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Tuesday, July 27, 2021

The Buddhist swastika appears on the Japanese-language manga title and throughout the original anime of Tokyo Revengers, but it has been removed from the anime's English language release, apparently because it might cause confusion with the Nazi swastika.

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The symbol dates back centuries and has auspicious connotations.

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The Japanese have another word for the Nazi swastika: haakenkuroitsu (), or "hakenkreuz," which is German for swastika. The Nazi swastika often is tilted, but not always; however, Japanese Buddhism uses both left and right-facing manji. The left-facing horizontal manji is used to mark Buddhist temples. The Tokyo Manji Gang is not connected to Nazism.

If the media really wanted to avoid "confusion", they would stop referring to the hakenkreuz as a swastika today. Instead, they are actively supporting White supremacists in their quest hijack the ancient symbol aid them in the cultural genocide of the billions of people who still use it in an innocuous way.

#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-27 09:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Now all this violence against Asian Americans and Native Americans is starting to make sense, since their cultures are constantly being associated with Nazism.

#2 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-27 09:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So.....

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-27 10:29 PM | Reply

Newsflash, Nazis already successfully hijacked an ancient symbol. Before you were born. Sorry, that's reality.

#4 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-27 10:31 PM | Reply

Knew it wouldn't take long for the white supremacy supporters on this site to chime in.

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-27 10:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm a white supremacy supporter?

You're projecting again.

#6 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-27 10:38 PM | Reply

I'm not the one who's aid and abetting them to appropriate symbols while destroying and erasing the cultures they came from. You are.

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-27 10:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I have black children you retarded ----.

#8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-27 10:57 PM | Reply

The nazis took the symbol and it is associated with the extermination of 6 million jews among others.

That's called a fact. Learn it "sentinel".

#9 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-27 10:58 PM | Reply

Swastika rehabilitation attempt number 23?

#10 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-27 11:00 PM | Reply

" I have black children you retarded ----."

That's what they all say.

As if that makes you immune from supporting white supremacy.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-27 11:16 PM | Reply

I've been accused of a lot of things in my life that , true and untrue.

But "white supremacy" is a new one. I think you're a moron, sentinel.

And an actual nazi.

#12 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-27 11:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" The nazis took the symbol"

No, the Nazis made up their own symbol, called the hakenkreuz.

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-27 11:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I bet you know a lot about nazi lore.

Creep.

#14 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-27 11:24 PM | Reply

you're a moron, sentinel.
And an actual nazi.
#12 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

That's been my impression.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-27 11:24 PM | Reply

The Nazi swastika flag, a small variation of the German swastika flag, was designed by Adolph Hitler.

#16 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-27 11:26 PM | Reply

" But "white supremacy" is a new one."

Maybe you need to reflect and consider whether the position you've taken does in fact support white supremacy.

" I think you're a moron, sentinel.

And an actual nazi."

That's just nonsensical and childish name calling . An actual Nazi would want the swastika to be universally recognized as a Nazi symbol. It is not.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-27 11:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Only an actual nazi would care, sentinel.

#18 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-27 11:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Only you would know what an actual Nazi cares about, alexandrong.

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-27 11:33 PM | Reply

How was your first cross burning, sentinel?

Was it fun?

#20 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-27 11:33 PM | Reply

m.youtube.com

Damn you, media

- - sentinullz

#21 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-28 01:49 AM | Reply

How old are you? You pick the dumbest arguments

- - sentinallz dad

#22 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2021-07-28 01:51 AM | Reply

I'm not the one who's aid and abetting them to appropriate symbols while destroying and erasing the cultures they came from. You are.

#7 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Why is SSentinal such an IIdiot?

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-28 02:16 AM | Reply

Why is Rexford so ugly he has to wear a mask all the time? Does he sspeak with a lissp becausse he hass a ssnake tongue?

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 05:03 AM | Reply

Making up lies about both me and my dad shows how pathetic your (lack of) arguments are.

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 05:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Swastika rehabilitation attempt number 23?"

I posted an article about that movement once, years ago, and you guys are still obsessed with bringing it up. Are you advertising for the Raelians?

#26 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 05:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Maybe my B.K. thread would be more to your tastes.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 05:41 AM | Reply

Why is SSentinal such an IIdiot?

#23 | POSTED BY JPW

Nah, just lonely and want's some attention at 5am.

#28 | Posted by JasonM at 2021-07-28 05:53 AM | Reply

Wow something sure stirred up the incels. Must be not-mating season.

#29 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2021-07-28 06:46 AM | Reply

If I were Hindi I sure would want the swastika rehabilitated. I frequently go into houses with swastikas on the threshold I imagine those families are not keen to be associated with nazis.

#30 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-07-28 07:09 AM | Reply

Hindu.
Hindi is the language.

Is there anyone here that doesn't know that the Swastika has been around for thousands of years? That until Hitler appropriated it it was a positive symbol? You can still find it on old memorabilia from early in our history. This is not the issue. At least not for me. The issue is we, America, does not do nuance nor do we care about context. We're in the midst of a build-up of White Nationalism, and a new Nazi movement.

As the article linked states:

"This is a log of context that's necessary to understand the character's (swastika/manji) meaning! If one did not know this, and simply glanced at the anime, one might think was about a hate group. Its inclusion could be distracting and cause confusion. The decision to remove the symbol in the English language release is no surprise and understandable, even if this manji is not a malicious mark, because the Nazi one sure is."

#31 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-28 07:41 AM | Reply

#31

Apologies for the Hindi/Hindu mistake thought Hindi was the people as a whole not language, I have filed it away in permanent storage for the future.

Most people on here are aware of the nuance however as you pointed out most Americans not so much, that was kinda my point for the Hindu people who have it on their threshold, I understand when walking in that they are Hindu and not Nazis but how many people show up to their homes know? In this area I would hope most, as we have a fairly large Indian population, so if you do service work you in this area you have seen it multiple times. However what about areas where there are many fewer Hindus? Do they get harassed are they having to constantly explain themselves? That is why some degree of education and rehabilitation might be something they would prefer.

#32 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2021-07-28 08:04 AM | Reply

But the swastika also remains a feature of worship for Hindus, Buddhists and Jains. It can be seen seemingly everywhere in parts of the Indian subcontinent--from temple entrances to the front of taxis --and plays an important role in ceremonies and festivals. During Diwali--the Hindu festival of lights--the swastika is drawn with coloured sand, or rangoli, and depicted with lanterns to celebrate the victory of light over darkness and good over evil. In 2007, when German politicians attempted to introduce a swastika ban across the European Union, Hindus vehemently opposed the measure on religious grounds.

Such disparate attitudes towards the swastika raises the question of whether the symbol--which for so long has been a force for good--can be reclaimed from its association with Hitler and the neo-Nazis who still display it. Would reclaiming the symbol mark the final defeat of the Third Reich and the hatred it advocated? Or is that impossible? The 20th-century corruption of the swastika came to represent so much of the horrors of Nazism that it should never be forgotten.

The answer, although not a neat one, may be that there will always be two utterly conflicting interpretations of the swastika, both of which are part of our history, present and future: one representing the worst of humanity and the other symbolising the best.


www.historyextra.com

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-28 08:24 AM | Reply

Apologies for the Hindi/Hindu mistake thought Hindi was the people as a whole not language,

I did the same thing to a woman from India, and I was immediately corrected, so I thought I'd pass it on before you do what I did :)

Maybe change the Nazi swastika name to "Nwastika" or "Nastika" (Nasty swastika).

#34 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-28 08:30 AM | Reply

"WASHINGTON " A swastika was found carved in an elevator at the State Department, the agency said Tuesday."
www.nbcnews.com

Secretary of State Antony Blinken, is Jewish.

#35 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-28 08:54 AM | Reply

Who the f--k cares.

FYI this is a series about a time traveling "cry baby" bosozoku gang member that literally wins friends by crying around them. It ain't Masterpiece Theater.

#36 | Posted by qcp at 2021-07-28 08:57 AM | Reply

m.youtube.com
Damn you, media
- - sentinullz
#21 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

Those Liberals and their Cancel Culture!

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 09:27 AM | Reply

"FYI this is a series about a time traveling "cry baby" bosozoku gang member that literally wins friends by crying around them."

Well that certainly explains why Sentinel was watching it!

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 09:28 AM | Reply

LOL!

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2021-07-28 09:53 AM | Reply

"The issue is we, America, does not do nuance nor do we care about context."

Are you proud of this aspect of American culture? Why not challenge it, instead of using the status quo of pig ignorance and xenophobia as an excuse?

"We're in the midst of a build-up of White Nationalism, and a new Nazi movement."

All the more reason why we should deprive them of previous cultural misappropriations, rather than aiding and abetting them in claiming supremacy over other culture's symbols.

#40 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#35- it was probably Clownshack's handy work.

#41 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 10:17 AM | Reply

Sentinel- Find a better hill to die on. Really.

#42 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-28 10:52 AM | Reply

Sentinel- Find a better bunker to die in. Really.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 10:57 AM | Reply

All the more reason why we should deprive them of previous cultural misappropriations, rather than aiding and abetting them in claiming supremacy over other culture's symbols.

#40 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

The black swastika in a white field on a red flag is probably one of the most easily recognized symbols in history.

You're not going to break that association. Not for many many years, enough where even knowing a survivor is considered historical.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2021-07-28 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" we should deprive them of previous cultural misappropriations, rather than aiding and abetting them in claiming supremacy "

IOW, you think we can and should rehabilitate the swastika.

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-28 02:02 PM | Reply

"The black swastika in a white field on a red flag is probably one of the most easily recognized symbols in history.
You're not going to break that association."

The symbol you just described is not a swastika. It's a very specific symbol which happens to contain a swastika. Yes, in a proudly pig ignorant nation like the U.S. it will probably take years to correct the learned bigotry that many people have against all swastikas. So what? We live in a globalized world now, not an isolated country. Many people recognize this fact and are open to other cultures besides White Western European ones. Why not choose to be one of them?

#47 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 02:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Sentinel, what is it you would prefer be done regarding the traditional nazi swastika?"

I would prefer it to be called a "hakenkreuz", since that's the people who invented that perverted misappropriation called it. People should should be taught that it's not a legitimate swastika.

#48 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 02:35 PM | Reply

"happens to contain a swastika."

That's like saying the flag of Israel happens to contain a Star of David.

It's the prinary symbol of the ideology.

As seen scratched into an elevator wall at the State Department.

"I would prefer it to be called a "hakenkreuz"

You literally just called it a swastika.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 02:42 PM | Reply

Yes, in a proudly pig ignorant nation like the U.S. it will probably take years to correct the learned bigotry that many people have against all swastikas.

White supremacists, still to this day, marching around with Swastika flags doesn't help it's cause.

You're too proudly pig ignorant to actually understand the problem associated with the swastika here in America.

By the way, here's some information for you:

The United States has the seventh-largest Hindu population in the world of 2.23 million, comprising 0.70% of its total population.

.7% of the population.

Meanwhile, every time there's a Republican on television they have their Swastika flag next to their confederate flag.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-28 02:42 PM | Reply

theconversation.com

I come across this obsession with swastikas time and time again. In my university courses on German cultural history, students are repelled yet fascinated by the horror it symbolizes. When I ask whether the swastika should be banned in North America the way it is in Germany, some say yes, whereas others point to its innocent use in other cultures.

...

In places like Pointes-des-Cascades, where pre-Nazi swastikas exist, extra care must be taken to contextualize their presence. But in all other instances the symbol really must be shunned.

Its hate-filled racist intentions are clear. It wasn't an innocent symbol for the Nazis, nor is it for latter-day neo-Nazis and white supremacists.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 02:44 PM | Reply

"You're too proudly pig ignorant to actually understand the problem associated with the swastika here in America."

He wants to normalize it and make it okay.

With the obvious intent to make Nazism ojay.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 02:45 PM | Reply

eberly- He's picked a really strange 'problem' to try and fix IMHO.

#54 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-28 02:54 PM | Reply

"People should should be taught that it's not a legitimate swastika."

But it is a legitimate swastika.

Or you wouldn't have said "It's a very specific symbol which happens to contain a swastika."

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 02:55 PM | Reply

Eberly- also he called me a white supremacist and has called others members of namb la for no reason. He's a jerk with a weird swastika fetish so people pile on.

#56 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-28 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#57 Post stuff about how swastikas are okay and find out, Eberly.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 03:01 PM | Reply

"I have black children you retarded ----."

That doesn't matter. Lots of fascists have black children.

It doesn't mean they're not racist.

#60 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-28 03:13 PM | Reply

gfy madbomber

#61 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2021-07-28 03:15 PM | Reply

Nazi regalia has always been popular in Asia.

I remember walking through Singapore and there were shops that sold National Socialist swag.

They have a different understanding of National Socialism in many parts of Asia. It doesn't have the same level of negative connotation that it tends to have in the west.

#62 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-28 03:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"gfy madbomber"

I'm just saying my white homey...Amy Coney Barrett is living proof that white racists can have black children.

It's probably rooted in white savior complex, which itself is a function of white supremacy.

Ask a woke person...they'll tell you.

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-28 03:18 PM | Reply

"That's like saying the flag of Israel happens to contain a Star of David."

Funny you should mention that. Since many critics of Israel compare them to Nazis, it would make about as much sense as what you're advocating for them associate all Star of David symbols with the actions of Israel. Or maybe you also think the Star of David is a symbol of hate?

"You literally just called it a swastika."

No, I literally called it a hakenkreuz, a German word which translates to English as "hooked cross".

#65 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 03:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"No, I literally called it a hakenkreuz"

It's a very specific symbol which happens to contain a swastika.
#47 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 03:25 PM | Reply

"it would make about as much sense as what you're advocating for them associate all Star of David symbols with the actions of Israel."

Only since 1948.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 03:27 PM | Reply

"Are you trying to make Nazism okay with this argument?"

Absolutely not. As I said before, an actual Nazi (or anyone with sympathies towards them) would want the swastika to be universally recognized as a Nazi symbol. I am the exact opposite of that.

#68 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 03:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It doesn't have the same level of negative connotation that it tends to have in the west."

Some view it positively.

Germans sometimes get found out as Germans in SE Asia and praised for their association with Nazism.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 03:32 PM | Reply

The Swastika and it's twin the sauwastika have been around for a while.

But...people are inherently stupid. The producers of Tokyo Revenge may have wanted to avoid isolating their less intelligent fans and viewers.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2021-07-28 03:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I am the exact opposite of that.
#68 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Right.

You want the swastika to be erased from the history of Nazism.

You want people to see a Swastika and not think the person flying it could possibly be a Nazi.

Which provides operating cover and plausible deniability for actual Nazis.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 03:35 PM | Reply

>"it would make about as much sense as what you're advocating for them
>to associate all Star of David symbols with the actions of Israel."
"Only since 1948."

Wow. So you do think the Star of David is a symbol of hate.

#72 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 03:42 PM | Reply

"You want people to see a Swastika and not think the person flying it could possibly be a Nazi."

That doesn't follow. Troll harder.

#73 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 03:43 PM | Reply

I've always said context matters, and in some contexts it's clear people are misusing the symbol to be a hateful dick.

#74 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 03:44 PM | Reply

"Wow. So you do think the Star of David is a symbol of hate."

I think it's a symbol of Israel. Since 1948.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 03:55 PM | Reply

"I've always said context matters"

And in the context of western civilization since 1933-ish, the swastika is a symbol of Nazism.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 04:04 PM | Reply

clownshack is here...it's likely I get called a racist,

You're still carrying that wound? You poor child.

Twelve/thirteen years ago, when you were defending tea party racists, I called you a racist.

You've been crying since.

Maybe one day you'll heal.

But, conservatives love their grudges. So. Maybe not.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-28 04:09 PM | Reply

By the way. As to the title of your thread.

"Swastika vandalized in --- anime series"

How was the Swastika "vandalized"? The animation company chose to remove it for American viewers because they are smart enough to realize the connotation the Swastika has in western culture.

Also "---" is pretty fkkking racist and offense to ---anese people.

The actual headline is "Buddhist Swastika Removed From Anime Tokyo Revengers" which could have been turned into "Buddhist Swastika Removed From Anime".

You're an idiot.

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-28 04:24 PM | Reply

I doubt we go 12 days without you doing it again.
#79 | POSTED BY EBERLY

We?

You got a gerbil in your pocket?

#80 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-28 05:02 PM | Reply

I thought you were just happy to see me!

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 05:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Eberly, how did your fact-finding mission that started with post #46 turn out?

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 05:11 PM | Reply

Did you get the answers you were looking for?

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 05:15 PM | Reply

What were they?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 05:47 PM | Reply

Do you think he is trying to make Nazism okay with this argument?

If not, then what do you think he is doing?

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 06:00 PM | Reply

I think you're a moron, sentinel.
And an actual nazi.

#12 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Everyone else agrees.

#90 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-07-28 06:29 PM | Reply

The symbol you just described is not a swastika. It's a very specific symbol which happens to contain a swastika. Yes, in a proudly pig ignorant nation like the U.S. it will probably take years to correct the learned bigotry that many people have against all swastikas. So what? We live in a globalized world now, not an isolated country. Many people recognize this fact and are open to other cultures besides White Western European ones. Why not choose to be one of them?

#47 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

So THIS is the one issue that Sentinel is capable of taking a nuanced view on? We all already knew this but definitely a nazi lover.

#91 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2021-07-28 06:31 PM | Reply

It's a very specific symbol which happens to contain a swastika.

Personally, I don't think I've ever seen a swastika out in the world other than the one the Nazis used on their party flag and the flag of Nazi Germany.

#92 | Posted by REDIAL at 2021-07-28 06:36 PM | Reply

#94 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I thought that was the point of this site? A few blips of a real conversation here and there sure, but most is pretty much trolling.

#95 | Posted by JasonM at 2021-07-28 07:01 PM | Reply

Also "---" is pretty fkkking racist and offense to ---anese people.
#78 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

"___" was censored from my post. But not the title of the thread.

And It was removed from the actual word "Japanese"

But. Not the title of the thread.

Bizarre.

#96 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-28 07:18 PM | Reply

Given that no one before comment #78 even mentioned it, and that people on this site were okay with a neighboring country threating to attack Japan with nuclear weapons and mocked me for saying it was newsworthy, I'm gonna go with nobody else here cares.

#97 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-28 07:34 PM | Reply

Japanese swastikas.

What's next? German Zeros?

#99 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-28 07:48 PM | Reply

I'm gonna go with nobody else here cares.
#97 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Considering you're the one to use the slur.

It's obvious you don't care.

But tell us about you not being a racist.

It gets funnier every time.

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-28 07:59 PM | Reply

Again, based on this thread he certainly is not
#93 | POSTED BY EBERLY

What is he doing, here on this thread?

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 08:13 PM | Reply

What is he doing, here on this thread?

Using racial slurs against the Japanese and making claims of nonexistent vandalism.

#102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-28 08:18 PM | Reply

#82 They're around. And there's really never any doubt about the meaning either.

Some people who don't get out much might be taken aback when they first see it. But, assuming they are capable of being educated, it is then immediately obvious from context what the indented meaning of the symbol is. Here's another example that trips people up sometimes: www.newsweek.com

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 08:26 PM | Reply

I think you're a moron, sentinel.
And an actual nazi.
#12 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE
Everyone else agrees.
#90 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE

Not Eberly!
He's "open minded."

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 08:28 PM | Reply

I'm not sure what Sentinel's vested interest in the topic is, but for those who consider the swastika an important part of their religious symbolism, more education would help:

10) In 2008, at the second Hindu-Jewish Leadership Summit a resolution formally recognized the long positive history of the swastika

It reads, "Swastika is an ancient and greatly auspicious symbol of the Hindu tradition. It is inscribed on Hindu temples, ritual altars, entrances, and even account books. A distorted version of this sacred symbol was misappropriated by the Third Reich in Germany, and abused as an emblem under which heinous crimes were perpetrated against humanity, particularly the Jewish people. The participants recognize that this symbol is, and has been sacred to Hindus for millennia, long before its misappropriation."

www.hinduamerican.org

#105 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-28 08:36 PM | Reply

#98 | POSTED BY EBERLY

good point.

#106 | Posted by JasonM at 2021-07-28 08:48 PM | Reply

"Is he a symbologist or something like that?
Like Robert Langdon in The Davinci Code?"

Now there's an angle I never considered!

#108 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-28 09:14 PM | Reply

I wouldn't bet on it either. In fact I'd lay 100:1 odds against. Just read #2 and #5 and it's immediately obvious what's going on here.

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 09:45 PM | Reply

Oh, don't worry. I wouldn't bet on it either. There's a reason that's an angle I never considered.

#111 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2021-07-28 09:55 PM | Reply

I was trying to get action from Eberly, as he seems to be the only educated participant in this discussion who just can't seem to make heads or tails of it.

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 10:04 PM | Reply

This place is very cliquish, isn't it? New comers with common sense are not welcome. It's either blindly follow the party line and abandon common sense, or you are not welcome.

Right?

#113 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-28 10:05 PM | Reply

" blindly follow the party line and abandon common sense, or you are not welcome."

How have you been forced to abandon comment sense? Please be specific.

#114 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-28 10:09 PM | Reply

He was forced to abandon the thread. Does that count?

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-28 11:02 PM | Reply

JAKESTER

"This place is very cliquish, isn't it?"

Or maybe you're just a tad too judgmental. Ever think of that?

You're not exactly a "newcomer." You've been around for almost a year. That's long enough to figure out the pattern. The onus is on you, not us.

#116 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 12:14 AM | Reply

"Or maybe you're just a tad too judgmental. Ever think of that?"

Yes, I did. I still come to the same conclusion. I see the oldtimers eschew common sense in defense of other old timers. I guess it could be everyone here is lacking in common sense, but I do not feel that is the case.

Danni and Americanunity spew a lot of unsubstantiated nonsense. When I call them out on it, other oldtimers swoop in to defend their nonsense? Why if not for cliquish reasons?

#117 | Posted by jakester at 2021-07-29 12:21 AM | Reply

Jake is slowly turning into Gracie.

Metamorphisis.

#118 | Posted by bruceaz at 2021-07-29 12:25 AM | Reply

"Why if not for cliquish reasons?"

You may have missed a salient point, or brought in other topics to a narrow discussion.

Frankly, I find AU to be one of the best-sourced posters on the DR.

#119 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 12:26 AM | Reply

JAKESTER

"Danni and Americanunity "

See what I mean? You picked on the wrong two people. They have a right to their opinions, too. You can disagree all you like but keep in mind that you're not the arbiter of right and wrong around here. You need to put that know-it-all act of superiority out of your head.

#120 | Posted by Twinpac at 2021-07-29 12:36 AM | Reply

"Just read #2 and #5 and it's immediately obvious what's going on here."

Go on, finish the the thought, instead of letting the vague insinuation lie there.

You and other trolls on this site have falsely accused me of having racist motives for trying to educate people about the true meaning of the swastika. Even after I told you that I spent years living in East Asia, and I absorbed that culture as a part of my own.

I've made it clear I'm not going to back down from this type of bullying from anonymous cyberturds. It's become clear from my discussions with you and others here that you're hell bent on trying to preserve a status quo of Western culture "since 1933ish" and either don't care or are okay with the fact you're pushing toward the same aim as white supremacists.

I'm guessing you're just trolling for sport or because you're addicted to the habit, but the effect is still the same. You're willing to screw over more than a billion Asians and other minority cultures around the world.

It should also be obvious my comment #2 that the thread title was intended to be sarcastic.

#121 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 03:29 AM | Reply

SENTINEL

I know what you're saying about historical origins, but consider this:

- The Christian cross was originally a pagan symbol that didn't connote Christianity until the time of Constantine.

- Just as no one sees a Christian cross and says, "hey, that's a pagan symbol," no one looks at a NAZI swastika after the NAZIs altered the similar Hindu symbol and thinks "Oh, ya, that has Hindu origins."

In historical context, the swastika will forever be linked with the NAZIs in western culture.

#122 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-29 03:37 AM | Reply

"denote" rather than "connote" ...

#123 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-29 03:38 AM | Reply

"Just as no one sees a Christian cross and says, "hey, that's a pagan symbol," no one looks at a NAZI swastika after the NAZIs altered the similar Hindu symbol and thinks "Oh, ya, that has Hindu origins."

You're wrong about this. There are about 1.2 billion Hindus, 535 million Buddhists and six million Jains in the world today. Do you believe there have ever been as many or more Nazis in the world than that? Do you think the Third Reich was as powerful and successful as the Roman Empire? That's something you forgot to consider.

#124 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 09:51 AM | Reply

I get what you're saying. But most Americans haven't been out of the U.S. except for maybe Canada and Mexico.

"... the swastika will forever be linked with the NAZIs in western culture."

#125 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-29 10:00 AM | Reply

Do you think the Third Reich was as powerful and successful as the Roman Empire?

#124 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

For Republicans, yes. Obviously so.

#126 | Posted by Zed at 2021-07-29 10:11 AM | Reply

"I get what you're saying. But most Americans haven't been out of the U.S. except for maybe Canada and Mexico.

So what? We live in a globally connected society, with immigrants and tourists coming every year as well as instant communication with peoples all around the world.

"... the swastika will forever be linked with the NAZIs in western culture."

You're saying it's a defining feature of Western culture. I couldn't disagree more. All cultures evolve and change over time. Perhaps your position is that the swastika "should" forever be linked with Nazis in western culture? That's also an untenable position.

Just like we don't tolerate people spouting bigotry towards everyone who associates with Muslim symbols because of 9/11, it's long past time we stop coddling those who promote an irrational hatred toward about 20% of the world population based on what a comparatively miniscule number of people did to/with their symbol.

#127 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 10:42 AM | Reply

" You're saying it's a defining feature of Western culture."

No he's not; he's saying in Western culture, the symbol already has a very distinct meaning.

#128 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 10:56 AM | Reply

" it's long past time we stop coddling those who promote an irrational hatred toward about 20% of the world population"

You're crazy; no one is promoting ANY hatred against Asians for the swastika, irrational or not. And no one hates Asians for what Germany did, except maybe you.

#129 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 11:00 AM | Reply

#129- --------. On the same night I posted this thread, I also posted one about the Instagram filter, where some bitch called on her followers to report a red, left-facing swastika embedded with other indigenous imagery as a "Nazi symbol", even though she was well aware the symbol has multiple meaning and backgrounds. Various news outlets, like The Sun, echoed her bigotry in call it a "Nazi symbol". Calling the cultural symbols of Asian and Indigenous people a "Nazi symbol" is pretty damn hateful.

#130 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 11:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You and other trolls on this site have falsely accused me of having racist motives for trying to educate people about the true meaning of the swastika."

"The true meaning of the swastika"

That's akin to saying the USSR wasn't true Communism, or the USA isn't real Capitalism.

The swastika has a true meaning because of the Third Reich.

Your attempts to deny this are attempts to make Nazi symbols tolerated in our society.

As I said, the meaning is immediately obvious from context. And here in the West, it almost always means Nazism.

Which is why the Asian culture creators of this cartoon decided to remove it, for their Western audience. They're not idiots.

If you have a problem with it, take it up with them.

You're taken global warming denial and metastasized it into swastika denial. Like a right wing cancer. And then you gaslight us about what a swastika means.

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 11:27 AM | Reply

"Calling the cultural symbols of Asian and Indigenous people a "Nazi symbol" is pretty damn hateful."

There's that gaslighting I'm talking about!

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 11:28 AM | Reply

"It's amazing I haven't been hit with [hateful comments] today."
#57 | POSTED BY EBERLY

""#57 Post stuff about how swastikas are okay and find out, Eberly."
#58 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2021-07-28 03:01 PM

Snoofy's just one of a number of people on this board who think it's okay to hurl hatred against people who would portray swastikas in anything other than a negative light.

#133 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 11:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sentinel only ever portrays swastikas in a positive light.

And that's what makes him a crypto Nazi.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 11:35 AM | Reply

"The swastika has a true meaning because of the Third Reich.
Your attempts to deny this are attempts to make Nazi symbols tolerated in our society."

Nope. I've made it clear that I distinguish between Nazi symbols and swastikas based on context. You've made it clear that you see all swastikas as Nazi symbols, and that you want to purge western culture of all non-Nazi swastikas. The Third Reich is just ashes in the dustbin of history as far as I'm concerned, whereas for you it's an all pervading force that you are willing to surrender 1.75 billion people's symbols to.

#135 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 11:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Sentinel only ever portrays swastikas in a positive light."

I have never portrayed Nazi symbols in a positive light.

#136 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 11:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You've made it clear that you see all swastikas as Nazi symbols,"

Nobody has done this.

"and that you want to purge western culture of all non-Nazi swastikas."

Nobody has done this either.

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 11:46 AM | Reply

I have never portrayed Nazi symbols in a positive light.
#136 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You exist to portray swastikas in a positive light.

You know what the swastika symbolizes in out culture.

You lie.

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 11:47 AM | Reply

"I distinguish between Nazi symbols and swastikas"

Most people in Western culture wouldn't point to that as a source of pride.

#139 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 11:50 AM | Reply

" You've made it clear that you see all swastikas as Nazi symbols, and that you want to purge western culture of all non-Nazi swastikas."

No, it's been made clear the meaning is unmistakable in Western culture. No one is bitching about Asians having anything that resembles that figure.

And I don't want to purge western culture of it: I think you should be very proud to go out and wave your swastikas. Don't let anybody stop you!

#140 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 11:53 AM | Reply

"I distinguish between Nazi symbols and swastikas"

No you don't.

During your time here, you have never once identified a Nazi swastika.

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 11:54 AM | Reply

"I've made it clear that I distinguish between Nazi symbols and swastikas based on context."

What does a swastika mean in the context of Western civilization since the Third Reich?

Make it clear for us.

#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 11:59 AM | Reply

SENTINEL

The fact remains that 99% of westerners wouldn't recognize the difference between a Hindu or NAZI swastika. Hitler & Co fu***d that all up for you.

#143 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2021-07-29 12:15 PM | Reply

Hitler culturally appropriated the swastika, perverting it's true original meaning.

I'm with sentinel here. Little as I back most of his bs in other contexts.

The swastika has a thousands of years old history as a positive symbol of peace and energy.

The Nazi party appropriated it for a few horrible years and now it is trash?

I think not. Context matters.

#144 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-07-29 12:55 PM | Reply

#144 Then take Danforth's advice and proudly wear your swastikas in public. But you're -----------, so you won't. And then you'll cry about how you're too weak to stand up for your beliefs.

"The Nazi party appropriated it for a few horrible years"

Except it's still being used as a symbol of white supremacy. The horrible years scontinue through today.

It will be a great day when people stop using the swastika to promote Nazism. But that won't happen until people stop promoting Nazism. And that will likely never happen in our lifetimes.

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 01:10 PM | Reply

"The swastika has a thousands of years old history as a positive symbol of peace and energy."

Why stop there?

Make a Bellamy salute, and march in goose-step, while you and Sentinel parade around with your swastikas.

Everyone will understand what your meaning is, I promise you.

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 01:17 PM | Reply

"Except it's still being used as a symbol of white supremacy."

Bingo. We have a winner.

#148 | Posted by Danforth at 2021-07-29 01:53 PM | Reply

We still have this "---" thread going?

About the nonexistent vandalism.

And the glory of the Swastika.

Sentinel still trolling everyone to participate?

Brilliant.

#149 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-29 01:54 PM | Reply

"Sentinel only ever portrays swastikas in a positive light."

I have never portrayed Nazi symbols in a positive light.
#136 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Right here. Sentinel identifies the Swastika as a Nazi symbol.

Stop letting this wannabe Nazi troll you.

#150 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-29 01:57 PM | Reply

The symbol you just described is not a swastika.
#47 | POSTED BY SENTINEL
People should should be taught that it's not a legitimate swastika.
#48 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Like I said in another thread, certain people here either can't read and infer things from context, or they're just trolling. Clownshack and Snoofy are obviously trolling.

#151 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 02:53 PM | Reply

Is perception reality? If I see a ghost is it real? If I refuse to sell ice cream to -------- am I denying their "right to exist"?

You guys are full of ----. Totally predictable.

#152 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2021-07-29 03:05 PM | Reply

Like I said in another thread,

Who gives a shht?

Someone mentioned Swastika and you immediately associated with the Nazis.

You're a fkkking dumb ass troll.

Why won't you answer my question, "what was vandalized? Why did you add "---" to the headline?"

You fkkking racist troll.

#154 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-29 03:59 PM | Reply

*yawn*

Fuente is so dumb he probably doesn't even realize he's the reason this thread even exists.

Or maybe he does and that's why he's so pissed off acting like a ---------.

#155 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 04:19 PM | Reply

The symbol you just described is not a swastika.

"Ceci n'est pas une pipe"

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 04:23 PM | Reply

Still can't answer these two questions?

You wrote the headline. Seems you should be able to.

1) What was "vandalized?"

The production company removed the Swastika for western audiences knowing the connotation the Swastika has for Europeans and Americans.

2) Why did you add "---" to the headline?

You added "---"

"---, an offensive slur for a ---anese person."

You're clearly a wannabe Nazi, a racist and a troll.

#157 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-29 04:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Still can't answer these two questions?"

I already answered the second question in #121. I'm keeping an idiot in suspense with the first

#158 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 04:34 PM | Reply

"---, an offensive slur for a ---anese person."

Looks like someone's messing with you, Bro.

#159 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 04:41 PM | Reply

"Ceci n'est pas une pipe"

It actually wasn't.

#160 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 04:50 PM | Reply

The Nazi symbol is actually a swastika.

#161 | Posted by snoofy at 2021-07-29 04:51 PM | Reply

I do not recognize it as such. Nor do many millions of people on this planet.

#162 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 05:02 PM | Reply

Looks like someone's messing with you, Bro.
#159 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Seems you're not the only one who hates Japanese people on the DR.

#163 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-29 05:05 PM | Reply

I do not recognize it as such.

That's what makes you a good Trumper.

You ability to ignore facts and live in your own alternative reality.

#164 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-29 05:06 PM | Reply

I obviously do not hate Japanese people. The people who justify bigotry against innocuous and historical parts of their culture to give ownership of it to white supremacists in the west do.

#165 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 05:15 PM | Reply

"That's what makes you a good Trumper."

Lame. Troll harder, Reza.

#166 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 05:16 PM | Reply

I obviously do not hate Japanese people.

Is that why you refer to them as ----?

#167 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-29 05:33 PM | Reply

Reza.
#166 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Doubling down on racism.

Bravo.

#168 | Posted by ClownShack at 2021-07-29 05:34 PM | Reply

Nope. You're a failure as a troll.

As I said, this thread came into existence because of you. Own it.

#169 | Posted by sentinel at 2021-07-29 08:23 PM | Reply

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