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Wednesday, July 21, 2021

Alexi McCammond: With control of the House and Senate on the bubble, many ambitious Democrats -- from the South to the Midwest to the Rockies -- are running against their own national party's image.

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Several consultants insisted that Democratic policies " on labor rights, broadband, climate and infrastructure " are popular in rural areas. It's the messaging that's causing heartburn.

Context: These concerns aren't new. Some Democratic leaders have long warned that the language of the left hurts Democrats in swing and rural districts. Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) discouraged "defund the police."

You can also add "whiteness" and using "white supremacy" in a synonymous way, as well as "privilege" education to that.

#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-20 03:42 PM | Reply

stupid to try to become 'Republican Light' in these areas...

preach the childcare bill just passed, pass the jobs/economics bill
and preach jobs, preach unity of community, and we will pull through
the tough times together...

stay away from entanglements in social issues.
(black lives matter, abortion rights, etc...)

most people (outside of the Christian Right) vote their
pocketbook anyways.

#2 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-07-21 08:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

stupid to try to become 'Republican Light'...
#2 | Posted by earthmuse

I couldn't agree more. Whenever the Dems try to pander to the deplorables they just look stupid and usually lose anyway. Run on accomplishments and policy.

#3 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-07-21 09:08 AM | Reply

"are running against their own national party's image."

you are all correct. Democrats have to mislead, lie and deceive in order to win

this article and posts are a perfect admission who the Democrats are

#4 | Posted by Maverick at 2021-07-21 09:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"stupid to try to become 'Republican Light' in these areas"

Is it? It seems to be working for Joe Manchin.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-21 09:40 AM | Reply

Just don't insult or scare them and they'll vote Democrat.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-21 09:54 AM | Reply

Run on accomplishments and policy.

#3 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

Right.

Obamacare is a perfect test case for this issue.

Loved by rural folks (well, the ACA is!) but yet they still didn't like Obama.

I don't claim to have all the answers, especially when dealing with people who paradoxically whine about not being listened to while voting against the people who've listened.

But handing them policy that benefits their lives hasn't worked in the past.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-21 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're equating rural voters with deplorables?
#7 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Anyone who still supports the Republican party, yes. They have proven unequivocally who they are and what they stand for.

#10 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-07-21 11:21 AM | Reply

You're equating rural voters with deplorables?
#7 | POSTED BY EBERLY
Anyone who still supports the Republican party, yes. They have proven unequivocally who they are and what they stand for.

#10 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2021-07-21 11:21 AM | REPLY

According to the majority here that's everyone in rural America....never mind the facts don't support it.

But the big problem is the whole Democratic party platform is wrapped in identity politics and that just doesn't appeal to the rural population.

#11 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-21 11:56 AM | Reply

#11 The dem party has a platform and non-identity policies. The GOP have no platform except worship of Trump and attacking minorities, identity politics is all they have and rural voters love them.

#13 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-21 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"the whole Democratic party platform is wrapped in identity politics"

LOL
The GOP doesn't even have a platform!
The GOP is pure identity politics now.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-21 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I was late on the draw on that one!

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-21 12:08 PM | Reply

#11 The dem party has a platform and non-identity policies. The GOP have no platform except worship of Trump and attacking minorities, identity politics is all they have and rural voters love them.

#13 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2021-07-21 12:06 PM | REPLY

It didn't take long to prove my point.

#16 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-21 12:16 PM | Reply

#11 The dem party has a platform and non-identity policies. The GOP have no platform except worship of Trump and attacking minorities, identity politics is all they have and rural voters love them.

#13 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2021-07-21 12:06 PM | REPLY

It didn't take long to prove my point.

#17 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-21 12:16 PM | Reply

"In a 3-min. ad for his Senate campaign, Rep. Tim Ryan of Ohio never says he's a Democrat."

This is becoming the norm, as the word "Democrat" is spit like a curse word from the other party's mouth. And always with "far left" as a preface.

After Trump won, Republicans in San Diego stopped announcing they were Republicans in their campaign mailings. One Republican even touted how they fought back against Trump on offshore drilling.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-21 12:18 PM | Reply

Good thing dems' strategy seems to be getting people fired for using the wrong pronouns, and pledging to defund law enforcement.

That really wins over the rural swing voters.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-21 01:53 PM | Reply

Toss in slave reparations and that'll really impress them.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-21 01:54 PM | Reply

I live in a rural state (3 Electoral votes but goes up to 4 in 2024) that has gone blue for president only twice since 1952 (Clinton in '92 ad LBJ in '64).

As it is, this is Trump country, the GOP has gone full Trump, and the Rs pounded the Ds last election cycle.

Although we currently have a GOP governor (elected in 2020) we had 2 D govorners sitting two terms each going back to 2005. We currently have both an R and D senator, but most elections have gone D going back to 1952. The D senator squeaked out a win in 2018 (thankfully because he's a great senator and we're lucky to have him). He's a farmer, hunter, religious, etc.

I agree with Eberly that there is a lot of potential for Ds to succeed in my state, but those that succeed won't be liberals, they'll be blue dogs.

The future for Ds could be brighter because the Trumper Rs are aging and the populated (more young, more liberal) areas are growing.

Right now it will be difficult because my neighbors are eating up the populist Trump crap. Key will be how the state defines the districts considering our additional rep in 2024. Our legislature is heavily controlled by Rs so I don't expect the districts to fairly capture political homogeneity in the state (basically the western part is more liberal and more populated, eastern is more rural and conservative).

#21 | Posted by horstngraben at 2021-07-21 02:08 PM | Reply

Horstngraben,

You say it's Trump country I'd be interested in knowing how the election results broke down by percentage.

I live in a red county in a red state (SC) and both the presidential and Senate race went 55/45 and while 10 points is huge in an election almost half the population didn't support Trump which is something the folks on this site can't seem to grasp.

I mentioned Dem party platform earlier and as usual the rebuttal was about how terrible Republicans are...but if you go to the Dem party website and read the platform identity politics permeates every issue.
It always starts out we want every American to succeed but as they explain what that means it always goes to racial inequity and how whites have it so much better than black and brown people. And that translates to you white folks have had it too good for too long and we're about to change that.
You talked about the neighbors eating up that populist crap but it's an easy sell when they hear the Dems message and they look around and see their town, wages, and opportunities drying up for decades.

#22 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-21 02:44 PM | Reply

"I mentioned Dem party platform earlier and as usual the rebuttal was about how terrible Republicans are."

Apples to oranges.

Republicans literally chose not have a platform.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-21 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You say it's Trump country I'd be interested in knowing how the election results broke down by percentage.

I think he's in Montana, so 57% Lewzer.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-21 02:54 PM | Reply

The republican platform is - we need to stop democracy.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-21 02:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You talked about the neighbors eating up that populist crap but it's an easy sell when they hear the Dems message and they look around and see their town, wages, and opportunities drying up for decades.

I generally agree. The concept of "white privilege" is a hard sell in rural areas where a lot of people work hard long days doing manual labor and are always broke. And they're pretty much all white, so how can there be "white privilege"?

Another advantage the Rs enjoy is that rural people despise the idea of people living 1000s of miles away, in cities that contribute the majority of pollution/environmental contamination, telling people in rural, and generally less polluted areas that depend on natural resources for income, what to do and how to live.

Gun control is another huge, and emotional, topic. As is religion.

So yes, the Trumper populist crap reverberates.

#26 | Posted by horstngraben at 2021-07-21 03:02 PM | Reply

#24 | Posted by REDIAL

For what its worth, you are one of the neighbors that doesn't eat up the Trump populist crap.

#27 | Posted by horstngraben at 2021-07-21 03:07 PM | Reply

The GOP have no platform except worship of Trump...
#13 | Posted by bored

That is literally the Pub platform right now..."Whatever Trump says."

There's plenty of indentity polotics in rural America, it's just a different identity. A very narrow, selfish one.
Those damn Dems with their "We're all in this together" attitude.
Too bad rural America doesn't see themselves in that "together". They think that they are excluded.

#28 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-07-21 03:21 PM | Reply

I agree with former Republican campaign advisor Tim Miller. The Dems need to nationalize this election as much as possible. They need to make this election the most important election of our generation, maybe in the history of this country. What's at stake is continued democracy, or the GQP's insane turn to radicalism, toward fascism, and toward insane conspiracies like QAnon. They need to show the videos of 1/6 over and over and refer to the people who stormed the Capitol as traitors to this country trying to overthrow our government by stopping the peaceful transfer of power in the service of a criminal madman. They need to talk about how state GQP legislatures and governors for no reason are making it harder for ALL PEOPLE to exercise their right to vote and to make it easier for them steal elections. They should talk about how the GQP has ZERO evidence of significant voter fraud, and that they're doing this to curry favor with a criminal madman to support his big lie. They need to address the big lie and talk about how Dotard has zero proof of voter fraud, and is simply flapping his cat's ---- piehole to fleece money from the MAGAts. Dems need to claim all the credit for the American Rescue Plan, how it made vaccine readily available and free to everybody who wants it, how they put money in the pockets of almost all parents, lifting 40% of impoverished children out of poverty. They need to point out how the GQP and their vaccine denial is killing them, friends and family in an effort to destroy the Biden economic recovery. They need to really press on the fascism theme, over and over and over, because that will cause the middle and any remaining sane Republicans to break toward the Democrats.

#29 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-07-21 05:41 PM | Reply

"They need to really press on the fascism theme, over and over and over, because that will cause the middle and any remaining sane Republicans to break toward the Democrats."

In order for that to work, they also need to convince those voters that Democrats aren't welcoming fascists or extreme authoritarians of a different stripe, nor anarchists. They need make it known clearly that they renounce those who espouse the "defund the police" slogan, as well as those with anti-majority racism sympathies.

#30 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-21 06:05 PM | Reply

There's plenty of indentity polotics in rural America, it's just a different identity. A very narrow, selfish one.
Those damn Dems with their "We're all in this together" attitude.
Too bad rural America doesn't see themselves in that "together". They think that they are excluded.

#28 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2021

You're joking, right?

Where'd you get that idea...Don Lemon?

You see what the folks here think about rural America. That's what the left thinks about rural America, and the Democratic party too.

We're not all in this together because the issues facing rural Americans aren't the same as the ones as in urban areas. (or as you say narrow selfish self interest) And everyone knows who's issues take precedence with the Dems.

#31 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-21 06:07 PM | Reply

... everyone knows who's issues take precedence with the Dems.

Their wealthy donors?

No no no.

Obviously it's the evil communist, LGBTQAAI+, BLM, femnazi, Socialist, open border, pronounless, Hollywood elite, pedophile, sex trafficking, China loving, misogynistic, Martha's Vineyard, crack addicted, heroin shooting, homeless liberals.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-21 06:26 PM | Reply

Clowny,
I was talking about the issues facing rural Americans vs those in urban areas, but there's that stuff too I suppose.

#33 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-21 06:37 PM | Reply

You mean those rural voters the left mocks?

#34 | Posted by MSgt at 2021-07-21 10:45 PM | Reply

It's not the Left that goes on about being "Real" Americans.

#35 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-07-21 11:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And believe it or not, there's plenty of black and brown folks in rural America.

#36 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2021-07-21 11:11 PM | Reply

"You mean those rural voters the left mocks?"

You mean Eberly? He gets mocked the worst, of anyone with a chance of voting Democrat. And he's already been voting for Democrats for President. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-21 11:17 PM | Reply

"You mean those rural voters the left mocks?"

Like the Native Americans in Arizona and Nevada, that the GOP is desperately trying to disenfranchise?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-21 11:19 PM | Reply

"We're not all in this together because the issues facing rural Americans aren't the same as the ones as in urban areas."

There's one issue that will have killed a million Americans by year's end that we're all facing.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-21 11:24 PM | Reply

"In order for that to work, they also need to convince those voters that Democrats aren't welcoming fascists or extreme authoritarians of a different stripe, nor anarchists."

How are the able to do with this the current leadership that they have and zero inclination to break with these leaders? You will never convince any GOP that Pelosi is anything but a corrupt leftist hellbent on destroying traditional American values. Moreover, she goes out of her way to prove this correct being continually denigrating traditional values with her statements against white people, police, and the traditional family (husband + wife + kids)? They saw the ridiculous kneeling stunt wearing African garb. They see her defunding police and not closing the southern border while ringing DC and actually requesting manned machine gun nests to protect the politicians.

"They need make it known clearly that they renounce those who espouse the "defund the police" slogan, as well as those with anti-majority racism sympathies.
#30 | POSTED BY SENTINEL"

They cannot renounce them without kicking out the current Dem leadership. Also, it would alienate their base so it is impossible.

#40 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-22 01:56 AM | Reply

Woo rural voters in swing states? What they going to do? Send in their daughters to marry the Enos's?

#41 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2021-07-22 07:04 AM | Reply

"They feel like Democrats look down on rural America," she says. - From the article

It's because they absolutely do look down on rural Americans. The proof is in this thread

"Whenever the Dems try to pander to the deplorables they just look stupid and usually lose anyway" - TFDNIHILIST

"Woo rural voters in swing states? What they going to do? Send in their daughters to marry the Enos's?" - CRISISSTILLS

#42 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2021-07-22 10:17 AM | Reply

"They cannot renounce them without kicking out the current Dem leadership."

You're telling us the President who wrote the (racist) Crime Bill, and the Vice President who enforced the (racist) Crime Bill, are saying defund the police?

You must think we're (as) stupid (as you).

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 10:18 AM | Reply

"It's because they absolutely do look down on rural Americans."

Respect is earned.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 10:18 AM | Reply

"Respect is earned."

Is that what you tell the people you call "---------"?

#45 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-22 10:21 AM | Reply

Sentinel is a good example of someone who has gone to great lengths to earn my opinion of him.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 11:18 AM | Reply

"Who gives you respect? People who choose to give it to you."

TANSTAAFL

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 11:19 AM | Reply

Respect is earned.

#44 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-07-22 10:18 AM | REPLY

What about disrespect? Because I'm seeing a whole lot of that handed out for free to people y'all don't even know.

#49 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-22 11:48 AM | Reply

ScottE -
Sure disrespect is earned as well.

Someone flying a 'Trump - No More ---------!' flag 50 yards from the windows of a K-5 school, and it's still up, 8+ months after a lost election and an mob attack on our Capitol (situation near where i live, in a rural area).

They've earned my disrespect.

#50 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-07-22 12:03 PM | Reply

Okay, that's one person.
What about the other millions being lumped in with this example.

#51 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-22 12:27 PM | Reply

"Sentinel is a good example of someone who has gone to great lengths to earn my opinion of him."

Igualmente, redrojo.

#52 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-22 12:33 PM | Reply

What do Repubicans need to do? Yet another article about what Democrats "need to do."

#53 | Posted by chuffy at 2021-07-22 12:34 PM | Reply

In rural America, you can listen to right wing hate radio on multiple stations, but cannot find a liberal alternative.
In rural America, you walk into your dentist, optometrist, oil changer...even fast food restaurant to see Fox "news" on the TV all day, every day.
The newspapers aren't much better, presuming anyone reads anymore...and with social media and YouTube University available to anyone who figured out how to get the Internet? Well...

In this environment, tell me again how the Democrats are not doing enough to get their message out? The entire system is designed to prevent that, institutionally.

#54 | Posted by chuffy at 2021-07-22 12:42 PM | Reply

What about the other millions being lumped in with this example.

#51 | Posted by ScottE

No one who supports a fascist con man tyrant who wants to replace democracy with fascism deserves any respect from any patriotic american.

I'm sure putin respects them quite a lot.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-22 12:51 PM | Reply

What about the other millions being lumped in with this example.
#51

They want to be lumped in.
They want to earn disrespect from people like me.
It's 'winning' for them.

#56 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-07-22 12:59 PM | Reply

And once again all rural voters are being lumped together which is the point I've been making throughout this thread...the left and the Democratic party view all rural voters as Trump supporting morons which is why they're going to have a tough time convincing them to support Democrats.

#57 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-22 12:59 PM | Reply

"And once again all rural voters are being lumped together"

Nah.
They won Nevada for Biden.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 01:02 PM | Reply

And once again all rural voters are being lumped together which is the point I've been making throughout this thread...the left and the Democratic party view all rural voters as Trump supporting morons which is why they're going to have a tough time convincing them to support Democrats.

#57 | Posted by ScottE

Let me know when you see any rural voters taking a stand against their ignorant hateful lethal racist trump supporting neighbors.

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-22 01:02 PM | Reply

Most rural areas are already voting about 30-40 percent Democrat. In fact, in one of the reddest counties in my state (went 70 percent Trump), most towns have liberals and even progressives on the Town Councils (my wife is one of them), and even in town administration. Most of these people got elected or hired by talking about ideas and vision, rather than ideology.

This is also Lauren Boebert's District. It's hard to beat the insane at Federal level elections. The Democrats need to figure out what's working in small local elections, and carry it to the Federal level.

#60 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-07-22 01:08 PM | Reply

I can tell you a few things that don't work on a lot of rural conservative voters...

Don't argue with them about gunz. The 2nd Amendment is the only part of the Constitution that many of them believe in.

Don't try to raise taxes... just because. If you want a tax increase, you'd better have a popular reason. The only three tax increases that have passed in this county in the last 20 years have been for ambulances, cannabis and cops. In that order.

Don't try to infringe upon their property rights with zoning laws and municipal codes. These people like to keep their junk, and they don't care if they're dragging down your property value.

Don't try to raise their utility fees, unless you can prove in the simplest of terms that it's necessary. Because of the drought, the town had to raise water rates, or they would have run out of water before the end of the summer. But a lot of constituents are screaming about it.

And just stay off of the subject of Trump altogether. Or you'll never accomplish anything.

#61 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2021-07-22 01:26 PM | Reply

>#61 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

That matches my experience.

#62 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2021-07-22 01:35 PM | Reply

"Don't try to infringe upon their property rights with zoning laws and municipal codes. These people like to keep their junk, and they don't care if they're dragging down your property value."

With parallels to not wearing a mask and not getting vaccinated, even if it drags down your life expectancy.

I'm just sayin!

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 01:45 PM | Reply

And just stay off of the subject of Trump altogether. Or you'll never accomplish anything.

^
Reminds me of the old adage:
"All politics is local."

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 01:49 PM | Reply

"You're equating rural voters with deplorables?"

This why the Dems lose.

If this were Bill Clinton's Democratic Party, the US would have something resembling a single party system.

Instead, the Dems have ceded those votes to anyone who shows them attention. Like Trump did.

#65 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-22 02:11 PM | Reply

Stick to local Berlin politics, plague-boy

#66 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-22 02:24 PM | Reply

"If this were Bill Clinton's Democratic Party, the US would have something resembling a single party system."

Bill Clinton is the guy who signed Joe Biden's racist Crimr Bill.

You see a lot of daylight between Slick Willy and Sleepy Joe?

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 02:27 PM | Reply

"They cannot renounce them without kicking out the current Dem leadership."

I don't think that's true.

It's crazy to me how Repubs have rallied around and prostrated themselves to Trump. But what's nearly as crazy is that Dems have elected to embrace the far left at the expense of everyone else. I get it, they're louder. They get violent when they don't get what they want. But they're a relative small minority of potential voters. And pandering to them will not get you enough votes to win a general election.

The 2020 presidential race shouldn't have been anywhere near as close as it was. Trump is trash. Had the Repubs run someone with the exact same views as Trump, but a more likeable person, it would have been a Republican landslide.

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-22 02:28 PM | Reply

"You see a lot of daylight between Slick Willy and Sleepy Joe?"

Yup. A whole day's worth of daylight.

With the exception of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, what part of the 1994 crime bill do you see as not playing well in blue collar America?

I'll caveat that with the statement that JB broke convention after the election, and instead of focusing on the center elected to pander to the left. It's disappointing since I voted for him and expected him to remain a steady-up centrist.

#69 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-22 02:33 PM | Reply

"Stick to local Berlin politics, plague-boy"

In what is a very unexpected turn-around from my vantage point, Germany is actually employing a bit of common sense when it comes to the plague. The US seems poised to give in to mass hysteria yet again.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-22 02:34 PM | Reply

Let me know when you see any rural voters taking a stand against their ignorant hateful lethal racist trump supporting neighbors.

#59 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-07-22 01:02 PM

I see it all the time...I do it all the time.

Let me know when you see someone on the left criticize the burning of cities and the destruction of property as a form of protest.

#71 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-22 02:54 PM | Reply

"With the exception of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, what part of the 1994 crime bill do you see as not playing well in blue collar America?"

I don't see the daylight.

Biden, now President, was a driving force behind the bill.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 02:55 PM | Reply

"burning of cities"

LOL.

The closest thing to what you claim was burning down the police station where the cops who murdered George Floyd worked.

If a gang of thugs did that to you, you wouldn't want their safe house destroyed?

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 02:58 PM | Reply

The 2020 presidential race shouldn't have been anywhere near as close as it was. Trump is trash. Had the Repubs run someone with the exact same views as Trump, but a more likeable person, it would have been a Republican landslide.

#68 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2021-07-22 02:28 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

These folks are going to find that out in the next election.

I'll caveat that with the statement that JB broke convention after the election, and instead of focusing on the center elected to pander to the left. It's disappointing since I voted for him and expected him to remain a steady-up centrist.

#69 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2021-07-22 02:3

I hear you. I voted for him too and feel the same way.

#74 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-22 02:58 PM | Reply

"Let me know when you see someone on the left criticize the burning of cities and the destruction of property as a form of protest."

And then Snoofy says:

"LOL. The closest thing to what you claim was burning down the police station where the cops who murdered George Floyd worked."

Now, Snoofy ain't no rocket scientist. But I have to imagine he is aware of the four months of continuous nights of violence in Portland. I kept track since that's where I grew up.

You're new here, so I'll recap the whole thing. Protests turn violent and rioters start destroying stuff. Our progressive friends claim that it was mostly peaceful protesters, with an unfortunate few bad apples who were likely MAGATs in the first place. Then Trump sends DHS to protect federal property. The riots only get more violent. Our progressive friends claim that the increase in violence is due to Trump for deploying Federal Officers. The federal Officers leave. The violence not only continues, but increases. But it's still OK, because most are peaceful, and even those who are violent are that way for the right reasons.

Then Jan 06 Happens. And our progressive friends are suddenly livid about rioters attacking government officials and government property.

And if you've been paying attention, I lie somewhere between a fascist and a reactionary bourgeoise because I don't make much of a distinction between the two. I think both should have been crushed with equal determination. Our progressive friends think that the protesters on 1/6 should be tried and executed for treason, while law enforcement in Portland should be carefully scrutinized to make sure they didn't violate the rights of any of the protesters.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-22 03:11 PM | Reply

"burning of cities" is ridiculous.

There was however a trash barrel set on fire in Portland. I believe a fire door may also have gotten scorched.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 03:21 PM | Reply

"Then Jan 06 Happens. And our progressive friends are suddenly livid about rioters attacking government officials and government property."

No, that wasn't the issue.

Attempting to overthrow democracy was the problem.

Carrying the flag of a hostile nation through the halls of Congress helps define the problem.

Smearing feces on the halls of Congress helps understand the level of political dialogue with which the insurrectionists can be engaged.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 03:26 PM | Reply

From what I read here Dresden was nothing compared to Portland.

#78 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-22 03:26 PM | Reply

"JB broke convention after the election, and instead of focusing on the center elected to pander to the left."

What tradition? And what pandering?

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 03:28 PM | Reply

Let me know when you see any rural voters taking a stand against their ignorant hateful lethal racist trump supporting neighbors.
#59 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-07-22 01:02 PM

I see it all the time...I do it all the time.

Speak?

#80 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-22 03:55 PM | Reply

Let me know when you see someone on the left criticize the burning of cities and the destruction of property as a form of protest.

#71 | Posted by ScottE

What city was burned? I'm looking at the map and they all seem to still be here.

Unless you mean that 1 burning building = CITIES BURNED!

But then you'd be a hyperbolic drama queen not interested in reality wouldnt you?

#81 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-22 04:13 PM | Reply

#5. Snoofy... I live in WV... WV today is as Republican as Mississippi or Alabama. Trump won the state by like 20-30 pts...(i forget) in the last election (by a lot!) Manchin, being a politician 1st, and caring for his constituency a distant 2nd, has always tried to walk the line between the 2 parties. And while it worked for him in the past, the 2 parties being closer together in the past, it remains to be seen in this uber polarized day. I know several Democrats, myself included, that refyse to vote for the man again if he rejects the Biden Agenda. The man has become a 'turncoat' a Benedict Arnold to many, many democrats...

#82 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-07-22 05:02 PM | Reply

You should move. Been to WV for work. Literally hell on earth with 3rd world poverty. Rambled shack after Rambled Shack.

#83 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-07-22 05:52 PM | Reply

Y'all must have been stoned all last summer not to see all the fires burning in cities around this country.

In Minneapolis"Saint Paul alone, the immediate aftermath of the killing of George Floyd was second-most destructive period of local unrest in United States history, after the 1992 Los Angeles riots.[100][101][102] Over a three night period, the cities experienced two deaths,[103][104] 617 arrests,[19][102] and upwards of $500 million in property damage to 1,500 locations, including 150 properties that were set on fire.[105]

150 in Minneapolis alone....then there was Kenosha, Portland, Atlanta

You're asking me why my neighbors won't stand against hateful, LETHAL, Trump supporters and I told you they do.

I ask you why your leaders won't condemn violence and you won't answer.

Go ----- yourself.

#84 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-22 06:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Over a three night period, the cities experienced two deaths"

Oh so one afternoon in Chicago.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 06:41 PM | Reply

"I ask you why your leaders won't condemn violence and you won't answer."

Which leaders haven't condemned violence?
I want names.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 06:42 PM | Reply

Trump told his supporters he would pay their legal bills if they had to get rough with protesters at his rallies.

That's the opposite of condemning violence.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 06:46 PM | Reply

I want to know which leaders haven't condemned violence, too.

#88 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-22 06:49 PM | Reply

Don't change the subject Snoofy...the topic is not Trump rallys.

Why don't you show me some names of those who did condemn the violence.

#89 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-22 06:51 PM | Reply

Where in the world do you spend your time getting "informed" Scotte?
How about just about every Democrat you've heard of?

www.usatoday.com
www.fayobserver.com
www.usatoday.com

#90 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-22 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And Snoofy I asked the question for y'all on the left to answer.

I provided info on the many fires in Minneapolis and that was in a 3 day period refuting the bs that it was only 1 building + 1 garbage can set on fire.

And now once again instead of admitting that I might have a point you jump to a complete different subject.

But always the same subject, DJT.

#91 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-22 06:57 PM | Reply

And now once again instead of admitting that I might have a point you jump to a complete different subject.

There was rioting in Minneapolis.
I don't dispute that.

Pretty much everyone on politics condemned it.
You dispute that.
Oh, and so did Trump. What a coincidence!

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 07:14 PM | Reply

On June 3, Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., the majority whip of the House of Representatives, told The Washington Post that the movement for racial justice suffers when it is "hijacked" by violence.

"We have to make sure we do not allow ourselves to play the other person's game," Clyburn said. "Peaceful protest is our game. Violence is their game. Purposeful protest is our game. This looting and rioting, that's their game. We cannot allow ourselves to play their game."

Yav I took this quote because it was in all the articles you linked. That's the most watered down condemnation I've ever heard. 'Violence is their game'... who's the their?

#93 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-22 07:24 PM | Reply

Thanks Snoofy, I know it wasn't you disputing there was widespread arson too.

#94 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-22 07:26 PM | Reply

"That's the most watered down condemnation I've ever heard."

Compare it to Trump offering to pay the legal bills if any of his supporters have to get violent with protesters.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 07:29 PM | Reply

#33 KKK, Nazi's and Confederates.

#96 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-22 07:29 PM | Reply

You're gonna make that comparison, right, ScottE?

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 07:41 PM | Reply

#83... It's cheap to live here. But not quite so bad in the eastern panhandle, and I work
near D.C. where housing costs are like 4-5 times as much. So...like for many in the country, it boils down to simple economics. Put up with a 2 hr. each way commute, and a 12 hr. (8 hr work + 4 hr commute) day, and be able to afford a living, a house, my son's college, an eventual retirement, and everything else (as a single father) in the Delmarva...

But 8 years, at most till retirement, so, 2/3rds the way there. Then I can get out of the DubV. Retire.

Lucky for me, Covid (and the whole work from home culture) has actually been a boon for me.
In about 2 weeks we find out from bosses just how much we can continue to work from home. Or not...

#98 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-07-22 08:09 PM | Reply

I ask you why your leaders won't condemn violence and you won't answer.

Go ----- yourself.

#84 | Posted by ScottE

Oh so now you've switched from CITIES BURNING! to WELL SOME PROPERTIES WERE ON FIRE.

Dem leaders condemned the violence on every channel. You'd have seen that if your head weren't in your ass.

And dem politicians didn't INSPIRE the violence with months of lies like republican politicians did. The BLM riots were inspired by decades of injustice. The trump riots were inspired by months of lies.

#99 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-22 08:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Compare it to Trump offering to"

You know you've lost the argument when you defend something by directing others to compare it to Trump.

#100 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-22 09:20 PM | Reply

For all of you downplaying the DAMAGE caused by the G Floyd "Peaceful protests".. Yahoo news which is not FOX NEWS puts the cost at over $2 BILLION.

news.yahoo.com

I'm a common sense liberal. If some billionaire dodged that much in taxes, I would be outraged. But the "woke" crowd seems to be OK with that amount of property damage.

If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead...as long as its their flag.
If someone wants to pull down a statue, go ahead...as long as it's their statue.
If someone wants to destroy a building, go ahead...as long as it's their building.

But anyone who destroys something that doesn't belong to them is a criminal who is depriving someone else of their property.

#101 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2021-07-22 09:25 PM | Reply

You know you've lost the argument when you defend something by directing others to compare it to Trump.

Kellyann? Is that you?

#102 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-22 09:26 PM | Reply

But anyone who destroys something that doesn't belong to them is a criminal who is depriving someone else of their property.

#101 | Posted by jamesgelliott

A property-destroying criminal is a gnat compared to a democracy-destroying criminal.

Property can be rebuilt in days.

#103 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-22 09:39 PM | Reply

"Dem leaders condemned the violence on every channel. You'd have seen that if your head weren't in your ass."

BS. Many were very wishy washy in their condemnations if they made any at all, because they didn't want to offend supporters of the BLM movement. You'd have seen reactions like "FIERY BUT MOSTLY PEACEFUL PROTESTS" if your head weren't in your ass.

"The BLM riots were inspired by decades of injustice."

Nah, they were inspired by self-proclaimed "trained Marxists" and anarchists who latched on to police brutality events which had zero evidence of being racially motivated. Both in 2015 and in 2020.

"The trump riots were inspired by months of lies."

Trump will go down as the biggest sore loser of all Presidential elections in history, as will his supporters who excuse the riot he incited. It's pretty obvious that Russian agit-prop played a role in stoking that. Why can't you see it also played a role in the civil unrest related to BLM protests?

#104 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-22 09:49 PM | Reply

Trump will go down as the biggest sore loser of all Presidential elections in history, as will his supporters who excuse the riot he incited. It's pretty obvious that Russian agit-prop played a role in stoking that. Why can't you see it also played a role in the civil unrest related to BLM protests?

#104 | Posted by sentinel

So what? Why can't you tell the difference between unorganized street riots of oppressed people versus deluded fascists trying to end democracy for their cult leader con man?

#105 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-22 09:51 PM | Reply

"Nah, they were inspired by self-proclaimed "trained Marxists" and anarchists who latched on to police brutality events which had zero evidence of being racially motivated. Both in 2015 and in 2020."

Dont forget undercover right wingers who wanted to turn the protests violent to make the left look bad.

Just like bankers did with occupy wall street.

#106 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-22 09:53 PM | Reply

"A property-destroying criminal is a gnat compared to a democracy-destroying criminal.
Property can be rebuilt in days."

Tell that to the family of the guy whose charred body was found in a burnt pawn shop in Minneapolis.

Tell that to the small businesses who can't afford to "rebuild in days" and lost their livelihoods.

Tell that to the poor people who will now have to travel farther for essentials because no business wants to rebuild in their crappy arson-prone neighborhoods.

#107 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-22 09:56 PM | Reply

"unorganized street riots"

*snort*

#108 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-22 10:06 PM | Reply

"Dont forget undercover right wingers who wanted to turn the protests violent to make the left look bad."

Did they ever nab the white guy who smashed out the windows of the AutoZone?
The police said they were aware of his identity.

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 10:09 PM | Reply

Biden condemned violence and destruction, calling it an affront to the tactics of civil rights leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. and John Lewis.

"I want to be very clear about all of this: Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted," Biden said. "Violence will not bring change, it will only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way."
www.cnn.com

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden has on several occasions denounced violence, arson and looting tied to protests against police brutality

Shortly after the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Biden said "needless destruction" and "violence that endangers lives" is not necessary

A week after Kenosha police shot Jacob Blake, Biden said he condemns violence "of every kind by anyone," a direct conflict with Trump's claim that he has failed to critique violent groups.
www.politifact.com

#110 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-22 10:11 PM | Reply

"Tell that to the small businesses who can't afford to "rebuild in days" and lost their livelihoods."

Business is inherently risky.
They knew the risks when they signed up.
I think Eberly even talked about whether or not "civil unrest" is covered in their policies.
And Sitzkrieg performed and entire Vulcan Opera about the Legend Of The Roof Koreans.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 10:12 PM | Reply

Kamala Harris condemns looting, violence in wake of police shooting

Harris, a U.S. senator who previously served as California's attorney general, said she supported peaceful protesters.

"We should not confuse them with those looting and committing acts of violence, including the shooter who was arrested for murder. And make no mistake, we will not let these vigilantes and extremists derail the path to justice," Harris said in a speech from a university auditorium in Washington streamed online.
www.reuters.com

Sen. Kamala Harris has condemned looting in the wake of police shootings.

Most recently, in the wake of the death of Walter Wallace Jr. in Philadelphia, she and Joe Biden said in a joint statement: "Looting is not a protest, it is a crime."
www.politifact.com

#112 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-22 10:14 PM | Reply

Respect is earned.
#44 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

What about disrespect? Because I'm seeing a whole lot of that handed out for free to people y'all don't even know.
#49 | POSTED BY SCOTTE

ScottE, still waiting for you to complain some low level Democrat's weak condemnation of violence to Trump's promise to pay the legal bills of his supporters who engage in violence.

#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 10:14 PM | Reply

"Oh so now you've switched from CITIES BURNING! to WELL SOME PROPERTIES WERE ON FIRE."

It's how he earns respect around here.

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-22 10:22 PM | Reply

"What about disrespect? Because I'm seeing a whole lot of that handed out for free to people y'all don't even know."

If you want respect, don't go looking for it from strangers on the internet.

#115 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-22 10:23 PM | Reply

"Biden condemned violence and destruction, calling it an affront to the tactics of civil rights leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. and John Lewis."

Yes, and he was a notable exception among those running for the nomination for doing so unequivocally.

"Sen. Kamala Harris has condemned looting in the wake of police shootings."

She was a bit late to the game, and she still has a long way to earn middle America's trust like Joe has and not just be seen as someone riding his coattails.

#116 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-22 10:40 PM | Reply

Yav I took this quote because it was in all the articles you linked. That's the most watered down condemnation I've ever heard. 'Violence is their game'... who's the their?

You pick "the most watered down condemnation" and extrapolate it to what end? There were plenty of quotes that were a lot tougher in the links I provided. Gal posted some and more.

Now you've shown you likely knew all this already, but you're too busy trying to sell a lie. A lie you got called on.

#117 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-22 11:14 PM | Reply

Oh, and the challenge was Why don't you show me some names of those who did condemn the violence.

Done, done, and DONE.

#118 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-22 11:15 PM | Reply

Tell that to the family of the guy whose charred body was found in a burnt pawn shop in Minneapolis.

Tell that to the small businesses who can't afford to "rebuild in days" and lost their livelihoods.

Tell that to the poor people who will now have to travel farther for essentials because no business wants to rebuild in their crappy arson-prone neighborhoods.

#107 | Posted by sentinel

Oh yes we know how your cult cares about poor people. Whenever it's convenient.

#119 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-22 11:16 PM | Reply

"unorganized street riots"

*snort*

#108 | Posted by sentinel

Go ahead and say it - you think george soros organized them don't you?

#120 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-22 11:19 PM | Reply

Oh yes we know how your cult cares about poor people. Whenever it's convenient.

#119 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-07-22 11:16 PM

You seem to really like thew or "cult". Of course, you didn't actually address any of his points, but that would require actual effort.

#121 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-23 12:09 AM | Reply

They were clearly organized. No idea if Soros is involved or not. Honestly, this seems like small potatoes for him.

#122 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-23 12:10 AM | Reply


Let me know when you see someone on the left criticize the burning of cities and the destruction of property as a form of protest.

#71 | POSTED BY SCOTTE AT 2021-07-22 02:54 PM | REPLY

Now you've shown you likely knew all this already, but you're too busy trying to sell a lie. A lie you got called on.

#117 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2021-07-22 11:14 PM | REPLY

That's what I said....where's the lie Yav?

And I guess some folks don't see a problem with 150 properties set on fire in one city in 3 days time. If the entire city wasn't burned to ground then somehow I'm lying.

But this bs gets a pass

Unless you mean that 1 burning building = CITIES BURNED!
But then you'd be a hyperbolic drama queen not interested in reality wouldnt you?

#81 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-07-22 04:13 PM | REPLY

burning of cities" is ridiculous.
There was however a trash barrel set on fire in Portland. I believe a fire door may also have gotten scorched.

#76 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-07-

So we have a claim of only 1 building
and another of only 1 trash can...so who's lying?

#123 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-23 12:55 AM | Reply

"There was however a trash barrel set on fire in Portland."

Someone set a trash barrel on fire?!? I didn't hear about that. I only heard about the the Federal Courthouse. And the Police Union building. And the dumpsters

I believe a fire door may also have gotten scorched.

I believe a window may have been broken in the Capitol building.

SCOTTE, if you're still there, ^this^ is what I'm talking about.

#124 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-23 01:05 AM | Reply

"Attempting to overthrow democracy was the problem."

Whatever the rioters in D.C. thought they could do, there was no constitutional path that led to DJT being president beyond noon on Jan 20.

And I don't really think they thought they were trying to overthrow democracy. In their ignorance, they thought they were protecting it. No that different from those on the left who riot on behalf of what they idiotically believe is a good case.

#125 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-23 01:07 AM | Reply

No one ever suggests Republicans should court college educated urbanites, working single mothers, POC or limo liberals. No, only the left is expected to compromise for the sake of unity. And by compromise I mean 'turn right on some nonsense social issue(s)'.

Democrats dont need to convert Trump voters from the "heartland", they need to make them irrelevant. Cut these backwards places off. Pull government contracts. Cut farm subsidies. Gerrymander when you can. Stop forcing companies from blue cites, blue states and soCiAliSts countries to build factories in Alabama and South Carolina in a vain and pathetic attempt to civilize these mongrels.

Eventually you must stop making sacrifices to the Minotaur and have Theseus run up a black sail.

#126 | Posted by BluSky at 2021-07-23 08:18 AM | Reply

#126 | POSTED BY BLUSKY

The people you seek to destroy were a reliable Dem voting bloc not that long ago. It's amazing how elitist the Democratic Party has become. The party used to actually represent blue collar workers and farmers. Not any more.

#127 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-23 09:12 AM | Reply

#126 | POSTED BY BLUSKY AT 2021-07-23 08:18 AM | FLAG:

They do. You're just not invited and those meetings have to happen in secret or you get Trumped. Republicans that believe in global warming and are looking to rebuild the parties message and priorities don't do it in public. One recently happened in Utah iirc. They are closed door affairs and nobody wants it known they are at it. The Republican loonies will Cancel Culture you faster than you can blink and actively go about destroying your career.

#128 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-23 09:28 AM | Reply

Dem voting bloc not that long ago
George Wallace and Ross Barnett Democrats? Good riddance. You can keep them.

nobody wants it known they are at it
Like the French nobleman, "There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader."

#129 | Posted by BluSky at 2021-07-23 09:56 AM | Reply

The dems don't need to woo rural voters, they need to make the case that rural voters should care about climate change because of the damage it will do to rural life. The dems can make the case that expanded public health care will save their rural hospitals. They can make the case parental leave and minimum wage are good for rural people too. They can also make the case that preventing billionaires from dodging taxes helps them too.

The dems need to make the case that their policies are better for rural voters.

#130 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-23 10:16 AM | Reply

"That's the most watered down condemnation I've ever heard. 'Violence is their game'... who's the their?"

Last summer, the Portland leader of the local NAACP came out and said that he didn't want violent protester and rioters associating themselves with BLM, but mostly they remained silent. Until last fall when Antifa besieged the DNC HQ in Portland.

They eventually got tired of privileged white anarchists trying to hijack their movement.

#131 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-23 10:59 AM | Reply

"The people you seek to destroy were a reliable Dem voting bloc not that long ago. It's amazing how elitist the Democratic Party has become. The party used to actually represent blue collar workers and farmers. Not any more."

Yeah, what a guy.

100 years ago he could have joined Beria in wiping out the reactionary bourgeoise Kulaks in Russia.

And I don't think he knows where vegetables and coal come from.

#132 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-23 11:01 AM | Reply

"The dems need to make the case that their policies are better for rural voters."

It's going to be hard for Dems to appeal to those folks while at the same time placating the much more vocal left flank of the party.

#133 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-23 11:03 AM | Reply

The dems need to make the case that their policies are better for rural voters.

#130 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2021-07-23 10:16 AM | FLAG:

but we suck at it. This isn't that hard thing to do. Start with farming. Go to the FAA convention. Buy a block of booths next to John Deere. Make the booth closest to JD about Right To Repair. Talk about methane sequestration as a profit center. Don't ---- on industrial scale farming. FFS don't say climate change or sustainability. Say multi-generational farms, because that's what they want to hand down to their kids. Don't talk about a single thing that's not very directly farming related, no matter what stupid logic you come up with to integrate voting rights, billionaire taxes, and parental leave into the conversation. If somebody self identifies as Progressive they don't get to work the booth, Centrists only that are informed on farm labor temporary immigration programs.

#134 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-23 11:05 AM | Reply

Bored,
You make some good points but it will fall on deaf ears for reasons I've stated throughout this thread....and Blusky has once again confirmed.

Healthcare is a big problem. All the rural hospitals are being bought up by big business and they close down less profitable ones and move all the equipment to more profitable markets. Here in SC over 25% of the counties have no hospital.

Minimum wage jobs are still a reality here and wages haven't budged since the pandemic despite what you hear about wages nationally.

It's been pointed out several times that rural areas are not a monolithic voting bloc and is made up of people from all races, religions, classes, etc...but that doesn't matter to the majority of the left they despise the people in rural America and wish them only the worst.

That's why your message coming from the left doesn't sell very well here.

#135 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-23 11:29 AM | Reply

I don't think he knows where vegetables and coal come from.

Veg is an easy one, 90% from my back garden, the rest from Salinas or thereabout. Coal? I dunno. Newcastle, init?

he could have joined Beria in wiping out the reactionary bourgeoise Kulaks
Kaganovich: "I've had nightmares that make more sense than this."

#136 | Posted by BluSky at 2021-07-23 11:49 AM | Reply

"but that doesn't matter to the majority of the left they despise the people in rural America and wish them only the worst."

Link?

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-23 11:53 AM | Reply

but that doesn't matter to the majority of the right they despise the people in urban America (especially the non-whites) and wish them only the worst.
-- Bizarro ScottE

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-23 12:05 PM | Reply

"Talk about methane sequestration as a profit center."

And don't forget to push Ethanol!

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-23 12:08 PM | Reply

George Wallace and Ross Barnett Democrats? Good riddance. You can keep them.

I wasn't talking about the politicians I was talking about their constituents. Blue collar workers and agricultural workers used to reliably vote Democrat. Not any more.

#140 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-23 12:11 PM | Reply

It's pretty obvious that Russian agit-prop played a role in stoking that. Why can't you see it also played a role in the civil unrest related to BLM protests?
#104 | Posted by sentinel

You know, that's exactly what they said about MLK, John Lewis, and the entire Civil Rights Movement in the 60's. Claimed they were all communists. Seems as if white people think black folks are too stupid to organize a protest against oppression without "outside agitators".

#141 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-23 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I was talking about their constituents.

Do you think their constituents voted for them because they were segregationists or despite it? (careful, this is a trick question)

#142 | Posted by BluSky at 2021-07-23 12:18 PM | Reply

Blue collar workers and agricultural workers used to reliably vote Democrat. Not any more.

#140 | POSTED BY SAMS

No, not since "forced bussing". Dems have a large reliable black constituency. What are they supposed to do, ignore them, and chase the votes of racist whites (who moved to the suburbs to avoid the blacks in the cities)? One constituency is growing, the other is diminishing. Which should you court?

#143 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-23 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Democrats dont need to convert Trump voters from the "heartland", they need to make them irrelevant. Cut these backwards places off. Pull government contracts. Cut farm subsidies. Gerrymander when you can. Stop forcing companies from blue cites, blue states and soCiAliSts countries to build factories in Alabama and South Carolina in a vain and pathetic attempt to civilize these mongrels.
Eventually you must stop making sacrifices to the Minotaur and have Theseus run up a black sail.

#126 | POSTED BY BLUSKY AT 2021-07-23 08:18 AM | REPLY |

There you go Snoofy...right from this thread and there's plenty more on it. Just go back and read through it.

#144 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-23 12:26 PM | Reply

"Pull government contracts. Cut farm subsidies."

Stopping handouts is hate?

Right wingers say that is called encouraging self sufficiency.

Right wingers say handouts in the city is proof that Democrats are racist, e.g. evidence of hate.

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-23 12:35 PM | Reply

"Why can't you see it also played a role in the civil unrest related to BLM protests?"

Show me some and I'll probably be able to see it.

"It's pretty obvious that Russian agit-prop played a role in stoking that."

It's not at all obvious to Republicans or NRA members. They've been flat out denying it and ridiculing the very idea all along.

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-23 12:40 PM | Reply

You seem to really like thew or "cult". Of course, you didn't actually address any of his points, but that would require actual effort.

#121 | Posted by sams a

If the word cult bothers you, leave the cult. The republican party is a cult by nearly every definition of the word. Ask liz cheney about it.

#147 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-23 01:19 PM | Reply

Whatever the rioters in D.C. thought they could do, there was no constitutional path that led to DJT being president beyond noon on Jan 20.

And I don't really think they thought they were trying to overthrow democracy. In their ignorance, they thought they were protecting it. No that different from those on the left who riot on behalf of what they idiotically believe is a good case.

#125 | Posted by madbomber

Not that different except one being based in fact and the other being based on the lies of a proven criminal and con man.

Your entire life is now spent trying to make people think these things are equal.

#148 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-23 01:21 PM | Reply

"Whatever the rioters in D.C. thought they could do, there was no constitutional path that led to DJT being president beyond noon on Jan 20."

So? The guy who tried to meet the cop posing as the underage girl could never have met the underage girl.

#149 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-23 01:24 PM | Reply

Do you think their constituents voted for them because they were segregationists or despite it? (careful, this is a trick question)

#142 | POSTED BY BLUSKY AT 2021-07-23 12:18 PM

Even in the '80's and '90's these people reliably voted Democrat, you know, the party of the working class.

#150 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-23 01:28 PM | Reply

"You know, that's exactly what they said about MLK, John Lewis, and the entire Civil Rights Movement in the 60's. Claimed they were all communists."

MLK was a Republican.

And just out of curiosity, don't you find it the least bit demeaning as a black person when the Dems say that new voting laws will disproportionately affect people of color and marginalized communities? I read that as saying that the same rules apply to white voters, but unlike people of color and marginalized communities, whites are somehow better equipped to reconcile these changes?

If I'm correct, you're a black person. And they're calling you to dumb to understand these changes. And what you really need is a progressive white savior.

#151 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-23 02:57 PM | Reply

"MLK was a Republican."

This got debunked last time.
Do we really have to do it again?

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-23 02:59 PM | Reply

MLK was a Republican.

LMAO!

#153 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-23 03:00 PM | Reply

This got debunked last time.
Do we really have to do it again?
#152 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Was it posted by MythBoofer? Then yes.

He'll keep posting that lie on every thread he can.

#154 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-23 03:02 PM | Reply

You guys are right. He was a Democrat.

Correct?

#155 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-23 04:02 PM | Reply

Democrats need to suck Republican ----

#156 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-23 06:15 PM | Reply

Interesting.
I've found that Republican married men drop to their knees when I'm around.
I've never complained, mind you.

#157 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-23 08:40 PM | Reply

MLK was a Republican.

#151 | Posted by madbomber

Back before your party realized they couldn't get enough votes by only representing the rich, so they chose to become the party of racists too.

Let's test your intellectual honesty.
Do you think MLK would be a republican today?

#158 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-23 10:47 PM | Reply

Do you think MLK would be a republican today?
#158 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

He never was one.

#159 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-23 10:54 PM | Reply

"Whatever the rioters in D.C. thought they could do, there was no constitutional path that led to DJT being president beyond noon on Jan 20."

If they could prevent the certification of the vote, it would be tossed to the House where there are more red states than blue = Trump wins (1 vote per state).

#160 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-23 11:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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