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Friday, July 23, 2021

Most Americans who haven't been vaccinated against COVID-19 say they are unlikely to get the shots and doubt they would work against the aggressive delta variant despite evidence they do, according to a new poll that underscores the challenges facing public health officials amid soaring infections in some states.

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...And overall, Republicans are far more likely than Democrats to say they have not been vaccinated and definitely or probably won't be, 43% to 10%.

Views are also divided along age and education lines: Thirty-seven percent of those under age 45 say they haven't and likely won't get the shots, compared with just 16% of those older. And those without college degrees are more likely than those with them to say they aren't and won't be vaccinated, 30% to 18%....


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-07-23 12:26 PM | Reply

Related...

Op-Ed: Canada is ahead of the US in COVID-19 vaccination rates because it's not political
www.digitaljournal.com

...News that Canada has surpassed the United States, as well as all other countries in the world in its vaccination rate for the coronavirus created quite a stir in the media, not only in the U.S. but internationally. There was also a bit of finger-pointing.

One person with enough intestinal fortitude to be open and honest in accessing Canada's success is Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

In a recent interview with CNN News, according to CBC Canada, Fauci was asked what happened and why Canada had surpassed the U.S. in the rate of first and second doses despite the U.S.'s months-long head start.

"Canada is doing better not because we are trying any less than they are trying. It's because in Canada you don't have that divisiveness of people not wanting to get vaccinated, in many respects, on the basis of ideology and political persuasion," he replied.

"I mean, political differences are totally understandable and a natural part of the process in any country. But when it comes to a public health issue, in which you're in the middle of a deadly pandemic and the common enemy is the virus, it just doesn't make any sense ... That's a public health issue. That's not political. That's not ideological. It's a public health issue."...


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2021-07-23 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The politicization of the virus is part and parcel of America's politicization of health care itself.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-23 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

F--k these people, let them die.

#4 | Posted by qcp at 2021-07-23 02:20 PM | Reply

CDC tool for tracking Vaccination Rates and Social Vulnerability.

Interestingly enough no Texas or Hawaii data

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-23 02:45 PM | Reply

#4 | Posted by qcp

If only it was that simple, I would be fine with that result.

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2021-07-23 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Welcome to dumbfukistan.

#7 | Posted by a_monson at 2021-07-23 04:48 PM | Reply

Video is worth a watch:

46 y.o. Brandon Haynes from #Louisiana died from COVID. "I asked him to take the vaccine & he wouldn't. The best way I can honor him is to request friends and family members take the vaccine." Mom provided a vaccine clinic at his funeral

twitter.com

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-23 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"..And overall, Republicans are far more likely than Democrats to say they have not been vaccinated and definitely or probably won't be, 43% to 10%."

Unfortunately, that describes my dad. In my state, most of the people who are young and conservative are getting vaccinated. It's the old "Conservatives" and blacks who are most vaccine hesitant.

#9 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2021-07-23 09:06 PM | Reply

Only the dumbest of people would go, "hm, vaccine or ICU and death" and decide on the latter.

This is what the dumbing down of America has accomplished for the GOP. It's killing and maiming their own voters.

Let' em all die if they want to. Just don't kill the rest of us who believe in science with ya ...

#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-23 10:34 PM | Reply

US virus cases nearly triple in 2 weeks amid misinformation

MISSION, Kan. (AP) " COVID-19 cases nearly tripled in the U.S. over two weeks amid an onslaught of vaccine misinformation that is straining hospitals, exhausting doctors and pushing clergy into the fray.

"Our staff, they are frustrated," said Chad Neilsen, director of infection prevention at UF Health Jacksonville, a Florida hospital that is canceling elective surgeries and procedures after the number of mostly unvaccinated COVID-19 inpatients at its two campuses jumped to 134, up from a low of 16 in mid-May.

apnews.com

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-23 10:36 PM | Reply

The leftists here can whine about the Trumpers rejecting the vaccine, but why aren't your own people taking it? Why is the CDC not at 100% vaccination rate if the risk/benefit is so clear cut? The Dems have a huge messaging issue and the government secrecy on the vaccine efficacy/side-effect is only making this worse.

#12 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-23 10:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Take a remedial reading course, EBAY.

BTW, 100% of House Dems in have had their vaccines. Only 43% of Republicans have.

#13 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-23 10:43 PM | Reply

The leftists here can whine about the Trumpers rejecting the vaccine

#12 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR AT

Whine? I damn you for not taking the vaccine.

But the virus will continue to take care of you people as it has.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-23 10:49 PM | Reply

"BTW, 100% of House Dems in have had their vaccines. Only 43% of Republicans have.
#13 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

House Dems, yep. Dems in general? Nope. Especially those young Dems. Why aren't you yelling at them? Why isn't Biden saying "If you are not vaccinated, you are not a Democrat"?

#15 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-23 10:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Why isn't Biden saying "If you are not vaccinated, you are not a Democrat"?

#15 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR

People who don't vaccinate hate their country, along with being stupid.

You disagree?

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-23 10:52 PM | Reply

"People who don't vaccinate hate their country, along with being stupid.
You disagree?
#16 | POSTED BY ZED"

MIT just did a study on the unvaccinated. Their conclusion was exactly the opposite of the people being stupid. So, seems like your fight is with MIT, not me. Second, vaccinating has nothing to do with hating or loving their country unless you hate freedom. In the US, we have ownership over our bodies and the government should not legislate what medicines we do or do not take. If you want people to take it, make a convincing argument to do so. If you are unable to do that and need to resort to force, I think you need to re-evaluate why the vaccine is needed.

#17 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-23 10:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Their (MIT) conclusion was exactly the opposite of the people being stupid

17 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR AT 2

Then they haven't been talking to the ant-vaxxers I've met personally.

This is Texas. Infections are up and so are COVID deaths. Mostly among you smart people.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-23 11:02 PM | Reply

Do they also not wear seatbelts because they don't save every nascar driver?

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-23 11:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you want people to take it, make a convincing argument to do so.

#17 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR

I've been going with simple self-preservation.

If you can offer something better, have on. I would really like to hear it. If it's any good, I'll pass it on to the people really trying to stop this thing.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-23 11:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No snappy comeback?

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-23 11:06 PM | Reply

#17 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR

No one but murderous personalities are sorry that Trump is gone. The COVID Massacre is what he will be remembered for. You are only making his claim to fame nastier.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-23 11:09 PM | Reply

1/2 a million dead Americans, the roughening of political discourse, the insurrection. These are the things trump will be known for. Nothing good.

#23 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-23 11:13 PM | Reply

#15 | Posted by ebayrepair

Partisanship continues to be the defining factor determining which Americans are willing to get vaccinated and which are not: 43% of Republicans say they will avoid the vaccine, compared with just 5% of Democrats, and 22% of independents say they want to avoid getting the vaccine altogether.

#24 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-23 11:18 PM | Reply

#12 what government secrecy on the vaccine efficacy/side-effects?

They have been releasing that info as soon as they find out.

#25 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-23 11:22 PM | Reply

The government hasn't released much on long haul Covid because the analysis is tricky. Causation is hard.

#26 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-23 11:26 PM | Reply

"This is Texas. Infections are up and so are COVID deaths. Mostly among you smart people.
#18 | POSTED BY ZED"

Actually, based on the data and not your emotions, what you said is 100% wrong.

data.cdc.gov

Download the data sets, graph by ages (all sexes).

In the US overall, total death from covid for those under 45 were 817 in March'2021 and 415 in June'2021, a redux of almost 50%. Additionally, as a share of covid deaths, it was about 7% in June for this group. So, no, there have not been upticks amongst young, smart people. A vast, vast majority of deaths are occurring in the group that is NOT vaccine resistant according to this article (45+ crowd). This tends to imply the people dying of covid may not be vaccinated, but it is not because of hesitancy. Perhaps what we are seeing is the people too sick to take the vaccine dying now. As a testament to this, the US "excess deaths" are now negative, likely because covid took a few months off the lives of those that would be dying now in the absence of covid.

I will add, for those under 35, the total covid deaths was 135, or 2.2% of June covid deaths. If you were in this age range and planning to start a family, I completely understand their hesitancy to get vaccinated as the unknown risk to their kids outweighs the covid death reduction risk in their minds.

Again, I am sorry for bringing actual data to this thread but I think it is important to understand it rather than just emotional arguments about people hating their country and deserving to die.

#27 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-23 11:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I should note, we have 149M Americans under age 35. So, the 135 deaths represents 0.00009% of the population died in June from covid.

#28 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-23 11:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Where did all the Leftists go? Incapable of a data based discussion where your emotions don't matter?

#29 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 12:05 AM | Reply

I don't know about leftists but some people are saying the antivaxers are just kid rock conservatives being scared of needles

Because you know, they are weak-knee ------

#30 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-24 12:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't know about leftists but some people are saying the antivaxers are just kid rock conservatives being scared of needles
#30 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES"

Well, no one ever claimed that stupid people don't hold stupid thoughts about antivaxers. Also, I would not even put this comment in the 'emotional' category that leftists usually use when trying to argue. I would just categorize your comment as blatantly stupid and a very poor attempt to arguing.

If you want to discuss the data I posted, have at it.

#31 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 12:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#27 The risk of death from Covid is not the current death rate for the unvaccinated. It is the cumulative risk until vaccination changes the risk. Vaccination reduces the risk of death by 99%.
Covid cases are climbing rapidly. Illness and death lags infection.

There is no evidence that vaccines have any risks greater than Covid. Best guess is 99%.

#32 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-24 12:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

99% lower risk.

#33 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-24 12:41 AM | Reply

I will add, for those under 35, the total covid deaths was 135, or 2.2% of June covid deaths. If you were in this age range and planning to start a family, I completely understand their hesitancy to get vaccinated as the unknown risk to their kids outweighs the covid death reduction risk in their minds.
Again, I am sorry for bringing actual data to this thread but I think it is important to understand it rather than just emotional arguments about people hating their country and deserving to die.
#27 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR

Too bad you stopped just long enough to make a baseless assertion.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 12:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There is no evidence that vaccines have any risks greater than Covid. Best guess is 99%.

#32 | POSTED BY BORED

Current evidence suggests its far far lower chances.

www.cdc.gov

You have two choices-get COVID and risk long term effects or death or get vaccinated and risk short term pain or discomfort.

No other choices exist at this point.

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 12:52 AM | Reply

Time to do what France is doing, vaccine passports. Feel free to decline the vaccine, but don't expect to go to any public event, or dinner, or the movies, or fly, or use public transportation. The unvaccinated are screwing life up for those of us who were responsible and got the jab. You have the right to decline the vaccine, you don'have the right to infect others, period!

#36 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-07-24 12:56 AM | Reply

"Too bad you stopped just long enough to make a baseless assertion.
#34 | POSTED BY JPW"

Are you old enough to remember Thalidomide? If I was in the under 35 age bracket and was thinking about having kids, I would probably chose not to get vaccinated unless I had another underlying condition.

Your problem is that you think all the risks/side-effects are known. I agree with that in the case of covid - possible death, possible long-term health consequences. However, thinking we understand the same for the side effects of the vaccine is just dishonest. We don't. Vaccines usually require a 2 or 3 year trial on these impacts and yet, we still have unknown side effects arise.

If you want to reach the vaccine hesitant, I suggest you focus on coming up with a compelling argument against that rather than saying that the people themselves will die (statically, the odds are about 0%) or that they are scared of needles.

#37 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 01:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Your problem is that you think all the risks/side-effects are known.

No. That's just what ignorant people (*cough*you*cough*) say when you want to sound smart but don't really have a solid argument.

Yes, I've heard of thalidomide.

The primary difference being small molecule treatments are vastly different than vaccines. They're far more unpredictable because you can't know what off target effects they'll have by either interacting with targets you don't intend or by unintended downstream changes in the biology/biochemistry of the person receiving the compound.

Vaccines are merely an introduction of a foreign substance to induce an immune response against it. A rather crude process that looks sexier than it is.

Vaccines usually require a 2 or 3 year trial on these impacts and yet, we still have unknown side effects arise.

Length of trials is largely to monitor for efficacy, ie how long does the response last and how long does it remain protective. You're NOT going to have a reaction to a vaccine 3 years post-injection.

I suggest you focus on coming up with a compelling argument against that

LOL like I need your advice.

The rational(s) for being vaccine hesitant are based on pure unadulterated ignorant --------. Facts are irrelevant. Reality is irrelevant. Your laughable condescension is irrelevant.

The only thing that will shake the abysmally stupid from their prominence of ignorance is personal experience. This is, unfortunately, a human condition that will likely never go away.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 01:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We need mandatory Lockdown for those that refuse the vaccine. They can go on home arrest.

#39 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-07-24 01:39 AM | Reply

"There is no evidence that vaccines have any risks greater than Covid. Best guess is 99%.
#32 | POSTED BY BORED"

Well, except for you being 100% wrong.

www.irishexaminer.com
The study, published in the weekly edition of the Eurosurveillance journal, models four months of a vaccine distribution strategy in France involving Vaxzevria (commonly called AstraZeneca) from May 2021, and concludes that using the vaccine on the entire adult population there would avert 10 deaths from Covid among 18-39-year-olds, but would be associated with 21 deaths from blood clotting in the same age grouping over the same time period.

#40 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 01:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ebay Good luck with Covid. You have to promise if you end up in the hospital you have to make a thread, so we can make fun of you. Especially if you think you might pass from it.

#41 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-07-24 01:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Ebay Good luck with Covid. You have to promise if you end up in the hospital you have to make a thread, so we can make fun of you. Especially if you think you might pass from it.
#41 | POSTED BY BYRDMAN"

I am scheduled to get the AZ vaccine on Tuesday. So, I will be sure to update you.

#42 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 01:51 AM | Reply

so you'll be person 22 to get clots?

or do your arguments suck ----?

#43 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-24 01:53 AM | Reply

I am scheduled to get the AZ vaccine on Tuesday.

How did that happen?

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-24 02:04 AM | Reply

but would be associated with 21 deaths from blood clotting in the same age grouping over the same time period.

#40 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR

Well, first of all, your assumption is that death is the only negative effect.

Second, the study is from May. What were the numbers used at that time and have they been updated.

You're proving a perfect example of why laypeople and science don't mix. You're prone to selecting studies that support your conclusion instead of reading widely and reporting THAT conclusion.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 02:06 AM | Reply

How did that happen?

#44 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Bitter expat coming here to whine.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 02:12 AM | Reply

"How did that happen?
#44 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

I was deemed business essential by the government in the country where I live so I am moved up the queue to get the vaccine. However, due to limited amounts, I don't have an assurance when the 2nd dose can be administered.

#47 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 02:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"so you'll be person 22 to get clots?
or do your arguments suck ----?
#43 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

That is 21 people that DIE from the blood clots compared to 10 that would die from covid. So, by taking the vaccine, you are more than doubling your chance of dying. I guess in your world, that is a great trade off. With critical thinking like that, I am surprised you survived the Tidepod challenge.

#48 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 02:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

However, due to limited amounts, I don't have an assurance when the 2nd dose can be administered.

Well just yesterday you said getting the first one was an insurmountable obstacle, so hang in there.

#49 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-24 02:19 AM | Reply

That is 21 people that DIE from the blood clots compared to 10 that would die from covid. So, by taking the vaccine, you are more than doubling your chance of dying. I guess in your world, that is a great trade off. With critical thinking like that, I am surprised you survived the Tidepod challenge.

#48 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR

How old is Alexandrite?

Or were you planning on just ignoring the age dependency of that modeling?

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 02:22 AM | Reply

if the vaccine is so dangerous why are you taking it?

#51 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-24 02:39 AM | Reply

alexandrite is not 18-39, jpw.

I'm 43.

#52 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-24 02:41 AM | Reply

Well no wonder he/she/comrade went silent.

After bragging up their data prowess they make the rookie mistake of presenting a singular vaccine as supposedly killing 2.1x the number of people as killed by COVID as the norm.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 02:55 AM | Reply

"Well just yesterday you said getting the first one was an insurmountable obstacle, so hang in there.
#49 | POSTED BY REDIAL"

It is if I am relying on competence from the Biden administration in getting the vaccine. Thankfully, other governments are not as incapable of vaccinating those that want to be vaccinated.

#54 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 02:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"After bragging up their data prowess they make the rookie mistake of presenting a singular vaccine as supposedly killing 2.1x the number of people as killed by COVID as the norm.
#53 | POSTED BY JPW"

I provided the actual data with links. You have presented....nothing. Just some emotion mixed with stupidity. And I did not conduct the study, I just linked to the results. Maybe after the VAERS data is cleaned up, probably won't happen under a corrupt and incompetent admin like Biden, we will finally know the risks associated with the dominant vaccines used in the US.

#55 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 02:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just some emotion mixed with stupidity.

No, moron, that's not what I presented and you didn't do what you described.

You blatantly misrepresented the results of the study.

And VAERS data is meaningless. There's zero control on reporting and it's intentionally conservative to ensure nothing is missed. Which means a ton of chaff gets mixed in wit the wheat.

What you'll have to wait for is statistical analysis of VAERS data by real statisticians, not a "cleaned up" VAERS data, which has nothing to do with Biden.

Why do idiot righties always try to look non-partisan but then burst forth in a rage of partisan ignorance only days later? Do you think we can't spot you by your overcompensated "neutrality"?

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 03:04 AM | Reply

#40 Here is the link to the actual study your are referring to.
www.eurosurveillance.org
The study compares predictions of deaths, not actual deaths. It bases those predictions on some assumptions, which are not true, or won't be true.
First the study does not consider the delta variant, which already invalidates their predictions.
Second the study only predicted increased deaths if all adults were vaccinated with the AZ vaccine. That isn't happening.

Still no evidence that vaccines are more dangerous than Covid. You remain 100% wrong.

#57 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-24 03:18 AM | Reply

Second the study only predicted increased deaths if all adults were vaccinated with the AZ vaccine. That isn't happening.

In fact they explicitly state that if the AZ vaccine were limited to adults 50 (or 55) or older there would be far more lives saved from COVID than lost from the vaccine.

THAT PARTICULAR vaccine.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 03:21 AM | Reply

>Vaccines usually require a 2 or 3 year trial on these impacts and yet, we still have unknown side effects arise.

We ALREADY know COVID can kill you or leave serious damage in its wake, and that there's a 99% chance vaccines will keep you from getting seriously ill or ending up in the ICU/Morgue.

When did you lose your ability to think logically, idiot?

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-24 03:36 AM | Reply

Yesterday:

81,732 new COVID cases (that we know of)

They've risen substantially every single day this week.

Soon, daily deaths will be back over 1000

All the COVID victim's corpses will have been UNVACCINATED before dying!

#60 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-24 03:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah but freedumz!

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 03:58 AM | Reply

And he runs again! LOL

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 04:11 AM | Reply

"First the study does not consider the delta variant, which already invalidates their predictions."

It would only make the antivax case stronger as AZ is not effective at stopping delta.

"Second the study only predicted increased deaths if all adults were vaccinated with the AZ vaccine. That isn't happening."

No, it considered a sampling of if the whole population was vaccinated as opposed to not vaccinated and found that for people under 35, they are twice as likely to die of the vaccine as they are of covid.

"Still no evidence that vaccines are more dangerous than Covid. You remain 100% wrong.
#57 | POSTED BY BORED"

Only because you have your head wedged up your ass to the extent that you lack reading comprehension.

#63 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 04:25 AM | Reply

Thin the herd. Cull the dolts.

#64 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-24 04:32 AM | Reply

"In fact they explicitly state that if the AZ vaccine were limited to adults 50 (or 55) or older there would be far more lives saved from COVID than lost from the vaccine.
THAT PARTICULAR vaccine.
#58 | POSTED BY JPW"

No one is arguing differently. Seriously, read all the comments prior to this thread and maybe you can make a coherent argument without relying on strawmen. The specific argument is vaccine hesitancy with the young (under 45). As I have shown with the US stats, that age group is at almost zero risk, I would argue zero risk for people without pre-existing conditions. Yet, the study I posted showed that the KNOWN SIDE EFFECTS of the vaccine is 2x more likely to kill this group of people than covid. What was not addressed is the unknown side effect on unborn children of people that vaccinate as there has not been enough time to study this. So, these young people may be selfish in that they will not take on a elevated risk of death to vaccinate for the good of society, but the specific decision on a personal level not to vaccine is supported by the science.

#65 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 04:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

No one is arguing differently.

You did with your vague (intentionally?) language. In fact you use the same vague language in your post I'm quoting from.

The specific argument is vaccine hesitancy with the young (under 45).

No ----.

As I have shown with the US stats, that age group is at almost zero risk of death, I would argue zero risk of death for people without pre-existing conditions.

Fixed that for you.

Are you ignorant or just dishonest?

Yet, the study modeling I posted showed that the KNOWN SIDE EFFECTS of the vaccine is 2x more likely to kill this group of people than covid.

Multiple errors on this one. Question is whether they're intentional.

It's a model.

Describing a single effect of a single vaccine, not THE vaccine, in a particular age group of recipients.

Buck up or shut up.

What was not addressed is the unknown side effect on unborn children of people that vaccinate as there has not been enough time to study this.

You know what else wasn't addressed? The survivability of toes among of vaccinated individuals in 5.6 years.

What evidence do you have that fertility is a problem here? What other vaccine has reduced fertility? Real links, please. No Zero Hedge.

So, these young people may be selfish in that they will not take on a elevated risk of death to vaccinate for the good of society, but the specific decision on a personal level not to vaccine is supported by the science.

#65 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR

What science? Citations necessary.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 04:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No one is arguing differently.
You did with your vague (intentionally?) language."

No. Everything that I posted focused on that age group as outlined in the original article. Perhaps you can read it again.

"It's a model."

And? So, your problem is that they didn't carry it out and then add up the dead 1 year later? Are you a moron or something? Basically everything we do in life is based off of models that take a limited sample size and extrapolate the results. At this point, I can't take you for someone putting forth a serious argument.

"Describing a single effect of a single vaccine, not THE vaccine, in a particular age group of recipients.
Buck up or shut up."

Yes, this focused solely on the blood clots that killed a bunch of people with the AZ vaccine. The side effects are similar to that of the J&J vaccine, which is why no one in the US wants it. It did not account for all the other claimed side effects and doing so would only make the outcomes even more lopsided in favor of the antivax crowd.

"What evidence do you have that fertility is a problem here? What other vaccine has reduced fertility? Real links, please. No Zero Hedge."

Reduced fertility? We don't know. Longer term birth defects? We don't know. Your ASSUMPTION is that there is zero risk. Then again, no one accused you of being smart.

"#65 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR
What science? Citations necessary."

I posted links. You posted emotional appeals and outright nonsense. Someone should take your shovel away as you are only going to encourage more people to not to vaxed.

#67 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 05:22 AM | Reply

Having read several of your posts
from above Ebayrepair, I can't tell
if your just Shrill, Stupid, or a
Snowflake...

Hmm. I'm guessing some sort of
combination of the three...

Your Kung -- is weak man, weak...

#68 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-07-24 07:17 AM | Reply

In other news, if people,
due to either rabid political
or religious belief want to
take themselves out, and
potentially take out their
families as well, I'd say, "Well,
if that's what you truly want...
who am I to get in your way?"

It's dumb, illogical, and a
thoroughly Republican sort of
outlook on life, but then again,
I repeat myself...

#69 | Posted by earthmuse at 2021-07-24 07:23 AM | Reply

#27 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR

Most (vast, vast majority) of those dying in Texas and elsewhere from COVID are unvaccinated.

You don't have a point. There's something wrong with you.

#70 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-24 07:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

| Posted by ebayrepair

Jesus wept...what a farkin' moron.

What handle did this half-wit used to post under?

#71 | Posted by Angrydad at 2021-07-24 07:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ira --------

#72 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-24 08:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Most (vast, vast majority) of those dying in Texas and elsewhere from COVID are unvaccinated.
#70 | POSTED BY ZED"

Okay, so why are they not vaccinated? Per the original article, there is hesitancy for people under 45 and really no hesitancy for those over 45. So, if the reason why they are not vaccinated and dying is because of hesitancy, we should see a bunch of this under 45 dying. But we don't. In Texas, the people in this segment were 56 of 664 covid deaths in June. This is down from 139 deaths in this group in March. In the under 35 segment, this was 19 deaths in June and Texas has not recorded a covid death in someone under 25 from March to July. So, why would someone under 25 get the vaccine? Literally no deaths in the last 5 months+. So, why should they be scared? They should be much more concerned about run away inflation, a lost year plus of schooling, and retardation in their social skills because of masking than dying of covid. Again, these are the numbers, not your emotions.

#73 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 09:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

we should see a bunch of this under 45 dying

Why? What they are doing is infecting many others, thereby keeping the virus spreading. A simple concept that has been explained 1000 times now.

#74 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-24 09:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" and really no hesitancy for those over 45."

Well, since the dying are almost all unvaccinated, there is clearly enough, especially since you're using relative wording.

#75 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-24 09:32 AM | Reply

So, if the reason why they are not vaccinated and dying is because of hesitancy, we should see a bunch of this under 45 dying. But we don't. In Texas, the people in this segment were 56 of 664 covid deaths in June.

Eight percent isn't "a bunch?" How much then?

"In the under 35 segment, this was 19 deaths in June and Texas has not recorded a covid death in someone under 25 from March to July. So, why would someone under 25 get the vaccine?"

To build up herd immunity and protect the people over 45.

"The number of deaths per year caused by diphtheria, a vaccine-preventable disease, in the United States has remained below 2 since 1990"

So your advice to people is they should stop getting the diptheria vaccine, right?

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-24 09:33 AM | Reply

"Again, these are the numbers"

Only if you ignore all the other numbers, from host-variants to long-haul damage to asymptomatic contagion.

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-24 09:39 AM | Reply

""The number of deaths per year caused by diphtheria, a vaccine-preventable disease, in the United States has remained below 2 since 1990"
#76 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Because everyone takes the vaccine and the vaccine is effective with known side effects. We don't have that yet with covid.

#78 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 09:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Okay, so why are they not vaccinated?

#73 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR

People like you give them a pseudo-intellectual excuse not to be.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-24 09:46 AM | Reply

"Well, since the dying are almost all unvaccinated, there is clearly enough, especially since you're using relative wording.
#75 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Weasel words. What % of those that were unvaccinated were advised by their doctor not to vaccinate due to their current health condition? Give me that number and then you may have a point.

#80 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 09:46 AM | Reply

They (young people) should be much more concerned about run away inflation, a lost year plus of schooling, and retardation in their social skills because of masking than dying of covid.

#73 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR

First of all, everyone knows that COVID kills the young, and Delta increasingly so.

Secondly, it becomes increasingly hard to make a living or do anything when your customers and persons you are responsible for (or who are responsible for you) are very sick and die.

I told you that there is something wrong with you. There is.

Get your shots, CLETUS. Stop whining and screwing with other people.

#81 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-24 09:52 AM | Reply

WTF is wrong with this moron Ebayrepair? This guy is literally doing the work of the grim repair.

#82 | Posted by byrdman at 2021-07-24 09:55 AM | Reply

WTF is wrong with this moron Ebayrepair?

#82 | POSTED BY BYRDMAN

This is how some people attempt to repair Trump's reputation. It's morbid, nasty, and irrational but so are they.

#83 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-24 09:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" Give me that number and then you may have a point."

Fat words from someone who doesn't recognize undermining his own point.

If there's "no hesitancy" among folks over 45, but unvaccinated folks over 45 are the ones dying the most ... .

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-24 10:03 AM | Reply

"If you want to reach the vaccine hesitant, I suggest you focus on coming up with a compelling argument against that rather than saying that the people themselves will die (statically, the odds are about 0%) or that they are scared of needles."

Maybe some of them actually are scared of needles. Or at least hesitant about needles. Has anyone thought of making a cherry or mango flavored version of the vaccine?

#85 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-24 11:21 AM | Reply

#63
"First the study does not consider the delta variant, which already invalidates their predictions."
It would only make the antivax case stronger as AZ is not effective at stopping delta.

Wrong, delta is better at killing the young and AZ is still reduces death from delta. The model under estimated Covid deaths because.

"Second the study only predicted increased deaths if all adults were vaccinated with the AZ vaccine. That isn't happening."
No, it considered a sampling of if the whole population was vaccinated as opposed to not vaccinated and found that for people under 35, they are twice as likely to die of the vaccine as they are of covid.

Wrong, read the study again. It is all adults, not whole population, and it is Covid deaths up to September, not total Covid deaths.
The model only considered AZ. The other vaccines have a lower TTS risk for the young.

The model's assumptions are wrong, so its predictions are wrong, and you are wrong, still.

#86 | Posted by bored at 2021-07-24 11:26 AM | Reply

"Still no evidence that vaccines are more dangerous than Covid. You remain 100% wrong."

And RCADE should ban this idiot EBAYREPAIR from posting false information here. Good riddance! Do your job RCADE, not that you don't usually do your job RCADE. But that sick puppy should not be allowed to post false information about COVID and vaccinations here.

#87 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-24 12:30 PM | Reply

"Maybe some of them actually are scared of needles. Or at least hesitant about needles. Has anyone thought of making a cherry or mango flavored version of the vaccine?"

I had to take three little kids to get their vaccinations before they could attend public school. They were all afraid of needles. We coached them through it and they all survived. Fear of a needle is not a valid excuse for not getting vaccinated. Grow the hell up! A tiny amount of pain is endurable, don't watch. Just do it. If a six year old can endure it then so can an adult.

#88 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-24 12:34 PM | Reply

"And RCADE should ban this idiot EBAYREPAIR from posting false information here.
#87 | POSTED BY DANNI"

What false information did I post? I have links. You have unhinged emotion. I think you have a mental problem.

#89 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 12:37 PM | Reply

" What false information did I post?"

"No hesitancy" by unvaccinated folks over 45 dying from Covid.

#90 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-24 12:53 PM | Reply

""No hesitancy" by unvaccinated folks over 45 dying from Covid.
#90 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

I am stating as it was said in the article, I guess it was assuming to much to think that you actually read it before posting. Vaccine hesitancy is a much bigger issue among those under 45 (a distinction made in the article).

#91 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 01:02 PM | Reply

I think you have a mental problem.

#89 | POSTED BY EBAYREPAIR

Sadly ... We ALL have a mental problem.

Mental Republicans.

#92 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-24 01:26 PM | Reply

Has anyone thought of making a cherry or mango flavored version of the vaccine?

#85 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Wow. 85 posts to finally come up with almost a good question.

So I put it to google.

Had to change the question to get a real answer.

And the answer is ... someone is working on it.

"has anyone thought of making edible versions of the covid vaccine"

Got some good hits. Sounds like it might not be far away.

You can google for the rest.

Wonder what the next excuse for being criminally or at least socially negligent will be.

The Quest to Make a Vaccine Pill

A Canadian Company Is Creating COVID Vaccine Strips You Can Eat

#93 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-24 01:34 PM | Reply

" I am stating as it was said in the article"

Then clearly you're too stupid to have seen the contradiction yourself.

Every claim has a smell test. A story about mostly 45+ deaths among the unvaccinated which also claims no hesitancy in that group is idiotic on its face.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-24 01:35 PM | Reply

" Vaccine hesitancy is a much bigger issue among those under 45"

I wasn't contesting that part of the claim. Don't try to move the goalposts.

#95 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-24 01:37 PM | Reply

Don't try to move the goalposts, unless you are going to move them up my waiting ass

#95 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

#96 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-24 01:41 PM | Reply

Awww, isn't that cute? Another feckless coward has arrived.

Which moron did you used to be?

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-24 01:48 PM | Reply

Maybe some of them actually are scared of needles. Or at least hesitant about needles. Has anyone thought of making a cherry or mango flavored version of the vaccine?

#85 | Posted by sentinel

My girlfriend is deathly afraid of needles, shots, and blood. But she got vaxxed, howling and crying while I held her hand.

I guess all these tough patriots aren't as brave as my 5 5" 120 lb girlfriend. Or they just don't care as much about their country as she does.

#98 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-24 04:44 PM | Reply

"I guess all these tough patriots aren't as brave as my 5 5" 120 lb girlfriend. Or they just don't care as much about their country as she does."

Maybe they just need you to hold their hands.

#99 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-24 06:06 PM | Reply

They should make a vaccine suppository.
For the Proud Boofs.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-24 06:16 PM | Reply

They should make a vaccine suppository.

"I hope it takes 25 boosters. Where do I sign up?!"

Clownshack, the Persian Poof

#101 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-24 06:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

---- off moron.

#102 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 06:55 PM | Reply

"I hope it takes 25 boosters."

There you go again Sam: saying your inner voice out loud.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-24 06:55 PM | Reply

Maybe what Sams really wants is a suppository flavored oral vaccine.

#104 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-24 07:00 PM | Reply

There you go again Sam: saying your inner voice out loud.

Dickforth says while furiously ------------ the image of me doing just that.

OOPS! ------- on his monitor

#105 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-24 07:25 PM | Reply

Better get back to Snoofy trolling you, you ------- idiot. I can't believe you let him troll you for hours. Says a lot about your ---- for brains, doesn't it, Dickforth?

#106 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-24 07:26 PM | Reply

We get it dude: you're a self-loathing closet case, who admitted as much in his prior incarnation.

There's nothing wrong with being gay, unless you think there's something wrong with being gay.

Seek help.

#107 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-24 07:30 PM | Reply

Seek help.

Says the guy who is so mind numbingly stupid he spent the entire afternoon arguing with a troll and didn't know it.

Seek help, Dickforth.

#108 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-24 07:36 PM | Reply

"he spent the entire afternoon arguing with a troll"

Snoofy's not a troll.

Meanwhile, I'm at my lake place, posting in between flipping burgers.

And you're still dumb as a post.

#109 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-24 07:41 PM | Reply

Snoofy's not a troll.

That is the most retarded thing I've heard you say yet. But OK, I get it. You are so stupid you don't recognize Snoofy as a troll. Still you are as dimwitted as Zippy the Pinhead for repeating the same point to him for hours on end. What you were telling him, you said in the first couple exchanges of posts. After that, you just kept repeating it for hours.

That makes you more stupid than I though, Dickforth.

#110 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-24 07:51 PM | Reply

And you're still dumb as a post.

At least I don't spent an entire afternoon saying the same two or three points to a troll. So there's that, --------

#111 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-24 07:52 PM | Reply

" you don't recognize Snoofy as a troll"

He wasn't in this thread.

I guess trolls view everyone else as a troll.

" I don't spent an entire afternoon saying the same two or three points"

No, you're more limited to one point: gay sex references.

You realize you outed yourself last time, right?

#112 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-24 07:58 PM | Reply

Wait, so now suppositories are a gay sex reference?

#113 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-24 08:06 PM | Reply

"Better get back to Snoofy trolling you"

Well, to be fair, you did reply to and fed that troll after he made a gay sex reference.

#114 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-24 08:11 PM | Reply

Danforth and I have this conversation every year or two.

I feel like this one was the most productive one to date.

One thing you won't ever see here is Trumpers and Deplorables having a spirited discussion about their differences of opinion. Their kind think in lockstep.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-24 08:13 PM | Reply

He wasn't in this thread.

And why do you say that, Dickforth? Because you were his victim and you don't want to admit he trolled you for several hours?

#116 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-24 08:23 PM | Reply

And, yes, of course I know I'm going to get banned soon. Why haven't I been so far? More on that later.

This place is a rancid and stagnant echo chamber. You have JPW who only says, variations of "you're an idiot" in 90% of his posts. You have snoofy, one of the biggest trolls I've ever seen on the internet. You have Danforth who will send hours on end saying the same thing over and over stupidly thinking he's going to change someone's mind. You have the haters like Angrydad, Speaksoftly, Reinheitsgebot, to name a few (that list is too long to continue) You have poor ideological Danni who is willing to ignore all facts thinking that if she does, they don't exist.

Most of the others have Trump so thoroughly imbedded in their brains, they can think of nothing else. I observe so many threads that have nothing to do with Trump or even politics, and without fail one of you idiots start screaming "orange man bad" in it. Trump owns you guys. He's the boogie man that lives under your beds.

Trump really ------ you guys up, and I'm sure he'd be pleased to know that. Obviously, he's not concerned with a bunch of zeros like you guys in a mindless echo chamber. But if he knew how many heads he lived in here, he'd be chuckling.

So why hasn't SAMS been deleted yet? My guess is that Roger agrees with my assessment and posts I've been putting up. He knows this place needs a housecleaning big time, but he doesn't have the balls to tell you. So he is allowing me to.

Yes, he'll be deleting me in a day or two for show, and you guys will be high-fiving each other and probably be taking credit for it. But if you had one ounce of common sense and cared about the welfare of this place, you'd flush Trump from your mind. You'd quit repeating the same old talking points over and over. You'd say something other than, "You're an idiot" (looking at you, fake doctor)

But from what I see, the stupidity and ownership by Trump is so well entrenched, nothing will change.

Too bad for you, Roger. This place will forever be void of fresh opinion and construction and honest debate. You literally built this.

#117 | Posted by sams at 2021-07-24 08:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#117 | POSTED BY SAMS

What a pathetic swan song.

#118 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-24 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

CLOWN

"What a pathetic swan song."

Not the first loser who has flamed out on this site.

#119 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-24 08:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#117 | POSTED BY SAMS"

Wow. That was the most honest and insightful thing I have seen posted on here. Bravo. The incels on here needed some tough love and you gave it to them.

#120 | Posted by ebayrepair at 2021-07-24 09:13 PM | Reply

SAMS and EBAY are the same people.

#121 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-24 10:18 PM | Reply

And, yes, of course I know I'm going to get banned soon

#117 | POSTED BY SAMS AT 2

If you can discreetly hide under the table I will feed you table scraps from time to time. But you have to piss into a bottle.

#122 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-24 10:20 PM | Reply

Dickforth.

Cumbreath.

------.

Sams is obsessed with penises and big giant loads.

Poor closet case.

#123 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-24 10:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

SAMS is leaving us? Oh what a loss! The Retort will never be able to survive without his refreshing wisdom. Adios SAMS, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

#124 | Posted by danni at 2021-07-25 06:58 AM | Reply

" This place will forever be void of fresh opinion and construction and honest debate."

Then start your own blog. You can call it PWZ, or ------- With Zits.

That way, when you blog from the crapper, all your mates can marvel at the shape and smell!

#125 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-25 10:35 AM | Reply

So why hasn't SAMS been deleted yet? My guess is that Roger agrees with my assessment and posts I've been putting up. He knows this place needs a housecleaning big time, but he doesn't have the balls to tell you. So he is allowing me to.

What was it you said about egos so big they have a gravitational field?

#126 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-25 11:09 AM | Reply

"Trump owns you guys. He's the boogie man that lives under your beds."

Trump owns the GOP. We will forget about Trump when you/they do. Last night in Phoenix Trump spoke for 2 hours to a large adoring crowd, who cheered his nonsense and booed the Republicans he called out and blamed for his not being president, including Mike Pence:

Trump's introduction at the "Rally to Protect Our Elections" in Phoenix is beyond parody

twitter.com

#127 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-25 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

" ... who cheered his nonsense and booed the Republicans he called out and blamed for his not being president, including Mike Pence"

Mike Pence has gotten the rawest deal of all: after four years of sycophantic toadyism, he's blamed for following the Constitution!

It couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.

#128 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-25 11:25 AM | Reply

"To build up herd immunity and protect the people over 45."

If you want to build up herd immunity, the best strategy would be to eliminate all restrictions on human interaction...and maybe even encourage it.

The vaccine is available for those who want it. For those who don't, they'll need to catch the disease and develop the antibodies. The faster this happens, the better.

There are people who simply can't get the vaccine. Many of them are old with not much time left. Prolonging the pandemic by limiting human interaction only means those people would need to wait longer in order to move somewhat freely around others.

#129 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-25 12:01 PM | Reply

If you want to build up herd immunity, the best strategy would be to eliminate all restrictions on human interaction...and maybe even encourage it.

Is that how we got smallpox under control?
Is that how we got polio under control?
I'm not going on.

You may be right, just eliminated all restrictions on human interaction (are there many left?) and maybe we can just ignore everyone's rights like those businesses in P-Town to say NO. You are NOT welcome here without proof of vaccination!

Or we can do what China did and shut everything down, arrest dissenters, vaccinate everyone, don't give anyone choice about anything?

Naw, let's go with filling up the hospitals and morgues! Let's kill off our medical people with overwork and PSD.

That's your plan?

#130 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-25 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"eliminate all restrictions on human interaction"

BREAKING NEWS: Boaz flips, supports interracial marriage!

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-25 12:30 PM | Reply

"Trump owns you guys. He's the boogie man that lives under your beds."

Get used to it.

He still thinks he is presidential material. He is still out there spreading lies and disinformation. Americans are still dying because of his lying.

Until he is held accountable for his lies and his criminal negligence ( or he mercifully dies) he will not be let off the hook for his crimes.

#132 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-25 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Is that how we got smallpox under control?"

Was Society ever shut down as a result of a Smallpox epidemic?

"Is that how we got polio under control?"

Same question.

"I'm not going on."

You don't need to.

#133 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-25 12:53 PM | Reply

"Naw, let's go with filling up the hospitals and morgues! Let's kill off our medical people with overwork and PSD."

Here are the numbers.

If you're vaccinated, the odds of getting COVID run about 1/222k. The odds of dying are 1/4.25M

So to me, electing not to get a vaccine is electing to pursue an unhealthy lifestyle. Smoking. Drinking heavily. Eating poorly.

This things lead to more deaths each year than COVID. Should we ban them as well?

#134 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-25 12:57 PM | Reply

"Was Society ever shut down as a result of a Smallpox epidemic?"

You live in one:

After first contacts with Europeans and Africans, some believe that the death of 90"95% of the native population of the New World was caused by Old World diseases.[45] It is suspected that smallpox was the chief culprit and responsible for killing nearly all of the native inhabitants of the Americas. en.wikipedia.org

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-25 01:00 PM | Reply

"If you're vaccinated, the odds of getting COVID run about 1/222k. The odds of dying are 1/4.25M"

No, those are your odds of having gotten COVID at this point in time.

You're basically making the same argument as if you had said when the first COVID case was found in USA, that your odds of getting COVID are 1 in 329 million. Which you probably did say, because you're deliberately stupid about these things.

#136 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-25 01:04 PM | Reply

"Was Society ever shut down as a result of a Smallpox epidemic?"

Not a real fan of actual history are you?

Several "societies" were completely wiped from the face of the earth.

Ignore the past and you will be doomed to repeat it.

#137 | Posted by donnerboy at 2021-07-25 01:27 PM | Reply

"No, those are your odds of having gotten COVID at this point in time."

Uhhh...no Scott.

Numbers change daily, but as of the time I last checked, 159M Americans had been vaccinated. Of those, about 5.5K had contracted the disease after vaccination. a little more than 1k had died.

Please tell me that this math is not too much for you.

#138 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-25 03:24 PM | Reply

Trump owns you guys.

Republicans are the ones paying the guy billions to cry about having lost the election.

#139 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-25 05:25 PM | Reply

Trump's introduction at the "Rally to Protect Our Elections" in Phoenix is beyond parody

Meanwhile Democrats are counting the minutes until they lose the 2022 election.

Biden is weak. Congress is tied up with too many conservative Democrats. The judicial system has been corrupted by McConnell.

#140 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-25 05:29 PM | Reply

"Congress is tied up with too many conservative Democrats."

Actually it's more like not enough conservative Democrats.

What there are too many of is Trump worshipers in congress.

#141 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-26 06:37 AM | Reply

What there are too many of is Trump worshipers in congress.

#141 | Posted by madbomber

Put there by people like you.

#142 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-26 12:12 PM | Reply

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