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Saturday, July 24, 2021

The participant in the Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol riots nicknamed the "QAnon Shaman" is negotiating a possible plea deal with prosecutors, after prison psychologists found he suffers from a variety of mental illnesses, his attorney said.

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No kidding... I wonder how many others are criminally insane.

#1 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-23 10:59 AM | Reply

So put him in a mental facility till he's better and then put them in prison.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-23 11:21 AM | Reply

So put him in a mental facility till he's better and then put them in prison.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-23 11:21 AM | Reply

"officials at the federal Bureau of Prisons, or BOP, have diagnosed his client Jacob Chansley with transient schizophrenia"

Transient? Got to love it. Yes, when you give him meds he thinks better.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-23 11:36 AM | Reply

"prison psychologists found he suffers from a variety of mental illnesses"

Best health care system in the world!

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-23 11:43 AM | Reply

Tor,

Mental health is something that is tricky. I don't believe a normal prison necessarily fits for the insane if they are released from a mental facility. Their actions are not necessarily under their control (see below) at the time of the incident. Confinement in a mental facility? Sure.

There are some sticky things though. IF you are found criminally insane, brought to a center that houses the criminally insane and then your mental health is brought under control... Should you be released? I think this is a genuine "depends" kind of thing. What exactly were you guilty of doing while insane? What is the likelihood you would do something again if you quit your meds, they became less effective, you were out of balance, etc.? Would you be likely to even stay on your medications?

If you are released it should be conditionally - you are after all guilty of committing a crime while insane. You should have to have a weekly or monthly check in for blood work and a quick evaluation. If you were to go off your meds willfully because you didn't like the way they made you feel or whatever - lock you up in a mental facility and throw away the key in my book. My wife used to work for a lawyer who represented patients at state mental hospital in sort of a public defender kind of role. That was some serious stuff and it was usually mostly routine - most of the patients that needed to be kept confined did not want to be released even when the medications had them mostly under control. They were aware of what they were capable of and afraid of repeating the past or knew the meds were not doing enough. Some truly sad cases there. The staff (and even some of the patients) warned her each visit to be very careful around certain "inmates" who seemed normal but were not.

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-23 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5 | Posted by snoofy

Not really. My understanding is a significant percentage of the imprisoned population suffer from mental illness and it is left untreated or they receive minimal treatment. This is due to pushes by vindictive victims and public opinion that started to question what roll insanity has in regard to crime - especially violent crime - decades ago. It is hard to blame victims but they can and do become particularly vicious and go on the attack against mental illness pleas.

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-23 01:14 PM | Reply

"significant percentage of the imprisoned population suffer from mental illness"

Homeless too.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-23 01:20 PM | Reply

I don't care if you are mentally ill or not. You do the crime, you should do the time. The "not guilty by reason of insanity plea" needs to go away.

Most people that commit crimes are mentally ill, including the former Orange Skidmark that used to be president.

#9 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-07-23 04:47 PM | Reply

This would have been a surefire defense if they had let him wear that ridiculous outfit in court.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-23 04:52 PM | Reply

A "plea deal"? What could he possibly have on offer? The whereabouts of his horns and wand?

#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2021-07-24 07:24 AM | Reply

Chronic Republicl0wnery is more like it.

The guy managed to get himself to DC, paint his face, wear an unusual costume and break into the capital building.

He's eccentric is all. He can be eccentric in jail.

#12 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-07-24 08:58 PM | Reply

@#12 ... He's eccentric is all. ...

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#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-07-24 09:12 PM | Reply

He could testify as to who put him up to his actions.

#14 | Posted by TenMile at 2021-07-24 09:14 PM | Reply

A strict vegan diet will allow him to recover from the awful events that occurred on that fateful day.
He only asks that he be allowed occasional Americone Dream ice cream made from wholesome milk from contented cows.

#15 | Posted by LesWit at 2021-07-24 10:01 PM | Reply

"As he spent more time in solitary confinement ... the decline in his acuity was noticeable, even to an untrained eye," Watkins said in an interview on Thursday.

This is absolutely ------- abhorrent. This is cruel and inhuman treatment of a person not even convicted of a crime. But this is what passes for justice in this ------ up country of ours. Yeah, just ------- lock em up, throw away the key, who cares about the mental health of our fellow human beings.

Our nation is sick, diseased even. Locking a person with schizophrenia in solitary confinement is a symptom of a profoundly broken system.

And those on this thread who say to just ignore the problem? Well, I ask where is your humanity? Have some compassion for the sick! Would you keep a cancer patient away from their meds? Would you tell a diabetic to not take his meds? Someone suffering from something like schizophrenia are just as sick. Their sickness manifests itself in anti-social actions. It is sad but true. Most schizophrenics live a life of hell. And when their sickness takes hold of them, they are incapable of acting rationally, they simply cannot make rational choices. Society has to understand this and accommodate. Otherwise, it is just cruelty.

And meds are not a end all be all solution. It is incredibly difficult to find an effective medicinal cocktail that works. Often the individual has comorbidities or other issues where the right cocktail may not exist. Or the meds lose effectiveness over time.

what is the solution? To start with society has to completely restructure how it deals with mental health issues, from the bottom up. Stop putting them in jails, make mental health hospitals more therapeutic and less like holding cells. Invest in mental health treatment, invest in medical research for drugs and therapies. Stop enabling the disfunction that runs through our society. Start having empathy and compassion for our fellow man.

It won't happen cause Americans are stupid and fearful and superstitious and just plain mean.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2021-07-24 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"This is absolutely ------- abhorrent. This is cruel and inhuman treatment of a person not even convicted of a crime."

It's literally torture.
It's intended to break a person.
Right-wingers love it.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-24 10:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's literally torture.
It's intended to break a person.
Right-wingers love it.

#17 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Good! Give them a taste of their own medicine.

Playing the "moral high ground game" is what got us Trumpism in the first place.

Ef them!

#18 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-07-25 01:50 AM | Reply

#18 Go get water-boarded you ------- psychopath

#19 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-25 01:52 AM | Reply

I kinda feel bad for the Q Shamen. I'm glad he's realized he was just a tool.

That's more than I can say for our new Q Moran. Get a brain!

#20 | Posted by horstngraben at 2021-07-25 01:57 AM | Reply

And he had to eat non-vegan food in jail! The horror!!

Seriously, he was living with his mother in January. Things weren't going well in his life.

#21 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-25 02:37 AM | Reply

QAnon Shaman got kicked out of the Navy for refusing an anthrax shot.

Vwww.military.com

Republicl0wnery at its best.

#22 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-07-25 03:15 AM | Reply

It won't happen cause Americans are stupid and fearful and superstitious and just plain mean.

#16 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2021-07-24 10:28 PM | REPLY | FLAG:EYE ROLL

Speaking of superstitious... he called himself the QAnon Shaman! He painted his face, wore animal skins, danced and did incantations, as a "tribute to Native Americans", he got himself to the capitol building, he got himself inside the capitol building.

Those are the actions of a man with an agenda.

He is not nuts He's a republicl0wn.

#23 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2021-07-25 03:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

QAnon Shaman got kicked out of the Navy for refusing an anthrax shot.

I don't get it.

I've been vaccinated for more diseases than I can count:

Polio
Measles
Rubella
Smallpox
COVID
Pneumonia
Flu
Yellow Fever
Dengue Fever
Malaria
Meningococcal
Tetanus-diphtheria
Typhoid
Rabies
Shingles

I've probably forgotten some.

And 've never contracted any of the diseases for which I've been vaccinated.

Weird how that works, eh?

#24 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-25 03:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"He is not nuts He's a republicl0wn."

RIGHTISTRITE nailed it.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-25 06:43 AM | Reply

And 've never contracted any of the diseases for which I've been vaccinated.

Weird how that works, eh?

I haven't been vaccinated for any of those, and I've never contracted any of those diseases.

Weird how that works, eh ------?

#26 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-25 08:11 AM | Reply

#26 - you truly are an idiot all the way through to your core. Wow.

prison psychologists found he suffers from a variety of mental illnesses

He is a Trump supporter. This is an obvious diagnosis. I want to know if he suffered them before they tortured him?

This is absolutely ------- abhorrent

Completely agree. The system is wretched and should be torn down and rebuilt. Do you remember Kalief Browder? If not look him up.

Don't get me wrong. I wish they'd try all these MFers, and any they find guilty of sedition or treason I'd like to see imprisoned for life. There is no excuse, however, for mistreatment of anyone.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-25 08:35 AM | Reply

"I want to know if he suffered them before they tortured him?"

It seems like a reach that he didn't.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-25 09:57 AM | Reply

" I haven't been vaccinated for any of those, and I've never contracted any of those diseases. Weird how that works ... "

Not weird at all.

AU got those vaccines because he's traveled the world.

You haven't needed them, since you rarely venture out of mom's basement, and those particular cooties don't visit mom's basement.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-25 09:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know he's been vaccinated against:
Polio
Measles
Rubella
Smallpox*
Tetanus-diphtheria

*based on poster's age.

He's just a lying sack o' s**t trying to stir the pot while screaming out for attention.

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-25 10:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

16 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2021-07-24 10:28 PM | REPLY |

I agree with what you said and no doubt a lot of people don't understand mental illness but from my experience the biggest problem is getting the patient to cooperate with the treatment.

I've seen a lot of people with mental illness who say....there's nothing wrong with me, you people are the problem.

#31 | Posted by ScottE at 2021-07-25 11:07 AM | Reply

18 Go get water-boarded you ------- psychopath

#19 | POSTED BY SAMS

You and that lying coward Sean Hannity first. Show us how it's not torture like he said he would. (Then chickened out)

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-25 01:34 PM | Reply

Tell us something we didn't know. Schizoids of a feather belong together.

"If I did 1/10 of what (they have done) I would be in jail."

So ...

"Lock Them Up!"

"Lock Them Up!"

"Lock Them Up!"

Treat them by their own standards so they know how it feels.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-25 02:15 PM | Reply

The Reich wing often fantasize about murdering some who breaks into their house.

This guy broke into Americas house.
Kill him.

#34 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-26 01:54 AM | Reply

It's insurrection.

There's no mental health excuse to excuse this.

Execute him.

#35 | Posted by Sycophant at 2021-07-26 09:48 AM | Reply

His indictment. It looks like only #5 is a felony. They'll plead that down, hit him with fines and community service. Does the fed do time credit? If they give him a year right now he'd be out in 5 months and back to his mom's basement.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-26 10:01 AM | Reply

If they give him a year right now he'd be out in 5 months and back to his mom's basement.

#36 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

As a convicted felon.

I am sure his mom will be so proud. Hope he enjoys his future job prospects.

No more voting and no federal cash assistance or food stamps for him.

You are not eligible for Social Security disability benefits (SSDI) if: your disability arose (or was made worse) while you were committing a felony.

But if he lives long enough he can still get some of that sweet gubmint social security!!

He should be really good and hungry ... desperate and ready for the next insurrection Trumpy calls for.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-26 11:49 AM | Reply

That's assuming he pleas as a felony and it's not downgraded to a lesser misdemeanor. Either way, his future job is monetizing Trumpers on a streaming service by starting a conspiracy channel. What else is he gonna do to make money? As you noted, prospects are pretty grim.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-26 11:55 AM | Reply

"Either way, his future job is monetizing Trumpers on a streaming service by starting a conspiracy channel."

What a depressing (and accurate) thought.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-26 11:58 AM | Reply

Sorry :(

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2021-07-26 12:38 PM | Reply

That's assuming he pleas as a felony and it's not downgraded to a lesser misdemeanor. Either way, his future job is monetizing Trumpers on a streaming service by starting a conspiracy channel. What else is he gonna do to make money? As you noted, prospects are pretty grim.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Are you kidding? His prospects are excellent. YOu can get very rich ripping off stupid trump supporters, the most gullible morons on the planet. He'll make more money joining some propaganda channel than he would have in any other job he could have gotten.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-26 12:38 PM | Reply

Are you kidding? His prospects are excellent. YOu can get very rich ripping off stupid trump supporters, the most gullible morons on the planet.

Trump has $75,000,000 donated by them - for which he's spent $0 for the stated fundraising purpose - as proof positive.

#42 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-26 06:13 PM | Reply

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