming out of a failed forced communist form of governing they managed to make it work."

Make what work?

Are you lamenting the failure of socialism in Germany?

The DDR had a fraction of the standard of living as those in the Federal Republic.

#58 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-21 02:24 PM | Reply

"Socialism is the transition to communism"

Ehhh...are you sure. I thought it was the other way around.

Communism was Marx's mechanism to achieve socialism.

I could be wrong though. I did a lazy Google search but all I could turn up was sites comparing the two. Not relating them.

#59 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-21 02:26 PM | Reply

"MadBomber had to go to college to learn how to be this dumb."

Me and millions of others.

I guess you ain't need no larnin.

#60 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-21 02:27 PM | Reply

"Capitalism is simply an economic system where people can invest in the hope of a profit...with the risk of a loss."

So long as "people" doesn't mean the same thing people means in "We The People."

"How do you define "stake?"

A share of stock, or other direct holding of a company's assets.

"I would define it as someone who has a direct relationship with the enterprise. So in economic terms, land, labor, and capital."

And you'd be wrong. A laborer is not a stakeholder. A laborer is a consumable commodity. It's one of the things a Capitalist invests in, in hopes of turning a profit.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-21 02:29 PM | Reply

The only people who waste time discussing communism in america in 2021 are morons brainwashed by con men to think liberals want to bring communism to america.

When your party is undeniably the cult of a fascist con man, you have to convince people the other choice is worse, so you lie and say they're communists.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-21 02:41 PM | Reply

"A share of stock, or other direct holding of a company's assets."

No, Snoofy. That would be a shareholder.

"And you'd be wrong. A laborer is not a stakeholder."

This is one of those moments when you would have benefitted from taking an economics course.

But let me ask. If labor is not a stakeholder, then what about the other factors of production?

#63 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-21 03:19 PM | Reply

Are they stakeholders?

If so, why? And why is labor any different than land or capital?

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-21 03:19 PM | Reply

#57 | Posted by madbomber
#58 | Posted by madbomber
Et al.

- Stakeholder Capitalism - I would post a LMGTFY link but I am feeling lazy and will say "Google is your friend padawan and I posted a link".
- "Are you lamenting the failure of socialism in Germany?" No and don't be a simpleton. There is no "socialism" in Germany and has not been in reunified Germany. Germany however has strong social protections and believes in the people's rights over corporations. They protect the weakest in society. That in my belief is how to best measure a society - what do they do to protect the weakest members of society. The US is quite the opposite I am afraid unfairly protecting the most wealthy and powerful instead. I was raised under the theory welfare is evil. It isn't are some who trapped in the welfare cycle yes but we don't help them out of the cycle. We help perpetuate that very literally through racism and other means. Germany is resisting heading that way but the influx of foreigners is the challenge.

Maybe I am drunk but your posts strike me as lazy, ill informed and particularly annoying tonight.

#65 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-21 09:52 PM | Reply

MadBomber. You are simply wrong. An employee is not a stakeholder. Stop embarrassing yourself.

www.fool.com

What is a "stake?"
A stake is often used to describe the amount of stock an investor owns, and this is certainly a correct way to use the word. If you own stock in a given company, your stake represents the percentage of its stock that you own.

However, a stake doesn't necessarily need to refer to stock ownership. Rather, "stake" is a more general term used to convey partial ownership in a company. As an example, if you and a business partner decide to buy an investment property together, you could say that you both own a stake in the property even though there's no formal stock structure. In addition, bondholders are considered stakeholders in a company because they stand to benefit if the company performs well.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-21 10:12 PM | Reply

"Germany however has strong social protections and believes in the people's rights over corporations."

Yep.

Pretty much just like the US. And most other western countries.

You don't really know what you're talking about. You've been spoonfed notions on Western European socialism that are false. You can't tell that because you've never lived here, or know anyone who has.

Germany is very, very, very similar to the US economically. The biggest difference, from my vantage point, is that the government taxes the ---- out of services they don't really want you to use. Mostly energy-related.

But the beer is cheaper than water.

#67 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-22 11:57 AM | Reply

#66

You're out of your element here, Donnie.

stakeholder
[stkhld'r]

NOUN

1. (in gambling) an independent party with whom each of those who make a wager deposits the money or counters wagered.

2.a person with an interest or concern in something, especially a business.
--denoting a type of organization or system in which all the members or participants are seen as having an interest in its success.
--"a stakeholder economy"

www.bing.com

I am a stakeholder in my community, because I live here. What happens to my community effects me.

Maybe you should use some of your ample free time and pursue larnin.

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-22 11:59 AM | Reply

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