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Tuesday, July 27, 2021

Many private businesses, especially healthcare providers have started requiring the Covid-19 vaccine for employees.

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#1 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-27 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden told reporters today that the White House is considering a mandate for all federal employees. He also said that he will "lay out the next steps in our effort to get more Americans vaccinated" during an appearance scheduled for this Thursday. This comes after Jen Psaki said yesterday that the administration has not yet determined whether it would be legal to mandate the shots for non-military federal employees.

#2 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-07-27 04:50 PM | Reply

A general mandate will never happen despite case law existing to support such a power for state and local governments.

In the majority of states the politicians will have no stomach for it. Hell, I'm betting they won't even have much stomach for putting masking and reduced capacity requirements back in effect.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-27 05:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A general mandate will never happen despite case law existing to support such a power for state and local governments.
#3 | POSTED BY JPW

I don't expect it will either but if all healthcare facilities begin mandating then that would cover around 10% of the US workforce. If the Federal government enacts a mandate then I imagine quite a few state/local governments will do the same. We could end up seeing 20% plus of US work force having such mandates. If that happens then we could see more public sector industries such as food service/retail jump on board.

#4 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-07-27 05:35 PM | Reply

If I owned a business I would require proof of vaccination for my employees and my customers. It would be a way to weed out the morons in my employ who believe Russian created FB memes over actual science, it would also cut the number of sick days my people take when they get COVID and cut my workman's comp payments for employees who claim a COVID as a work-related illness. It might cut down the number of employees I have or the number of customers I serve, but it would be worth it to keep my smart employees safe.

#5 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2021-07-27 06:09 PM | Reply

It seems to me the best spokesmodels for the vaccine are those folks who dragged themselves into hospitals nationwide over the past month, for treatment. Add to that roster the names of those who scoffed at the vaccine and have since died. Their message: be like us and get VERY sick or become fully dead...

#6 | Posted by catdog at 2021-07-27 06:19 PM | Reply

Trump Administration and the WARP Speed Team worked their ass off to get this vaccine out to the public, everyone should seriously consider getting the vaccine. However, I'm not sure about a Government Mandate. as the saying goes "one death is too many". if that is the case the Government should Mandate the Flu Shot. US needlessly has about 36,000 Flu deaths per year

#8 | Posted by Maverick at 2021-07-27 06:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

oh, and only God knows how many work-related Flu illness days were taken off

#9 | Posted by Maverick at 2021-07-27 06:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Fed govt. will be mandate end of the week.
UC and Cal State already mandate.
LA city mandate.
CAL gov mandate
If you want to die, go to Florida and leave the rest of us the ---- alone.

#10 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-27 08:21 PM | Reply

It's time to separate the men from the boys.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-27 08:42 PM | Reply

I'm fine with local mandates.

No national mandates.

The only mandates we should have nationally is paying taxes.

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2021-07-27 09:26 PM | Reply

"The only mandates we should have nationally is paying taxes."

The Second Amendment is crying in the corner now, Boaz.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-27 09:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I swear to god Bo@s read a ------- book about government. You're pathetically ignorant.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-28 06:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I was reading recently that the lack of full FDA approval is a barrier to mandates.

The good news if that is the case is that in a couple months moderna and phizer will get full FDA approval so that will cease being an issue.

#15 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-07-28 07:39 AM | Reply

Never happen. There is not enough money on earth to cover the law suits from "alleged" VAX illnesses.

#16 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2021-07-28 08:58 AM | Reply

Federal or state mandates for all citizens won't happen, but other mandates will happen--already are starting to and will increase once the Covid vaccine is FDA approved.

Did you know?:

Lots of states mandate nursing home workers be vaccinated against influenza

But not against COVID

With many workers unvaccinated and delta surging, this is a huge risk

Why have we turned COVID vaccine mandates into a political issue when flu vax mandates were not?

Its crazy

twitter.com

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-28 09:08 AM | Reply

"The simplest answer is because we can."

We?
Speak for yourself, Republican.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 09:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The simplest answer is because we had 20 years of flu deaths in one year.

FTFY

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-28 10:09 AM | Reply

#18

Seriously? The gasoline is blaming the match?

GFY

#21 | Posted by bocaink at 2021-07-28 12:02 PM | Reply

109,000 new cases reported yesterday. In the summer, no less

www.google.com

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-28 02:23 PM | Reply

"If I owned a business I would require proof of vaccination for my employees and my customers."

You can do what you want IRT your employees...less so to customers.

Consider cruises. From a business perspective, it would make sense to charge more for a cruise that only allowed fully vaccinated individuals, because you'd potentially lose 40% of your customer base.

And while there is likely an "only-vaxxed" market for travel and leisure, the same could be said about non-vaxxed. Or even non-masked.

I would pay more to fly on an airline that didn't require masks. I think that many would. That creates a business opportunity. Assuming that the government ever lets people fly without masks again, there may be a demand by those who like masks for mask-only flights.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-28 03:09 PM | Reply

And you can never fully mandate a flu vaccination.

Even if you were able to clear the constitutional hurdles, who is going to have the balls to actually go out there and forcibly stick needles in people.

I can assure no one who posts on this site would have the balls.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-28 03:10 PM | Reply

" And while there is likely an "only-vaxxed" market for travel and leisure, the same could be said about non-vaxxed. Or even non-masked."

I think the cruise company is called Floating Petri Dish.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-28 03:21 PM | Reply

"you can never fully mandate a flu vaccination."

They will always have to be legitimate medical exemptions and nobody's denying that.

As for the general population yes the government can demand you get a coronavirus vaccine same as they can demand you wear pants.

#27 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-28 03:24 PM | Reply

"As for the general population yes the government can demand you get a coronavirus vaccine same as they can demand you wear pants."

And if someone refuses?

Do you see the use of deadly force being authorized to force someone to get a vaccine?

You realize this is a pretty perilous road, right? Pretty much every dictator has justified the use of violence as being necessary to ensure safety and security.

COVID killed mostly old and sick people. It was never a threat to national security. If you could justify Gestapo tactics for this...what couldn't you justify it for?

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-28 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ever see what happens when cops confront someone naked in public?

I think you know a lot about this.

#29 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-28 04:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"COVID killed mostly old and sick people."

Just like just about every disease...

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 04:19 PM | Reply

"Consider cruises. From a business perspective, it would make sense to charge more for a cruise that only allowed fully vaccinated individuals, because you'd potentially lose 40% of your customer base."

This is assuming 0% of your customers care about the presence of a COVID patient on their cruise.

Seriously, you have an MBA and this is your business acumen?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 04:21 PM | Reply

"If you could justify Gestapo tactics for this...what couldn't you justify it for?"

What's "Gestapo tactics?"

Does unidentified law enforcement officers grabbing suspects off the streets of Portland fit the bill?

If not, what?

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 04:25 PM | Reply

"Do you see the use of deadly force being authorized to force someone to get a vaccine?"

Not after the Nuremberg Code was written.

Do you know what the Nuremberg Code is?

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 04:47 PM | Reply

It (COVID) was never a threat to national security

#28 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2021-07-28 03:52 PM |

600,000 deaths? Not a threat?

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-28 05:14 PM | Reply

COVID killed mostly old and sick people.

#28 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

If terrorists killed 600,000 old and sick Americans, your reaction would be?

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-28 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#28 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

There's a morbid lack of logic to your point of view. Almost like a part of your brain is dead.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-28 05:17 PM | Reply

And you can never fully mandate a flu vaccination.
Even if you were able to clear the constitutional hurdles, who is going to have the balls to actually go out there and forcibly stick needles in people.
I can assure no one who posts on this site would have the balls.
#24 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

We wouldn't need that level of enforcement. In fact we probably wouldn't need any enforcement. A large number of the holdouts would likely comply with the order just like they complain about masks but then still wear one when it is required. That would likely get the country up to a level where we would have sufficient herd immunity to suppress community spread.

#37 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-07-28 06:02 PM | Reply

Trump Administration and the WARP Speed Team worked their ass off to get this vaccine out to the public, everyone should seriously consider getting the vaccine. However, I'm not sure about a Government Mandate. as the saying goes "one death is too many". if that is the case the Government should Mandate the Flu Shot. US needlessly has about 36,000 Flu deaths per year

#8 | Posted by Maverick

ahaha you fool.

All trump did was say "GO FAST" to the pharmas. As if no other president would think to do that.

When it came time to do HIS PART - distribute the vaccine - he was too busy trying to corrupt an election and lying the nation into a new civil war to enact a distribution plan. Biden's team had to do that on their own.

Your moronic party is the reason we need mandates now. You are the reason this pandemic is continuing. So obsessed with opposing liberals that you're literally now taking the side of a virus since liberals want to stop the virus.

Every annoying thing about this pandemic from now on is the fault of the republican party.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-28 08:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Do you see the use of deadly force being authorized to force someone to get a vaccine?

You realize this is a pretty perilous road, right?

#28 | Posted by madbomber

Yes it's a pretty perilous road, THAT YOUR MORONIC PARTY HAS PUT US ON.

Your party proves that morons can't be trusted with freedom. Some people are too stupid and selfish to do the right thing unless they are forced to.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-28 08:53 PM | Reply

Never happen. There is not enough money on earth to cover the law suits from "alleged" VAX illnesses.

#16 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Can I sue your cult leader for being the reason this pandemic is continuing to cost lives and dollars in america?

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-28 08:54 PM | Reply

COVID killed mostly old and sick people. It was never a threat to national security.
#28 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

CAPT Crozier on Line 2.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 10:09 PM | Reply

Never happen. There is not enough money on earth to cover the law suits from "alleged" VAX illnesses.

#16 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Do you ever get anything right?

U.S. government on the hook for COVID-19 vaccine liability

Pharmaceutical companies themselves "cannot be sued for money damages in court" over possible injuries related to COVID-19 vaccines or therapeutics.

COVID-19 vaccines and therapeutics are, however, covered under the U.S. government's Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP).

The program has "strict criteria," Bornstein said.

"If someone had an issue with a COVID-19 vaccine, it's going to be complicated for them" to be compensated, Bornstein concluded.

For one thing, payouts are limited in size. www.drugdiscoverytrends.com

#42 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2021-07-28 10:58 PM | Reply

If terrorists killed 600,000 old and sick Americans, your reaction would be?

#35 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2021-07-28 05:16 PM | REPLY

We killed 500,000 women and children invading Iraq and Madeline Albright said it was well worth it. Where was your angst?

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-07-29 11:46 AM | Reply

Whatabout Iraq?
--Putin

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 11:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We killed 500,000 women and children invading Iraq and Madeline Albright said it was well worth it. Where was your angst?

#43 | Posted by BellRinger

There you have it - repubs can't deny that trump killed a half million americans, so they've pivoted to saying that's no big deal.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We killed 500,000 women and children invading Iraq and Madeline Albright said it was well worth it. Where was your angst?

#43 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I bitched about it at the time and people like you told me I was snowflake.

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-29 12:33 PM | Reply

#43 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

When you pooh-pooh a half-million American deaths to protect the lout who was the Former Guy you emphasize both your sickness and his incompetence.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-29 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My Republican Congressman, Mr. Arrington, is today complaining about mask wearing when COVID infections in his District have gone from Level II to Level IV in seven freaking days.

Cult of Death? Yes, GOP. Just own it, get infected, and die.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-29 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We killed 500,000 women and children invading Iraq and Madeline Albright said it was well worth it. Where was your angst?

#43 | Posted by BellRinger

PS thanks for the reminder that BOTH THE LAST 2 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS HAVE EACH RESULTED IN AT LEAST A HALF MILLION DEATHS.

How many do you think the next republican president can kill?

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 01:26 PM | Reply

"600,000 deaths? Not a threat?"

Nope. Nada.

In fact a few weeks ago, when there was much ado about COVID being born in a lab, I posited that maybe it was intended for the Chinese to use against their own population.

It kills off the old and the sick, while leaving those of military fighting age healthy and intact.

Pretty useless if it's meant for an enemy.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:27 PM | Reply

"Your party proves that morons can't be trusted with freedom. Some people are too stupid and selfish to do the right thing unless they are forced to."

Trump agrees. So do his supporters.

The only difference is in which morons can and can't be trusted with freedom.

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-29 03:29 PM | Reply

The only difference is in which morons can and can't be trusted with freedom.

#51 | Posted by madbomber

That's not a hard question to answer if you're objectively pursuing the greater good.

Your cult of anti mask anti vax morons are the reason we can't end this pandemic, or really fix anything at all in this country.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-29 04:06 PM | Reply

There you have it - repubs can't deny that trump killed a half million americans, so they've pivoted to saying that's no big deal.

#45 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2021-07-29 12:15 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Hey loser, did you vote for your democrat representative after they voted to authorize that? I haven't voted for anyone who voted for that garbage. But you and your web admin keep on with ya dumbschitt. You wear it well, loser.

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-07-30 12:56 AM | Reply

Why BELLRINGER are you still bitter that Trump lost and real Americans didn't want to join his failed insurrection?

lol

#54 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-30 01:00 AM | Reply

lol

#54 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2021-07-30 01:00 AM | FLAG:

Lol

#55 | Posted by BellRinger at 2021-07-30 01:53 AM | Reply

Lol

#55 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2021-07-30 01:53 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

lol

#56 | Posted by Tor at 2021-07-30 01:58 AM | Reply

Hey loser, did you vote for your democrat representative after they voted to authorize that? I haven't voted for anyone who voted for that garbage. But you and your web admin keep on with ya dumbschitt. You wear it well, loser.

#53 | Posted by BellRinger

I always love the "iraq is dems fault for not stopping republicans from starting that war" argument.

It's the older version of "1/6 is nancy pelosi's fault for not surrounding the capitol with soldiers to protect them from trump's violent fascist mob"

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2021-07-30 01:36 PM | Reply

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